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Stormin Mormon
May 15, 2012, 9:28:54 PM5/15/12
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Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
ground. Bummer.
Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
on the sidewall.
Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
some new ones.
Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
ground. Bummer.
Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
on the sidewall.
Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
some new ones.
Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Steve W.
May 15, 2012, 11:06:54 PM5/15/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
> limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
> 65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
> noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
> Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
> ground. Bummer.
>
> Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
> three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
> puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
> compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
>
> Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
> a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
> of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
> a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
>
> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
> on the sidewall.
If the hole is in the sidewall the plug won't hold for long. Too much
> Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
> limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
> 65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
> noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
> Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
> ground. Bummer.
>
> Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
> three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
> puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
> compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
>
> Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
> a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
> of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
> a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
>
> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
> on the sidewall.
flex. BUT you should be able to repair it with a normal tire patch from
the inside.
>
> Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
> some new ones.
my favorite uses a mushroom shaped plug made of rubber. That thing is
slick. It uses a pistol shaped tool to press the plug through an
insertion needle, when you pull it back out the plug seals against the
inside of the tire and if you use the correct cement it becomes a
permanent part of the tire. Not real cheap but it works great.
http://www.compacc.com/p/Stop-Go-Tubeless-Tire-Plug-Gun-Kit
>
> Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
> closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
> doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
> it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
> my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
> them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
>
> Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
> holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
> tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
>
> Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
Steve W.
Winston_Smith
May 16, 2012, 12:31:05 AM5/16/12
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On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:28:54 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com>
cross posted to
alt.survival,
alt.trucks.chevy,
rec.crafts.metalworking
>Didn't we just do this?
Yes.
Maybe I lead a charmed life, but I haven't had a flat in 20 years and
I go some pretty sticky places. What's your problem?
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com>
cross posted to
alt.survival,
alt.trucks.chevy,
rec.crafts.metalworking
>Didn't we just do this?
Yes.
Maybe I lead a charmed life, but I haven't had a flat in 20 years and
I go some pretty sticky places. What's your problem?
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Winston_Smith
May 16, 2012, 1:10:46 AM5/16/12
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On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:41:35 -0500, G. Morgan
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>>When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
>>cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
>>on the sidewall.
>>
>>Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>>black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>>some new ones.
>
>Jeezuz...
>
>You don't plug sidewalls, are you nuts?
I took it to mean he marked the sidewall to show where the hole was in
the tread. I hope that's what the poor fool did.
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>>When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
>>cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
>>on the sidewall.
>>
>>Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>>black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>>some new ones.
>
>
>You don't plug sidewalls, are you nuts?
I took it to mean he marked the sidewall to show where the hole was in
the tread. I hope that's what the poor fool did.
Message has been deleted
Stormin Mormon
May 16, 2012, 7:40:39 AM5/16/12
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>
> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
> on the sidewall.
If the hole is in the sidewall the plug won't hold for long. Too much
flex. BUT you should be able to repair it with a normal tire patch from
the inside.
CY: If the hole was in the sidewall, I could have seen the hole with the
> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
> on the sidewall.
If the hole is in the sidewall the plug won't hold for long. Too much
flex. BUT you should be able to repair it with a normal tire patch from
the inside.
tire mounted. Had to take the tire off, which suggests....... and I put the
sharpie pen mark on the side, so I could find the hole, later. There was a
lot of latex goop on the tread, from the..... (four letters, starts with
h...) so I didn't sharpie on the tr......
>
> Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
> some new ones.
I have a few different plug kits, a couple use the rubberized string and
my favorite uses a mushroom shaped plug made of rubber. That thing is
slick. It uses a pistol shaped tool to press the plug through an
insertion needle, when you pull it back out the plug seals against the
inside of the tire and if you use the correct cement it becomes a
permanent part of the tire. Not real cheap but it works great.
http://www.compacc.com/p/Stop-Go-Tubeless-Tire-Plug-Gun-Kit
had a shop, or if the tool got you down the road after a flat.
Stormin Mormon
May 16, 2012, 7:48:19 AM5/16/12
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If the hole was in the sidewall, I could have seen
the hole with the tire mounted.
Had to take the tire off, which suggests that the
the hole with the tire mounted.
hole was in the tread.
Anyhow, I put the sharpie pen mark on the side,
so I could find the hole, later. I'd already tried a
can of Fix a Flat. There was a lot of latex goop
on the tread, all around the hole. So, I didn't think
the sharpie would work on wet latex. I wasn't sure
if the latex would dry clear, or if I'd be able to find
the hole later. So, I indicated the tread hole, by
marking the sidewall.
Glad I did, that was helpful, when I got home.
"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
>cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
>on the sidewall.
>
>Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>some new ones.
>When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
>cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
>on the sidewall.
>
>Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>some new ones.
Jeezuz...
You don't plug sidewalls, are you nuts?
--
You don't plug sidewalls, are you nuts?
I can whistle with my fingers, especially if I have a whistle. -Mitch
Hedberg
Stormin Mormon
May 16, 2012, 7:49:51 AM5/16/12
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That's me. Armchair pretender. Keyboard
Commando.
Its even worse reading it the second time around, he
sounds like a helpless fool and lazy (the jack was
under there somewhere).
Commando.
>I took it to mean he marked the sidewall to
>show where the hole was in
>the tread. I hope that's what the poor fool did.
Oh.. yeah that could be so after a re-read now.
>show where the hole was in
>the tread. I hope that's what the poor fool did.
Its even worse reading it the second time around, he
sounds like a helpless fool and lazy (the jack was
under there somewhere).
rbowman
May 16, 2012, 9:41:01 AM5/16/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> CY: Well, that looks effective. Forty two bucks, would be worth it if you
> had a shop, or if the tool got you down the road after a flat.
>
http://www.amazon.com/Dynaplug-1007-Tubeless-Tire-Repair/dp/B000EXSER4
> CY: Well, that looks effective. Forty two bucks, would be worth it if you
> had a shop, or if the tool got you down the road after a flat.
>
Gemini Jackson
May 16, 2012, 9:58:28 AM5/16/12
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On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:28:54 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
>a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
>of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
>a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
Do I understand correctly that you had the tools needed to do the work
>Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
>a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
>of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
>a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
yourself, but due to the complexity of moving various items off the
hidden jack and lug wrench compartment you decided to call AAA, wait
on the side of the road, and then have them eventually change your
tire for you (and possibly give you a bill)? And you consider
yourself a self-sufficient/reliant conservative with an interest in
surviving an apocalyptic disaster? My apologies if you're
handicapped, my condolences if you're just incompetent.
-gj
Stormin Mormon
May 16, 2012, 10:33:35 AM5/16/12
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Writing late at night, tired, thirsty, and a little
less than coherent. I'll rewrite the post, and see
if I can make more sense.
Take two!
Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
Get out and look. Right front tire, was flat as a
pancake, on the bottom. Bummer.
Found my small air compressor. I'd used it a couple
days ago, with a friend's soft tire. Hook that on, and
ran it for two or three minutes. The tire did not inflate.
Dug in a tote of stuff in the back. Got out a can of stop
leak fix a flat, puncture seal, or some other brand. Squirting
the entire can of stuff in, did not raise the rim off the ground.
Then put the compressor back on. Still, rim on the ground.
Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench. But, I figure
I pay for AAA, and may as well use it.
When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole in the tread,
about 1/3 of the way in from the outer edge of the tread. The
latex and presure are bubbling cheerfully away. I marked the
location with a Sharpie pen, on the sidewall. Didn't think the pen
would write on wet latex.
Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
some new ones.
Learning moment. The insert tool I had in the storage tote
in the back had a tip like a closed top U. It pulled the tar
cord plug right back out. Went in doors to modify the
plug tool, (bench grinder; metal content) make it J
other insert tool, in my other vehicle. It was J shaped.
Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
holds. [yes, it did] If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on
(matched tire, matches the other side) and put the spare
back under. [The spare is held on by two big nylon tie
wraps, and two coat hangers. The winch and crank
mechanism rusted and stopped working, long time ago.]
less than coherent. I'll rewrite the post, and see
if I can make more sense.
Take two!
Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
pancake, on the bottom. Bummer.
Found my small air compressor. I'd used it a couple
days ago, with a friend's soft tire. Hook that on, and
ran it for two or three minutes. The tire did not inflate.
Dug in a tote of stuff in the back. Got out a can of stop
leak fix a flat, puncture seal, or some other brand. Squirting
the entire can of stuff in, did not raise the rim off the ground.
Then put the compressor back on. Still, rim on the ground.
Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
I pay for AAA, and may as well use it.
When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole in the tread,
about 1/3 of the way in from the outer edge of the tread. The
latex and presure are bubbling cheerfully away. I marked the
location with a Sharpie pen, on the sidewall. Didn't think the pen
would write on wet latex.
Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
some new ones.
in the back had a tip like a closed top U. It pulled the tar
cord plug right back out. Went in doors to modify the
plug tool, (bench grinder; metal content) make it J
shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
my insert tools are J shape, in the future. I checked the
other insert tool, in my other vehicle. It was J shaped.
Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
(matched tire, matches the other side) and put the spare
back under. [The spare is held on by two big nylon tie
wraps, and two coat hangers. The winch and crank
mechanism rusted and stopped working, long time ago.]
Stormin Mormon
May 16, 2012, 10:37:26 AM5/16/12
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Hmm. I'm not sure I've seen anything like that. Could
work. Thanks for the great idea.
Mine is the "reamer and pusher and tar rope" kind.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200326642_200326642
After using it last night, I can see that the T-handle
types would be much more comfortable to use.
http://www.amazon.com/Slime-1034-A-Tire-Plug-Kit/dp/B000ET525K/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1337178885&sr=1-1
"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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work. Thanks for the great idea.
Mine is the "reamer and pusher and tar rope" kind.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200326642_200326642
After using it last night, I can see that the T-handle
types would be much more comfortable to use.
http://www.amazon.com/Slime-1034-A-Tire-Plug-Kit/dp/B000ET525K/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1337178885&sr=1-1
"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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Ed Huntress
May 16, 2012, 10:44:22 AM5/16/12
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longer on one side than the other. You push the short end ALL THE WAY
INTO THE TIRE. Then you twist the needle and pull it out.
I don't like those because you can't be sure you have a good wad of
string left on the inside. They're Ok for very small holes, like from
small nails.
rbowman
May 16, 2012, 11:07:57 PM5/16/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Mine is the "reamer and pusher and tar rope" kind.
> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200326642_200326642
They work, but on motorcycle tires you'd really rather not push a reamer
> Mine is the "reamer and pusher and tar rope" kind.
> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200326642_200326642
that is bigger than the original nail or screw into the tire and saw away.
Stormin Mormon
May 16, 2012, 11:13:09 PM5/16/12
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I'd imagine that a smaller kit for Moto would be
a good idea to have available.
In the case that happened to me, it was a tread
hole in a P235x70xR15, if memory serves.
There was nothing in the hole, and so I do not
know what got me. Wish I did, I'm curious.
wrote in message news:a1j8cd...@mid.individual.net...
a good idea to have available.
In the case that happened to me, it was a tread
hole in a P235x70xR15, if memory serves.
There was nothing in the hole, and so I do not
know what got me. Wish I did, I'm curious.
wrote in message news:a1j8cd...@mid.individual.net...
Winston_Smith
May 17, 2012, 12:13:04 AM5/17/12
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On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:28:54 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
>closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
>doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content)
I'm sure the folks on r.c.m will be both surprised and pleased to
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
>closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
>doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content)
learn a grinder can be used on metal. All these years they thought it
was only good for wood and plastic.
Damn, you will go to any stretch to make your cross-posting relavent,
won't you?
Stormin Mormon
May 17, 2012, 10:58:15 AM5/17/12
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For the last day or two, I've had a wicked sore
knee cap. I think I figured it out. When I stopped
to work on the tire, there were rocks and pebbles
and such along the shoulder of the road. I knelt
on one of them, which put some concenetrated
pressure on my knee. Don't know if I have knee
pads in the truck, but will before much longer.
Be safe, folks.
knee cap. I think I figured it out. When I stopped
to work on the tire, there were rocks and pebbles
and such along the shoulder of the road. I knelt
on one of them, which put some concenetrated
pressure on my knee. Don't know if I have knee
pads in the truck, but will before much longer.
Be safe, folks.
Shall not be infringed
May 17, 2012, 1:36:26 PM5/17/12
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Winston_Smith
May 17, 2012, 2:16:32 PM5/17/12
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picked up a screwdriver somewhere on a well maintained city street in
a business area. I still have the screwdriver. About all it suffered
was handle damage. I suspect it's not as valuable as the tire which
was unrepairable. ;>}
Thinking back on it, the only flats I've ever had was when I was
young, broke, and ran tires down to where they were almost slicks.
Other than the tire mentioned above, I've never had a flat with decent
tread. I've driven off-road, construction sites, industrial sites and
never a problem.
Then there is that little angel guy sitting on my shoulder.
Gunner Asch
May 19, 2012, 3:38:55 AM5/19/12
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710 freeway in LA. From the time I pulled off the road to the time I
drove back into traffic on the full sized spare was 13 minutes. This at
11pmish on a Wed night.
Blink blink...Im really starting to wonder why Stormin is here. Really
I am.
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
rbowman
May 19, 2012, 12:41:26 PM5/19/12
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Gunner Asch wrote:
> Blink blink...Im really starting to wonder why Stormin is here. Really
> I am.
We can hope he's learning something. Otherwise, he seems to have trouble
> Blink blink...Im really starting to wonder why Stormin is here. Really
> I am.
surviving TWAWKI, let alone TEOTWAWKI.
Nicholas
May 19, 2012, 4:16:48 PM5/19/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:41:26 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
My guess is his umbilical cord wrapped itself around his neck as he
was leaving the birth canal of his 3 mothers, and starved his brain of
oxygen.
The OBGYN then tried to aim for the wastebasket but missed...so here
he is for all to admire.
Lg
wrote:
was leaving the birth canal of his 3 mothers, and starved his brain of
oxygen.
The OBGYN then tried to aim for the wastebasket but missed...so here
he is for all to admire.
Lg
Flint
May 24, 2012, 11:10:57 AM5/24/12
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On 5/15/2012 11:06 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
>> limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
>> 65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
>> noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
>> Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
>> ground. Bummer.
>>
>> Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
>> three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
>> puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
>> compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
>>
>> Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
>> a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
>> of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
>> a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
>>
>> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
>> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
>> on the sidewall.
>
>
> If the hole is in the sidewall the plug won't hold for long. Too much
> flex. BUT you should be able to repair it with a normal tire patch
> from the inside.
I've found it best to use both plug and patch on sidewall repairs.
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
>> limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
>> 65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
>> noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
>> Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
>> ground. Bummer.
>>
>> Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
>> three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
>> puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
>> compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
>>
>> Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
>> a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
>> of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
>> a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
>>
>> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
>> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
>> on the sidewall.
>
>
> If the hole is in the sidewall the plug won't hold for long. Too much
> flex. BUT you should be able to repair it with a normal tire patch
> from the inside.
Just be sure to cut the excess plug material off from the inside
before attempting to apply an inner patch. It's not a bad idea to try
to neaten up the exterior of the sidewall by trimming the excess plug
material there too as most states will fail a sidewall repair on
inspection. Then touch up the spot with a tiny dab of a bonding
primer with a dab of black silicon layered on top of that to conceal
the repair blemish so it looks almost invisible. Then rebalance the tire.
>
>
>>
>> Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>> some new ones.
>
> I have a few different plug kits, a couple use the rubberized string
> and my favorite uses a mushroom shaped plug made of rubber. That thing
> is slick. It uses a pistol shaped tool to press the plug through an
> insertion needle, when you pull it back out the plug seals against the
> inside of the tire and if you use the correct cement it becomes a
> permanent part of the tire. Not real cheap but it works great.
>
> http://www.compacc.com/p/Stop-Go-Tubeless-Tire-Plug-Gun-Kit
>
>>
>> Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
>> closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
>> doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
>> it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
>> my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
>> them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
>>
>> Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
>> holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
>> tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
>>
>> Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
>>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
MFB
Stormin Mormon
May 24, 2012, 11:25:37 AM5/24/12
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If I ever get a sidewall hole, I don't trust patches or plugs. I'd think
replace.
In my case, the hole that I got plugged fine, and it's held air since then.
.
"Flint" <agen...@section31.org> wrote in message
news:jplj1n$fh6$1...@dont-email.me...
replace.
In my case, the hole that I got plugged fine, and it's held air since then.
.
"Flint" <agen...@section31.org> wrote in message
news:jplj1n$fh6$1...@dont-email.me...
Nicholas
May 24, 2012, 3:32:58 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:25:37 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If I ever get a sidewall hole, I don't trust patches or plugs. I'd think
>replace.
First thing CY ever said that I can agree with 100%
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If I ever get a sidewall hole, I don't trust patches or plugs. I'd think
>replace.
>In my case, the hole that I got plugged fine, and it's held air since then.
Lg
bates2012
May 24, 2012, 3:45:11 PM5/24/12
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On May 15, 8:28 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrench already. Maybe for a while Ill do like they do for the new
Camaros and just carry a big can of Fix-A-Flat. Thats all they come
with I hear. I have plugging tools, but only one plug, so I guess Id
better go get some more.
Luckily I have a parts truck to go look at soon. Maybe it will have a
spare on it.
NB
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
> limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
> 65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
> noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
> Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
> ground. Bummer.
>
> Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
> three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
> puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
> compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
>
> Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
> a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
> of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
> a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
>
> Went out to take care of a couple errands. I was on a
> limited access highway, going about 55 MPH in a
> 65 MPH zone. The truck started to make some awful
> noise in front. I pulled over, off the side of the road.
> Get out and look. Right front tire, was rim on the
> ground. Bummer.
>
> Small air compressor. Hook that on, and ran it for two or
> three minutes. No help. Can of stop leak fix a flat,
> puncture seal, or some other brand. Then put the
> compressor back on. No help. Still, rim on the ground.
>
> Called AAA, they sent a guy out with a tow truck. He had
> a floor jack and cordless impact wrench. Made short work
> of the tire change. I do have a screw up jack, but it's under
> a lot of other stuff. And, I do have a lug wrench.
>
> When we got the tire off, I could see the BIG hole, bubbling
> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
> on the sidewall.
>
> cheerfully away. I marked the location with a Sharpie pen,
> on the sidewall.
>
> Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
> some new ones.
>
> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
> some new ones.
>
> Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
> closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
> doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
> it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
> my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
> them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
>
> Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
> holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
> tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
>
> Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
>
Well, the truck I just bought has no spare tire. I have a jack and lug
> closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
> doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
> it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
> my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
> them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
>
> Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
> holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
> tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
>
> Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
>
wrench already. Maybe for a while Ill do like they do for the new
Camaros and just carry a big can of Fix-A-Flat. Thats all they come
with I hear. I have plugging tools, but only one plug, so I guess Id
better go get some more.
Luckily I have a parts truck to go look at soon. Maybe it will have a
spare on it.
NB
rbowman
May 24, 2012, 9:53:12 PM5/24/12
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Flint wrote:
> Then touch up the spot with a tiny dab of a bonding
> primer with a dab of black silicon layered on top of that to conceal
> the repair blemish so it looks almost invisible. Then rebalance the tire.
I was sitting in my truck in Denver one night when one of those specials let
> Then touch up the spot with a tiny dab of a bonding
> primer with a dab of black silicon layered on top of that to conceal
> the repair blemish so it looks almost invisible. Then rebalance the tire.
go on one of the trailer tires. Considering the venue, my first thought was
I was taking fire from some gangsta. It's pretty dramatic in a tire that's
running 110 psi. The mechanics weren't happy with my attitude when I got
back to the LA terminal.
rbowman
May 24, 2012, 9:56:43 PM5/24/12
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bates2012 wrote:
> Well, the truck I just bought has no spare tire. I have a jack and lug
> wrench already. Maybe for a while Ill do like they do for the new
> Camaros and just carry a big can of Fix-A-Flat.
Fix-A-Flat saved my butt after some yahoos in Knoxville managed to screw up
> Well, the truck I just bought has no spare tire. I have a jack and lug
> wrench already. Maybe for a while Ill do like they do for the new
> Camaros and just carry a big can of Fix-A-Flat.
three out of four tubes when mounting new tires. However, with tubes, the
mess is mostly contained. The tire guy will love you after you empty a big
can of slime into a tubeless tire.
bates2012
May 24, 2012, 10:09:26 PM5/24/12
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wheels with no problems. This truck has the first non-steel wheels Ive
ever had. Maybe I wont have to use the fix-a-flat before I can find a
spare. It had good tires on it, that should help.
I have the old universal donut from my Buick wagon that has like 40
holes in the wheel, it may even fit :o)
NB
terryc
May 24, 2012, 11:20:33 PM5/24/12
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On 25/05/12 01:10, Flint wrote:
> I've found it best to use both plug and patch on sidewall repairs.
not allowed to repair sidewall punctures in this country. Problem with
> I've found it best to use both plug and patch on sidewall repairs.
"blowouts" at high speeds on modern vehicles.
Flint
May 25, 2012, 3:05:40 AM5/25/12
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but I know of several that will repair sidewall punctures. I've done
it myself on a few occasions over my 35+ year driving history, and
I've had no problems with the ones I have repaired.
BTW, blowouts on *any* vehicle at higher speeds is hazardous, be they
new or used tires. Having said that, the legality of sidewall repairs
and the degree of risk in doing so are two different issues. The
legality does not mean that in some cases it can't be done with a high
degree of safety. Fuck the nanny state...
--
MFB
J. Clarke
May 25, 2012, 9:30:13 AM5/25/12
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In article <jpmtq1$egp$2...@dont-email.me>, newsnine...@woa.com.au
says...
Funny we didn't have that problem at the same speeds with less modern
vehicles. Some politician with not enough to do, as usual.
says...
vehicles. Some politician with not enough to do, as usual.
rbowman
May 25, 2012, 10:05:52 AM5/25/12
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J. Clarke wrote:
> Funny we didn't have that problem at the same speeds with less modern
> vehicles. Some politician with not enough to do, as usual.
I blew a rear tire at about 90 one night. After a brief inspection, I
> Funny we didn't have that problem at the same speeds with less modern
> vehicles. Some politician with not enough to do, as usual.
continued on my way. There wasn't much left of the wheel when I got to where
I was going, the wire from the tire bead was wrapped around the axle, it was
sort of noisy, and the highway department probably didn't appreciate the
groove I carved, but only having three working wheels didn't slow me down
too much.
That's one of the reasons I've never been too keen on buying used rental
cars. I never treated Mt. Hertz's equipment very gently.
Stormin Mormon
May 25, 2012, 11:50:44 AM5/25/12
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Sounds like you'd either been drinking, or just a
big case of "don't care"?
news:a29htu...@mid.individual.net...
big case of "don't care"?
news:a29htu...@mid.individual.net...
cl...@snyder.on.ca
May 25, 2012, 2:40:51 PM5/25/12
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with a better than 90% chance of it holding as long as the rest of the
tire if it was done "right".
Today's fires are radial ply - and repairing a sidewall puncture
successfully is a whole lot less likely, due to the difference in tire
construction. I repaird a lot od bias ply sidewalls over the years,
but I won't waste the time and take the risk on a radial.
Winston_Smith
May 25, 2012, 5:28:03 PM5/25/12
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difference between then and now. It was the tire and automobile
companies that made the change. Other than that, I do like to beat
up on politicians.
J. Clarke
May 25, 2012, 6:58:01 PM5/25/12
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In article <vckvr7lg5g06nqhsc...@4ax.com>,
cl...@snyder.on.ca says...
Had a brand new set of S-rated Michelins. Got a nail in the sidewall.
Told the guy to patch it. He argued with me at length, I said to Hell
with it, took it home and patched it then took it back and told him to
balance it. 35,000 miles later when a drunk in a Pinto attempted to
commit suicide-by-Volvo there had been no problem.
Now, it may make a difference that it was a tube-type tire, but I've
never been averse to sticking a tube in a tubeless.
cl...@snyder.on.ca says...
Told the guy to patch it. He argued with me at length, I said to Hell
with it, took it home and patched it then took it back and told him to
balance it. 35,000 miles later when a drunk in a Pinto attempted to
commit suicide-by-Volvo there had been no problem.
Now, it may make a difference that it was a tube-type tire, but I've
never been averse to sticking a tube in a tubeless.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
May 25, 2012, 9:03:27 PM5/25/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:58:01 -0400, "J. Clarke"
A small nail hole can sometimes be repairable - if it goes BETWEEN the
threads of the body cords. If it damages the cord, ALL bets are off.
A cut is not repairable. And if water can get into the fabric, it can
deteriorate quite quickly.
As for tubes, ONLY radial tubes should be installed in ANY tubeless
tire.
threads of the body cords. If it damages the cord, ALL bets are off.
A cut is not repairable. And if water can get into the fabric, it can
deteriorate quite quickly.
As for tubes, ONLY radial tubes should be installed in ANY tubeless
tire.
rbowman
May 25, 2012, 9:45:34 PM5/25/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Sounds like you'd either been drinking, or just a
> big case of "don't care"?
My co-worker wanted to stop at the cop shop and complain about the missing
> Sounds like you'd either been drinking, or just a
> big case of "don't care"?
jack in the rental car. I wasn't THAT drunk. Two shit faced Yankees in rural
Georgia in 1971? We'd still be there. We found the jack the next day when
our vision improved.
I'm thankful to have made it through most of the '70s without doing too much
damage.
I have ridden a motorcycle with a flat rear tire for a short distance cold
sober. I wouldn't recommend the experience. At least I didn't have to worry
about breaking the bead when I got to a safe place where I could patch the
tube.
"Less good than belief would have it
Is mead for the sons of men:
A man knows less the more he drinks,
Becomes a befuddled fool"
The Havamal
rbowman
May 25, 2012, 9:52:22 PM5/25/12
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Winston_Smith wrote:
> The sidewalls on the lower profile tires flex more. That's the
> difference between then and now. It was the tire and automobile
> companies that made the change.
I found it a little disconcerting last night when I got out of the car and
> The sidewalls on the lower profile tires flex more. That's the
> difference between then and now. It was the tire and automobile
> companies that made the change.
shut the door and noticed the sidewall flexing. I pushed the side of the car
a little and sure enough the car isn't too firmly connected to the tread. I
handles okay, but as soon as the OEM tires are used up I'll look for
something stiffer. I've tightened the bikes up from the factory jello, I
guess the car is next.
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:58:42 AM5/26/12
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from an identical model?
bates2012
May 26, 2012, 3:14:14 PM5/26/12
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mine. Went yesterday and bought his spare for $20. I also bought both
of the front corner (parking?) lights for another $20 as mine were
busted. Just got finished puttin those on. Found out that the Ranger
had a little winch like deal that pulls the spare up under the bed. My
old Chevy truck jack handle worked fine on it, as should the old jack
if I have a flat. I have a 4-way lug wrench, but I guess I better
check to be sure it will fit the lug nuts.
This local guy I got the parts from stripped a gear in his 5 speed, so
he plans to put a V-8 and new tranny in it and make a toy out of his
truck. His has the same 2.5 liter motor, so I told him to call me when
he pulls it as I might buy it. He said it had about 300K miles on it,
but never any problem, no knocks or smoking. Said he had put about 3
timing belts on it over the years, a new water pump and alternator. If
a man had it, and stick some new rings and bearings, etc. in it and
crate it up, he would have one ready to go if he ever needed it, or
sell it if that be the case. I dont know what a decent price would be
for the motor, maybe $100 ?
NB
CanopyCo
May 27, 2012, 7:37:11 PM5/27/12
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We repaired any hole in the tread or sidewall that was not within 2
inches of the bead.
Then I worked for another red neck shop that did the same thing with
homemade gear.
Section repairs on car and truck tires with 2 electric irons hooked to
a C clamp to melt the new rubber and reinforcement into the repair.
I can repair a hole big enough to stick a pop can threw in either a
car or truck tire and have it hold long enough to use up the tread
that is left.
They came up with a bunch of regulations regarding what happens to the
tires that you take off a car and throw away so we no longer could get
as many used tires to work with, so the shop shut down.
No pity on the guy running the shop, considering that he was doing the
exact crap that got the regulations put into place in the first place.
Now that even a car tire is $100, I may look into getting the gear to
go into that again.
terryc
May 27, 2012, 10:43:56 PM5/27/12
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On 28/05/12 09:37, CanopyCo wrote:
> Now that even a car tire is $100, I may look into getting the gear to
> go into that again.
I changed vehicles and went from car tyres(LT) costing $66 to stuff that
> Now that even a car tire is $100, I may look into getting the gear to
> go into that again.
starts at $250 (wide crap). Repair one with a puncture in the tread and
replaced another when the hub on the camper trailer broke and it blew
out(or the other way around) and shredded the sidewall.
Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)
May 29, 2012, 1:36:29 PM5/29/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:10:57 -0400, Flint <agen...@section31.org>
wrote:
They still sell sidewall repair patches at NAPA, they are big things
that look like a 6 x 6 gauze pad mated with a tire patch, with bias
reinforcements. And you'll need the big electric-heater vulcanizing
clamp to apply them properly - I have to find myself one before it's
necessary.
BUT I would only use these on a farm implement tire (10 MPH max), or
a light duty around town use - that patched highway tire instantly
gets turned into the Spare and you treat it really gently if you ever
have to use it on the road.
>>> Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>>> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>>> some new ones.
>>
>> I have a few different plug kits, a couple use the rubberized string
>> and my favorite uses a mushroom shaped plug made of rubber. That thing
>> is slick. It uses a pistol shaped tool to press the plug through an
>> insertion needle, when you pull it back out the plug seals against the
>> inside of the tire and if you use the correct cement it becomes a
>> permanent part of the tire. Not real cheap but it works great.
>>
>> http://www.compacc.com/p/Stop-Go-Tubeless-Tire-Plug-Gun-Kit
>>
>>>
>>> Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
>>> closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
>>> doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
>>> it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
>>> my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
>>> them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
>>>
>>> Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
>>> holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
>>> tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
>>>
>>> Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
I have had good luck with the "Mushroom" style plugs on ATV tires in
the field - Never had a need to do it on a car.
The big problem is the tire shops and their liability insurance
companies - all these problems still could easily be fixed, but the
insurers don't want to be on the hook for millions per incident of
either outright stupidity or "You knew it was dangerous to use that
tire on the road and you did it anyway - And now that you've had the
accident, you go looking for deeper pockets to pay you back for your
stupid decision."
So the insurers don't allow shops to do those repairs any more.
--<< Bruce >>--
wrote:
that look like a 6 x 6 gauze pad mated with a tire patch, with bias
reinforcements. And you'll need the big electric-heater vulcanizing
clamp to apply them properly - I have to find myself one before it's
necessary.
BUT I would only use these on a farm implement tire (10 MPH max), or
a light duty around town use - that patched highway tire instantly
gets turned into the Spare and you treat it really gently if you ever
have to use it on the road.
>>> Stop on the way home, bought a couple more tire plug, the
>>> black cord with the tar. I had a couple, but figure to buy
>>> some new ones.
>>
>> I have a few different plug kits, a couple use the rubberized string
>> and my favorite uses a mushroom shaped plug made of rubber. That thing
>> is slick. It uses a pistol shaped tool to press the plug through an
>> insertion needle, when you pull it back out the plug seals against the
>> inside of the tire and if you use the correct cement it becomes a
>> permanent part of the tire. Not real cheap but it works great.
>>
>> http://www.compacc.com/p/Stop-Go-Tubeless-Tire-Plug-Gun-Kit
>>
>>>
>>> Learning moment. The insert tool I got, had a tip like a
>>> closed top U. It pulled the cord right back out. Went in
>>> doors to modify it, (bench grinder; metal content) make
>>> it J shaped instead. Then, it worked. Need to make sure
>>> my insert tools are J shape, in the future. When I buy
>>> them. I checked the other insert tool, in my other vehicle.
>>>
>>> Inflate the patched wheel. Will see in the AM, if the air
>>> holds. If it holds, I'll put the wheel back on (matched
>>> tire, matches the side) and put the spare back under.
>>>
>>> Didn't we just discuss flat tires? Must have, right?
the field - Never had a need to do it on a car.
The big problem is the tire shops and their liability insurance
companies - all these problems still could easily be fixed, but the
insurers don't want to be on the hook for millions per incident of
either outright stupidity or "You knew it was dangerous to use that
tire on the road and you did it anyway - And now that you've had the
accident, you go looking for deeper pockets to pay you back for your
stupid decision."
So the insurers don't allow shops to do those repairs any more.
--<< Bruce >>--
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