> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:46:03 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, November 9, 2012 9:10:33 PM UTC-5, terryc wrote:
>>> My 2c is that the drug companies are behind it. They want India to stop
>>> the cheap/free copies they are distributing of their drugs so they can
>>> gouge the people of India even more.
>> Putting in your 2c has bankrupted you.
>> How can they be gouged "even more" if they are violating patents as you claim?
>> How is this possible?
> Easy, the government of India, desperate for aid, puts their foot on
> the illicit drug makers. Without them, "official" drugs are all that's
> available and they get their price.
> Naturally, it then just goes underground or moves to another country.
Not illicit, legal in India. In Australia, after the patents expire, any company can produce the item and many do. Gives real competition, but isn't liked by the bit drug companies.
<newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>On 13/11/12 06:36, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:46:03 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
>> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 9, 2012 9:10:33 PM UTC-5, terryc wrote:
>>>> My 2c is that the drug companies are behind it. They want India to stop
>>>> the cheap/free copies they are distributing of their drugs so they can
>>>> gouge the people of India even more.
>>> Putting in your 2c has bankrupted you.
>>> How can they be gouged "even more" if they are violating patents as you claim?
>>> How is this possible?
>> Easy, the government of India, desperate for aid, puts their foot on
>> the illicit drug makers. Without them, "official" drugs are all that's
>> available and they get their price.
>> Naturally, it then just goes underground or moves to another country.
>Not illicit, legal in India. In Australia, after the patents expire, any >company can produce the item and many do. Gives real competition, but >isn't liked by the bit drug companies.
OK, badly stated. It's seen as illicit/illegal by UK drug company
standards and hurts their bottom line.
I'm not sure how violating a patent can be legal if the two countries
have any sort of defined trade agreements. It's much like Hollywood
being upset about movie and music pirating in China but I bet the
Chinese government isn't too concerned. I would think the UK and a
former commonwealth/colony/whatever it was would be a lot tighter
linked than the US and China.
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 12:25:00 -0600, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 11:29:51 -0500, The Daring Dufas
><the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>>On 11/3/2012 10:15 AM, Home Guy wrote:
>>> deep wrote:
>>>>> Because we're not committing economic and financial suicide like
>>>>> you are.
>>>> Oh yea, you are. This one is going global, there neighbor.
>>> It already is global - has been for a year or two. Except here in
>>> Canada.
>>> If it's not here now, it's not going to be.
>>>> but don't think for one second if the fascists get in charge here
>>> IF?
>>> The fascists have been in charge of your country since 2000.
>>>> they won't be rolling northward to take the last of what you have.
>>> You tried that in 1812 and it didn't work then. You got your ass
>>> kicked.
>>We didn't have nukes back then. ^_^
>And we got these cool stealthy little fighter jets that could fly
>across the border and flow up all their hockey arenas and they'd never
>know what hit 'em doncha know.
It might be against the Geneva Convention (inhumane warfare) but take
out their national curling team and a brewery or two and they'll be
done.
<the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>On 11/3/2012 11:43 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>> Gunner wrote:
>>>> The fascists have been in charge of your country since 2000.
>>>>> they won't be rolling northward to take the last of what you have.
>>>> You tried that in 1812 and it didn't work then. You got your ass
>>>> kicked.
>>> We certainly did. And there were far more Canadians than Yanks in
>>> 1812.
>>> Care to try for a rematch?
>> If you try it again - China's got our back next time.
>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>> premium for it.
>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>> you?)
>Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the >time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
WTF would China want with that God-forsaken tundra?
>On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:56:41 -0600, The Daring Dufas
><the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>>On 11/4/2012 6:36 AM, Home Guy wrote:
>>> harry wrote:
>>>>> Care to try for a rematch?
>>>> Heh Heh, You couldn't even beat a bunch of clothheads in Afghanistan.
>>> Good point. They're called rag-heads over here.
>>> The idiocy of suggesting that the US would threaten Canada with nukes.
>>> Would you really be that depraved of a country to do that? (don't
>>> answer that...)
>>> You'd have to put boots on the ground. And just remember we've got some
>>> of the best military sharp-shooters in the world. And because we're a
>>> NATO member country, there are some friends we'd call on (and just
>>> remember that the UK has nukes).
>>You must be suffering from H.I.S.I., pronounced "hissy". It stands for
>>(H)umor (I)rony (S)arcasm (I)mpairment. People with that particular
>>mental disease are said to have H.I.S.I. fits and often put on a big
>>display of pseudo-intellectualism about the subject at hand when they
>>fail to see the humor or bizarreness of statements made by someone who
>>is attempting to pull their leg. It's also called The Mr. Data response >>in some circles. ^_^
>>TDD
>The dude is probably French Canadian. They have zero sense of humor.
>Mutants deported from France to try to improve the blood lines of
>those remaining in France. The culls so to speak.
When the French Canadians' ancestors were kicked out of France, it
doubled the IQ of both countries.
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:19 +1100, terryc
> <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On 13/11/12 06:36, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:46:03 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
>>> Easy, the government of India, desperate for aid, puts their foot on
>>> the illicit drug makers. Without them, "official" drugs are all that's
>>> available and they get their price.
>>> Naturally, it then just goes underground or moves to another country.
>> Not illicit, legal in India. In Australia, after the patents expire, any
>> company can produce the item and many do. Gives real competition, but
>> isn't liked by the bit drug companies.
> OK, badly stated. It's seen as illicit/illegal by UK drug company
> standards and hurts their bottom line.
> I'm not sure how violating a patent can be legal if the two countries
> have any sort of defined trade agreements.
Patents are country specific. Given the respect not shown to many other countries patents by the USA, i don't think it is a strong obstacle.
> It's much like Hollywood
> being upset about movie and music pirating in China but I bet the
> Chinese government isn't too concerned.
I do not draw a parallel with the actions of Hollywood and the like mind of mobsters.
> I would think the UK and a
> former commonwealth/colony/whatever it was would be a lot tighter
> linked than the US and China.
Umm, think again, this is India where love of the mother country extinguished in a fierce way. They have billion(s) of people who will riot as they have SFA to loose. When the type of people who make 5c/day sorting garbage way out number the other types, you really do not want mass rioting.
terryc wrote:
> Patents are country specific. Given the respect not shown to many other
> countries patents by the USA, i don't think it is a strong obstacle.
Back when the US was just a young country, it would steal a hot stove if it could. The British bitched long and loud about the complete disrespect for patents and copyrights by the American manufacturers and publishers. What goes around...
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:13:24 -0500, The Daring Dufas
> <the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 11:43 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>> The fascists have been in charge of your country since 2000.
>>>>>> they won't be rolling northward to take the last of what you have.
>>>>> You tried that in 1812 and it didn't work then. You got your ass
>>>>> kicked.
>>>> We certainly did. And there were far more Canadians than Yanks in
>>>> 1812.
>>>> Care to try for a rematch?
>>> If you try it again - China's got our back next time.
>>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>>> premium for it.
>>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>>> you?)
>> Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the
>> time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
> WTF would China want with that God-forsaken tundra?
<the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>On 11/12/2012 7:37 PM, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:13:24 -0500, The Daring Dufas
>> <the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 11:43 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>>> The fascists have been in charge of your country since 2000.
>>>>>>> they won't be rolling northward to take the last of what you have.
>>>>>> You tried that in 1812 and it didn't work then. You got your ass
>>>>>> kicked.
>>>>> We certainly did. And there were far more Canadians than Yanks in
>>>>> 1812.
>>>>> Care to try for a rematch?
>>>> If you try it again - China's got our back next time.
>>>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>>>> premium for it.
>>>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>>>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>>>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>>>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>>>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>>>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>>>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>>>> you?)
>>> Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the
>>> time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
>> WTF would China want with that God-forsaken tundra?
>>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>>> premium for it.
>>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>>> you?)
>>Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the
>>time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
That is more real than you intended. In my corner of Canada, the Chinese population is about 50% and growing. Entire shopping malls are taken over by them without an English word anywhere in the mall.
On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:43:00 -0400, Home Guy <H...@Guy.com> wrote:
>Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>we'll be exporting our oil to China.
90% of the Middle East oil goes to China. The US gets part of the
remaining 10%. Canada will be a minor supplier to them. And probably
become dependant on them for income.
Most of the US energy is indeed domestically produced, principally
from gas at the moment. With new sources coming on line, we should be
net energy exporters in a few years.
>All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>and meanwhile China is open for business.
Energy independence and the economy are not the same issue. Granted,
high energy consumption is linked to an active economy, but energy is
in no way causing The Great Recession. In fact your great Chinese
economy is very dependent on what is to them foreign oil.
>They've already got a few of
>our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>you?)
We told them to build them in an earthquake zone that was subject to
tsunamis did we? We told them to install a backup system incapable of
shutdown in an earthquake did we? We told them not to upgrade it did
we? We told them to claim it was great and lie about the shoddy
condition did we? Damn, we be bad.
Your blind hatred keeps you from seeing simple facts and makes you
look like an idiot. Great image you are presenting for Canadians.
>>>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>>>> premium for it.
>>>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>>>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>>>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of
>>>> your
>>>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>>>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>>>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>>>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>>>> you?)
>>> Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the
>>> time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
> That is more real than you intended. In my corner of Canada, the Chinese
> population is about 50% and growing. Entire shopping malls are taken
> over by them without an English word anywhere in the mall.
> Loh ha ma?
Here in The U.S. it's Mexican Spanish but people are ignoring the Chinese infiltration of other countries and don't realize what can
and will happen with "uncontrolled" immigration to the borders, language
and culture of a country. If you and me were put in suspended animation
then revived after even a half century we would hardly recognize our own countries and the culture. O_o
Winston_Smith wrote:
> Energy independence and the economy are not the same issue.
> Granted, high energy consumption is linked to an active economy,
> but energy is in no way causing The Great Recession.
High prices for energy and petroleum (caused by your Fed driving down
your dollar) is playing a significant role in your stagnant, near-dead
economy.
> In fact your great Chinese economy is very dependent on what
> is to them foreign oil.
Their per-capita expenditure for oil is very low. Their economy or
economic output is nowhere near as sensitive to the price of oil (read:
gasoline) as yours is. Like it or not, their working class can produce
stuff for 12 hours a day and eat/sleep the other 12 hours for a lot less
energy input (petro-energy input) than US, Canada or Europe.
> > They've already got a few of our Candu nuclear reactors (the
> > ones that can't melt down - unlike the GE ones you use and
> > sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't you?)
> We told them to build them in
You twisted enough arms or played enough political cards or greased
enough palms to force them as a nation to go with your US (GE) designed
boiling water reactors, which are extremely vulnerable and inherently
unsafe anywhere where earthquakes or flooding can happen (which is
essentially anywhere in Japan). Corporatism at it's finest.
>>>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>>>> premium for it.
>>>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>>>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>>>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>>>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>>>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>>>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>>>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>>>> you?)
>>>Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the
>>>time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
>That is more real than you intended. In my corner of Canada, the Chinese >population is about 50% and growing. Entire shopping malls are taken over by >them without an English word anywhere in the mall.
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:09:38 -0500, "EXT"
> <noem...@reply.in.this.group> wrote:
>>>>> They want our oil and potash more than you do. And they're paying a
>>>>> premium for it.
>>>>> Screw the XL pipeline. We're building one to the west coast - where
>>>>> we'll be exporting our oil to China.
>>>>> All this talk of "North American" energy independance coming out of your
>>>>> oil-industry PR mouths. What a joke. You keep going down the toilet
>>>>> and meanwhile China is open for business. They've already got a few of
>>>>> our Candu nuclear reactors (the ones that can't melt down - unlike the
>>>>> GE ones you use and sold to Japan and screwed them up real good didn't
>>>>> you?)
>>>> Home Gay, how are your Chinese language lessons coming along for the
>>>> time when China takes over Canada? ^_^
>> That is more real than you intended. In my corner of Canada, the Chinese
>> population is about 50% and growing. Entire shopping malls are taken over by
>> them without an English word anywhere in the mall.
>> Loh ha ma?
> Sounds like Richmond Hill and Markham Ontario
Here in the U.S. most of the yacking is about Hispanics taking over whole areas while some places have turned into Middle Eastern enclaves
complete with their own version of law and order. Chinese people are everywhere even here in my own city. Birmingham is a very young city,
founded in 1871, compared to those cities on the coasts but people from
everywhere in the world have settled in the area from the start. When I
tell people there are a lot of "real" Africans living in Birmingham, their reaction is usually quite entertaining. ^_^
