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Steve from Colorado
Nov 25, 2012, 8:53:10 PM11/25/12
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I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
More power to them.
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_7173317e-35b6-11e2-8b1c-0019bb2963f4.html
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:30 pm | Updated: 4:15 pm, Fri Nov
23, 2012.
By MELISSA WALTHER/Daily Inter Lake | 1 comment
When it comes to high-end weapons, there's a new company in town that's
changing the way people think about rifles.
Founded in 2010, Proof Research of Kalispell specializes in creating
lightweight, accurate weapons using carbon-fiber barrels and stocks
unlike anything else on the market.
“Large gun manufacturers know we have the technology and we're being
courted by some big names,” said Pat Rainey, chief executive officer of
Proof Research. “We've changed the gun industry, just like the polymer
pistol did. The cool factor of our weapons is off the page.”
Joining forces in the Flathead
While Proof Research may only be two years old, it is made up of four
companies that have years of rifle-making experience, according to
Rainey. Proof is actually a merger of Lone Wolf Riflestocks of
Kalispell, Jense Fabrication of Missoula, ABS out of Lincoln, Neb., and
Lawrence Rifle Barrels of Lewistown.
“Lots of people have tried to do this for many years,” Rainey said. “The
idea of a carbon-fiber barrel has been around for 20 years. We're just
the first to crack the code.”
Although only one of the core companies was from the Kalispell area,
lead investor Mike Goguen said it made sense to locate Proof in the
Flathead Valley.
“The Montana work ethic and quality is outstanding,” Goguen said. “When
you look at firearms, so many of the parts in the best ones, the ones I
really admire, come from Montana, from small, mom-and-pop places that
maybe don't have the capital to go big. So it made sense to take
advantage of that. There are a lot of really amazing craftsmen here, and
we have the opportunity to bring them together.”
Goguen said he became involved in Proof while looking for a lightweight
hunting rifle, and got more than he bargained for when his custom rifle
was finished.
“I love Montana, I love hunting and guns, and I love technology and
small businesses, and this checked all the boxes,” he said. “I was
skeptical at first, but they built me a gun, and I fell in love with it
and just had to be a part of what they were building.”
In addition to folding several manufacturers under the Proof umbrella,
Goguen said the company still contracts out certain parts, such as
trigger assembly and receivers, to local companies such as Defiance Machine.
“The Flathead is a very unique community that is very firearm-friendly
and -centric to core groups of clients we're looking for,” Rainey said.
“It just made sense to locate here.”
A growing business
With the four founding companies coming together to form Proof, the
company needed a home in the Flathead. A new, state-of-the-art
manufacturing, research and design facility was built on U.S. 2 between
Kalispell and Columbia Falls. The grand opening was held Nov. 16.
Although the company had been producing weapons and courting larger
contracts for the two years since its founding, Rainey said the owners
and investors were very careful about making sure the business was
strong before opening its doors to the public.
“We wanted to build a strong foundation first,” Rainey said. “We wanted
to have everything in place, so when we opened, we could have that
strong start we wanted. We're in it for the long haul, and we don't have
to race to target our market. The market is coming to us, so we could
take the time to do it right, right from the beginning.”
Currently Proof employs 29 employees, and Rainey said the company still
is hiring. Goguen said there is great potential for job growth.
“One of the things we're doing is partnering with Flathead Valley
Community College to get some of those trade skills we need, like CNC
[computer numerical control] machinists,” Rainey said. “We've got ads in
the paper now, and we are getting people from all over.”
“It's a slow, measured growth that we're aiming for; we've got a tight
budget and we have faced challenges every single day, but we're
overcoming them,” Rainey said.
Game-changing technology
The barrels Proof manufactures are not completely made of carbon fiber,
rather they are traditional steel cores, machined down and wrapped with
carbon fibers. According to Rainey, this results in a lighter-weight,
more effective barrel of the same or similar overall dimensions and
strength as more traditional all-steel barrels.
Although the technology for carbon-fiber barrels may have been around
for the last 20 years, the big problem to overcome was failure due to heat.
In a typical rifle, the heat of extended firing will cause the barrel to
warp slightly, and this can lead to a “fairly large” dispersion pattern.
This means that what started out as shots in a dime-sized grouping on a
target can expand to shots that could completely miss the point of aim.
In some weapons, like the fully automatic M249 squad automatic weapon
used by the military, the heat is so detrimental that multiple barrels
are carried to prevent jams and increase accuracy.
When carbon-fiber barrels first came on the scene, the heat dispersion
was not much better than that of a standard steel barrel, and it wasn't
until recently that the problem was solved by Advanced Barrel Systems.
“Heat causes failure, and failure causes death, and we want to prevent
that,” Goguen said.
Many of the weapons Proof produces are for military and peacekeeping
operations where accuracy matters most.
The other big benefit to carbon-fiber barrels and stocks is a
significant weight reduction.
“One of the sweet spots for us is to lighten the soldier's load,” Rainey
said. “You can only take so much weight off a gun, and the best place to
do that is the barrel and stock. Our barrels are lightweight and
extremely accurate, and the soldier has a heavy gun to carry, so if we
can take some of that weight, it makes a huge difference. We make the
weapon a lot easier to handle.”
Rainey said that weight reduction can be very significant, whether it is
for a soldier in the field or a hunter out for the weekend.
“We can take a 19-pound barrel off of a .50-caliber sniper rifle and we
can make it 2.2 pounds, so the heaviest thing on the gun is the glass
from the sight,” Rainey said. “That's a huge weight savings, and in the
past you'd have guys jump in and have to leave the barrel behind because
it was just too heavy to get out easily. Now it's no big deal to pack it
out, too.”
No job too big or too small
While much of Proof's focus is on filling larger contracts, Rainey said
the company also makes high-end custom hunting rifles.
“We do steel and carbon barrels for high-volume manufacturing, and we
supply barrels to some special forces and long-range weapon systems, but
we also do an exclusive line of high-tech hunting weapons from 7 mm to
.338. We can completely customize a weapon in about six to seven
months,” Rainey said.
He noted that although custom hunting rifles are only a small part of
Proof’s business, there will always be a market for “very nice,
extremely accurate, lightweight weapons.”
“All of us at Proof like to hunt and we all own very nice guns,” Rainey
said. “Proof was born out of making high-tech hunting rifles, and we'll
always have that line of weapons,”
Despite starting as a custom firearms manufacturer, Rainey said Proof is
capable of filling much larger orders.
“We're geared for mass production, and we can scale up or down as
needed,” Rainey said. “We looked at what the government needed as far as
production numbers go, and we built to suit that.”
Part of the manufacturing process includes quality control, and
according to Rainey, each barrel is inspected inside and out to ensure
there are no flaws. The facility also has a three-target, 30-yard indoor
firing range for testing.
“We didn't choose the name Proof by accident,” Rainey said. “We invested
a lot of money into testing and research facilities, and we can prove
every claim we make.”
For more information go online to http://proofresearch.com.
guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
More power to them.
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_7173317e-35b6-11e2-8b1c-0019bb2963f4.html
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:30 pm | Updated: 4:15 pm, Fri Nov
23, 2012.
By MELISSA WALTHER/Daily Inter Lake | 1 comment
When it comes to high-end weapons, there's a new company in town that's
changing the way people think about rifles.
Founded in 2010, Proof Research of Kalispell specializes in creating
lightweight, accurate weapons using carbon-fiber barrels and stocks
unlike anything else on the market.
“Large gun manufacturers know we have the technology and we're being
courted by some big names,” said Pat Rainey, chief executive officer of
Proof Research. “We've changed the gun industry, just like the polymer
pistol did. The cool factor of our weapons is off the page.”
Joining forces in the Flathead
While Proof Research may only be two years old, it is made up of four
companies that have years of rifle-making experience, according to
Rainey. Proof is actually a merger of Lone Wolf Riflestocks of
Kalispell, Jense Fabrication of Missoula, ABS out of Lincoln, Neb., and
Lawrence Rifle Barrels of Lewistown.
“Lots of people have tried to do this for many years,” Rainey said. “The
idea of a carbon-fiber barrel has been around for 20 years. We're just
the first to crack the code.”
Although only one of the core companies was from the Kalispell area,
lead investor Mike Goguen said it made sense to locate Proof in the
Flathead Valley.
“The Montana work ethic and quality is outstanding,” Goguen said. “When
you look at firearms, so many of the parts in the best ones, the ones I
really admire, come from Montana, from small, mom-and-pop places that
maybe don't have the capital to go big. So it made sense to take
advantage of that. There are a lot of really amazing craftsmen here, and
we have the opportunity to bring them together.”
Goguen said he became involved in Proof while looking for a lightweight
hunting rifle, and got more than he bargained for when his custom rifle
was finished.
“I love Montana, I love hunting and guns, and I love technology and
small businesses, and this checked all the boxes,” he said. “I was
skeptical at first, but they built me a gun, and I fell in love with it
and just had to be a part of what they were building.”
In addition to folding several manufacturers under the Proof umbrella,
Goguen said the company still contracts out certain parts, such as
trigger assembly and receivers, to local companies such as Defiance Machine.
“The Flathead is a very unique community that is very firearm-friendly
and -centric to core groups of clients we're looking for,” Rainey said.
“It just made sense to locate here.”
A growing business
With the four founding companies coming together to form Proof, the
company needed a home in the Flathead. A new, state-of-the-art
manufacturing, research and design facility was built on U.S. 2 between
Kalispell and Columbia Falls. The grand opening was held Nov. 16.
Although the company had been producing weapons and courting larger
contracts for the two years since its founding, Rainey said the owners
and investors were very careful about making sure the business was
strong before opening its doors to the public.
“We wanted to build a strong foundation first,” Rainey said. “We wanted
to have everything in place, so when we opened, we could have that
strong start we wanted. We're in it for the long haul, and we don't have
to race to target our market. The market is coming to us, so we could
take the time to do it right, right from the beginning.”
Currently Proof employs 29 employees, and Rainey said the company still
is hiring. Goguen said there is great potential for job growth.
“One of the things we're doing is partnering with Flathead Valley
Community College to get some of those trade skills we need, like CNC
[computer numerical control] machinists,” Rainey said. “We've got ads in
the paper now, and we are getting people from all over.”
“It's a slow, measured growth that we're aiming for; we've got a tight
budget and we have faced challenges every single day, but we're
overcoming them,” Rainey said.
Game-changing technology
The barrels Proof manufactures are not completely made of carbon fiber,
rather they are traditional steel cores, machined down and wrapped with
carbon fibers. According to Rainey, this results in a lighter-weight,
more effective barrel of the same or similar overall dimensions and
strength as more traditional all-steel barrels.
Although the technology for carbon-fiber barrels may have been around
for the last 20 years, the big problem to overcome was failure due to heat.
In a typical rifle, the heat of extended firing will cause the barrel to
warp slightly, and this can lead to a “fairly large” dispersion pattern.
This means that what started out as shots in a dime-sized grouping on a
target can expand to shots that could completely miss the point of aim.
In some weapons, like the fully automatic M249 squad automatic weapon
used by the military, the heat is so detrimental that multiple barrels
are carried to prevent jams and increase accuracy.
When carbon-fiber barrels first came on the scene, the heat dispersion
was not much better than that of a standard steel barrel, and it wasn't
until recently that the problem was solved by Advanced Barrel Systems.
“Heat causes failure, and failure causes death, and we want to prevent
that,” Goguen said.
Many of the weapons Proof produces are for military and peacekeeping
operations where accuracy matters most.
The other big benefit to carbon-fiber barrels and stocks is a
significant weight reduction.
“One of the sweet spots for us is to lighten the soldier's load,” Rainey
said. “You can only take so much weight off a gun, and the best place to
do that is the barrel and stock. Our barrels are lightweight and
extremely accurate, and the soldier has a heavy gun to carry, so if we
can take some of that weight, it makes a huge difference. We make the
weapon a lot easier to handle.”
Rainey said that weight reduction can be very significant, whether it is
for a soldier in the field or a hunter out for the weekend.
“We can take a 19-pound barrel off of a .50-caliber sniper rifle and we
can make it 2.2 pounds, so the heaviest thing on the gun is the glass
from the sight,” Rainey said. “That's a huge weight savings, and in the
past you'd have guys jump in and have to leave the barrel behind because
it was just too heavy to get out easily. Now it's no big deal to pack it
out, too.”
No job too big or too small
While much of Proof's focus is on filling larger contracts, Rainey said
the company also makes high-end custom hunting rifles.
“We do steel and carbon barrels for high-volume manufacturing, and we
supply barrels to some special forces and long-range weapon systems, but
we also do an exclusive line of high-tech hunting weapons from 7 mm to
.338. We can completely customize a weapon in about six to seven
months,” Rainey said.
He noted that although custom hunting rifles are only a small part of
Proof’s business, there will always be a market for “very nice,
extremely accurate, lightweight weapons.”
“All of us at Proof like to hunt and we all own very nice guns,” Rainey
said. “Proof was born out of making high-tech hunting rifles, and we'll
always have that line of weapons,”
Despite starting as a custom firearms manufacturer, Rainey said Proof is
capable of filling much larger orders.
“We're geared for mass production, and we can scale up or down as
needed,” Rainey said. “We looked at what the government needed as far as
production numbers go, and we built to suit that.”
Part of the manufacturing process includes quality control, and
according to Rainey, each barrel is inspected inside and out to ensure
there are no flaws. The facility also has a three-target, 30-yard indoor
firing range for testing.
“We didn't choose the name Proof by accident,” Rainey said. “We invested
a lot of money into testing and research facilities, and we can prove
every claim we make.”
For more information go online to http://proofresearch.com.
rbowman
Nov 25, 2012, 9:53:59 PM11/25/12
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Steve from Colorado wrote:
> I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
> guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
> other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
> these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
> More power to them.
Yup, what happens in Montana stays in Montana. The author of the FFA really
> I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
> guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
> other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
> these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
> More power to them.
is trolling for a 10th Amendment Supreme Court case more than a 2nd
Amendment, but any case will do.
Gunner
Nov 26, 2012, 2:57:59 AM11/26/12
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Gunner, who has a fiberglass barrel shotgun. Winchester Mod 59
But would love a nice light mountain rifle in say..7-08 or even 243
Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Steve from Colorado
Nov 26, 2012, 10:42:37 AM11/26/12
to
On 11/26/2012 12:57 AM, Gunner wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:53:10 -0700, Steve from Colorado
> <steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
>> guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
>> other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
>> these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
>> More power to them.
>>
>> http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_7173317e-35b6-11e2-8b1c-0019bb2963f4.html
>>
>> Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:30 pm | Updated: 4:15 pm, Fri Nov
>> 23, 2012.
>>
>> By MELISSA WALTHER/Daily Inter Lake | 1 comment
>>
>>
>>
>> When it comes to high-end weapons, there's a new company in town that's
>> changing the way people think about rifles.
>>
>> Founded in 2010, Proof Research of Kalispell specializes in creating
>> lightweight, accurate weapons using carbon-fiber barrels and stocks
>> unlike anything else on the market.
>>
>> �Large gun manufacturers know we have the technology and we're being
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:53:10 -0700, Steve from Colorado
> <steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
>> guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
>> other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
>> these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
>> More power to them.
>>
>> http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_7173317e-35b6-11e2-8b1c-0019bb2963f4.html
>>
>> Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:30 pm | Updated: 4:15 pm, Fri Nov
>> 23, 2012.
>>
>> By MELISSA WALTHER/Daily Inter Lake | 1 comment
>>
>>
>>
>> When it comes to high-end weapons, there's a new company in town that's
>> changing the way people think about rifles.
>>
>> Founded in 2010, Proof Research of Kalispell specializes in creating
>> lightweight, accurate weapons using carbon-fiber barrels and stocks
>> unlike anything else on the market.
>>
>> courted by some big names,� said Pat Rainey, chief executive officer of
>> Proof Research. �We've changed the gun industry, just like the polymer
>> pistol did. The cool factor of our weapons is off the page.�
>>
>> Joining forces in the Flathead
>>
>> While Proof Research may only be two years old, it is made up of four
>> companies that have years of rifle-making experience, according to
>> Rainey. Proof is actually a merger of Lone Wolf Riflestocks of
>> Kalispell, Jense Fabrication of Missoula, ABS out of Lincoln, Neb., and
>> Lawrence Rifle Barrels of Lewistown.
>>
>> �Lots of people have tried to do this for many years,� Rainey said. �The
>> Joining forces in the Flathead
>>
>> While Proof Research may only be two years old, it is made up of four
>> companies that have years of rifle-making experience, according to
>> Rainey. Proof is actually a merger of Lone Wolf Riflestocks of
>> Kalispell, Jense Fabrication of Missoula, ABS out of Lincoln, Neb., and
>> Lawrence Rifle Barrels of Lewistown.
>>
>> idea of a carbon-fiber barrel has been around for 20 years. We're just
>> the first to crack the code.�
>>
>> Although only one of the core companies was from the Kalispell area,
>> lead investor Mike Goguen said it made sense to locate Proof in the
>> Flathead Valley.
>>
>> �The Montana work ethic and quality is outstanding,� Goguen said. �When
>> Although only one of the core companies was from the Kalispell area,
>> lead investor Mike Goguen said it made sense to locate Proof in the
>> Flathead Valley.
>>
>> you look at firearms, so many of the parts in the best ones, the ones I
>> really admire, come from Montana, from small, mom-and-pop places that
>> maybe don't have the capital to go big. So it made sense to take
>> advantage of that. There are a lot of really amazing craftsmen here, and
>> we have the opportunity to bring them together.�
>> really admire, come from Montana, from small, mom-and-pop places that
>> maybe don't have the capital to go big. So it made sense to take
>> advantage of that. There are a lot of really amazing craftsmen here, and
>>
>> Goguen said he became involved in Proof while looking for a lightweight
>> hunting rifle, and got more than he bargained for when his custom rifle
>> was finished.
>>
>> �I love Montana, I love hunting and guns, and I love technology and
>> Goguen said he became involved in Proof while looking for a lightweight
>> hunting rifle, and got more than he bargained for when his custom rifle
>> was finished.
>>
>> small businesses, and this checked all the boxes,� he said. �I was
>> skeptical at first, but they built me a gun, and I fell in love with it
>> and just had to be a part of what they were building.�
>>
>> In addition to folding several manufacturers under the Proof umbrella,
>> Goguen said the company still contracts out certain parts, such as
>> trigger assembly and receivers, to local companies such as Defiance Machine.
>>
>> �The Flathead is a very unique community that is very firearm-friendly
>> In addition to folding several manufacturers under the Proof umbrella,
>> Goguen said the company still contracts out certain parts, such as
>> trigger assembly and receivers, to local companies such as Defiance Machine.
>>
>> and -centric to core groups of clients we're looking for,� Rainey said.
>> �It just made sense to locate here.�
>>
>>
>>
>> A growing business
>>
>> With the four founding companies coming together to form Proof, the
>> company needed a home in the Flathead. A new, state-of-the-art
>> manufacturing, research and design facility was built on U.S. 2 between
>> Kalispell and Columbia Falls. The grand opening was held Nov. 16.
>>
>> Although the company had been producing weapons and courting larger
>> contracts for the two years since its founding, Rainey said the owners
>> and investors were very careful about making sure the business was
>> strong before opening its doors to the public.
>>
>> �We wanted to build a strong foundation first,� Rainey said. �We wanted
>>
>>
>> A growing business
>>
>> With the four founding companies coming together to form Proof, the
>> company needed a home in the Flathead. A new, state-of-the-art
>> manufacturing, research and design facility was built on U.S. 2 between
>> Kalispell and Columbia Falls. The grand opening was held Nov. 16.
>>
>> Although the company had been producing weapons and courting larger
>> contracts for the two years since its founding, Rainey said the owners
>> and investors were very careful about making sure the business was
>> strong before opening its doors to the public.
>>
>> to have everything in place, so when we opened, we could have that
>> strong start we wanted. We're in it for the long haul, and we don't have
>> to race to target our market. The market is coming to us, so we could
>> take the time to do it right, right from the beginning.�
>> strong start we wanted. We're in it for the long haul, and we don't have
>> to race to target our market. The market is coming to us, so we could
>>
>> Currently Proof employs 29 employees, and Rainey said the company still
>> is hiring. Goguen said there is great potential for job growth.
>>
>> �One of the things we're doing is partnering with Flathead Valley
>> Currently Proof employs 29 employees, and Rainey said the company still
>> is hiring. Goguen said there is great potential for job growth.
>>
>> Community College to get some of those trade skills we need, like CNC
>> [computer numerical control] machinists,� Rainey said. �We've got ads in
>> the paper now, and we are getting people from all over.�
>>
>> �It's a slow, measured growth that we're aiming for; we've got a tight
>> budget and we have faced challenges every single day, but we're
>> overcoming them,� Rainey said.
>>
>>
>>
>> Game-changing technology
>>
>> The barrels Proof manufactures are not completely made of carbon fiber,
>> rather they are traditional steel cores, machined down and wrapped with
>> carbon fibers. According to Rainey, this results in a lighter-weight,
>> more effective barrel of the same or similar overall dimensions and
>> strength as more traditional all-steel barrels.
>>
>> Although the technology for carbon-fiber barrels may have been around
>> for the last 20 years, the big problem to overcome was failure due to heat.
>>
>> In a typical rifle, the heat of extended firing will cause the barrel to
>> warp slightly, and this can lead to a �fairly large� dispersion pattern.
>>
>>
>> Game-changing technology
>>
>> The barrels Proof manufactures are not completely made of carbon fiber,
>> rather they are traditional steel cores, machined down and wrapped with
>> carbon fibers. According to Rainey, this results in a lighter-weight,
>> more effective barrel of the same or similar overall dimensions and
>> strength as more traditional all-steel barrels.
>>
>> Although the technology for carbon-fiber barrels may have been around
>> for the last 20 years, the big problem to overcome was failure due to heat.
>>
>> In a typical rifle, the heat of extended firing will cause the barrel to
>> This means that what started out as shots in a dime-sized grouping on a
>> target can expand to shots that could completely miss the point of aim.
>> In some weapons, like the fully automatic M249 squad automatic weapon
>> used by the military, the heat is so detrimental that multiple barrels
>> are carried to prevent jams and increase accuracy.
>>
>> When carbon-fiber barrels first came on the scene, the heat dispersion
>> was not much better than that of a standard steel barrel, and it wasn't
>> until recently that the problem was solved by Advanced Barrel Systems.
>>
>> �Heat causes failure, and failure causes death, and we want to prevent
>> target can expand to shots that could completely miss the point of aim.
>> In some weapons, like the fully automatic M249 squad automatic weapon
>> used by the military, the heat is so detrimental that multiple barrels
>> are carried to prevent jams and increase accuracy.
>>
>> When carbon-fiber barrels first came on the scene, the heat dispersion
>> was not much better than that of a standard steel barrel, and it wasn't
>> until recently that the problem was solved by Advanced Barrel Systems.
>>
>> that,� Goguen said.
>>
>> Many of the weapons Proof produces are for military and peacekeeping
>> operations where accuracy matters most.
>>
>> The other big benefit to carbon-fiber barrels and stocks is a
>> significant weight reduction.
>>
>> �One of the sweet spots for us is to lighten the soldier's load,� Rainey
>> Many of the weapons Proof produces are for military and peacekeeping
>> operations where accuracy matters most.
>>
>> The other big benefit to carbon-fiber barrels and stocks is a
>> significant weight reduction.
>>
>> said. �You can only take so much weight off a gun, and the best place to
>> do that is the barrel and stock. Our barrels are lightweight and
>> extremely accurate, and the soldier has a heavy gun to carry, so if we
>> can take some of that weight, it makes a huge difference. We make the
>> weapon a lot easier to handle.�
>> extremely accurate, and the soldier has a heavy gun to carry, so if we
>> can take some of that weight, it makes a huge difference. We make the
>>
>> Rainey said that weight reduction can be very significant, whether it is
>> for a soldier in the field or a hunter out for the weekend.
>>
>> �We can take a 19-pound barrel off of a .50-caliber sniper rifle and we
>> Rainey said that weight reduction can be very significant, whether it is
>> for a soldier in the field or a hunter out for the weekend.
>>
>> can make it 2.2 pounds, so the heaviest thing on the gun is the glass
>>from the sight,� Rainey said. �That's a huge weight savings, and in the
>> past you'd have guys jump in and have to leave the barrel behind because
>> it was just too heavy to get out easily. Now it's no big deal to pack it
>> out, too.�
>> it was just too heavy to get out easily. Now it's no big deal to pack it
>>
>>
>>
>> No job too big or too small
>>
>> While much of Proof's focus is on filling larger contracts, Rainey said
>> the company also makes high-end custom hunting rifles.
>>
>> �We do steel and carbon barrels for high-volume manufacturing, and we
>>
>>
>> No job too big or too small
>>
>> While much of Proof's focus is on filling larger contracts, Rainey said
>> the company also makes high-end custom hunting rifles.
>>
>> supply barrels to some special forces and long-range weapon systems, but
>> we also do an exclusive line of high-tech hunting weapons from 7 mm to
>> .338. We can completely customize a weapon in about six to seven
>> months,� Rainey said.
>> we also do an exclusive line of high-tech hunting weapons from 7 mm to
>> .338. We can completely customize a weapon in about six to seven
>>
>> He noted that although custom hunting rifles are only a small part of
>> Proof�s business, there will always be a market for �very nice,
>> He noted that although custom hunting rifles are only a small part of
>> extremely accurate, lightweight weapons.�
>>
>> �All of us at Proof like to hunt and we all own very nice guns,� Rainey
>> said. �Proof was born out of making high-tech hunting rifles, and we'll
>> always have that line of weapons,�
>>
>> Despite starting as a custom firearms manufacturer, Rainey said Proof is
>> capable of filling much larger orders.
>>
>> �We're geared for mass production, and we can scale up or down as
>> Despite starting as a custom firearms manufacturer, Rainey said Proof is
>> capable of filling much larger orders.
>>
>> needed,� Rainey said. �We looked at what the government needed as far as
>> production numbers go, and we built to suit that.�
>>
>> Part of the manufacturing process includes quality control, and
>> according to Rainey, each barrel is inspected inside and out to ensure
>> there are no flaws. The facility also has a three-target, 30-yard indoor
>> firing range for testing.
>>
>> �We didn't choose the name Proof by accident,� Rainey said. �We invested
>> Part of the manufacturing process includes quality control, and
>> according to Rainey, each barrel is inspected inside and out to ensure
>> there are no flaws. The facility also has a three-target, 30-yard indoor
>> firing range for testing.
>>
>> a lot of money into testing and research facilities, and we can prove
>> every claim we make.�
>>
>> For more information go online to http://proofresearch.com.
>
>
> VERY interesting! Thanks!!
>
> Gunner, who has a fiberglass barrel shotgun. Winchester Mod 59
Fiberglass doesn't seem strong enough for use as a shotgun barrel, IMHO.
>> For more information go online to http://proofresearch.com.
>
>
> VERY interesting! Thanks!!
>
> Gunner, who has a fiberglass barrel shotgun. Winchester Mod 59
It's difficult to smooth and tends to shatter, from my experience. That
said, Winchester is a reputable manufacturer and I'm confident that you
wouldn't own one if it weren't reliable.
Gunner
Nov 26, 2012, 12:22:50 PM11/26/12
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Ralph Mowery
Nov 26, 2012, 12:32:08 PM11/26/12
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"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:42:37 -0700, Steve from Colorado
> <steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote:
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>>> VERY interesting! Thanks!!
>>>
>>> Gunner, who has a fiberglass barrel shotgun. Winchester Mod 59
>>
>>Fiberglass doesn't seem strong enough for use as a shotgun barrel, IMHO.
>>It's difficult to smooth and tends to shatter, from my experience. That
>>said, Winchester is a reputable manufacturer and I'm confident that you
>>wouldn't own one if it weren't reliable.
>
While I do not have one, the writeups that I have read says the barrel has a
> <steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote:
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>>> VERY interesting! Thanks!!
>>>
>>> Gunner, who has a fiberglass barrel shotgun. Winchester Mod 59
>>
>>Fiberglass doesn't seem strong enough for use as a shotgun barrel, IMHO.
>>It's difficult to smooth and tends to shatter, from my experience. That
>>said, Winchester is a reputable manufacturer and I'm confident that you
>>wouldn't own one if it weren't reliable.
>
steel liner and is just covered.
Similar to some rifle barrels that had a seel liner and a carbon fiber wrap.
Gunner
Nov 26, 2012, 1:42:52 PM11/26/12
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thing is a bitch to shoot after handling normal shotguns, because it
feels as if the barrel simply isnt there.
Gunner
Shall not be infringed
Nov 26, 2012, 5:40:16 PM11/26/12
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 26, 2012, 8:59:33 PM11/26/12
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Don't you think that's a bit dangerous?
Teaching youth how to be gun wielding killers?
http://www.snopes.com/military/reinwald.asp
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Teaching youth how to be gun wielding killers?
http://www.snopes.com/military/reinwald.asp
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Steve from Colorado
Nov 26, 2012, 9:58:44 PM11/26/12
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On Monday, November 26, 2012 3:40:17 PM UTC-7, Shall not be infringed wrote:
> On Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:53:13 PM UTC-5, Steve from Colorado wrote:
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> > I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
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> > guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
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> > other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
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> > these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
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> > More power to them.
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> > http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_7173317e-35b6-11e2-8b1c-0019bb2963f4.html
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> > Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:30 pm | Updated: 4:15 pm, Fri Nov
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> > 23, 2012.
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> > By MELISSA WALTHER/Daily Inter Lake | 1 comment
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> On Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:53:13 PM UTC-5, Steve from Colorado wrote:
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> > I seem to recall that Montana's current government claims that ammo and
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> > guns manufacture within the state are not subject to BATFE, DHS, or
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> > other federal regulations which restrict the Second Amendment (because
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> > these locally produced guns and ammo don't cross interstate lines).
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> > More power to them.
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> > http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_7173317e-35b6-11e2-8b1c-0019bb2963f4.html
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> > Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:30 pm | Updated: 4:15 pm, Fri Nov
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> > By MELISSA WALTHER/Daily Inter Lake | 1 comment
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> > For more information go online to http://proofresearch.com.
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> I recall some guy there wanted to build rifles for a youth marksmanship program.
That's kind of like starting a new automobile manufacturing company in order to teach drivers ed to teenagers.
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> I recall some guy there wanted to build rifles for a youth marksmanship program.
Winston_Smith
Nov 26, 2012, 10:40:11 PM11/26/12
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rbowman
Nov 26, 2012, 11:07:32 PM11/26/12
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Steve from Colorado wrote:
>> I recall some guy there wanted to build rifles for a youth marksmanship
>> program.
>
> That's kind of like starting a new automobile manufacturing company in
> order to teach drivers ed to teenagers.
Not really:
>> I recall some guy there wanted to build rifles for a youth marksmanship
>> program.
>
> That's kind of like starting a new automobile manufacturing company in
> order to teach drivers ed to teenagers.
http://www.crickett.com/crickett_aboutus.php
I think this little number would be perfect for Stormin:
http://www.crickett.com/product_info.php?products_id=374&osCsid=6qpf36hdl3i21auq103skucka7
rbowman
Nov 26, 2012, 11:11:35 PM11/26/12
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Winston_Smith wrote:
> Rubber cars would be a great thing to use in drivers ed.
You mean like those electric jobs in amusement parks? I loved them when I
> Rubber cars would be a great thing to use in drivers ed.
was a kid and they really helped me to form my driving style. Unfortunately,
I had to modify it with the demise of real, honest to god bumpers. Nerfing a
friend at 90 mph just doesn't work with the modern tupperware front ends.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 27, 2012, 8:08:16 AM11/27/12
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I like this one better:
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/33824.jpg
That way, everyone knows I won't hurt em.
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http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/33824.jpg
That way, everyone knows I won't hurt em.
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Steve from Colorado
Nov 27, 2012, 12:55:15 PM11/27/12
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From: rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
Newsgroups: alt.survival
Subject: Re: New Gun Manufacturer in Montana
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:07:32 -0700
COTTAGE LAKE, Wash. (CBS Seattle) – A Kings County Sheriff’s deputy has
been put on administrative leave after being accused of shooting at a
developmentally disabled man who was holding a toy gun.
The Seattle Times reports police got multiple calls about a man waving a
gun at passing vehicles.
“The first deputy arrived minutes later and the man ignored her
commands. When the man pulled the handgun from his waistband and raised
it, the deputy fired about 25 yards away,” Deputy Charlie Akers told the
paper. “The man dropped to the ground and other deputies moved in to
handcuff him.”
That’s when authorities discovered that the gun was a Lego toy.
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/police-deputy-shoots-at-disabled-man-waving-gun-made-of-legos/
Newsgroups: alt.survival
Subject: Re: New Gun Manufacturer in Montana
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:07:32 -0700
been put on administrative leave after being accused of shooting at a
developmentally disabled man who was holding a toy gun.
The Seattle Times reports police got multiple calls about a man waving a
gun at passing vehicles.
“The first deputy arrived minutes later and the man ignored her
commands. When the man pulled the handgun from his waistband and raised
it, the deputy fired about 25 yards away,” Deputy Charlie Akers told the
paper. “The man dropped to the ground and other deputies moved in to
handcuff him.”
That’s when authorities discovered that the gun was a Lego toy.
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/police-deputy-shoots-at-disabled-man-waving-gun-made-of-legos/
Winston_Smith
Nov 27, 2012, 1:15:34 PM11/27/12
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:55:15 -0700, Steve from Colorado
<steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote:
>That’s when authorities discovered that the gun was a Lego toy.
>http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/police-deputy-shoots-at-disabled-man-waving-gun-made-of-legos/
All the toy guns I've seen in years have a bright red plug in the end
<steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote:
>That’s when authorities discovered that the gun was a Lego toy.
>http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/police-deputy-shoots-at-disabled-man-waving-gun-made-of-legos/
of the barrel. That cop was blind, frightened, or stupid.
Steve from Colorado
Nov 27, 2012, 1:35:41 PM11/27/12
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Steve from Colorado
Nov 27, 2012, 1:40:25 PM11/27/12
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have a little fun shooting his fat ass. I'll bet she still works for
the same police department. They probably made her take a class in
diversity training and put her back on the beat. The moral of the story
might even be obvious for Chris.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 27, 2012, 4:44:16 PM11/27/12
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Moral: Never take diversity training?
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"Steve from Colorado" <steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote in message
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"Steve from Colorado" <steve.fro...@cocks.net> wrote in message
Stormin Mormon
Nov 27, 2012, 4:45:15 PM11/27/12
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Lego toy made in Montana?
news:k92uq6
news:k92uq6
Steve from Colorado
Nov 27, 2012, 6:04:00 PM11/27/12
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On 11/27/2012 2:44 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Moral: Never take diversity training?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
No. Only retards take a toy gun to a gunfight.
> Moral: Never take diversity training?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
http://youtu.be/VqJJeCjFtJQ
Steve from Colorado
Nov 27, 2012, 8:22:06 PM11/27/12
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http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_da93fe38-382a-11e2-b34f-001a4bcf887a.html
Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:00 pm | Updated: 5:40 pm, Mon Nov
26, 2012.
By HEIDI GAISER/Daily Inter Lake | 3 comments
If Montana Rifleman can find more of the machinists it needs to keep on
top of orders, Flathead County’s third-quarter jobs numbers in the
firearms manufacturing sector will outdo even its impressive
second-quarter growth.
According to statistics from the Bureau of Business and Economic
Research at the University of Montana, jobs in firearms manufacturing
have more than doubled from the second quarter of 2011.
Firearms manufacturing jobs officially listed by the bureau were at 129
in 2009, dropped to 58 in the fourth quarter of 2010, but have rebounded
considerably since then.
While current numbers aren’t available, there are several hundred jobs
connected to the firearms industry in Flathead County.
In Flathead County alone there are more than 120 federal firearms licenses.
Total payroll jumped from $891,000 in 2011 to more than $2 million this
year in the local gun industry.
State statistics show that there are 12 firearms manufacturing entities
in Flathead County in 2012; in 2011 there were 10. The number was at
four in 2004; manufacturing sites have tripled in less than a decade.
Montana Rifleman alone provides around 170 of the jobs and could easily
hire more, founder Brian Sipe said, if more trained machinists were
available. Finding machinists trained in programming and operating
Computer Numerical Control equipment is a challenge, he said.
Some of the area’s other major firearms employers include SI Defense,
which makes AR rifles, with more than 50 in its work force. Proof
Research of Kalispell, which creates lightweight weapons using
carbon-fiber barrels, employs 29 people and says it is planning on
hiring more.
Defiance Machine near Columbia Falls had 44 employees earlier this year
making rifle actions, trigger mechanisms and an assault rifle platform.
NEMO employs 12 people at its plant in south Kalispell where it
assembles assault rifles, and has more workers in training to start in
December. McGowen Precision Barrels has a staff of 16 and is expecting
production growth to continue.
These are just the largest operations; there are many other smaller
outfits involved in the firearms industry.
Flathead Valley Community College started a gunsmithing program last
summer, which will help fill the local need for gun-industry workers
with technical skills.
"The firearms industry is an important and quickly growing industry
sector in the Flathead Valley,” said Joe Unterreiner, president of the
Kalispell Chamber of Commerce. “Their innovative work with advanced
materials and design and their quality workmanship are gaining national
attention. We are pleased that this sector is providing an increasing
number of well-paid jobs.”
The firearms industry is part of what drove the Kalispell Chamber of
Commerce to recently create a Manufacturers Roundtable. The group aims
to help the valley meet the unique needs of manufacturers, diversify the
economy, drive innovation and create high-wage jobs.
“One of the reasons we're forming the Manufacturing Roundtable is to
better serve the firearms industry and other manufacturing sectors and
to help advance the business climate in which they can thrive,”
Unterreiner said.
rbowman
Nov 27, 2012, 9:32:19 PM11/27/12
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Winston_Smith wrote:
> All the toy guns I've seen in years have a bright red plug in the end
> of the barrel. That cop was blind, frightened, or stupid.
I'm not sure how that works. I have an AirSoft that does have the orange
> All the toy guns I've seen in years have a bright red plug in the end
> of the barrel. That cop was blind, frightened, or stupid.
muzzle, but the Crosman CO2 .357 and 1377 pump pellet handguns don't. The
1377 conceivably could be mistaken for a real firearm but the .357 is good
enough that if you don't look at the bore or the rotary magazine that
replaces the cylinder it would cause loose bowels if pointed in your
direction.
rbowman
Nov 27, 2012, 9:39:04 PM11/27/12
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Steve from Colorado wrote:
> It looks like Montana is seeing a boom in gun making, no pun intended.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/ammunition-sales-see-post-election-surge-
> It looks like Montana is seeing a boom in gun making, no pun intended.
buyers-fear-civil-war/article_34656308-3785-11e2-83b3-001a4bcf887a.html
http://snipurl.com/25q0z2q
The ammo manufacturers aren't doing bad either. There are three different
companies in the Bitterroot valley with about 150 elves going hammer and
tongs to supply the demand.
Winston_Smith
Nov 27, 2012, 10:38:29 PM11/27/12
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:32:19 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
If something comes out of the barrel, I'd be inclined to not call it a
toy. It doesn't have to be propelled by powder to be dangerous.
wrote:
toy. It doesn't have to be propelled by powder to be dangerous.
rbowman
Nov 27, 2012, 11:00:12 PM11/27/12
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Winston_Smith wrote:
> If something comes out of the barrel, I'd be inclined to not call it a
> toy. It doesn't have to be propelled by powder to be dangerous.
It would be a stretch to call any airsoft gun lethal.
> If something comes out of the barrel, I'd be inclined to not call it a
> toy. It doesn't have to be propelled by powder to be dangerous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft
" Federal law in the United States requires that a 6 mm (0.24 in) orange tip
to be present on all "toy guns" (including airsoft replicas) while being
imported or transferred domestically into/within the United States. These
brightly colored tips show the difference between real and replica firearms,
which helps to ensure safety.[14] However, after purchased from the
retailer, no orange tip is needed. The federal regulations do not require
the owner to keep the muzzle painted after acquiring their airsoft
gun[citation needed]. Few players choose to keep the tip, whether for safety
or various other reasons, and some switch their orange-painted flash hiders
with more realistic ones shortly before playing while at the field's staging
area.
The Code of Federal Regulations Title 15, part 1150.2, states "no person
shall manufacture, enter into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy,
look-alike, or imitation firearm" without the requisite blaze orange
marking. A waiver may be obtained (1150.5) by the theatrical, movie, or
television industries.[15]"
I assume the traditional BB or pellet guns aren't considered 'toys' in
legalspeak and don't need the orange tip.
I wonder if anyone has tried the turnaround -- paint an orange stripe on a
fully functional Glock and say "that's just my toy airsoft" if questioned?
Shall not be infringed
Nov 28, 2012, 7:49:15 PM11/28/12
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What if a criminal wrapped red duct tape around a real gun barrel?
Shall not be infringed
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