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Hisler
May 26, 2012, 1:44:59 AM5/26/12
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http://www.alt-market.com/articles/795-wall-street-banks-building-a-private-army
This article was written by Alexander Higgins and originally published
at TheTruthIsNow.com
Wall Street banks have secretly taken over US firearms and ammunition
manufacturers and the world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build
up private military force.
A Daily KOs article reveals that Wall Street banks have used private
equity firms to acquire and launch a massive stealth takeover of private
security firms, US ammo and gun manufacturers, uniforms, silencers and
an army of mercenaries to build what amounts to the world’s largest
private army.
At the same time the private mercenary companies they now control, which
include the likes of Dynacorp and the notorious name changing
Blackwater/Xe Services/Academi, have been authorized under Department
of Defense DIRECTIVE NUMBER 3025.18 to actually conduct policing
operations inside the United States.
The article reveals Citi Bank, Bank of America, Barclays, and Deutsche
Bank have provide huge amounts of funding to two private Wall Street
equity firms, Cerebus and Veritas Equity, which in turn have used
umbrella companies such as Freedom Corp., to engage in stealth takeovers
and weapons stockpiling which has consumed the likes of several gun
manufacturers and ammunition manufacturers including Remington, Cobbs,
H&R, Marlin, Dakota, and Bushmaker.
Furthermore, the same private equity firms have taken over companies
involved in the “crowd control industry”.
One such example is CPI which manufacturers microwave and radio
frequency crowd control pain inducers similar to the US Military’s heat
gun which has been mentioned for deployment to control Occupy protestors.
All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
At the same time a DHS informant says that the DHS is preparing for a
civil war and recently leaked army manuals reveal mass military
detention centers are being prepared inside the US for a War On Terror
‘strategy shift‘.
This article was written by Alexander Higgins and originally published
at TheTruthIsNow.com
Wall Street banks have secretly taken over US firearms and ammunition
manufacturers and the world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build
up private military force.
A Daily KOs article reveals that Wall Street banks have used private
equity firms to acquire and launch a massive stealth takeover of private
security firms, US ammo and gun manufacturers, uniforms, silencers and
an army of mercenaries to build what amounts to the world’s largest
private army.
At the same time the private mercenary companies they now control, which
include the likes of Dynacorp and the notorious name changing
Blackwater/Xe Services/Academi, have been authorized under Department
of Defense DIRECTIVE NUMBER 3025.18 to actually conduct policing
operations inside the United States.
The article reveals Citi Bank, Bank of America, Barclays, and Deutsche
Bank have provide huge amounts of funding to two private Wall Street
equity firms, Cerebus and Veritas Equity, which in turn have used
umbrella companies such as Freedom Corp., to engage in stealth takeovers
and weapons stockpiling which has consumed the likes of several gun
manufacturers and ammunition manufacturers including Remington, Cobbs,
H&R, Marlin, Dakota, and Bushmaker.
Furthermore, the same private equity firms have taken over companies
involved in the “crowd control industry”.
One such example is CPI which manufacturers microwave and radio
frequency crowd control pain inducers similar to the US Military’s heat
gun which has been mentioned for deployment to control Occupy protestors.
All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
At the same time a DHS informant says that the DHS is preparing for a
civil war and recently leaked army manuals reveal mass military
detention centers are being prepared inside the US for a War On Terror
‘strategy shift‘.
de...@dudu.org
May 26, 2012, 9:31:56 AM5/26/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 23:44:59 -0600, Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
>http://www.alt-market.com/articles/795-wall-street-banks-building-a-private-army
>
>This article was written by Alexander Higgins and originally published
>at TheTruthIsNow.com
>
>Wall Street banks have secretly taken over US firearms and ammunition
>manufacturers and the world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build
>up private military force.
The fascists cometh. They are being a bit more stealthy this time,
>http://www.alt-market.com/articles/795-wall-street-banks-building-a-private-army
>
>This article was written by Alexander Higgins and originally published
>at TheTruthIsNow.com
>
>Wall Street banks have secretly taken over US firearms and ammunition
>manufacturers and the world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build
>up private military force.
too.
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Larry
May 26, 2012, 4:29:52 PM5/26/12
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In article <cjd2s75pqp0j73u40...@Osama-Is-Dead.net>, sealteam6
@osama-is-dead.net says...
> have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
> Internet.
>
> Where is this shortage supposed to be?
This is old news nonsense. The ammunition purchase was for LEO practice and
duty use. It sounds like a lot, but it's not if you spread it around to the
whole country. Figure a trainee has to fire 10,000 rounds to qualify and 500
rounds a month to stay in practice. How many brand new border guards did they
just hire? 15,000? That's 150 million rounds just to get them qualified.
As for bullets, Hornady and Nosler are both reasonably local to me, and they
are both still small, family owned companies.
@osama-is-dead.net says...
>
> Hisler wrote:
>
> >All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
> >Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
> >Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
> >all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
>
> My local Academy store has all the ammo I could possibly want. I
> Hisler wrote:
>
> >All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
> >Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
> >Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
> >all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
>
> have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
> Internet.
>
> Where is this shortage supposed to be?
This is old news nonsense. The ammunition purchase was for LEO practice and
duty use. It sounds like a lot, but it's not if you spread it around to the
whole country. Figure a trainee has to fire 10,000 rounds to qualify and 500
rounds a month to stay in practice. How many brand new border guards did they
just hire? 15,000? That's 150 million rounds just to get them qualified.
As for bullets, Hornady and Nosler are both reasonably local to me, and they
are both still small, family owned companies.
Message has been deleted
de...@dudu.org
May 26, 2012, 5:37:12 PM5/26/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 15:02:46 -0500, G. Morgan
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Hisler wrote:
>
>>All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
>>Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
>>Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
>>all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
>
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Hisler wrote:
>
>>All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
>>Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
>>Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
>>all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
>
>My local Academy store has all the ammo I could possibly want. I
>have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
>Internet.
>
>Where is this shortage supposed to be?
The shortage is between Steve's ears.
>have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
>Internet.
>
>Where is this shortage supposed to be?
rbowman
May 26, 2012, 6:01:07 PM5/26/12
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G. Morgan wrote:
> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
> am not in a position "in the know".
10,000 rounds sounds very high. A top USPSA shooter at the club level may
shoot 10,000 a year, and the sponsored Grand Masters might go through 50,000
round or more. Many, if not most, LEOs just aren't that interested and
outside of the deep pocketed Feds and their departments really aren't
interested in buying that much ammo.
Maybe the Feds are different. After all they have money (ours) to burn.
> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
> am not in a position "in the know".
10,000 rounds sounds very high. A top USPSA shooter at the club level may
shoot 10,000 a year, and the sponsored Grand Masters might go through 50,000
round or more. Many, if not most, LEOs just aren't that interested and
outside of the deep pocketed Feds and their departments really aren't
interested in buying that much ammo.
Maybe the Feds are different. After all they have money (ours) to burn.
Hisler
May 27, 2012, 1:13:38 AM5/27/12
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On 5/26/2012 2:02 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
informed by a friend that Snopes had discredited the article, but it is
too late for me to remove the OP. OTOH, the fact that it is false is
good news. I would hope that regulars in alt.survival and alt.guns
would prefer to read thought provoking articles that sometimes prove to
be false rather than limit conversation to, say, SM's posts on church
picnics or flashlights.
> Hisler wrote:
>
>> All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
>> Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
>> Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
>> all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
>
>
>> All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
>> Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
>> Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
>> all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
>
> My local Academy store has all the ammo I could possibly want. I
> have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
> Internet.
>
> Where is this shortage supposed to be?
>
I didn't write the article that I posted the link to. I have been
> have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
> Internet.
>
> Where is this shortage supposed to be?
>
informed by a friend that Snopes had discredited the article, but it is
too late for me to remove the OP. OTOH, the fact that it is false is
good news. I would hope that regulars in alt.survival and alt.guns
would prefer to read thought provoking articles that sometimes prove to
be false rather than limit conversation to, say, SM's posts on church
picnics or flashlights.
JerryD(upstateNY)
May 27, 2012, 3:54:46 AM5/27/12
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Hisler" wrote in message........................... Wall Street banks have
it.
John Edwards may go to prison for paying off a mistress.
And someone thinks a conspiracy involving hundreds of people can be kept a
secret.
hahahahahaha
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
secretly
taken over US firearms and ammunition manufacturers and the
world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build up private military
force.<<<<<<<<
Bill Clinton can't get a BJ without everyone on the planet finding out about
taken over US firearms and ammunition manufacturers and the
world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build up private military
force.<<<<<<<<
it.
John Edwards may go to prison for paying off a mistress.
And someone thinks a conspiracy involving hundreds of people can be kept a
secret.
hahahahahaha
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
JerryD(upstateNY)
May 27, 2012, 4:03:46 AM5/27/12
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message.......... Where is this shortage supposed to
be?
There was a shortage of .380 ammo for a while, when the 380 Kel Tec polymer
came out and everyone followed suit with their own polymer .380.
But that was about 2 years ago.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
be?
There was a shortage of .380 ammo for a while, when the 380 Kel Tec polymer
came out and everyone followed suit with their own polymer .380.
But that was about 2 years ago.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
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Gunner Asch
May 27, 2012, 5:30:08 AM5/27/12
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that didnt desert and take their tanks and machine guns home with them)
and mercs.
Given the huge number of trained gun owners who Used to be military and
cops etc...and the disparity in numbers..does anyone think the
mercs/government/cops have the slightest chance of winning..or keeping
any quanity of Americans in those detention centers?
A detention center gets set up..and filled up..and some night a group of
dark clad citizens is going to blow the gates, kill the guards and staff
and tear down the fences and let everyone go free.
Repeat as necessary.
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Stormin Mormon
May 27, 2012, 7:39:07 AM5/27/12
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OP is usually a person "original poster". So, I sure hope you don't remove
any OP, that could lead to murder charges.
With bullets in short supply (and me not needing any, in my case), that
leaves more budget for church picnics, and flashlights. Thanks for pointing
out the good news.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Hisler" <His...@cocks.net> wrote in message
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any OP, that could lead to murder charges.
With bullets in short supply (and me not needing any, in my case), that
leaves more budget for church picnics, and flashlights. Thanks for pointing
out the good news.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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misanthrope
May 27, 2012, 9:04:57 AM5/27/12
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On 5/27/2012 6:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> OP is usually a person "original poster". So, I sure hope you don't remove
> any OP, that could lead to murder charges.
OP also refers to 'original post' which is the meaning that stands out
> OP is usually a person "original poster". So, I sure hope you don't remove
> any OP, that could lead to murder charges.
to me in Hisler's usage here.
>
> With bullets in short supply (and me not needing any, in my case), that
> leaves more budget for church picnics, and flashlights. Thanks for pointing
> out the good news.
>
de...@dudu.org
May 27, 2012, 9:20:31 AM5/27/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:01:07 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
I read a report somewhere once that said gang bangers shoot up about 5
times the ammo in practice than do the local police.
wrote:
times the ammo in practice than do the local police.
JerryD(upstateNY)
May 27, 2012, 10:20:09 AM5/27/12
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Gunner Asch" wrote in message Given the huge number of trained
slightest chance of winning.. or keeping any quantity of Americans
in those detention centers?<<<<<<<<
During the cold war with the USSR, I suggested that the US just give up
and let the USSR come over here and keep everyone here, in line.
After a few times that they sent 10-20 thousand of their troops over here
and they just disappeared, they would have a hard time getting
anyone to come over here.
We could have won the cold war in a year.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
gun owners who Used to be military and cops etc...and the disparity in
numbers.. does anyone think the mercs/government/cops have the
slightest chance of winning.. or keeping any quantity of Americans
in those detention centers?<<<<<<<<
During the cold war with the USSR, I suggested that the US just give up
and let the USSR come over here and keep everyone here, in line.
After a few times that they sent 10-20 thousand of their troops over here
and they just disappeared, they would have a hard time getting
anyone to come over here.
We could have won the cold war in a year.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 2:47:37 PM5/27/12
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G. Morgan <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
news:37i2s7pgjtrbn64nt...@Osama-Is-Dead.net:
> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
> am not in a position "in the know".
That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
infact.
> a problem with a CCI Stinger or Blazer. I have Dustin to thank
You're welcome. I love the extra pop they have.
--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
news:37i2s7pgjtrbn64nt...@Osama-Is-Dead.net:
> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
> am not in a position "in the know".
at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
infact.
> a problem with a CCI Stinger or Blazer. I have Dustin to thank
You're welcome. I love the extra pop they have.
--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 2:49:09 PM5/27/12
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de...@dudu.org wrote in news:jfa4s75uv78nno7ps...@4ax.com:
practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted 10,000
rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard shooting after
work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you consider how many
boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few minutes. [g]
every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard shooting after
work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you consider how many
boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few minutes. [g]
every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 2:49:39 PM5/27/12
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Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote in news:jpsd5v$ra8$1...@dont-email.me:
> sometimes prove to be false rather than limit conversation to, say,
> SM's posts on church picnics or flashlights.
leaking flashlights. [g]
> sometimes prove to be false rather than limit conversation to, say,
> SM's posts on church picnics or flashlights.
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 2:50:42 PM5/27/12
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"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
news:jpsmk7$27v$1...@jerryd.eternal-september.org:
too fucking funny.
news:jpsmk7$27v$1...@jerryd.eternal-september.org:
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 2:52:02 PM5/27/12
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"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
news:jptd6r$jf9$1...@jerryd.eternal-september.org:
> Gunner Asch" wrote in message Given the huge number of trained
> gun owners who Used to be military and cops etc...and the disparity
> in numbers.. does anyone think the mercs/government/cops have the
> slightest chance of winning.. or keeping any quantity of Americans
> in those detention centers?<<<<<<<<
>
> During the cold war with the USSR, I suggested that the US just give
> up and let the USSR come over here and keep everyone here, in line.
> After a few times that they sent 10-20 thousand of their troops over
> here and they just disappeared, they would have a hard time getting
> anyone to come over here.
Stormin Mormon
May 27, 2012, 3:08:41 PM5/27/12
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And, the ever popular reposts, about how to prepare for the next hurricane.
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rbowman
May 27, 2012, 5:22:38 PM5/27/12
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Dustin wrote:
> practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted 10,000
> rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard shooting after
> work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you consider how many
> boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few minutes. [g]
> every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
Don't all those boxes slow you down? I prefer the CCI Blazers in the 525
> practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted 10,000
> rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard shooting after
> work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you consider how many
> boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few minutes. [g]
> every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
round box. I rarely shoot more than a couple of hundred rounds of .22LR in a
session. After that I'm just making noise. Still, those boxes don't last
long.
otoh, I enjoy shooting and it's my relaxation. For a lot of cops it's just
another chore that goes with the job and a skill they really hope to never
need.
rbowman
May 27, 2012, 5:32:05 PM5/27/12
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Dustin wrote:
> That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
> at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
> infact.
I guess they're slow learners. I think you can take every pistol class on
> That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
> at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
> infact.
the Gunsite menu and only need 5000 rounds.
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 7:27:45 PM5/27/12
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rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in
news:a2fk92...@mid.individual.net:
> Dustin wrote:
>
>> practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted
>> 10,000 rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard
>> shooting after work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you
>> consider how many boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few
>> minutes. [g] every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
>
> Don't all those boxes slow you down? I prefer the CCI Blazers in the
> 525 round box. I rarely shoot more than a couple of hundred rounds of
> .22LR in a session. After that I'm just making noise. Still, those
> boxes don't last long.
I've got a lever action henry that holds 15 at a time.. I just dump half a
box at a time on my antistatic bag and roll with it. :)
news:a2fk92...@mid.individual.net:
> Dustin wrote:
>
>> practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted
>> 10,000 rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard
>> shooting after work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you
>> consider how many boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few
>> minutes. [g] every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
>
> Don't all those boxes slow you down? I prefer the CCI Blazers in the
> 525 round box. I rarely shoot more than a couple of hundred rounds of
> .22LR in a session. After that I'm just making noise. Still, those
> boxes don't last long.
box at a time on my antistatic bag and roll with it. :)
misanthrope
May 27, 2012, 10:12:08 PM5/27/12
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On 5/27/2012 1:47 PM, Dustin wrote:
> G. Morgan<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
> news:37i2s7pgjtrbn64nt...@Osama-Is-Dead.net:
>
>> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
>> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
>> am not in a position "in the know".
>
> That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
> at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
> infact.
>
>> a problem with a CCI Stinger or Blazer. I have Dustin to thank
>
> You're welcome. I love the extra pop they have.
>
I've recently tried the stingers in my 10/22 and my Mark III, and did
> G. Morgan<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
> news:37i2s7pgjtrbn64nt...@Osama-Is-Dead.net:
>
>> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
>> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
>> am not in a position "in the know".
>
> That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
> at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
> infact.
>
>> a problem with a CCI Stinger or Blazer. I have Dustin to thank
>
> You're welcome. I love the extra pop they have.
>
not really notice a difference over the regular 22 ammo I normally use.
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 10:13:55 PM5/27/12
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misanthrope <m...@privacy.net> wrote in news:jpumtq$cmp$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
Which ammo do you regularly use? And, are you hard of hearing or visually
impaired? The stingers tend to be rather loud for a .22 and the muzzle
flash is usually noticably longer compared to your average .22LR round.
@speranza.aioe.org:
impaired? The stingers tend to be rather loud for a .22 and the muzzle
flash is usually noticably longer compared to your average .22LR round.
misanthrope
May 27, 2012, 10:17:23 PM5/27/12
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On 5/27/2012 1:49 PM, Dustin wrote:
> de...@dudu.org wrote in news:jfa4s75uv78nno7ps...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:01:07 -0600, rbowman<bow...@montana.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> G. Morgan wrote:
...
> de...@dudu.org wrote in news:jfa4s75uv78nno7ps...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:01:07 -0600, rbowman<bow...@montana.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> G. Morgan wrote:
>>>
>>> 10,000 rounds sounds very high. A top USPSA shooter at the club level
>>> may shoot 10,000 a year, and the sponsored Grand Masters might go
>>> through 50,000 round or more. Many, if not most, LEOs just aren't
>>> that interested and outside of the deep pocketed Feds and their
>>> departments really aren't interested in buying that much ammo.
>>>
>>> Maybe the Feds are different. After all they have money (ours) to
>>> burn.
>>
>> I read a report somewhere once that said gang bangers shoot up about
>> 5 times the ammo in practice than do the local police.
>
> practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted 10,000
> rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard shooting after
> work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you consider how many
> boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few minutes. [g]
> every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
>
>
Go to an Appleseed and you will blow thru 2k or more in a weekend.
>>> 10,000 rounds sounds very high. A top USPSA shooter at the club level
>>> may shoot 10,000 a year, and the sponsored Grand Masters might go
>>> through 50,000 round or more. Many, if not most, LEOs just aren't
>>> that interested and outside of the deep pocketed Feds and their
>>> departments really aren't interested in buying that much ammo.
>>>
>>> Maybe the Feds are different. After all they have money (ours) to
>>> burn.
>>
>> I read a report somewhere once that said gang bangers shoot up about
>> 5 times the ammo in practice than do the local police.
>
> practice or having fun target shooting? I won't lie, I've blasted 10,000
> rounds of .22 ammo in a month and a half.. for backyard shooting after
> work and on weekends...It doesn't take long if you consider how many
> boxes of 100pack shells you can empty in a few minutes. [g]
> every ten boxes is a thousand rounds.. hehe
>
>
misanthrope
May 27, 2012, 11:02:53 PM5/27/12
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On 5/27/2012 9:13 PM, Dustin wrote:
> misanthrope<m...@privacy.net> wrote in news:jpumtq$cmp$1
> @speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> On 5/27/2012 1:47 PM, Dustin wrote:
>>> G. Morgan<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
>>> news:37i2s7pgjtrbn64nt...@Osama-Is-Dead.net:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
>>>> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
>>>> am not in a position "in the know".
>>>
>>> That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
>>> at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
>>> infact.
>>>
>>>> a problem with a CCI Stinger or Blazer. I have Dustin to thank
>>>
>>> You're welcome. I love the extra pop they have.
>>>
>>
>> I've recently tried the stingers in my 10/22 and my Mark III, and did
>> not really notice a difference over the regular 22 ammo I normally use.
>>
>
> Which ammo do you regularly use? And, are you hard of hearing or visually
> impaired? The stingers tend to be rather loud for a .22 and the muzzle
> flash is usually noticably longer compared to your average .22LR round.
>
>
Winchester 22 qty 525 in the white box, and I am hearing impaired, plus
> misanthrope<m...@privacy.net> wrote in news:jpumtq$cmp$1
> @speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> On 5/27/2012 1:47 PM, Dustin wrote:
>>> G. Morgan<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
>>> news:37i2s7pgjtrbn64nt...@Osama-Is-Dead.net:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, the same bullets used by regular patrol cops. .40 ACP
>>>> hollow points. 10,000 rounds to qualify? That sounds high, but I
>>>> am not in a position "in the know".
>>>
>>> That's alot of pistol rounds to be sure you can hit what you're aiming
>>> at...without blasting some innocent person or property. Kinda scary
>>> infact.
>>>
>>>> a problem with a CCI Stinger or Blazer. I have Dustin to thank
>>>
>>> You're welcome. I love the extra pop they have.
>>>
>>
>> I've recently tried the stingers in my 10/22 and my Mark III, and did
>> not really notice a difference over the regular 22 ammo I normally use.
>>
>
> Which ammo do you regularly use? And, are you hard of hearing or visually
> impaired? The stingers tend to be rather loud for a .22 and the muzzle
> flash is usually noticably longer compared to your average .22LR round.
>
>
I wear hearing protection.
rbowman
May 27, 2012, 11:31:58 PM5/27/12
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misanthrope wrote:
> Go to an Appleseed and you will blow thru 2k or more in a weekend.
I'm scheduled for one in July, so I guess I'll find out.
> Go to an Appleseed and you will blow thru 2k or more in a weekend.
http://appleseedinfo.org/as_prepare.html
"500 rounds*, minimum, of the same type and brand of ammo if possible (if
you can bring an extra 500 rounds in case time allows for more shooting -
better to have too much than not enough)"
Now, if I could just see those damn 400 yard silouettes...
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rbowman
May 28, 2012, 2:43:36 PM5/28/12
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G. Morgan wrote:
> What is the minimum gauge rifle you can bring?
.22. They promote a Liberty Training Rifle, usually based on a Ruger 10/22
or a Marlin 795 with Tech-Sight aperture sights. I've got a 795. I've got to
do some timing but if I can make the timed fire with a bolt action, I'll
back it up with the XT-22. Actually, I think .17 Mach2 is okay, but .17 HMR
isn't because of the semi-auto safety concerns. I never jumped on either
bandwagon so I'm not sure.
> They say bring a .22 and a 'backup', how are you going to shoot
> 400 yards with a .22?
Most of the course is shot at 25 meters with reduced size targets. The 4/5
section of the 400 yard simulated silhouette is 1 5/8 x 1 1/8. Depending on
my eyes on any given day, the 400 yard blobs are pretty fuzzy with iron
sights.
I'll contact the sponsors for the meet. I'm not sure they'll even have a
real 400 yard course of fire. If so, I'm SOL though I might try it with a
WASR for kicks.
Fred's original setup was very much M1A oriented. However, with M1A's going
for $1500 and the supply of surplus 7.62x51 being pretty dry, they adapted
it for rimfires at 25 meters. You can buy a new Marlin and put on Tech-
Sights or decent scope for less than the cost of a weekend's worth of M1A
fodder. Besides, other than the initial sighting in, I can't bring myself to
blast away at 25 meters with a .30 cal. They have also adapted the scoring
so a .22 hole get's the next higher score if a .30 hole would touch the
line.
I wouldn't want to try 400 yards with .22LR. In fact 100 yards with my usual
CCI Blazers is iffy. They go subsonic again at about 80 odd yards which
doesn't do much for you. I've got to pick up some Wolf Match to play with
but that's getting out of the cheap bulk pack area. I think I have enough
adjustment to do 200 without shimming the scope.
> What is the minimum gauge rifle you can bring?
.22. They promote a Liberty Training Rifle, usually based on a Ruger 10/22
or a Marlin 795 with Tech-Sight aperture sights. I've got a 795. I've got to
do some timing but if I can make the timed fire with a bolt action, I'll
back it up with the XT-22. Actually, I think .17 Mach2 is okay, but .17 HMR
isn't because of the semi-auto safety concerns. I never jumped on either
bandwagon so I'm not sure.
> They say bring a .22 and a 'backup', how are you going to shoot
> 400 yards with a .22?
Most of the course is shot at 25 meters with reduced size targets. The 4/5
section of the 400 yard simulated silhouette is 1 5/8 x 1 1/8. Depending on
my eyes on any given day, the 400 yard blobs are pretty fuzzy with iron
sights.
I'll contact the sponsors for the meet. I'm not sure they'll even have a
real 400 yard course of fire. If so, I'm SOL though I might try it with a
WASR for kicks.
Fred's original setup was very much M1A oriented. However, with M1A's going
for $1500 and the supply of surplus 7.62x51 being pretty dry, they adapted
it for rimfires at 25 meters. You can buy a new Marlin and put on Tech-
Sights or decent scope for less than the cost of a weekend's worth of M1A
fodder. Besides, other than the initial sighting in, I can't bring myself to
blast away at 25 meters with a .30 cal. They have also adapted the scoring
so a .22 hole get's the next higher score if a .30 hole would touch the
line.
I wouldn't want to try 400 yards with .22LR. In fact 100 yards with my usual
CCI Blazers is iffy. They go subsonic again at about 80 odd yards which
doesn't do much for you. I've got to pick up some Wolf Match to play with
but that's getting out of the cheap bulk pack area. I think I have enough
adjustment to do 200 without shimming the scope.
Gunner Asch
May 28, 2012, 3:02:27 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 10:46:38 -0500, G. Morgan
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>I have a Mossberg Plinkster that any ammo will work, but the
>Marlin 60 does not like cheap rounds. I get fail to eject
>sometimes when using cheap bulk ammo with that one. I hate having
>to dig a spent casing out when the gun still has hot ones behind
>it (tube feed). Usually just a pry with a knife does the trick,
>but still unreliable unless I load it with high-quality ammo. For
>me 'unreliable' means any failure out of 100 rounds.
Take a bit of 250-400 grit sand paper (or emery cloth), and slide it
through your jag tip on a short section of cleaning rod. Disassemble the
rifle and insert the jag and 400 grit paper. Now spin it for 30 seconds
with an electric drill motor, moving it gently in and out of the
chamber. Clean with a bit of light oil on a patch, reassemble and shoot.
If it fails to extract again, repeat the polishing. Doesnt take very
much to clean up a 22s chamber. And yes..you CAN spritz the chamber with
Breakfree, Triflow etc etc and shoot it wet. Something you cant do with
centerfires.
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Marlin 60 does not like cheap rounds. I get fail to eject
>sometimes when using cheap bulk ammo with that one. I hate having
>to dig a spent casing out when the gun still has hot ones behind
>it (tube feed). Usually just a pry with a knife does the trick,
>but still unreliable unless I load it with high-quality ammo. For
>me 'unreliable' means any failure out of 100 rounds.
Take a bit of 250-400 grit sand paper (or emery cloth), and slide it
through your jag tip on a short section of cleaning rod. Disassemble the
rifle and insert the jag and 400 grit paper. Now spin it for 30 seconds
with an electric drill motor, moving it gently in and out of the
chamber. Clean with a bit of light oil on a patch, reassemble and shoot.
If it fails to extract again, repeat the polishing. Doesnt take very
much to clean up a 22s chamber. And yes..you CAN spritz the chamber with
Breakfree, Triflow etc etc and shoot it wet. Something you cant do with
centerfires.
misanthrope
May 28, 2012, 3:32:44 PM5/28/12
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On 5/28/2012 10:39 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
to the target is emulated. The target is closer and reduced in size
accordingly.
In the faq it says that you are not limited by refle caliber size.
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_faq.html
> What is the minimum gauge rifle you can bring?
>
>
> They say bring a .22 and a 'backup', how are you going to shoot
> 400 yards with a .22?
>
I have a couple friends that went to one. They said that the distance
> 400 yards with a .22?
>
to the target is emulated. The target is closer and reduced in size
accordingly.
In the faq it says that you are not limited by refle caliber size.
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_faq.html
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Shall not be infringed
May 28, 2012, 4:54:27 PM5/28/12
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On Saturday, May 26, 2012 4:29:52 PM UTC-4, Larry Caldwell wrote:
> In article <cjd2s75pqp0j73u40...@Osama-Is-Dead.net>, sealteam6
> @osama-is-dead.net says...
> >
> > Hisler wrote:
> >
> > >All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
> > >Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
> > >Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
> > >all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
> >
> > My local Academy store has all the ammo I could possibly want. I
> > have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Where is this shortage supposed to be?
>
> This is old news nonsense. The ammunition purchase was for LEO practice and
> duty use. It sounds like a lot, but it's not if you spread it around to the
> whole country. Figure a trainee has to fire 10,000 rounds to qualify and 500
> rounds a month to stay in practice.
Those recruits requiring that much taxpayer resources should be eliminated from the force.
> How many brand new border guards did they
> just hire? 15,000? That's 150 million rounds just to get them qualified.
No, that was the number of new IRS agents needed to find more taxpayer resources to fund Obamacare. And they shouldn't be allowed around guns.
> As for bullets, Hornady and Nosler are both reasonably local to me, and they
> are both still small, family owned companies.
?
> In article <cjd2s75pqp0j73u40...@Osama-Is-Dead.net>, sealteam6
> @osama-is-dead.net says...
> >
> > Hisler wrote:
> >
> > >All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland
> > >Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the
> > >Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up
> > >all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.
> >
> > My local Academy store has all the ammo I could possibly want. I
> > have not noticed any shortage of mil-surp ammo either on the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Where is this shortage supposed to be?
>
> This is old news nonsense. The ammunition purchase was for LEO practice and
> duty use. It sounds like a lot, but it's not if you spread it around to the
> whole country. Figure a trainee has to fire 10,000 rounds to qualify and 500
> rounds a month to stay in practice.
Those recruits requiring that much taxpayer resources should be eliminated from the force.
> How many brand new border guards did they
> just hire? 15,000? That's 150 million rounds just to get them qualified.
No, that was the number of new IRS agents needed to find more taxpayer resources to fund Obamacare. And they shouldn't be allowed around guns.
> As for bullets, Hornady and Nosler are both reasonably local to me, and they
> are both still small, family owned companies.
?
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Gunner Asch
May 28, 2012, 11:20:20 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 14:33:30 -0500, G. Morgan
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>Take a bit of 250-400 grit sand paper (or emery cloth), and slide it
>>through your jag tip on a short section of cleaning rod. Disassemble the
>>rifle and insert the jag and 400 grit paper. Now spin it for 30 seconds
>>with an electric drill motor, moving it gently in and out of the
>>chamber. Clean with a bit of light oil on a patch, reassemble and shoot.
>>If it fails to extract again, repeat the polishing. Doesnt take very
>>much to clean up a 22s chamber. And yes..you CAN spritz the chamber with
>>Breakfree, Triflow etc etc and shoot it wet. Something you cant do with
>>centerfires.
>
>The whole barrel or just the breech?
The whole barrel or ???
If you have sticking cases..you are simply trying to clean up the rough
chamber that is causing the brass to stick to in the barrel.
Polishing the chamber is all you are trying to do. Period. End program
The brass expands when its fired..and seals the bore and lets the
pressure build up..launching the bullet down the barrel. When the
pressure is gone..that brass case is SUPPOSED to shrink a smideon and
easily slide out of the chamber. The only reason in most cases it
doesnt..is a filthy chamber AND a rough chamber wall..IE..the inside of
the chamber is rough and holds onto the brass case. When you polish off
the machining marks..nothing remains to hold in the case.
<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>Take a bit of 250-400 grit sand paper (or emery cloth), and slide it
>>through your jag tip on a short section of cleaning rod. Disassemble the
>>rifle and insert the jag and 400 grit paper. Now spin it for 30 seconds
>>with an electric drill motor, moving it gently in and out of the
>>chamber. Clean with a bit of light oil on a patch, reassemble and shoot.
>>If it fails to extract again, repeat the polishing. Doesnt take very
>>much to clean up a 22s chamber. And yes..you CAN spritz the chamber with
>>Breakfree, Triflow etc etc and shoot it wet. Something you cant do with
>>centerfires.
>
The whole barrel or ???
If you have sticking cases..you are simply trying to clean up the rough
chamber that is causing the brass to stick to in the barrel.
Polishing the chamber is all you are trying to do. Period. End program
The brass expands when its fired..and seals the bore and lets the
pressure build up..launching the bullet down the barrel. When the
pressure is gone..that brass case is SUPPOSED to shrink a smideon and
easily slide out of the chamber. The only reason in most cases it
doesnt..is a filthy chamber AND a rough chamber wall..IE..the inside of
the chamber is rough and holds onto the brass case. When you polish off
the machining marks..nothing remains to hold in the case.
rbowman
May 28, 2012, 11:21:07 PM5/28/12
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G. Morgan wrote:
> I see, thanks. That is a good price for a weekend of training.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think retakes are free until you make rifleman. In
contrast, there is going to be a local pistol competition clinic that's
$395.
> I see, thanks. That is a good price for a weekend of training.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think retakes are free until you make rifleman. In
contrast, there is going to be a local pistol competition clinic that's
$395.
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May 28, 2012, 11:40:57 PM5/28/12
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G. Morgan wrote:
> Do you use Stingers? 1640 fps.
>
Nope. I don't always read or believe the owner's manual, but Marlin says to
stay away from hypervelocity rounds in the 795. My history with Marlin (Camp
9) leads me to think they go a little light on the recoil springs and I see
no reason to beat the action to death. For the Camp 9, I did put in a
heavier Wolff string and a decent buffer from Blackjack's.
The Stingers go subsonic at a hair over 100 yards, which might be an
improvement over the Blazers but not for the price. I'd rather go the other
direction and never go supersonic. If I want a craaaak, I've got other noise
makers. If I want a personal defense round, I've got better choices than a
.22 on steroids too.
> Do you use Stingers? 1640 fps.
>
Nope. I don't always read or believe the owner's manual, but Marlin says to
stay away from hypervelocity rounds in the 795. My history with Marlin (Camp
9) leads me to think they go a little light on the recoil springs and I see
no reason to beat the action to death. For the Camp 9, I did put in a
heavier Wolff string and a decent buffer from Blackjack's.
The Stingers go subsonic at a hair over 100 yards, which might be an
improvement over the Blazers but not for the price. I'd rather go the other
direction and never go supersonic. If I want a craaaak, I've got other noise
makers. If I want a personal defense round, I've got better choices than a
.22 on steroids too.
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