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Stormin Mormon
Nov 3, 2012, 9:06:27 AM11/3/12
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"When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
what was your response?
The US public carries a mentality of entitlement that
concerns and worries preppers. This attitude of being
owed a living has mainly been instilled by the politicians.
In just the last two generations, the safety net is being
used by many as a sleepy hammock.
But in the words of Alexis De Tocquiville "It's not an
endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to
education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to
food and housing. That's not freedom, that's
dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the
rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle."
With the advent of the "just in time" delivery, the
societal helplessness got much worse. Easy Credit and
the Instant Gratification mantras have bred a generation
of bawling, self-indulgent brats. The whims and desires
of the masses are catered to by a very intricate structure
that is very fragile at best.
People have pointed out this Achilles Heel many, many,
times. The few who heed the warnings are ridiculed,
marginalized or demonized. Our overextended and under
maintained national infrastructure ages and deteriorates.
Failures occur. Locallly, then regional, and some day
national. The more intricate, complex and interconnected
the system becomes, the more prone it is to failure or
sabotage. A storm can wipe out power, food, and fuel
for weeks at a time.
The US public has the idea that the government will
take care of them. It is a seductive lie and it is a mortal
trap. Our government is more concerned with its own
survival, not mine. I do not trust that it will come to my
rescue during a major disaster or act of war. If they do
come, they will be heavy handed, and will force me to
do what I do not want to do. Like leave my refuge, get
on the truck, and go to a concentration camp.
Hurricane Katrina was an example of the total
breakdown of that support system. More than a
year since the storm, many parts areas are still a
disaster, still without drinkable water, without
functioning waste treatment and without electricity.
The people have placed their total faith in a belief
that the local and Federal governments would step
in and save them, in many cases this was a fatal
mistake.
With a disaster of that magnitude there was no way
the governments would have the power to fix every
thing, even though they wanted to. Besides, the State
has no obligation to protect people in the first place.
So where does this leave those that have wisely chosen
to prepare for themselves? The answer is in a very tight
spot. The mentality of entitlement says that they are
entitled to any thing that you have simply because they
are needy, and you "unfairly" have stuff. The question
is what do you do?
The answers are just as difficult as the question.
Turning away people in need is offensive to our
cultural traditions, but in time of crisis it can
become a necessary evil.
One friend remembers having neighbors coming
to their door during a particularly bad snow storm
demanding food because they, the neighbors knew
that the family was Mormon and abided by the one
year of food storage edict.
Timothy 5:8 of the Christian New Testament states
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially
for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith,
and is worse than an infidel." However, far too many
"Sunday Christians" ignore this passage and glom
onto the parts about "feeding the sheep". They
profess to be "helpless" and "needy" when in truth
they are lazy and irresponsible, preferring to let
others take responsibility.
So how do you respond when you hear the phrase
"I know where I'll be coming..."?
I can say that my standard response to that statement is
pretty much to the effect of "Not if you have nothing to
contribute, and family comes first.". By "contribute" I
really mean "bring your own food and other goods".
Full Stop.
We are not in a position to feed, clothe and otherwise
tend to their needs. Sound harsh? It may, but so does
dying due to their unwillingness to prepare.
Notice I did not say their inability to prepare. Those
same people who choose not to be prepared all have
a bewildering array of insurance plans. The all have
spare tires in their cars. Most of them have IRA's or
Roth plans, or 401-K's. They will prepare for the
future in those ways; paying others to take ultimate
responsibility for them. What they refuse to do is
take direct personal responsibility.
The unspoken motto of the U.S. Marine Corps is:
God, Corps, Country. That's what the Fidelis in
"Semper Fidelis" refers to. Ever notice how Corps
comes before country? Ever give it any thought?
My personal motto is : God, Family, Community.
Notice the resemblance?
Naturally most people when they consider such a
chain of loyalty think of it from the self centered
point of view; first I'll take care of my own. There
is another equally important side to the coin.
Consider triage. In a life and death crisis who do
the doctors and nurses try to save first? Other
doctors and nurses, firemen, policemen,
soldiers. Why? Because those people posses the
skills and training and proven commitment to
saving others. Saving them means that many
more can be saved. The country is more likely
to be saved if the Corps is first saved so that it
can render service. The community is best saved
if the family is intact and strong and able to be a
resource to others.
There are always those who simply are not able
to organize their lives in such a way as to be
able to help themselves. Some of us feel we have
a duty to help the helpless in a time of need. The
majority could help themselves, but won't. The
excuses are endless. There will never be enough
resources tosave those who refuse to help them-
selves.
And so I keep the preps on the quiet side. The less that
those around us know the better. This is an unfortunate
but necessary result of the entitlement mentality that the
general public carries, because the scary part is that if
the unprepared don't feel cared for (by some standard
that escapes my understanding) they will try to take it by
any means necessary.
A 72hr kit can be made from household items, or can
be purchased, premade. Even people earning minimum
wages can afford one, and have no excuse for not
having one.
But, a 72 hr kit, it is only a stopgap. And yet how many
people have one? The Mormon Church estimates that
fewer than 10% of their members practice the food
storage program that their church preaches as a religious
duty. The simple fact is that most people have voted with
their dollars and their actions to be cattle; to let others
carry the responsibility for them.
Others have a 72hr kit as their complete preps. These are
told that they are not welcome. What they are telling me,
is that although they recognize and admit that they have a
responsibility and a duty, they are not willing to make more
than the most minimal effort on their own behalf. They are
saying that they are not willing to be part of the solution,
they are not willing to roll up their sleeves and help others,
much less themselves.
Some people have dismissed the whole idea of personal
preparedness with comments like "I pay my taxes!" As if
having paid taxes purchased an insurance plan that owed
them - a provider that was then obligated to come to their
rescue. And that is their attitude when a crisis happens,
they become angry, resentful and demanding of the
resources that they "paid for".
In the end it is a question of triage. If my family or I are
helpless and needy, how will I be able to help others? My
first moral duty is to not be a burden on others. My first
loyalty is to my family. Then, assist those others who
prepared. I will make great efforts to help those who were
prepared, but lost their equipment due to storm, fire, etc.
Once I have accomplished that I can then begin to consider
helping the genuinely helpless.
Those who could have helped themselves and chose not to
do so will have take what's left. If there is any.
And those who say "If Everything Falls Apart, I Know
Where to Go..." can jolly well go to . . . well, some warm
place where others like them congregate.
You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
what was your response?
The US public carries a mentality of entitlement that
concerns and worries preppers. This attitude of being
owed a living has mainly been instilled by the politicians.
In just the last two generations, the safety net is being
used by many as a sleepy hammock.
But in the words of Alexis De Tocquiville "It's not an
endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to
education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to
food and housing. That's not freedom, that's
dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the
rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle."
With the advent of the "just in time" delivery, the
societal helplessness got much worse. Easy Credit and
the Instant Gratification mantras have bred a generation
of bawling, self-indulgent brats. The whims and desires
of the masses are catered to by a very intricate structure
that is very fragile at best.
People have pointed out this Achilles Heel many, many,
times. The few who heed the warnings are ridiculed,
marginalized or demonized. Our overextended and under
maintained national infrastructure ages and deteriorates.
Failures occur. Locallly, then regional, and some day
national. The more intricate, complex and interconnected
the system becomes, the more prone it is to failure or
sabotage. A storm can wipe out power, food, and fuel
for weeks at a time.
The US public has the idea that the government will
take care of them. It is a seductive lie and it is a mortal
trap. Our government is more concerned with its own
survival, not mine. I do not trust that it will come to my
rescue during a major disaster or act of war. If they do
come, they will be heavy handed, and will force me to
do what I do not want to do. Like leave my refuge, get
on the truck, and go to a concentration camp.
Hurricane Katrina was an example of the total
breakdown of that support system. More than a
year since the storm, many parts areas are still a
disaster, still without drinkable water, without
functioning waste treatment and without electricity.
The people have placed their total faith in a belief
that the local and Federal governments would step
in and save them, in many cases this was a fatal
mistake.
With a disaster of that magnitude there was no way
the governments would have the power to fix every
thing, even though they wanted to. Besides, the State
has no obligation to protect people in the first place.
So where does this leave those that have wisely chosen
to prepare for themselves? The answer is in a very tight
spot. The mentality of entitlement says that they are
entitled to any thing that you have simply because they
are needy, and you "unfairly" have stuff. The question
is what do you do?
The answers are just as difficult as the question.
Turning away people in need is offensive to our
cultural traditions, but in time of crisis it can
become a necessary evil.
One friend remembers having neighbors coming
to their door during a particularly bad snow storm
demanding food because they, the neighbors knew
that the family was Mormon and abided by the one
year of food storage edict.
Timothy 5:8 of the Christian New Testament states
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially
for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith,
and is worse than an infidel." However, far too many
"Sunday Christians" ignore this passage and glom
onto the parts about "feeding the sheep". They
profess to be "helpless" and "needy" when in truth
they are lazy and irresponsible, preferring to let
others take responsibility.
So how do you respond when you hear the phrase
"I know where I'll be coming..."?
I can say that my standard response to that statement is
pretty much to the effect of "Not if you have nothing to
contribute, and family comes first.". By "contribute" I
really mean "bring your own food and other goods".
Full Stop.
We are not in a position to feed, clothe and otherwise
tend to their needs. Sound harsh? It may, but so does
dying due to their unwillingness to prepare.
Notice I did not say their inability to prepare. Those
same people who choose not to be prepared all have
a bewildering array of insurance plans. The all have
spare tires in their cars. Most of them have IRA's or
Roth plans, or 401-K's. They will prepare for the
future in those ways; paying others to take ultimate
responsibility for them. What they refuse to do is
take direct personal responsibility.
The unspoken motto of the U.S. Marine Corps is:
God, Corps, Country. That's what the Fidelis in
"Semper Fidelis" refers to. Ever notice how Corps
comes before country? Ever give it any thought?
My personal motto is : God, Family, Community.
Notice the resemblance?
Naturally most people when they consider such a
chain of loyalty think of it from the self centered
point of view; first I'll take care of my own. There
is another equally important side to the coin.
Consider triage. In a life and death crisis who do
the doctors and nurses try to save first? Other
doctors and nurses, firemen, policemen,
soldiers. Why? Because those people posses the
skills and training and proven commitment to
saving others. Saving them means that many
more can be saved. The country is more likely
to be saved if the Corps is first saved so that it
can render service. The community is best saved
if the family is intact and strong and able to be a
resource to others.
There are always those who simply are not able
to organize their lives in such a way as to be
able to help themselves. Some of us feel we have
a duty to help the helpless in a time of need. The
majority could help themselves, but won't. The
excuses are endless. There will never be enough
resources tosave those who refuse to help them-
selves.
And so I keep the preps on the quiet side. The less that
those around us know the better. This is an unfortunate
but necessary result of the entitlement mentality that the
general public carries, because the scary part is that if
the unprepared don't feel cared for (by some standard
that escapes my understanding) they will try to take it by
any means necessary.
A 72hr kit can be made from household items, or can
be purchased, premade. Even people earning minimum
wages can afford one, and have no excuse for not
having one.
But, a 72 hr kit, it is only a stopgap. And yet how many
people have one? The Mormon Church estimates that
fewer than 10% of their members practice the food
storage program that their church preaches as a religious
duty. The simple fact is that most people have voted with
their dollars and their actions to be cattle; to let others
carry the responsibility for them.
Others have a 72hr kit as their complete preps. These are
told that they are not welcome. What they are telling me,
is that although they recognize and admit that they have a
responsibility and a duty, they are not willing to make more
than the most minimal effort on their own behalf. They are
saying that they are not willing to be part of the solution,
they are not willing to roll up their sleeves and help others,
much less themselves.
Some people have dismissed the whole idea of personal
preparedness with comments like "I pay my taxes!" As if
having paid taxes purchased an insurance plan that owed
them - a provider that was then obligated to come to their
rescue. And that is their attitude when a crisis happens,
they become angry, resentful and demanding of the
resources that they "paid for".
In the end it is a question of triage. If my family or I are
helpless and needy, how will I be able to help others? My
first moral duty is to not be a burden on others. My first
loyalty is to my family. Then, assist those others who
prepared. I will make great efforts to help those who were
prepared, but lost their equipment due to storm, fire, etc.
Once I have accomplished that I can then begin to consider
helping the genuinely helpless.
Those who could have helped themselves and chose not to
do so will have take what's left. If there is any.
And those who say "If Everything Falls Apart, I Know
Where to Go..." can jolly well go to . . . well, some warm
place where others like them congregate.
Home Guy
Nov 3, 2012, 9:33:45 AM11/3/12
to
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
I'm already there.
> "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
The place is Canada.
And sorry - you can't come in.
(rest of this pointless tomb not quoted because I'm not a full-quoter)
David Kaye
Nov 3, 2012, 11:35:45 PM11/3/12
to
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote
> You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
> ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
> what was your response?
Right where I am in Northern California. The topography is so varied and
the crops so plentiful that we needn't worry about anything. And this area
gets floods, wildfires, and the occasional quake. My home is less than 30
miles from abundant farmland, and within 80 miles are every crop imaginable.
California has so much food we export most of it.
> You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
> ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
> what was your response?
the crops so plentiful that we needn't worry about anything. And this area
gets floods, wildfires, and the occasional quake. My home is less than 30
miles from abundant farmland, and within 80 miles are every crop imaginable.
California has so much food we export most of it.
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 3:39:25 PM11/4/12
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no water to speak of and our millions of acres of farm lands are fed
by the California Aquaduct. There are wells..but the Aquaduct brings
in most of the water.
Gunner
--
"President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of
you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having
a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the
day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the
world where you can reside and establish new citizenship.
Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>
Dean Hoffman
Nov 4, 2012, 9:41:02 PM11/4/12
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farms productive. That means fuel and parts for the equipment.
It means electricity to run the equipment like dryers, augers or
whatever. It means modern seed and fertilizer.
One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
Wes Groleau
Nov 4, 2012, 10:07:02 PM11/4/12
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On 11-04-2012 21:41, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
> back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
Yes, he can generate six times the volume/calories.
> One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
> back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
Unfortunately, only two times the nutrition, If that.
--
Wes Groleau
After the christening of his baby brother in church, Jason sobbed
all the way home in the back seat of the car. His father asked him
three times what was wrong. Finally, the boy replied, “That preacher
said he wanted us brought up in a Christian home, and I wanted to
stay with you guys."
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 11:40:37 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:07:02 -0500, Wes Groleau
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>On 11-04-2012 21:41, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
>> back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
>
>Yes, he can generate six times the volume/calories.
>
>Unfortunately, only two times the nutrition, If that.
Really? How does that work?
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>On 11-04-2012 21:41, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
>> back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
>
>Yes, he can generate six times the volume/calories.
>
>Unfortunately, only two times the nutrition, If that.
Or is it simply the choice of crop?
Hummm?
Wes Groleau
Nov 5, 2012, 12:42:46 AM11/5/12
to
On 11-04-2012 23:40, Gunner wrote:
> <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>> On 11-04-2012 21:41, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
>>> back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
>>
>> Yes, he can generate six times the volume/calories.
>>
>> Unfortunately, only two times the nutrition, If that.
>
> Really? How does that work?
Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
> <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>> On 11-04-2012 21:41, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> One America farmer can feed about 155 people now. He fed only 26
>>> back in 1960. http://www.farmersfeedus.org/fun-farm-facts/
>>
>> Yes, he can generate six times the volume/calories.
>>
>> Unfortunately, only two times the nutrition, If that.
>
> Really? How does that work?
But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
--
Wes Groleau
A bureaucrat is someone who cuts red tape lengthwise.
David Kaye
Nov 5, 2012, 1:59:12 AM11/5/12
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"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote
> Indeed. Northern California is a good place. Southern California has
> no water to speak of and our millions of acres of farm lands are fed
> by the California Aquaduct. There are wells..but the Aquaduct brings
> in most of the water.
On the other hand, SoCal has the weather. I know three people living in LA.
None of them use a heater in the winter. One did manage to go out and buy a
$20 electric heater at Walgreen when there was a cold snap a few years ago.
I don't think he's used it since.
> Indeed. Northern California is a good place. Southern California has
> no water to speak of and our millions of acres of farm lands are fed
> by the California Aquaduct. There are wells..but the Aquaduct brings
> in most of the water.
None of them use a heater in the winter. One did manage to go out and buy a
$20 electric heater at Walgreen when there was a cold snap a few years ago.
I don't think he's used it since.
David Kaye
Nov 5, 2012, 2:01:32 AM11/5/12
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"Dean Hoffman" <dh0...@inebraska.com> wrote
> All well and fine as long as there is infrastructure to keep the farms
> productive. That means fuel and parts for the equipment.
> It means electricity to run the equipment like dryers, augers or whatever.
> It means modern seed and fertilizer.
This assumes an infrastructure lasting months to years. For one, while most
of our electricity comes from Pacific Gas & Electric, there are small
co-operative utilities and government owned utilities. We also get our
electricity from a wide variety of sources, including natural gas, wind
turbines, solar, and water. In fact, SF owns its own water and power system
(as does LA), and they have excellent records of service to their customers.
> All well and fine as long as there is infrastructure to keep the farms
> productive. That means fuel and parts for the equipment.
> It means electricity to run the equipment like dryers, augers or whatever.
> It means modern seed and fertilizer.
of our electricity comes from Pacific Gas & Electric, there are small
co-operative utilities and government owned utilities. We also get our
electricity from a wide variety of sources, including natural gas, wind
turbines, solar, and water. In fact, SF owns its own water and power system
(as does LA), and they have excellent records of service to their customers.
Gunner
Nov 5, 2012, 2:00:54 AM11/5/12
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Gunner
Nov 5, 2012, 6:26:32 AM11/5/12
to
and some places are COLD, others..no heater needed.
Gunner, in Central California, who hasnt turned on the furnace yet and
has been working out in the shop in a flannel shirt.
Shall not be infringed
Nov 5, 2012, 7:23:58 PM11/5/12
to
It's worth sharing.
Shall not be infringed
Nov 5, 2012, 7:28:24 PM11/5/12
to
On Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:32:23 AM UTC-4, Home Guy wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>
>
> > "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
>
>
>
> I'm already there.
>
>
>
> The place is Canada.
>
>
>
> And sorry - you can't come in.
Anyone can go to Canada.
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
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> > "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
>
>
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> I'm already there.
>
>
>
> The place is Canada.
>
>
>
> And sorry - you can't come in.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 5, 2012, 8:01:29 PM11/5/12
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This is as much as I have:
Category: Power_Grid
Date: 1999-10-26 08:32:11
Subject: When Electricity Fails: A Testimonial
Comment:
I received this e-mail. It speaks volumes.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77579a7c-6463-40ad...@googlegroups.com...
4th of July, let's go over a few things to
make your celebration a success.
Before leaving home make sure you check the
color coded Homeland Security alert status.
Be especially careful if it is orange or red.
Don't worry about yellow. It's always yellow.
Be aware of your surroundings at all times.
New Yorkers, in particular, watch out for
those pesky mushroom clouds.
Don't use any illegal fireworks in your 4th
Celebration. It is for your own safety. And
the founding father's implemented a government
to protect you from yourselves. Didn't they?
Besides, fireworks are explosive devices and
you might be considered a terrorist with
weapons of mass destruction. And although the
government can't find any in Iraq, you can rest
assured they will find them in your car trunk.
But don't worry, getting arrested, imprisoned
indefinitely without formal charges, and a 5
year wait before the secret tribunal trial per
the Patriot Act is a breeze. It's that secret
summary execution that should make you nervous.
Make sure you are buckled up in your seat belts,
there will be roadblocks and checkpoints to
make sure you comply. It is for the children.
If you are an airline employee, lighten up for
the holiday, you can always look for a job
tomorrow. Maybe you could transfer over to a
Federal Airport Security Screener job. Big
demand for those jobs and you don't have to
be smart.
If you are a Haliburton employee, then celebrate,
you probably have a raise coming from the Iraqi
contract windfall.
If celebrating on any public property,
make no mention or relgious ideals.
Government is god there.
You will be aprehended.
Have your papers ready as you approach the
holiday police checkpoints.
Don't criticize the President or other government
officials, you might be in violation of the
Patriot Act and considered a possible terrorist.
Don't mention the Constitution in any district
court or you could be held in contempt.
If your children get out of line this holiday,
do not discipline them, or they may be kidnapped
by the Dept. of Social Services and held hostage
until you receive approved psychological therapy
and are deemed acceptable.
Show compassion this Independence Day by
bringing an illegal immigrant to your celebration
or by hugging a tree.
If an election is occurring in your locality
within the next 90 days, do not talk about or
publicly support any candidate, as that is no
longer lawful. Keep your mouth shut.
If an officer asks to search your vehicle at
the "seat belt" checks, do not be belligerent
and demand a search warrant. Standing up for
your fourth amendment rights is anti-social and
not in tune with the new American way. Are you
with Al Quada or something?
Do not get upset when the searching officer
will not help you pick up your belongings that
he has strewn all over the highway as he searched
your vehicle. It is not in his job description
and complaining will get you charged with
obstructing justice.
Keep your guns at home. You are not going
hunting and besides, What on earth do guns have
to do with American Independence? Better yet,
turn your guns into the authorities to let them
know that you are a true patriotic American.
Better yet, just STAY at home. BUT do not
assume that you are safe, because you are at
home. If a government bureaucrat shows up at your
home, he will probably be flashing a badge at you.
This makes him look like a constitutional law
enforcement officer. He may even be armed. Do not
ask to see a warrant, and then tell him to leave
if he does not have one. They will put a siege
around your house. If you do not come out soon
enough, they may invade, with guns drawn, or
even set your house on fire.
For more information, do a search using keywords
like "Symbionese Liberation Army", "Philadelphia
MOVE group", "Gordon Kahl", "The Order", "Robert
Matthews", "Covenant of the Sword and Arm of the
Lord", "Randy Weaver" , "Branch Davidian", or
"Elian Gonzalez".
If you are counting on you congressman to protect
you, understand that the average congressman is
ALSO afraid to resist. For more information, do
a search using keywords like "George Hanson" ,
"James Trafficant" or "Larry McDonald".
If celebrating at the mall in Washington DC. you
are probably safe as the mall is now monitored
by hundreds of surveillance cameras, watched by
federal security forces. Don't do anything that
you wouldn't want them to see.
Bring lots of cash with you, there will be many
taxes, fines, and fees to pay as you celebrate
your freedoms this day.
Do not leave home without your driver's license,
social security card, birth certificate, welfare
card, medicare card, medical records, W-2 Form,
and two others forms of ID. You may be asked
for them at the police checkpoints.
Better yet, get micro-chipped, and avoid the
hassle of carrying around your papers.
Bring your library card, the FBI may ask you
for it.
Do not put any "anti-government" bumper stickers
on your car. Especially not anything about the
right to keep and bear arms. Police have been
trained by the FBI in "bumper sticker profiling".
This attracts their attention at the check
points, and makes you look like a terrorist.
With regard to "bumper sticker profiling" you
should be especially aware of the fact that
"They will get my gun, when they pry it from
my cold dead fingers" is no longer mere
semantics. At WACO, and at RUBY RIDGE, we
learned that they WILL kill you to take your guns
ALSO, be careful not to have any unauthorized
THOUGHTS. There are now serious penalties for
"thought crime". Be aware that "civil forfeiture"
laws make it possible to take anything that you
own, by alleging that it was "intended" to be
used for the commission of a crime. This could
include transporting or storing a gun.
If "civil forfeiture" proceedings are initiated
against you, then you will have the burden of
proof, to show that your thoughts were in
compliance with government standards.
If traveling by air this Independence Day, do
not give the airport screeners a hard time.
They are feeling you up and molesting your
daughter and wife for the security of America.
If you complain you could be arrested. You
don't support Bin Laden do you?
Keep an eye on your fellow Americans as you
celebrate this 4th of July. If you see anything
supicious, take notes so that when you get
home you can call and report them to the
Homeland Security Office. And remember you a
re not a nosey snitch, you are a great
American Patriot.
Do not mention the signers of the Declaration
of Independence this 4th of July. Mentioning
these white subversive terrorists is not
popular and could get you in big trouble.
Besides what do these guys have to do with
the 4th of July anyway?
Do not leave home without one or more little
plastic American flags made by political
slaves in Communist China. Make sure you
have one flying from the antennae of your
vehicle. You don't want to seem un-American
do you?
Do not take a copy of the Declaration of
Independence with you as it advocates the
overthrow of tyrannical government. It is
a terrorist document and will be confiscated
at the holiday police checkpoints. Same
advice for the Constitution.
And remember, as you leave home for your 4th
of July outing, that the second you stepped
out of your door that you probably broke
hundreds of federal, state, and local laws
that you are probably unaware of. However,
if you toe the line, you will not be charged.
Don't even think about taxes on this great
day. The 50 per cent government confiscation
of your income at the threat of imprisonment
or at the point of a gun should not even cross
your mind as you revel in your freedom. After
all, April 15th is a long way off.
And whatever you do, do not let on that you
really know that true freedom died a long time
ago in America, just have fun for the day and
then go home and stick your head back in the
sand and pretend America is not becoming a
socialist police state.
Now go out there and celebrate your freedom and
liberty and have a great sanitized, politically correct, and government
approved and authorized
Independence Day!
If you have a few decades with nothing better to
do, study up on "administrative law". Laws are now made by the unelected
bureaucrats, in hundreds
of "administrative agencies". If you are charged
with violating one of these "laws" you will not
get a trial by a jury of your peers. You will be tried by the agency that
made the charge.
I hope this message gets past the Department of
Homeland security approved internet filter.
How else can they protect us from unauthorized thought?
Now go out and celebrate your independence and have
a great Independence Day!
=====
HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISORY
This transmission screened prior to receipt by
addressee pursuant to applicable sections of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Subject: For the LEO's--You're Not A Cop Until ---
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:11 AM
You're Not a Cop UntilYou Taste Them
The department was all astir, there was a lot of laughing and joking
due to all the new officers, myself included, hitting the streets today
for the first time. After months of seemingly endless amounts of
classes, paperwork, and lectures we were finally done with the Police
Academy and ready to join the ranks of our department.
All you could see were rows of cadets with huge smiles and polished
badges. As we sat in the briefing room, we could barely sit still
anxiously awaiting our turn to be introduced and given our beat
assignment or, for the lay person, our own portion of the city to 'serve
and protect.'
It was then that he walked in. A statue of a man - 6 foot 3 and 230
pounds of solid muscle, he had black hair with highlights of gray and
steely eyes that make you feel nervous even when he wasn't looking at
you. H e had a reputation for being the biggest and the smartest
officer to ever work our fair city. He had been on the department for
longer than anyone could remember and those years of service had made
him into somewhat of a legend.
The new guys, or 'rookies' as he called us, both respected and feared
him. When he spoke even, the most seasoned officers paid attention. It
was almost a privilege when one the rookies got to be around when he
would tell one of his police stories about the old days. But we knew
our place and never interrupted for fear of being shooed away. He was
respected and revered by all who knew him.
After my first year on the department I still had never heard or saw
him speak to any of the rookies for any length of time. When he did
speak to them all he would say was, 'So, you want to be a policeman do
you hero?' I'll tell you what, when you can tell me what they taste
like, t hen you can call yourself a real policeman.'
This particular phrase I had heard dozens of times. Me and my buddies
all had bets about 'what they taste like' actually referred to. Some
believed it referred to the taste of your own blood after a hard fight.
Others thought it referred to the taste of sweat after a long day's
work. Being on the department for a year, I thought I knew just about
everyone and everything.
So one afternoon, I mustered up the courage and walk ed up to him. When
he looked down at me, I said 'You know, I think I've paid my dues. I've
been in plenty of fights, made dozens of arrests, and sweated my butt
off just like everyone else. So what does that little saying of yours
mean anyway?' With that, he merely stated, 'Well, seeing as how you've
said and done it all, you tell me what it means, hero.' When I had no
answer, he shook his head and snickered, 'rookies,' and walk ed away.
The next evening was to be the worst one to date. The night started out
slow, but as the evening wore on, the calls became more frequent and
dangerous. I made several small arrests and then had a real knock down
drag out fight. However, I was able to make the arrest without hurting
the suspect or myself. After that, I was looking forward to just
letting the shift wind down and getting home to my wife and daughter.
I had just glanced at my watch and it was 11:55, five more minutes and
I would be on my way to the house. I don't know if it was fatigue or
just my imagination, but as I drove down one of the streets on my beat,
I thought I saw my daughter standing on someone else's porch. I looked
again but it was not my daughter as I had first thought but merely a
small child about her age. She was probably only six or seven years old
and dressed in an oversized shirt that hung to her feet. She was
clutching an old rag doll in her arms that looked older than me.
I immediately stopped my patrol car to see what she was doing outside
her house at such an hour by herself. When I approached, there seemed
to be a sigh of relief on her face. I had to laugh to myself, thinking
she sees the hero policeman come to save the day. I knelt at her side
and asked what she was doing outside.
She said 'My mommy and daddy just had a really big fight and now mommy
won't wake up.' My mind was reeling. Now what do I do? I instantly
called for backup and ran to the nearest window. As I looked inside I
saw a man standing over a lady with his hands covered in blood, her
blood. I kicked open the door, pushed the man aside and checked for a
pulse, but unable to find one. I immediately cuffed the man and began
doing CPR on the lady.
It was then I heard a small voice from behind me, 'Mr. Policeman,
please make my mommy wake up.' I continued to perform CPR until my
backup and medics arrived but they said it was too late. She was dead.
I then looked at the man. He said, 'I don't know what happened. She was
yelling at me to stop drinking and go get a job and I had just had
enough. I just shoved her so she would leave me alone and she fell and
hit her head.'
As I walked the man out to the car in handcuffs, I again saw that
little girl. In the five minutes that has passed, I went from hero to
monster. Not only was I unable to wake up her mommy, but now I was
taking daddy away too.
Before I left the scene, I thought I would talk to the little girl. To
say what, I don't know. Maybe just to tell her I was sorry about her
mommy and daddy. But as I approached, she turned away and I knew it was
useless and I would probably make it worse.
As I sat in the locker room at the station, I kept replaying the whole
thing in my mind. Maybe if I would have been faster or done something
different, just maybe that little girl would still have her mother. And
even though it may sound selfish, I would still be the hero.
It was then that I felt a large hand on my shoulder. I heard that all
too familiar question again, 'Well, hero, what do they taste like?'
But before I could get mad or shout some sarcastic remark, I realized
that all the pent up emotions had flooded the surface and there was a
steady stream of tears cascading down my face. It was at that moment
that I realized what the answer to his question was.
Tears.
With that, he began to walk away, but he stopped. 'You know, there was
nothing you could have done differently,' he said. 'Sometimes you can
do everything right and still the outcome is the same. You may not be
the hero you once thought you were, but now you ARE a police officer.'
Rick Monticello of Somersdale PD, New Jersey
Category: Power_Grid
Date: 1999-10-26 08:32:11
Subject: When Electricity Fails: A Testimonial
Comment:
I received this e-mail. It speaks volumes.
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Christopher A. Young
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"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77579a7c-6463-40ad...@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:10:11 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
>
>
>
> You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
>
> ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
>
> what was your response?
>
>
>
> The US public carries a mentality of entitlement that
>
> concerns and worries preppers. This attitude of being
>
> owed a living has mainly been instilled by the politicians.
>
> In just the last two generations, the safety net is being
>
> used by many as a sleepy hammock.
>
>
>
> But in the words of Alexis De Tocquiville "It's not an
>
> endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to
>
> education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to
>
> food and housing. That's not freedom, that's
>
> dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the
>
> rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle."
>
>
>
> With the advent of the "just in time" delivery, the
>
> societal helplessness got much worse. Easy Credit and
As we go out to celebrate our freedom this
> "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
>
>
>
> You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
>
> ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
>
> what was your response?
>
>
>
> The US public carries a mentality of entitlement that
>
> concerns and worries preppers. This attitude of being
>
> owed a living has mainly been instilled by the politicians.
>
> In just the last two generations, the safety net is being
>
> used by many as a sleepy hammock.
>
>
>
> But in the words of Alexis De Tocquiville "It's not an
>
> endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to
>
> education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to
>
> food and housing. That's not freedom, that's
>
> dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the
>
> rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle."
>
>
>
> With the advent of the "just in time" delivery, the
>
> societal helplessness got much worse. Easy Credit and
4th of July, let's go over a few things to
make your celebration a success.
Before leaving home make sure you check the
color coded Homeland Security alert status.
Be especially careful if it is orange or red.
Don't worry about yellow. It's always yellow.
Be aware of your surroundings at all times.
New Yorkers, in particular, watch out for
those pesky mushroom clouds.
Don't use any illegal fireworks in your 4th
Celebration. It is for your own safety. And
the founding father's implemented a government
to protect you from yourselves. Didn't they?
Besides, fireworks are explosive devices and
you might be considered a terrorist with
weapons of mass destruction. And although the
government can't find any in Iraq, you can rest
assured they will find them in your car trunk.
But don't worry, getting arrested, imprisoned
indefinitely without formal charges, and a 5
year wait before the secret tribunal trial per
the Patriot Act is a breeze. It's that secret
summary execution that should make you nervous.
Make sure you are buckled up in your seat belts,
there will be roadblocks and checkpoints to
make sure you comply. It is for the children.
If you are an airline employee, lighten up for
the holiday, you can always look for a job
tomorrow. Maybe you could transfer over to a
Federal Airport Security Screener job. Big
demand for those jobs and you don't have to
be smart.
If you are a Haliburton employee, then celebrate,
you probably have a raise coming from the Iraqi
contract windfall.
If celebrating on any public property,
make no mention or relgious ideals.
Government is god there.
You will be aprehended.
Have your papers ready as you approach the
holiday police checkpoints.
Don't criticize the President or other government
officials, you might be in violation of the
Patriot Act and considered a possible terrorist.
Don't mention the Constitution in any district
court or you could be held in contempt.
If your children get out of line this holiday,
do not discipline them, or they may be kidnapped
by the Dept. of Social Services and held hostage
until you receive approved psychological therapy
and are deemed acceptable.
Show compassion this Independence Day by
bringing an illegal immigrant to your celebration
or by hugging a tree.
If an election is occurring in your locality
within the next 90 days, do not talk about or
publicly support any candidate, as that is no
longer lawful. Keep your mouth shut.
If an officer asks to search your vehicle at
the "seat belt" checks, do not be belligerent
and demand a search warrant. Standing up for
your fourth amendment rights is anti-social and
not in tune with the new American way. Are you
with Al Quada or something?
Do not get upset when the searching officer
will not help you pick up your belongings that
he has strewn all over the highway as he searched
your vehicle. It is not in his job description
and complaining will get you charged with
obstructing justice.
Keep your guns at home. You are not going
hunting and besides, What on earth do guns have
to do with American Independence? Better yet,
turn your guns into the authorities to let them
know that you are a true patriotic American.
Better yet, just STAY at home. BUT do not
assume that you are safe, because you are at
home. If a government bureaucrat shows up at your
home, he will probably be flashing a badge at you.
This makes him look like a constitutional law
enforcement officer. He may even be armed. Do not
ask to see a warrant, and then tell him to leave
if he does not have one. They will put a siege
around your house. If you do not come out soon
enough, they may invade, with guns drawn, or
even set your house on fire.
For more information, do a search using keywords
like "Symbionese Liberation Army", "Philadelphia
MOVE group", "Gordon Kahl", "The Order", "Robert
Matthews", "Covenant of the Sword and Arm of the
Lord", "Randy Weaver" , "Branch Davidian", or
"Elian Gonzalez".
If you are counting on you congressman to protect
you, understand that the average congressman is
ALSO afraid to resist. For more information, do
a search using keywords like "George Hanson" ,
"James Trafficant" or "Larry McDonald".
If celebrating at the mall in Washington DC. you
are probably safe as the mall is now monitored
by hundreds of surveillance cameras, watched by
federal security forces. Don't do anything that
you wouldn't want them to see.
Bring lots of cash with you, there will be many
taxes, fines, and fees to pay as you celebrate
your freedoms this day.
Do not leave home without your driver's license,
social security card, birth certificate, welfare
card, medicare card, medical records, W-2 Form,
and two others forms of ID. You may be asked
for them at the police checkpoints.
Better yet, get micro-chipped, and avoid the
hassle of carrying around your papers.
Bring your library card, the FBI may ask you
for it.
Do not put any "anti-government" bumper stickers
on your car. Especially not anything about the
right to keep and bear arms. Police have been
trained by the FBI in "bumper sticker profiling".
This attracts their attention at the check
points, and makes you look like a terrorist.
With regard to "bumper sticker profiling" you
should be especially aware of the fact that
"They will get my gun, when they pry it from
my cold dead fingers" is no longer mere
semantics. At WACO, and at RUBY RIDGE, we
learned that they WILL kill you to take your guns
ALSO, be careful not to have any unauthorized
THOUGHTS. There are now serious penalties for
"thought crime". Be aware that "civil forfeiture"
laws make it possible to take anything that you
own, by alleging that it was "intended" to be
used for the commission of a crime. This could
include transporting or storing a gun.
If "civil forfeiture" proceedings are initiated
against you, then you will have the burden of
proof, to show that your thoughts were in
compliance with government standards.
If traveling by air this Independence Day, do
not give the airport screeners a hard time.
They are feeling you up and molesting your
daughter and wife for the security of America.
If you complain you could be arrested. You
don't support Bin Laden do you?
Keep an eye on your fellow Americans as you
celebrate this 4th of July. If you see anything
supicious, take notes so that when you get
home you can call and report them to the
Homeland Security Office. And remember you a
re not a nosey snitch, you are a great
American Patriot.
Do not mention the signers of the Declaration
of Independence this 4th of July. Mentioning
these white subversive terrorists is not
popular and could get you in big trouble.
Besides what do these guys have to do with
the 4th of July anyway?
Do not leave home without one or more little
plastic American flags made by political
slaves in Communist China. Make sure you
have one flying from the antennae of your
vehicle. You don't want to seem un-American
do you?
Do not take a copy of the Declaration of
Independence with you as it advocates the
overthrow of tyrannical government. It is
a terrorist document and will be confiscated
at the holiday police checkpoints. Same
advice for the Constitution.
And remember, as you leave home for your 4th
of July outing, that the second you stepped
out of your door that you probably broke
hundreds of federal, state, and local laws
that you are probably unaware of. However,
if you toe the line, you will not be charged.
Don't even think about taxes on this great
day. The 50 per cent government confiscation
of your income at the threat of imprisonment
or at the point of a gun should not even cross
your mind as you revel in your freedom. After
all, April 15th is a long way off.
And whatever you do, do not let on that you
really know that true freedom died a long time
ago in America, just have fun for the day and
then go home and stick your head back in the
sand and pretend America is not becoming a
socialist police state.
Now go out there and celebrate your freedom and
liberty and have a great sanitized, politically correct, and government
approved and authorized
Independence Day!
If you have a few decades with nothing better to
do, study up on "administrative law". Laws are now made by the unelected
bureaucrats, in hundreds
of "administrative agencies". If you are charged
with violating one of these "laws" you will not
get a trial by a jury of your peers. You will be tried by the agency that
made the charge.
I hope this message gets past the Department of
Homeland security approved internet filter.
How else can they protect us from unauthorized thought?
Now go out and celebrate your independence and have
a great Independence Day!
=====
HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISORY
This transmission screened prior to receipt by
addressee pursuant to applicable sections of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:11 AM
You're Not a Cop UntilYou Taste Them
The department was all astir, there was a lot of laughing and joking
due to all the new officers, myself included, hitting the streets today
for the first time. After months of seemingly endless amounts of
classes, paperwork, and lectures we were finally done with the Police
Academy and ready to join the ranks of our department.
All you could see were rows of cadets with huge smiles and polished
badges. As we sat in the briefing room, we could barely sit still
anxiously awaiting our turn to be introduced and given our beat
assignment or, for the lay person, our own portion of the city to 'serve
and protect.'
It was then that he walked in. A statue of a man - 6 foot 3 and 230
pounds of solid muscle, he had black hair with highlights of gray and
steely eyes that make you feel nervous even when he wasn't looking at
you. H e had a reputation for being the biggest and the smartest
officer to ever work our fair city. He had been on the department for
longer than anyone could remember and those years of service had made
him into somewhat of a legend.
The new guys, or 'rookies' as he called us, both respected and feared
him. When he spoke even, the most seasoned officers paid attention. It
was almost a privilege when one the rookies got to be around when he
would tell one of his police stories about the old days. But we knew
our place and never interrupted for fear of being shooed away. He was
respected and revered by all who knew him.
After my first year on the department I still had never heard or saw
him speak to any of the rookies for any length of time. When he did
speak to them all he would say was, 'So, you want to be a policeman do
you hero?' I'll tell you what, when you can tell me what they taste
like, t hen you can call yourself a real policeman.'
This particular phrase I had heard dozens of times. Me and my buddies
all had bets about 'what they taste like' actually referred to. Some
believed it referred to the taste of your own blood after a hard fight.
Others thought it referred to the taste of sweat after a long day's
work. Being on the department for a year, I thought I knew just about
everyone and everything.
So one afternoon, I mustered up the courage and walk ed up to him. When
he looked down at me, I said 'You know, I think I've paid my dues. I've
been in plenty of fights, made dozens of arrests, and sweated my butt
off just like everyone else. So what does that little saying of yours
mean anyway?' With that, he merely stated, 'Well, seeing as how you've
said and done it all, you tell me what it means, hero.' When I had no
answer, he shook his head and snickered, 'rookies,' and walk ed away.
The next evening was to be the worst one to date. The night started out
slow, but as the evening wore on, the calls became more frequent and
dangerous. I made several small arrests and then had a real knock down
drag out fight. However, I was able to make the arrest without hurting
the suspect or myself. After that, I was looking forward to just
letting the shift wind down and getting home to my wife and daughter.
I had just glanced at my watch and it was 11:55, five more minutes and
I would be on my way to the house. I don't know if it was fatigue or
just my imagination, but as I drove down one of the streets on my beat,
I thought I saw my daughter standing on someone else's porch. I looked
again but it was not my daughter as I had first thought but merely a
small child about her age. She was probably only six or seven years old
and dressed in an oversized shirt that hung to her feet. She was
clutching an old rag doll in her arms that looked older than me.
I immediately stopped my patrol car to see what she was doing outside
her house at such an hour by herself. When I approached, there seemed
to be a sigh of relief on her face. I had to laugh to myself, thinking
she sees the hero policeman come to save the day. I knelt at her side
and asked what she was doing outside.
She said 'My mommy and daddy just had a really big fight and now mommy
won't wake up.' My mind was reeling. Now what do I do? I instantly
called for backup and ran to the nearest window. As I looked inside I
saw a man standing over a lady with his hands covered in blood, her
blood. I kicked open the door, pushed the man aside and checked for a
pulse, but unable to find one. I immediately cuffed the man and began
doing CPR on the lady.
It was then I heard a small voice from behind me, 'Mr. Policeman,
please make my mommy wake up.' I continued to perform CPR until my
backup and medics arrived but they said it was too late. She was dead.
I then looked at the man. He said, 'I don't know what happened. She was
yelling at me to stop drinking and go get a job and I had just had
enough. I just shoved her so she would leave me alone and she fell and
hit her head.'
As I walked the man out to the car in handcuffs, I again saw that
little girl. In the five minutes that has passed, I went from hero to
monster. Not only was I unable to wake up her mommy, but now I was
taking daddy away too.
Before I left the scene, I thought I would talk to the little girl. To
say what, I don't know. Maybe just to tell her I was sorry about her
mommy and daddy. But as I approached, she turned away and I knew it was
useless and I would probably make it worse.
As I sat in the locker room at the station, I kept replaying the whole
thing in my mind. Maybe if I would have been faster or done something
different, just maybe that little girl would still have her mother. And
even though it may sound selfish, I would still be the hero.
It was then that I felt a large hand on my shoulder. I heard that all
too familiar question again, 'Well, hero, what do they taste like?'
But before I could get mad or shout some sarcastic remark, I realized
that all the pent up emotions had flooded the surface and there was a
steady stream of tears cascading down my face. It was at that moment
that I realized what the answer to his question was.
Tears.
With that, he began to walk away, but he stopped. 'You know, there was
nothing you could have done differently,' he said. 'Sometimes you can
do everything right and still the outcome is the same. You may not be
the hero you once thought you were, but now you ARE a police officer.'
Rick Monticello of Somersdale PD, New Jersey
Wes Groleau
Nov 5, 2012, 10:59:16 PM11/5/12
to
On 11-05-2012 06:26, Gunner wrote:
> Well..it depends on where in So Cal one lives. Its a rather big area
> and some places are COLD, others..no heater needed.
In my seven years in San Diego, I scraped my windshield three times.
> Well..it depends on where in So Cal one lives. Its a rather big area
> and some places are COLD, others..no heater needed.
--
Wes Groleau
“Lewis's case for the existence of God is fallacious.”
"You mean like circular reasoning?”
“He believes in God. Therefore, he's fallacious."
Wes Groleau
Nov 5, 2012, 11:03:27 PM11/5/12
to
On 11-05-2012 02:00, Gunner wrote:
yield-increasing methods. So you have one set of factors increasing
yield and proportionally decreasing nutrition, and another factor
partially compensating.
On the other hand, being undernourished and feeling hungry is worse than
being undernourished and not feeling hungry.
--
Wes Groleau
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it
goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the
world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
> <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>> Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
>>
>> But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
>> much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
>>
>> Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
>> leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
>
> So Crop rotation is simply an empty dream?
No, that's an independent variable. It works--with or without the
>> Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
>>
>> But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
>> much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
>>
>> Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
>> leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
>
> So Crop rotation is simply an empty dream?
yield-increasing methods. So you have one set of factors increasing
yield and proportionally decreasing nutrition, and another factor
partially compensating.
On the other hand, being undernourished and feeling hungry is worse than
being undernourished and not feeling hungry.
--
Wes Groleau
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it
goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the
world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
Winston_Smith
Nov 5, 2012, 11:28:13 PM11/5/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>On Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:10:11 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
>>>
>>> You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
>>> ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
>>> what was your response?
>>> "When Everything Falls Apart, I Know Where To Go"
>>>
>>> You have probably heard this from a friend or acquaint-
>>> ance that has learned of your preps. The big question is:
>>> what was your response?
>>How about a cite for this article?
>>It's worth sharing.
>>It's worth sharing.
>This is as much as I have:
>Category: Power_Grid
>Date: 1999-10-26 08:32:11
>Subject: When Electricity Fails: A Testimonial
>Comment:
>I received this e-mail. It speaks volumes.
OK, "When Electricity Fails: A Testimonial" leads to
>Category: Power_Grid
>Date: 1999-10-26 08:32:11
>Subject: When Electricity Fails: A Testimonial
>Comment:
>I received this e-mail. It speaks volumes.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/misc.survivalism/2008-06/msg01593.html
apparently posted by Stormin' in 2008. Which seems to be about power
not people attaching themselves to prepper if it hits the fan.
It also leads to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated/message/80959
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated/message/80951?source=1&var=1
which is a completely separate item.
Very likely may be a thread/sub-thread in msm/yahoo groups which is a
list server group distributed via e-mail. Probably dig around in their
archives from that time period if you really want to.
Gunner
Nov 6, 2012, 2:11:59 AM11/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:59:16 -0500, Wes Groleau
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>On 11-05-2012 06:26, Gunner wrote:
>> Well..it depends on where in So Cal one lives. Its a rather big area
>> and some places are COLD, others..no heater needed.
>
>In my seven years in San Diego, I scraped my windshield three times.
Ayup. And here in the Bakersfield area..in the 30 yrs Ive lived
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>On 11-05-2012 06:26, Gunner wrote:
>> Well..it depends on where in So Cal one lives. Its a rather big area
>> and some places are COLD, others..no heater needed.
>
>In my seven years in San Diego, I scraped my windshield three times.
here..Ive scraped my windshield twice.
And Im 300 miles north of Dago.
Gunner
Gunner
Nov 6, 2012, 2:13:26 AM11/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:03:27 -0500, Wes Groleau
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>On 11-05-2012 02:00, Gunner wrote:
>> <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
>>>
>>> But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
>>> much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
>>>
>>> Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
>>> leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
>>
>> So Crop rotation is simply an empty dream?
>
>No, that's an independent variable. It works--with or without the
>yield-increasing methods. So you have one set of factors increasing
>yield and proportionally decreasing nutrition, and another factor
>partially compensating.
Partially compensating? Not been a farmer long have you?
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>On 11-05-2012 02:00, Gunner wrote:
>> <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
>>>
>>> But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
>>> much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
>>>
>>> Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
>>> leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
>>
>> So Crop rotation is simply an empty dream?
>
>No, that's an independent variable. It works--with or without the
>yield-increasing methods. So you have one set of factors increasing
>yield and proportionally decreasing nutrition, and another factor
>partially compensating.
>
>On the other hand, being undernourished and feeling hungry is worse than
>being undernourished and not feeling hungry.
Being dead is better than the above ..yet its not the optimal is it?
>On the other hand, being undernourished and feeling hungry is worse than
>being undernourished and not feeling hungry.
Larry
Nov 8, 2012, 8:46:54 PM11/8/12
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In article <k77jko$7tn$1...@dont-email.me>, Grolea...@FreeShell.org says...
> Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
>
> But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
> much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
>
> Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
> leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
That seems to be because the plant breeders didn't realize what was happening
until recently. They are now breeding nutrients back into the plant strains.
There is no indication there is a per acre limit, only that they were
ignoring that factor and it got away from them.
> Calories and volume can be built mostly from air, water, and sunlight.
>
> But the vitamins and minerals come from the soil and there's only so
> much of that per acre. Fertilizers can help some, but they are limited.
>
> Much of the genetic engineering and hybridizing increases yield while
> leaving nutritional value the same or even worse.
until recently. They are now breeding nutrients back into the plant strains.
There is no indication there is a per acre limit, only that they were
ignoring that factor and it got away from them.
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