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May 24, 2012, 9:13:02 AM5/24/12
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Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
long now.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
The First Domino Falls in Greece
Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
Analysis
After the last Greek elections rejected austerity and caused a global
uproar, early polling indicates that the next Greek elections —
scheduled for June 17 — will do the same, albeit with more fury.
Greece’s situation is not an isolated event, but a bellwether for the
industrial world and beyond. The fallout from the 2008 global crisis
hasn't reached bottom yet, and the depths will be dug deeper as the
Euro crisis spreads — political crisis will create economic crisis and
vice versa, as periods of calm and stability are replaced by
international turmoil and panic.
The media and politicians have portrayed the Greeks as indolent and
stupid, refusing to swallow the economic medicine needed for a healthy
recovery. But the austerity medicine of the bankers — slashing and
privatizing the public sector, cutting wages and benefits, mass
layoffs, etc. — is a cure that threatens to kill.
What will happen in Greece? Its future was hinted at in the last
elections. The centrist parties were devastated by the reality of
economic extremes; the "middle ground" simply fell out from under
them, since society had been torn asunder by the inequality of the
very rich versus everybody else.
In consequence, the radical left party SYRIZA is polled to come in
first in the next elections, based on its firm stance against
austerity and its uncompromising attitude against the bankers of
Greece and beyond. The corporate politicians wanted SYRIZA to take
part in a "unity government" that would magically rebuild the
country’s lost middle ground and continue the pro-banker austerity
policies.
But unity in an economically polarized country like Greece is
impossible, especially when the continued existence of the bankers and
wealthy rests on the continued suffering of everybody else.
Since unity failed during the last elections, Greek "technocrats" are
now overseeing the government until the next elections. What is a
technocrat? Someone who supposedly lacks any class bias; the
professional strata of professors, lawyers, or doctors that attempt to
sit astride an uneven society perfectly balanced, blind to special
interests, while keeping their sights set on the "national interest.”
But the Greek technocrats are continuing the wealthy's austerity
program, exposing their fake objectivity.
Europe has a long history of unity governments, technocratic
governments, and "national salvation governments" (a fancy, more
alarmist term for a unity government). In every case the status quo
attempts to consolidate itself yet again, trying to muddle through the
crisis by putting forth new politicians that have yet to expose
themselves as corporate puppets.
What will SYRIZA do if it places first in the next election? A left
government could be created — only if the Greek Communist Party agrees
— with a plan to get Greece’s working people out of its current abyss.
But the Greek bankers and EU bank-bought politicians will keep a gun
to the head of a left government, striving to either tame or crush it.
Threats will be made to withdraw European bailout funds if an anti-
austerity path is taken; the wealthy who invest in Greek debt will run
for a safe haven (those who haven't already).
Therefore, the Greek lefts must go "all out;” drastic action is
needed. The Greek banks should be nationalized, which SYRIZA has
already promised to do; the wealth of the rich must be redistributed
through progressive taxation and, where necessary, confiscated (such
"extreme" measures are necessary when there is no wealth to be found
elsewhere).
These extreme solutions are the only answers to the extremity of
austerity. Most importantly, if the Greeks took drastic action against
the corporate class, it would set an example for the world to follow.
People everywhere would be inspired to fix the crisis on the backs of
the wealthy versus working people.
If a left government fails to take drastic action or submits to the
bankers, its popularity will plummet, and the right wing will be
empowered by using the demagoguery of anti-immigration rhetoric. The
Greek Golden Dawn Party (neo-Nazi) used this tactic effectively in the
last election to propel itself into parliament for the first time,
though it is greatly outnumbered by the forces on the left at this
time.
The balance of power lies on the side of the left in Greece: the
working class has been radicalized and will not submit; mass
demonstrations and general strikes have become common place. But power
can fluctuate quickly in times of crisis. Unless the left takes
drastic action in Greece, a long period of political instability is
likely, with the left and right taking turns at power, attempting to
solve the country’s economic and political problems by different
methods that favor different social classes. The right wing will seek
to "tame" the trade unions and implement austerity, the workers will
seek to tame the bankers and the corporations and tax their wealth.
But in a polarized, crisis-plagued country like Greece, a showdown is
inevitable. Stability can only be found when one class is forced to
submit to the other, since there now exist two powers in the country —
corporate power and people power.
It's possible that, after a long period of instability that weakens
the left, the right wing will attempt to impose "stability" through
dictatorship, for the "national interest.” But the army is too weak at
this time and the workers too strong; a premature military move would
likely spark an even harsher response from the workers.
Greek austerity has accelerated the Greek economic crisis, but
austerity is a global problem. It is the bank and corporate answer to
an economic crisis which resulted from their passing their private
debts onto the public purse, while pushing down wages low enough for
these same corporations and banks to regain growth through
"profitability.”
The global crisis is structural in nature — the industrial world has
huge debt with little or no growth. The rich insist growth (profits)
must be made on the backs of the workers, who are being made to work
harder for lower wages, fewer benefits, and fewer social programs.
Therefore, all over the world the media reports that worker's wages
are too high, their benefits too lush; social programs are suddenly
too expensive and must be slashed alongside education, transportation,
and other essentials of a civilized society. Unions and immigrants are
made to be enemies of the public. Yet more and more working people are
coming to the realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed
on those who caused it — the banks and corporations — and they must be
made to pay for it.
long now.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
The First Domino Falls in Greece
Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
Analysis
After the last Greek elections rejected austerity and caused a global
uproar, early polling indicates that the next Greek elections —
scheduled for June 17 — will do the same, albeit with more fury.
Greece’s situation is not an isolated event, but a bellwether for the
industrial world and beyond. The fallout from the 2008 global crisis
hasn't reached bottom yet, and the depths will be dug deeper as the
Euro crisis spreads — political crisis will create economic crisis and
vice versa, as periods of calm and stability are replaced by
international turmoil and panic.
The media and politicians have portrayed the Greeks as indolent and
stupid, refusing to swallow the economic medicine needed for a healthy
recovery. But the austerity medicine of the bankers — slashing and
privatizing the public sector, cutting wages and benefits, mass
layoffs, etc. — is a cure that threatens to kill.
What will happen in Greece? Its future was hinted at in the last
elections. The centrist parties were devastated by the reality of
economic extremes; the "middle ground" simply fell out from under
them, since society had been torn asunder by the inequality of the
very rich versus everybody else.
In consequence, the radical left party SYRIZA is polled to come in
first in the next elections, based on its firm stance against
austerity and its uncompromising attitude against the bankers of
Greece and beyond. The corporate politicians wanted SYRIZA to take
part in a "unity government" that would magically rebuild the
country’s lost middle ground and continue the pro-banker austerity
policies.
But unity in an economically polarized country like Greece is
impossible, especially when the continued existence of the bankers and
wealthy rests on the continued suffering of everybody else.
Since unity failed during the last elections, Greek "technocrats" are
now overseeing the government until the next elections. What is a
technocrat? Someone who supposedly lacks any class bias; the
professional strata of professors, lawyers, or doctors that attempt to
sit astride an uneven society perfectly balanced, blind to special
interests, while keeping their sights set on the "national interest.”
But the Greek technocrats are continuing the wealthy's austerity
program, exposing their fake objectivity.
Europe has a long history of unity governments, technocratic
governments, and "national salvation governments" (a fancy, more
alarmist term for a unity government). In every case the status quo
attempts to consolidate itself yet again, trying to muddle through the
crisis by putting forth new politicians that have yet to expose
themselves as corporate puppets.
What will SYRIZA do if it places first in the next election? A left
government could be created — only if the Greek Communist Party agrees
— with a plan to get Greece’s working people out of its current abyss.
But the Greek bankers and EU bank-bought politicians will keep a gun
to the head of a left government, striving to either tame or crush it.
Threats will be made to withdraw European bailout funds if an anti-
austerity path is taken; the wealthy who invest in Greek debt will run
for a safe haven (those who haven't already).
Therefore, the Greek lefts must go "all out;” drastic action is
needed. The Greek banks should be nationalized, which SYRIZA has
already promised to do; the wealth of the rich must be redistributed
through progressive taxation and, where necessary, confiscated (such
"extreme" measures are necessary when there is no wealth to be found
elsewhere).
These extreme solutions are the only answers to the extremity of
austerity. Most importantly, if the Greeks took drastic action against
the corporate class, it would set an example for the world to follow.
People everywhere would be inspired to fix the crisis on the backs of
the wealthy versus working people.
If a left government fails to take drastic action or submits to the
bankers, its popularity will plummet, and the right wing will be
empowered by using the demagoguery of anti-immigration rhetoric. The
Greek Golden Dawn Party (neo-Nazi) used this tactic effectively in the
last election to propel itself into parliament for the first time,
though it is greatly outnumbered by the forces on the left at this
time.
The balance of power lies on the side of the left in Greece: the
working class has been radicalized and will not submit; mass
demonstrations and general strikes have become common place. But power
can fluctuate quickly in times of crisis. Unless the left takes
drastic action in Greece, a long period of political instability is
likely, with the left and right taking turns at power, attempting to
solve the country’s economic and political problems by different
methods that favor different social classes. The right wing will seek
to "tame" the trade unions and implement austerity, the workers will
seek to tame the bankers and the corporations and tax their wealth.
But in a polarized, crisis-plagued country like Greece, a showdown is
inevitable. Stability can only be found when one class is forced to
submit to the other, since there now exist two powers in the country —
corporate power and people power.
It's possible that, after a long period of instability that weakens
the left, the right wing will attempt to impose "stability" through
dictatorship, for the "national interest.” But the army is too weak at
this time and the workers too strong; a premature military move would
likely spark an even harsher response from the workers.
Greek austerity has accelerated the Greek economic crisis, but
austerity is a global problem. It is the bank and corporate answer to
an economic crisis which resulted from their passing their private
debts onto the public purse, while pushing down wages low enough for
these same corporations and banks to regain growth through
"profitability.”
The global crisis is structural in nature — the industrial world has
huge debt with little or no growth. The rich insist growth (profits)
must be made on the backs of the workers, who are being made to work
harder for lower wages, fewer benefits, and fewer social programs.
Therefore, all over the world the media reports that worker's wages
are too high, their benefits too lush; social programs are suddenly
too expensive and must be slashed alongside education, transportation,
and other essentials of a civilized society. Unions and immigrants are
made to be enemies of the public. Yet more and more working people are
coming to the realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed
on those who caused it — the banks and corporations — and they must be
made to pay for it.
auto...@yahoo.com
May 24, 2012, 4:37:27 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 9:13 am, d...@dudu.org wrote:
> Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
Eat the people first. Eat the animals second. Eat the canned goods
> Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
third.
Stormin Mormon
May 24, 2012, 7:41:12 PM5/24/12
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If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Frank
May 24, 2012, 7:55:21 PM5/24/12
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The problem is simply the socialists ran out of other peoples money.
Stormin Mormon
May 24, 2012, 8:08:05 PM5/24/12
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Wonder how long till this same happens,
in the USA?
"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in the USA?
"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jpmhpb$nki$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
> http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>
> The First Domino Falls in Greece
> Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
> Analysis
>
>
> http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>
> The First Domino Falls in Greece
> Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
> Analysis
>
Stormin Mormon
May 24, 2012, 8:13:30 PM5/24/12
to
Author reveals the bias: "Yet more and more working people are coming to the
regulation.
realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed on those who caused
it — the banks and corporations — and they must be made to pay for it."
Another far left liberal who can't see that the real problem is over
it — the banks and corporations — and they must be made to pay for it."
regulation.
Frank
May 24, 2012, 8:17:39 PM5/24/12
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On 5/24/2012 8:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Wonder how long till this same happens,
> in the USA?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
Already happening in California and several other states are not far behind.
> Wonder how long till this same happens,
> in the USA?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
auto...@yahoo.com
May 24, 2012, 9:38:36 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 8:17 pm, Frank <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/24/2012 8:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> > Wonder how long till this same happens,
> On 5/24/2012 8:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> > Wonder how long till this same happens,
> Already happening in California and several other states are not far behind.
It's already happened. Look at Detroit. Can't even keep the street
lights on and Detroit must be the biggest consumer of fed-bucks. It's
over.
ne...@jecarter.us
May 24, 2012, 9:49:34 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:55:21 -0400, Frank
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 5/24/2012 9:13 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
>> long now.
>>
>>
>> http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>>
>> The First Domino Falls in Greece
>> Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
>> Analysis
>>
{snip]
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 5/24/2012 9:13 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
>> long now.
>>
>>
>> http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>>
>> The First Domino Falls in Greece
>> Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
>> Analysis
>>
>>Yet more and more working people are
>> coming to the realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed
>> on those who caused it — the banks and corporations — and they must be
>> made to pay for it.
>
>
>If that is the way they feel, Greece can kiss its ass goodbye.
>The problem is simply the socialists ran out of other peoples money.
I'm retired and did a 20% cut in withdrawals from my (small) IRA
>> coming to the realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed
>> on those who caused it — the banks and corporations — and they must be
>> made to pay for it.
>
>
>If that is the way they feel, Greece can kiss its ass goodbye.
>The problem is simply the socialists ran out of other peoples money.
during the previous "financial crisis" (popularly known as the
recession).
Looks like I may be doing more of that in the next month or so. Timing
isn't too bad - the house will be paid off this month and we'll only
be dealing with month-to-month expenses (utilities, etc). Wish we
could get a couple years worth of stored supplies (food, medications,
toilet paper, etc) before things get worse. At least I have almost 6
months of my heart medication - and could stretch that some by
watchingmy exertion levels and never getting angry (lots of luck
avoiding anger and exertion as things get worse).
Need to check whether Costco has a good stock of canned meats - the
local grocery does, but good Argentine corned beef is over $5 a can -
however, the Use By date is in 2016, so that's almost a long term
storage food...
rbowman
May 24, 2012, 10:14:06 PM5/24/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and
> If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body."
Matthew 26:26
Seems there is some precedent.
Rockinghorse Winner
May 25, 2012, 3:11:42 AM5/25/12
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* It may have been the liquor talking, but
any empirical test. Conversely, eating a Big Mac is not 'animal sacrifice.'
Surely, you're not making a moral equivalence between the 'Christian Seder'
and actually slaughtering and eating a human being, are you?
Do you know what a sacrament is? Are you aware of what the sacrifice of the
Eucharist is? Are you aware that it is a reenactment of a sacrifice that
took place 2000 years ago, and not a new act?
Cannibalism _may_ in a certain sense be said to _anticipate_ Christianity,
in the same way, say, Greek mythology _anticipated_ it, or the way Judaism
does. That is not the same as saying that Christianity is _nothing but_ a
new form of those things. No one would say, christianity is just a jewish
sect, would they?
In the same way, the eucharist is different enough from cannibalism to merit
a different designation; in fact it is through the belief that humanity is
sacred that cannibalism is viewed with disgust.
Terry
--
"For I would ride with you upon the wind, |/
Run on the top of the dishevelled tide, |/ Gentoo Linux
And dance upon the mountains like a flame." |/
-Yeats |/
rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>> If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
>
> "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and
> giving it to his disciples said, ???Take and eat; this is my body."
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>> If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
>
> "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and
>
> Matthew 26:26
>
> Seems there is some precedent.
>
Eating bread and drinking wine in a mystic celebration is not cannibalism by
> Matthew 26:26
>
> Seems there is some precedent.
>
any empirical test. Conversely, eating a Big Mac is not 'animal sacrifice.'
Surely, you're not making a moral equivalence between the 'Christian Seder'
and actually slaughtering and eating a human being, are you?
Do you know what a sacrament is? Are you aware of what the sacrifice of the
Eucharist is? Are you aware that it is a reenactment of a sacrifice that
took place 2000 years ago, and not a new act?
Cannibalism _may_ in a certain sense be said to _anticipate_ Christianity,
in the same way, say, Greek mythology _anticipated_ it, or the way Judaism
does. That is not the same as saying that Christianity is _nothing but_ a
new form of those things. No one would say, christianity is just a jewish
sect, would they?
In the same way, the eucharist is different enough from cannibalism to merit
a different designation; in fact it is through the belief that humanity is
sacred that cannibalism is viewed with disgust.
Terry
--
"For I would ride with you upon the wind, |/
Run on the top of the dishevelled tide, |/ Gentoo Linux
And dance upon the mountains like a flame." |/
-Yeats |/
Gemini Jackson
May 25, 2012, 9:24:41 AM5/25/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 20:13:30 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Author reveals the bias: "Yet more and more working people are coming to the
>realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed on those who caused
>it — the banks and corporations — and they must be made to pay for it."
>
>Another far left liberal who can't see that the real problem is over
>regulation.
You're a fool if you think you can trust wall street and the various
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Author reveals the bias: "Yet more and more working people are coming to the
>realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed on those who caused
>it — the banks and corporations — and they must be made to pay for it."
>
>Another far left liberal who can't see that the real problem is over
>regulation.
other markets to self-regulate and be honest. Regulations are
necessary, but need to be held at a minimum. Just enough to allow the
free market to thrive, but not so restrictive as to interfere with
honest business.
-gj
Frank
May 25, 2012, 12:53:25 PM5/25/12
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Stormin Mormon
May 25, 2012, 1:14:23 PM5/25/12
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Wheel barrows full of Obamarks, instead?
That would be interesting to see.
That would be interesting to see.
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Frank
May 25, 2012, 1:55:17 PM5/25/12
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After all, Carter was the better president ;)
Stormin Mormon
May 25, 2012, 2:38:02 PM5/25/12
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Careful.... the libs will call you a racist. But, that opens the question.
Carter or Obama?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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Carter or Obama?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
On 5/25/2012 1:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Wheel barrows full of Obamarks, instead?
>
>
> Wheel barrows full of Obamarks, instead?
>
>
rbowman
May 25, 2012, 8:57:07 PM5/25/12
to
Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
> Do you know what a sacrament is? Are you aware of what the sacrifice of
> the Eucharist is? Are you aware that it is a reenactment of a sacrifice
> that took place 2000 years ago, and not a new act?
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm
> Do you know what a sacrament is? Are you aware of what the sacrifice of
> the Eucharist is? Are you aware that it is a reenactment of a sacrifice
> that took place 2000 years ago, and not a new act?
So you do not believe in the Real Presence of the body and blood of Christ
in the species of the bread and wine after consecration?
Winston_Smith
May 25, 2012, 9:55:14 PM5/25/12
to
On Fri, 25 May 2012 00:11:42 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
>rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>>> If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
>>
>> "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and
>> giving it to his disciples said, ???Take and eat; this is my body."
>>
>> Matthew 26:26
>>
>> Seems there is some precedent.
>
>Eating bread and drinking wine in a mystic celebration is not cannibalism by
>any empirical test. Conversely, eating a Big Mac is not 'animal sacrifice.'
>Surely, you're not making a moral equivalence between the 'Christian Seder'
>and actually slaughtering and eating a human being, are you?
>
>Do you know what a sacrament is? Are you aware of what the sacrifice of the
>Eucharist is? Are you aware that it is a reenactment of a sacrifice that
>took place 2000 years ago, and not a new act?
Read "The Golden Bough" by Frazer. The sacrifice of the king was old
>rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>>> If you do, the merciful God in Heaven will hold you acanibal.
>>
>> "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and
>> giving it to his disciples said, ???Take and eat; this is my body."
>>
>> Matthew 26:26
>>
>> Seems there is some precedent.
>
>Eating bread and drinking wine in a mystic celebration is not cannibalism by
>any empirical test. Conversely, eating a Big Mac is not 'animal sacrifice.'
>Surely, you're not making a moral equivalence between the 'Christian Seder'
>and actually slaughtering and eating a human being, are you?
>
>Do you know what a sacrament is? Are you aware of what the sacrifice of the
>Eucharist is? Are you aware that it is a reenactment of a sacrifice that
>took place 2000 years ago, and not a new act?
and universal before Christ, probably before Jews which spawned
Christ.
>Cannibalism _may_ in a certain sense be said to _anticipate_ Christianity,
>in the same way, say, Greek mythology _anticipated_ it, or the way Judaism
>does.
symbolism and holidays from competing religions as they could so they
would be familiar to converted believers. This is then explained by
saying how everything is really new and nothing like those other guys
that do the same thing.
>That is not the same as saying that Christianity is _nothing but_ a
>new form of those things. No one would say, christianity is just a jewish
>sect, would they?
>In the same way, the eucharist is different enough from cannibalism to merit
>a different designation;
yours.
>in fact it is through the belief that humanity is
>sacred that cannibalism is viewed with disgust.
burned at the stake, etc. and it's just fine.
Shall not be infringed
May 25, 2012, 10:09:02 PM5/25/12
to
rbowman
May 25, 2012, 10:09:54 PM5/25/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Careful.... the libs will call you a racist. But, that opens the question.
> Carter or Obama?
There are similarities. Both would have been better off to have thrown the
> Careful.... the libs will call you a racist. But, that opens the question.
> Carter or Obama?
election and let the Republicans fix what they broke.
Shall not be infringed
May 25, 2012, 10:13:17 PM5/25/12
to
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:08:05 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Wonder how long till this same happens,
> in the USA?
Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
> Wonder how long till this same happens,
> in the USA?
Winston_Smith
May 25, 2012, 10:18:40 PM5/25/12
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every president has regardless of party or ideology has. Print it.
These days you don't even have to mess with ink and paper. Just write
yourself a bad check, stick it in the treasury, and pretend it's good.
Majick - money in the bank. Computer's already set up to do it. Just
put in how much you want and press return.
Rockinghorse Winner
May 26, 2012, 1:18:10 AM5/26/12
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* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 3:13:47 AM5/26/12
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can all turn into if we are careless. And leave too many leftwingers
alive.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=detroit
I used to spend a lot..a lot of time in Detroit.
Its no longer a city..but the worlds biggest disaster zone.
Ive got a cousin that bought 2 full city blocks of downtown Detroit..and
bulldozed it flat..and is now farming. 8 blocks from the heart of
downtown.
I think he bought the 2 city blocks for something like $30k
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Stormin Mormon
May 26, 2012, 6:47:21 AM5/26/12
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I didn't think it was broken. I started my business during the Reagan years,
and things were fine. The phone rang, I had business, and life was good.
Much same, under Bush II. Nothing needed fixing.
"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
news:a2asbk...@mid.individual.net...
and things were fine. The phone rang, I had business, and life was good.
Much same, under Bush II. Nothing needed fixing.
"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
May 26, 2012, 6:48:26 AM5/26/12
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That concept of "tax money away from those who work, and give it to those
who don't work" is going to kill the USA. Already nearly has.
I hope Obama fails.
"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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who don't work" is going to kill the USA. Already nearly has.
I hope Obama fails.
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Shall not be infringed
May 26, 2012, 9:53:35 AM5/26/12
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Offbreed
May 26, 2012, 11:25:41 AM5/26/12
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On May 24, 5:13 am, d...@dudu.org wrote:
> Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
> long now.
>
> http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>
> The First Domino Falls in Greece
> Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
> Analysis.
> Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
> long now.
>
> http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>
> The First Domino Falls in Greece
> Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:26 By Shamus Cooke, Counter Currents | News
...
> and other essentials of a civilized society. Unions and immigrants are
> made to be enemies of the public. Yet more and more working people are
> coming to the realization that the blame for the crisis must be placed
> on those who caused it — the banks and corporations — and they must be
> made to pay for it.
Immigrants are more a symptom than a disease, and they are sometimes
> on those who caused it — the banks and corporations — and they must be
> made to pay for it.
used as tools or scape goats by the ones creating the problems.
Unions are big business, and the ones I know are criminal
organizations in effect if not for violating specific laws.
Greece has a culture of corruption that reaches down to the working
people level due to the amount of corruption in politics. The workers
have to be corrupt in order to have enough money for their day by day
needs, and they are very happy to "put the screws to the man". Greece
is going to have to take the same route alcoholics take for reform
(out the bottom), and for the same reasons.
Banks generally play by the rules available. Big time investors like
Soros buy politicians and have the rules changed to suit themselves.
Those big time investors, and the really old money types (the ones who
regard the next lower level who accept their names being in the paper
for birth, marriage, and death as publicity hounds, so no one knows
who they are) make up a damn sight less than 1% of the population.
More like 0.0001% of the population (if we include their families). I
base that estimate on how many top predators there can be, and how
many close kin they probably have, unless they are killing their
culls.
rbowman
May 26, 2012, 4:37:39 PM5/26/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I didn't think it was broken. I started my business during the Reagan
> years, and things were fine. The phone rang, I had business, and life was
> good. Much same, under Bush II. Nothing needed fixing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't John McCain take some time off from his
> I didn't think it was broken. I started my business during the Reagan
> years, and things were fine. The phone rang, I had business, and life was
> good. Much same, under Bush II. Nothing needed fixing.
campaign to return to Washington in a futile attempt to fix the trainwreck?
Wasn't George W. Bush president at that point?
Didn't Clinton defeat George H. W. Bush with the phrase 'It's the economy,
stupid.'
Selective memory us a grand thing.
Stormin Mormon
May 26, 2012, 7:23:54 PM5/26/12
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I don't remember about McSame.
I think that TARP was stupid, and Patriot Act removed a lot of freedoms.
But, as to "economic train wreck", I don't think that's accurate. We were
fine, under Bush.
Yes, the quote is accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid
Obama and the dems have spend more trillions of deficit than any other team.
We had stable economy under W-II and the Reps, and then we have
unemployment, over reguation and deficit spending under Oh Bomb Us and the
Dems.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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I think that TARP was stupid, and Patriot Act removed a lot of freedoms.
But, as to "economic train wreck", I don't think that's accurate. We were
fine, under Bush.
Yes, the quote is accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid
Obama and the dems have spend more trillions of deficit than any other team.
We had stable economy under W-II and the Reps, and then we have
unemployment, over reguation and deficit spending under Oh Bomb Us and the
Dems.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
rbowman
May 26, 2012, 10:22:19 PM5/26/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> We had stable economy under W-II and the Reps, and then we have
> unemployment, over reguation and deficit spending under Oh Bomb Us and the
> Dems.
>
Just a memory jog from the way back machine, way back in 2008 that is:
> We had stable economy under W-II and the Reps, and then we have
> unemployment, over reguation and deficit spending under Oh Bomb Us and the
> Dems.
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/05/bush-very-concerned-over-
_n_148724.html
I wouldn't want to embarrass anyone by rooting around in UseNet archives for
posters trumpeting "The fundamentals are sound." while the fundament washed
away from an attempt to promote the 'ownership society' and the waging of
unwinnable wars.
"We're creating... an ownership society in this country, where more
Americans than ever will be able to open up their door where they live and
say, welcome to my house, welcome to my piece of property. - President
George W. Bush, October 2004"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership_society
Eight years later many Americans can say "Welcome to my piece of property
that's so far underwater I shave to shovel the whale shit off the roof."
Of course, along with his poor decisions, Bush II inherited the time bomb
called the 'Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999' that gave the
'too-big-to-fail' bankers permission to play three card monte. I guess they
didn't learn much from the S&L meltdown of the Reagan/Bush era.
Winston_Smith
May 27, 2012, 2:05:18 AM5/27/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 06:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
Besides the predecessor did it first.
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 25, 2012 10:18:40 PM UTC-4, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:08:05 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> >> Wonder how long till this same happens,
>> >> in the USA?
>> >
>> >Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
>>
>> Same place he did last time. Same place Bush did. Same place almost
>> every president has regardless of party or ideology has. Print it.
>> These days you don't even have to mess with ink and paper. Just write
>> yourself a bad check, stick it in the treasury, and pretend it's good.
>> Majick - money in the bank. Computer's already set up to do it. Just
>> put in how much you want and press return.
>
>I guess we're going to party like it's 1999.
Hey, it works every time. Until it doesn't work. Then "who knew".
>On Friday, May 25, 2012 10:18:40 PM UTC-4, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:08:05 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> >> Wonder how long till this same happens,
>> >> in the USA?
>> >
>> >Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
>>
>> Same place he did last time. Same place Bush did. Same place almost
>> every president has regardless of party or ideology has. Print it.
>> These days you don't even have to mess with ink and paper. Just write
>> yourself a bad check, stick it in the treasury, and pretend it's good.
>> Majick - money in the bank. Computer's already set up to do it. Just
>> put in how much you want and press return.
>
>I guess we're going to party like it's 1999.
Besides the predecessor did it first.
Winston_Smith
May 27, 2012, 2:07:44 AM5/27/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 06:48:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:
>>"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>On Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:08:05 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Wonder how long till this same happens,
>>> in the USA?
>>
>>Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
>>
>>> Wonder how long till this same happens,
>>> in the USA?
>>
>>Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
>>
>That concept of "tax money away from those who work, and give it to those
>who don't work" is going to kill the USA. Already nearly has.
If giving away tax money was the biggest fiscal problem, it would be a
>who don't work" is going to kill the USA. Already nearly has.
great improvement. Your appreciation of the gravity of the situation
is lost in your need to hurl political cliches.
auto...@yahoo.com
May 27, 2012, 12:26:29 PM5/27/12
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IT'S ON!!!! GRAB YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CHOW!
Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was ‘eating’ face
off victim
It was a scene as creepy as a Hannibal Lecter movie.
One man was shot to death by Miami police, and another man is fighting
for his life after he was attacked, and his face allegedly half eaten,
by a naked man on the MacArthur Causeway off ramp Saturday, police
said.
The horror began about 2 p.m. when a series of gunshots were heard on
the ramp, which is along NE 13th Street, just south of The Miami
Herald building.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy
Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was ‘eating’ face
off victim
It was a scene as creepy as a Hannibal Lecter movie.
One man was shot to death by Miami police, and another man is fighting
for his life after he was attacked, and his face allegedly half eaten,
by a naked man on the MacArthur Causeway off ramp Saturday, police
said.
The horror began about 2 p.m. when a series of gunshots were heard on
the ramp, which is along NE 13th Street, just south of The Miami
Herald building.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy
Dustin
May 27, 2012, 2:57:22 PM5/27/12
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auto...@yahoo.com wrote in
news:fb938bcf-e67b-4484...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by,
and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
news:fb938bcf-e67b-4484...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>> On 5/24/2012 8:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> > Wonder how long till this same happens,
>
>
>>
>> > Wonder how long till this same happens,
>
>
>> Already happening in California and several other states are not far
>> behi
> nd.
>
>
> It's already happened. Look at Detroit. Can't even keep the street
> lights on and Detroit must be the biggest consumer of fed-bucks.
> It's over.
>
cant keep the street lights on? What? fork urls
>> behi
> nd.
>
>
> It's already happened. Look at Detroit. Can't even keep the street
> lights on and Detroit must be the biggest consumer of fed-bucks.
> It's over.
>
--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by,
and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
Stormin Mormon
May 27, 2012, 3:02:11 PM5/27/12
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New meaning to "who are we having for dinner, honey?"
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Winston_Smith
May 27, 2012, 4:06:32 PM5/27/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 07:13:02 -0600, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>The First Domino Falls in Greece
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/90b3aaae-a818-11e1-b8a9-00144feabdc0.html
>http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>The First Domino Falls in Greece
Spain is considering directly injecting its own government debt into
BFA-Bankia to help fund the stricken lender's €19bn nationalisation,
in an attempt to sidestep borrowing money directly from the bond
markets.
Heard on the radio that BFA is the fourth largest Spainish bank. I
wonder about the condition of the bigger three. It's also the second
go around on bailouts for them.
WS
Winston_Smith
May 27, 2012, 8:37:27 PM5/27/12
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>Get ready.... it's coming... hope y'all are prepared. It won't be
>long now.
>
>long now.
>
>http://truth-out.org/news/item/9335-the-first-domino-falls-in-greece
>The First Domino Falls in Greece
From: qlri...@gmail.com
>The First Domino Falls in Greece
Newsgroups: misc.survivalism
Subject: Rockabye Baby
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012
Message-ID: 3f647609-033b-4566...@googlegroups.com
I was reading the financial news this morning, and found some
interesting factoids. I have thought for a long time that the collapse
of the US economic system was inevitable, and that would take the rest
of the world down with it.
Take a look at the published derivatives to asset ratios at major US
banks and start to worry.
" JP Morgan 35:1
" Citibank 40:1
" BoA 32:1
" Goldman Sachs 450:1
The average across the major US banks' office is roughly 25:1.
And bear in mind these ratios have much more profound consequences
than a few rich folks failing to get the greedy IPO returns they were
expecting. A tiny percentile degree of calling in such obligations
would result in the US banking system being flattened.
A 0.25% realization of Goldman's crazy exposure would wipe out its
assets. A 3% realization would take JPM, Citibank, and Bank of America
off the table along with pretty much the entire global banking system.
I do hope I didn't spoil your digestion for Tuesday night out. But
equally, I do hope just a few of you who don't understand what's
happening in the market might pull their fingers out of their ears and
get real.
terryc
May 27, 2012, 11:14:18 PM5/27/12
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On 28/05/12 05:02, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> New meaning to "who are we having for dinner, honey?"
http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/LETS-EAT-GRANDMA-LETS-EAT-GRANDMA-PUNCTUATION-SAVES-LIVES-T-SHIRT-P13163.aspx
> New meaning to "who are we having for dinner, honey?"
book...@yahoo.com
May 28, 2012, 12:14:48 AM5/28/12
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>On May 24, 8:17�pm, Frank <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/24/2012 8:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> > Wonder how long till this same happens,
>
>
>> Already happening in California and several other states are not far behind.
>
>
>It's already happened. Look at Detroit. Can't even keep the street
>lights on and Detroit must be the biggest consumer of fed-bucks. It's
>over.
I understand for Greeks the issue comes down to whether they'll accept
>> On 5/24/2012 8:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> > Wonder how long till this same happens,
>
>
>> Already happening in California and several other states are not far behind.
>
>
>It's already happened. Look at Detroit. Can't even keep the street
>lights on and Detroit must be the biggest consumer of fed-bucks. It's
>over.
more taxes to pay off more debt. If it was me, I think I'd say, NO,
because that's simply more tax payers enabling government corruption.
Even in the US, for me today, I greatly resent paying any taxes at all
and would like to do without government. Don't want fire to burn you
out, then build that way, not have to pay city, county, state, federal
taxes, forever, then have them enter your property and search, harass
you, etc..
Sorry, but as a Vietnam era draftee in the US Army, I also resent
being forced to serve this lying government, now cordially loathed
around the world. That's my memorial. bookburn
Hisler
May 28, 2012, 11:44:51 AM5/28/12
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On 5/27/2012 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> <auto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5f4b9ed3-e4f9-4cbc...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> IT'S ON!!!! GRAB YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CHOW!
>
>
> Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was ‘eating’ face
> off victim
>
> It was a scene as creepy as a Hannibal Lecter movie.
>
> One man was shot to death by Miami police, and another man is fighting
> for his life after he was attacked, and his face allegedly half eaten,
> by a naked man on the MacArthur Causeway off ramp Saturday, police
> said.
>
> The horror began about 2 p.m. when a series of gunshots were heard on
> the ramp, which is along NE 13th Street, just south of The Miami
> Herald building.
>
> Read more here:
> http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy
>
> <auto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5f4b9ed3-e4f9-4cbc...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> IT'S ON!!!! GRAB YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CHOW!
>
>
> Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was ‘eating’ face
> off victim
>
> It was a scene as creepy as a Hannibal Lecter movie.
>
> One man was shot to death by Miami police, and another man is fighting
> for his life after he was attacked, and his face allegedly half eaten,
> by a naked man on the MacArthur Causeway off ramp Saturday, police
> said.
>
> The horror began about 2 p.m. when a series of gunshots were heard on
> the ramp, which is along NE 13th Street, just south of The Miami
> Herald building.
>
> Read more here:
> http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy
>
> > New meaning to "who are we having for dinner, honey?"
The Japanese have term for it, it's called "losing face."
Nicholas
May 28, 2012, 12:23:46 PM5/28/12
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Shall not be infringed
May 28, 2012, 5:06:27 PM5/28/12
to bow...@montana.com
On Saturday, May 26, 2012 4:37:39 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> > I didn't think it was broken. I started my business during the Reagan
> > years, and things were fine. The phone rang, I had business, and life was
> > good. Much same, under Bush II. Nothing needed fixing.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't John McCain take some time off from his
> campaign to return to Washington in a futile attempt to fix the trainwreck?
> Wasn't George W. Bush president at that point?
I think Obama got there first and GW reached across the aisle.
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> > I didn't think it was broken. I started my business during the Reagan
> > years, and things were fine. The phone rang, I had business, and life was
> > good. Much same, under Bush II. Nothing needed fixing.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't John McCain take some time off from his
> campaign to return to Washington in a futile attempt to fix the trainwreck?
> Wasn't George W. Bush president at that point?
Shall not be infringed
May 28, 2012, 5:13:15 PM5/28/12
to inv...@butterfly.net
Yet is is grossly dwarfed by Obama's excessive spending.
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Shall not be infringed
Jun 12, 2012, 9:10:22 PM6/12/12
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On Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, Winston_Smith wrote:
> until you see what the next guy does - Obama or Romney.
FDR
> Shall not be infringed wrote:
> >On Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:05:18 AM UTC-4, Winston_Smith wrote:
> >On Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:05:18 AM UTC-4, Winston_Smith wrote:
> >> On Sat, 26 May 2012 06:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed wrote:
>
> >> >> >Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same place he did last time. Same place Bush did. Same place almost
> >> >> every president has regardless of party or ideology has. Print it.
> >> >> These days you don't even have to mess with ink and paper. Just write
> >> >> yourself a bad check, stick it in the treasury, and pretend it's good.
> >> >> Majick - money in the bank. Computer's already set up to do it. Just
> >> >> put in how much you want and press return.
> >> >
> >> >I guess we're going to party like it's 1999.
> >>
> >> Hey, it works every time. Until it doesn't work. Then "who knew".
> >> Besides the predecessor did it first.
> >
> >As if you haven't been told by me that Bush's spending was excessive?
> >Yet is is grossly dwarfed by Obama's excessive spending.
>
> Now question about that. The danger of setting precedents. Wait
>
> >> >> >Obama wants more stimulus money. Don't know where he's going to get that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same place he did last time. Same place Bush did. Same place almost
> >> >> every president has regardless of party or ideology has. Print it.
> >> >> These days you don't even have to mess with ink and paper. Just write
> >> >> yourself a bad check, stick it in the treasury, and pretend it's good.
> >> >> Majick - money in the bank. Computer's already set up to do it. Just
> >> >> put in how much you want and press return.
> >> >
> >> >I guess we're going to party like it's 1999.
> >>
> >> Hey, it works every time. Until it doesn't work. Then "who knew".
> >> Besides the predecessor did it first.
> >
> >As if you haven't been told by me that Bush's spending was excessive?
> >Yet is is grossly dwarfed by Obama's excessive spending.
>
> until you see what the next guy does - Obama or Romney.
FDR
Winston_Smith
Jun 12, 2012, 9:21:21 PM6/12/12
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Shall not be infringed
Jun 15, 2012, 8:13:36 PM6/15/12
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Isn't that where you strayed off to?
Winston_Smith
Jun 15, 2012, 8:18:41 PM6/15/12
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:13:36 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The troll trundles on.
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The troll trundles on.
Shall not be infringed
Jun 15, 2012, 8:46:15 PM6/15/12
to inv...@butterfly.net
Cry, cry, cry.
Stormin Mormon
Jun 15, 2012, 10:17:36 PM6/15/12
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Any guess if the Greece economy is going to make a mess, in the USA?
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