Re: Loc-tite or something like it is good to keep handy.

[Stormin Mormon]

Now, that does make a bit of sense. And, they tend to be in between threads.
Not as though we'd go to our Harbor Freight 2,001 piece screw assortment
that was on sale for $3.47, and get another small setscrew for a pocket
knife. Rather good idea, I think.

Christopher A. Young
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"H.I.T.man" <H.I....@debian.user.invalid.org> wrote in message
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Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven Standard and
Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying specialized screws,
Torx and Allen wrenches (unlike a simple slotted and Philips driver which
is simple enough to improvise) it has become necessary to apply some
Loc-tite to threads of those items, and even on eye glasses, where there
is no reasonable expectation of even having to loosen them for access.

Have chosen this course, and am recommending same to you, because have had
knives disassemble in my pocket, gun barrels and grips loosen in use, and
nearly suffered going from bi-lenses to monocle in field. Consider the
trouble losing a Torx or Allen fastener brings about during dire times?

--
H.I.T.man
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an
intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell

[Winston_Smith]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:04:14 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:
>>"H.I.T.man" <H.I....@debian.user.invalid.org> wrote

>>Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
>>knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
>>Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven Standard and
>>Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying specialized screws,
>>Torx and Allen wrenches (unlike a simple slotted and Philips driver which
>>is simple enough to improvise) it has become necessary to apply some
>>Loc-tite to threads of those items, and even on eye glasses, where there
>>is no reasonable expectation of even having to loosen them for access.
>>
>>Have chosen this course, and am recommending same to you, because have had
>>knives disassemble in my pocket, gun barrels and grips loosen in use, and
>>nearly suffered going from bi-lenses to monocle in field. Consider the
>>trouble losing a Torx or Allen fastener brings about during dire times?

>Now, that does make a bit of sense. And, they tend to be in between threads.

I doubt the companies have special screws made for them. You have
probably run into metric threads. Most stuff made for a global market
uses them. They come in course and fine thread versions just like
"English".

>Not as though we'd go to our Harbor Freight 2,001 piece screw assortment
>that was on sale for $3.47, and get another small setscrew for a pocket
>knife. Rather good idea, I think.

Around here, most Ace Hardware stores have a pretty good assortment of
English and metric hardware, all variations, several different
hardness certifications. It's pricey compared to Precision Screw and
Thread prices on a box, but you can buy just one if you wish.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:32:46 -0500, "H.I.T.man"

<H.I....@debian.user.invalid.org> wrote:

>Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
>knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
>Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven Standard and
>Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying specialized screws,
>Torx and Allen wrenches (unlike a simple slotted and Philips driver which
>is simple enough to improvise) it has become necessary to apply some
>Loc-tite to threads of those items, and even on eye glasses, where there
>is no reasonable expectation of even having to loosen them for access.
>
>Have chosen this course, and am recommending same to you, because have had
>knives disassemble in my pocket, gun barrels and grips loosen in use, and
>nearly suffered going from bi-lenses to monocle in field. Consider the
>trouble losing a Torx or Allen fastener brings about during dire times?

Tis true indeed. However I keep both Torx and allen drivers in each of
my tool boxes. One needs only a few sizes for such things.

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

[Snag]

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:32:46 -0500, "H.I.T.man"
> <H.I....@debian.user.invalid.org> wrote:
>
>> Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
>> knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
>> Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven
>> Standard and Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying
>> specialized screws, Torx and Allen wrenches (unlike a simple slotted
>> and Philips driver which is simple enough to improvise) it has
>> become necessary to apply some Loc-tite to threads of those items,
>> and even on eye glasses, where there is no reasonable expectation of
>> even having to loosen them for access.
>>
>> Have chosen this course, and am recommending same to you, because
>> have had knives disassemble in my pocket, gun barrels and grips
>> loosen in use, and nearly suffered going from bi-lenses to monocle
>> in field. Consider the trouble losing a Torx or Allen fastener
>> brings about during dire times?
>
> Tis true indeed. However I keep both Torx and allen drivers in each of
> my tool boxes. One needs only a few sizes for such things.
>
> Gunner

It's the microtorx that give me fits . Most sets only go as small as T10
or maybe T5 , but the damn things come in much smaller sizes too . Ever
tried to take apart a cellphone ?
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

[Stormin Mormon]

Yes, I have. And also, FRS walkie talkies. Much easier
with the tool.

Christopher A. Young
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"Snag" <snag...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[rbowman]

Snag wrote:

> It's the microtorx that give me fits . Most sets only go as small as T10
> or maybe T5 , but the damn things come in much smaller sizes too . Ever
> tried to take apart a cellphone ?

A good set of electronics drivers will have the small ones. What drives me
crazy is T27. Harley uses it for the derby cover screws. It's not in most
sets that jump from T25 to T30, and a T25 bit will hold just long enough to
strip out the screw head.

[Winston_Smith]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 22:30:53 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Tis true indeed. However I keep both Torx and allen drivers in each of
>my tool boxes. One needs only a few sizes for such things.

Every damn body/trim bolt on my Jeep is Torx. Big ones, small ones,
everything. Got a good Torx set and I'm ready to party.

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Thu, 24 May 2012 20:17:10 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

This set has it (T27) and it's on the top of my tool roll in the
saddle bag. The Super Deluxe Set WF-4 is on back order, but that's
the one I've been using for over a decade. Lifetime warranty too:
http://www.newmantools.com/wfmc.htm Those are serious tools, not
toys.

Add a set of 1/4" drive sockets and you'd be surprised how much you
can get done with just those little sets. Add in a SOG multi-tool and
there isn't much roadside trouble you can't get out of due to a lack
of tools anyway. I have the PowerLock:
http://sogknives.com/store/tools.html You can usually find them for a
lot less on Amazon than direct from SOG.

After riding for over 40 years the above are the most used tools and
take up the least amount of room.

Newb

[rbowman]

ne...@nowhere.org wrote:

> This set has it (T27) and it's on the top of my tool roll in the
> saddle bag.

Good deal. I had to go to an industrial supply house to find one. Somehow
it's always the one you need that isn't in a set. I was mounting a scope a
couple of weeks ago and the Millet rings took a 7/64th Allen. I went through
3 sets before I found one that didn't skip it. For a while I was thinking
they had went metric on me.

[Gunner Asch]

Ayup. Those stay in the drawers in my electronics shop. Nothing in my
truck or shop boxes very handy for cell phone repair..its the
electronics shop where that sort of stuff is done.

[Gunner Asch]

One of these...is invaluable when working on scooters, boat motors etc
etc. Even other stuff, like nuts and bolts.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947641000P?sid=IDx20070921x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00947641000
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00920896000P?mv=rr
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00915232000P?mv=rr

Ive got the Lyle along with a half dozen others. Some I purchased back
in the 1960s. Used properly, even with sockets..they can be a real life
saver. And you dont really need "impact" sockets with them. Everyday
sockets, Torx etc etc work just fine.

All you need is a hammer

[Shall not be infringed]

On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:32:46 PM UTC-4, H.I.T.man wrote:
> Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
> knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
> Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven Standard and
> Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying specialized screws,
> Torx and Allen wrenches (unlike a simple slotted and Philips driver which
> is simple enough to improvise) it has become necessary to apply some
> Loc-tite to threads of those items, and even on eye glasses, where there
> is no reasonable expectation of even having to loosen them for access.
>
> Have chosen this course, and am recommending same to you, because have had
> knives disassemble in my pocket, gun barrels and grips loosen in use, and
> nearly suffered going from bi-lenses to monocle in field. Consider the
> trouble losing a Torx or Allen fastener brings about during dire times?
>

> --
> H.I.T.man
> "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an
> intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell

I have a temporary scope on my rifle which I did not use #242 loc-tite.

All he others use it.

Its temporary as I'm about to switch out barrels then cerama-cote the barrel, action, and bolt handle, and bake.

[Offbreed]

On May 21, 5:32 pm, "H.I.T.man" <H.I.T....@debian.user.invalid.org>

wrote:
> Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
> knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
> Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven Standard and
> Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying specialized screws,

Trouble with loc-tite is it dries up so fast. I only need to use it
once in a while, so by the time I come back for more, it's dried up.

But, oh, yeah. Leatherman. Why in the world are they using that stupid
five point with a peg? I don't mind Allen wrenches as the sets take up
little room, and so much of what I work with require them that they
are not a waste of money, but those things Leatherman uses!

Their belt pouches stink, too. The loop is too far down and the velcro
has already gone bad.

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 20:07:20 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

>ne...@nowhere.org wrote:
>
>> This set has it (T27) and it's on the top of my tool roll in the
>> saddle bag.
>
>Good deal. I had to go to an industrial supply house to find one. Somehow
>it's always the one you need that isn't in a set.

That Newman Tools Inc. set is found in more long distance H-D riders
tool rolls for that very reason.

>I was mounting a scope a
>couple of weeks ago and the Millet rings took a 7/64th Allen. I went through
>3 sets before I found one that didn't skip it. For a while I was thinking
>they had went metric on me.

It's got that one too.

Newb

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 00:21:40 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>One of these...is invaluable when working on scooters, boat motors etc
>etc. Even other stuff, like nuts and bolts.
>
>http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947641000P?sid=IDx20070921x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00947641000
>http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00920896000P?mv=rr
>http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00915232000P?mv=rr
>
>Ive got the Lyle along with a half dozen others. Some I purchased back
>in the 1960s. Used properly, even with sockets..they can be a real life
>saver. And you dont really need "impact" sockets with them. Everyday
>sockets, Torx etc etc work just fine.
>
>All you need is a hammer
>
>Gunner

I guess I don't work on stuff that needs an impact driver anymore,
have a new one that's at least 20 years old that I've never even used
yet. And I don't generally carry a hammer on the bikes... even the
Harley's.

Newb

[rbowman]

Offbreed wrote:

> Trouble with loc-tite is it dries up so fast. I only need to use it
> once in a while, so by the time I come back for more, it's dried up.

I've never had that problem. I forget the numbers offhand but I've got tube
of LocTite red and blue and some Guntite that are several years old and
still good. Those little superglue tubes are generally one time use for me,
but they're cheap enough.

[terryc]

On 27/05/12 03:06, ne...@nowhere.org wrote:

> I guess I don't work on stuff that needs an impact driver anymore,
> have a new one that's at least 20 years old that I've never even used
> yet. And I don't generally carry a hammer on the bikes... even the
> Harley's.

Rock, lump of hard wood, etc
Shrug, I just found it easier to release, grease and re-insert stuff in
routing maintenance.

[Gunner Asch]

I take it Harleys dont need to pull over every 500 or so miles and have
all the hardware tightened back up, these days?

All of my Harleys did, once upon a time. Which is why I went to Honda
and BMW.

[book...@yahoo.com]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:32:46 -0500, "H.I.T.man"

<H.I....@debian.user.invalid.org> wrote:

>Have noticed with a degree of disappointment many makers of folding
>knives, small folding hand tools, hand guns and even rifles are using
>Torx and Allen screws rather than time tested and use proven Standard and
>Philips head fasteners. Therefore, instead of carrying specialized screws,

>Torx and Allen wrenches (unlike a simple slotted and Philips driver which
>is simple enough to improvise) it has become necessary to apply some
>Loc-tite to threads of those items, and even on eye glasses, where there
>is no reasonable expectation of even having to loosen them for access.
>
>Have chosen this course, and am recommending same to you, because have had
>knives disassemble in my pocket, gun barrels and grips loosen in use, and
>nearly suffered going from bi-lenses to monocle in field. Consider the
>trouble losing a Torx or Allen fastener brings about during dire times?

Good for scope base, but not the rings.

[rbowman]

Gunner Asch wrote:

> I take it Harleys dont need to pull over every 500 or so miles and have
> all the hardware tightened back up, these days?

No, I haven't lost too many bits and pieces in the last 50,000 miles or so.
Other than the adjustable highway pegs, which were an engineering disaster,
the only thing I can remember is the clutch lever pivot pin. I guess the
snap ring came off and it vibrated out. Fortunately, the clutch still
worked.

That's with the old school paint shaker Sportster. The new rubber mounts
should be even better.