who's the weirdest?
APhi77ips
I'm after--strangeness, otherness, the mental-exotic. I want to play in the
surreal dark. I want to get out of my suburban mindset and middle-class
beige life-tones. Can you guide me? Where should I start?
Andy
mike...
APhi77ips wrote:
> I want to get out of my suburban mindset and middle-class
> beige life-tones. Can you guide me? Where should I start?
>
> Andy
quit your job, put your car in drive and let it roll away, and move to the
country.
xomike
EricStov
>
Truth to tell, I think that one of the best authors to help lead you into the
more nebulus realms of the Surreal would not be a "surrealist" per se.
My nomination is Robert Anton Wilson. His Illuminatus! Trilogy (co-authored by
Robert Shea) and Shrodinger's Cat Trilogy are extremely good for the
mental-exotic outlook you seek and deal extensively with assorted forms of
perception modification.
Also recommended (by me at least) would be his Cosmic Trigger books as well as
his book on causality Cooincidence.
Franz Kafka also makes for excellent mental fuel, and the assorted literature
available on the Montessouri Style of Teaching is excellent for perception
tweaking.
Eric
The day I claim to be a surrealist is the day I cease to be one.
APhi77ips
writes:
>
>> I want to get out of my suburban mindset and middle-class
>> beige life-tones. Can you guide me? Where should I start?
>>
>> Andy
>
>quit your job, put your car in drive and let it roll away, and move to the
>country.
>
I'm afraid I might end up a hippy, or hoeing beans. And I like my car;
It helps me be free, so losing it would not help. But you didn't answer
my question. I want to know who is or was the weirdest surrealist. I
want to get out there, man. I want to get alive.
Andy
ginohn
Richard Milhouse Nixon.
mike...
APhi77ips wrote:
i know, i know i didnt answer the question, i was trying to make a point i
guess, although i was terribly vague.
you said you wanted to "get out" and "get alive" and such...but you seem
to want to do it passively, by looking at pictures or reading poems. i
think that really experiencing something would be more effective.
ive heard skiing is nice.
anyway, i wouldnt mind living in the country, hoeing beans...
mike
Dale Houstman
>
> Who would you nominate as the weirdest surrealist?
Short answer: Robert "Little Booby" Maughan.
Long answer: the word "weird" and the word "surrealist" are not
comfortable
bed mates "Weird" is a rather vague adjective that is most widely used
in
high school to describe fellows who don't like sports, and then
graduates
into the adult world as a utility word for anything that makes the
"middle
class noggin" uncomfortable.
The "surreal" is not about darkness, or "otherness" it is about you and
your relation (in the fullest sense) to the world, both conscious and
otherwise.
The first step away from your "suburban" mindset should be to stop
making such easy comparisons and learn something about what you desire.
I am not going to suggest certain books, but I am sure someone else
will.
Set fire to your neighbor's cat, and see how quickly you leave the
middle-class. Do it to their car, and you will be in jail. Then you are
really out! It depends on what you really desire.
But you will never depart your "suburban" mindset by dabbling in the
exotic, since such dabbling is a central feature of the mindset. In the
fifties
many suburbanites listened to "Polynesian" music (ala Martin Denny)
and went to get drunk in countless Tiki rooms. All in some effort
(badly expressed) to grab the exotic. It is when you cease to think of
human activity as exotic that you are getting somewhere. Otherwise
you are a tourist, and the world is a well-done diorama.
DMH
APhi77ips
writes:
>
>Long answer: the word "weird" and the word "surrealist" are not
>comfortable
>bed mates "Weird" is a rather vague adjective that is most widely used
>in
>high school to describe fellows who don't like sports, and then
>graduates
>into the adult world as a utility word for anything that makes the
>"middle
>class noggin" uncomfortable.
But I'm not afraid to be uncomfortable. I am willing to dare the weird,
because, well, I'm a bit MAD!!! That's what my friends say, "Andy?
He's mad as a HATTER!!
>
>The "surreal" is not about darkness, or "otherness" it is about you and
>your relation (in the fullest sense) to the world, both conscious and
>otherwise.
Seriously though, I've had enough of the conscious. Now I want a bit
of the old "otherwise." Can you suggest anything?
>
>The first step away from your "suburban" mindset should be to stop
>making such easy comparisons and learn something about what you desire.
>I am not going to suggest certain books, but I am sure someone else
>will.
>Set fire to your neighbor's cat, and see how quickly you leave the
>middle-class. Do it to their car, and you will be in jail. Then you are
>really out! It depends on what you really desire.
Obviously, I don't want to harm animals, Dale. Surely, that is not a part
of the surrealist project.
>
>But you will never depart your "suburban" mindset by dabbling in the
>exotic, since such dabbling is a central feature of the mindset. In the
>fifties
>many suburbanites listened to "Polynesian" music (ala Martin Denny)
>and went to get drunk
I can't understand what you have against polynesian music, Dale, or
against getting drunk. A little exotic music can really get you in the
mood, and, well, a coupla drinks never hurt anyone, now did it? You're
just afraid to let down your inhibitions, that's what you are.
in countless Tiki rooms.
Tiki rooms? What were they?
All in some effort
>(badly expressed) to grab the exotic. It is when you cease to think of
>human activity as exotic that you are getting somewhere. Otherwise
>you are a tourist, and the world is a well-done diorama.
I think human activity can be enchantingly exotic, Dale. If it wasn't we'd
all be the same. Call me crazy (and I am a bit MAD!!!), but I want to
be just that bit different, and dabble a little in the exotic. Maybe eccentric
is a better word for it.
>
>DMH
>
Andy
APhi77ips
writes:
>
>i know, i know i didnt answer the question, i was trying to make a point i
>guess, although i was terribly vague.
>you said you wanted to "get out" and "get alive" and such...but you seem
>to want to do it passively, by looking at pictures or reading poems. i
>think that really experiencing something would be more effective.
Well, let's face it, the bills gotta get paid. But that's what art is all
about,
isn't it? The exotic, as in "far away places?" Getting you out of yourself?
Foriegn landscapes of the mind? Playing with northern urchins in a Lowry?
You know Lowry? He painted matchstick men and matchstick girls and boys...
Seriously, though, art is exotic. (And sometimes even erotic!!! Don't mind
me, I'm just a bit MAD!!! <Not really!?!>)
>
>ive heard skiing is nice.
Skiiing is lovely, but come on. Everyone does it. It's like, "Where are you
going this winter?" "Oh, Dahling! I'm going skiing!" I mean really. How
boring and normal can you get. I'm a litte different. I'm a
bit...shh!....don't
tell anyone, but I'm a bit MAD!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>anyway, i wouldnt mind living in the country, hoeing beans...
You could hoe them Thorauxly, you old hippy. (Geddit?)
>
Andy
Andrea Chen
>
> APhi77ips wrote:
> >
> > Who would you nominate as the weirdest surrealist?
>
> Short answer: Robert "Little Booby" Maughan.
>
> comfortable
> bed mates "Weird" is a rather vague adjective that is most widely used
> in
> high school to describe fellows who don't like sports, and then
> graduates
> into the adult world as a utility word for anything that makes the
> "middle
> class noggin" uncomfortable.
>
So surrealism doesn't make the middle class comfortable? Middle class
people will not describe surrealism as weird? I didn't expect you to
admit your desire for a nice safe "non comformity" so openly.
> The "surreal" is not about darkness, or "otherness" it is about you and
> your relation (in the fullest sense) to the world, both conscious and
> otherwise.
>
Check the source of the word weird. It is roughly "destiny," one's
deeper purpose.
As fort surrealism's relationship to darkness Breton did suggest that
the perfect surrealist act would be to shoot everyone you meet (made one
of the scenes in Steppenwolf.) This certainly is an admittance and
acceptance of some of the darker places. You want your unconscious to
be clean, well lighted and safe. It ain't that way. In trying to
release it the surrealists played with dangerous forces.
> But you will never depart your "suburban" mindset by dabbling in the
> exotic, since such dabbling is a central feature of the mindset. In the
> fifties
> many suburbanites listened to "Polynesian" music (ala Martin Denny)
> and went to get drunk in countless Tiki rooms. All in some effort
> (badly expressed) to grab the exotic. It is when you cease to think of
> human activity as exotic that you are getting somewhere. Otherwise
> you are a tourist, and the world is a well-done diorama.
>
Yet it's you who are afraid of so much human activity. You who become
so resentful at anything different. Do you think perhaps you should
stop lecturing to others and start lecturing to yourself?
Also did you completely fail to catch the humor in the original
question?
Incidently black people in the inner city and farmers also use the word
"weird." So are they suburban "middle class?"
elag
i wouldnt mind living in the country, hoeing beans...
beaning hoes is far more educational.
Andrea Chen
>
> I suppose it is only to be expected that you view simple conversation
> and
> exchange of ideas as lecturing. However, it is is not I who proclaim
> myself
> a "Doctriness" (or whatever your atrocious little title is!), and
> presume to
> control the world through button pushing.
Once again cluelessness. I have explained this many times.
1) Doctress is a parody based on a famous net kook, it is a complex
mocking but among the things mocked is the pompousness of titles. Your
inability to understand this shows once again your incapacity for humor.
2) Certainly I "claim" to control the world, I also claim to traffic
with aliens. Once again satire and in the mind control game a bit of a
warning, people really can be directed, they really do edit reality.
You are an example. You dislike me so much that you take obvious jokes
at face value.
> Incidently black people in the inner city and farmers also use the word
> > "weird." So are they suburban "middle class?"
>
> Again, an irrelevant question, as it pertains to the original question,
But not to your response. You claimed that the use of weird indicated
suburban middle class values. I pointed out that many other groups used
the concept.
> the context thereof. Context really bores you doesn't it, because it so
> often
> gets in the way of your (quite stupid) nitpicking?
Context? I taught you this word. But I responded to your message
which was by using the word "weird" indicated that he was controlled by
suburban middle class values.
barrett john erickson
news:372652...@earthlink.net...
> As fort surrealism's relationship to darkness Breton did
suggest that
> the perfect surrealist act would be to shoot everyone you meet
"Andrea's" ignorance is, of course, deliberate.
for the benefit of any newcomers to alt.surrealism (at least
those who are actually interested in "surrealism"): we had
extensive discussion of this passage of the second manifesto last
fall. i'd be happy refer anyone to the relevant posts if they
are uncertain of the actual quote in context, or the critical
difference between spontaneous revolt and random murder.
-- barrett
bar...@MagneticFields.org
http://www.MagneticFields.org/
"Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a certain
point of the mind at which life and death, the real and the
imagined, past and future, the communicable and the
incommunicable, high and low, cease to be perceived as
contradictions."
...André Breton
Dale Houstman
>
> Check the source of the word weird. It is roughly "destiny," one's
> deeper purpose.
>
We all know that Andrea, and we are grateful to you for pointing out the
obvious and irrelevant once more. But that is not what the word means
to the vast majority anymore, and you know it, so stop thinking that
you're fooling anyone with your semi-cognitive attempts at hit-and-run.
> As fort surrealism's relationship to darkness Breton did suggest that
> the perfect surrealist act would be to shoot everyone you meet
No, he didn't, and you know he didn't, unless you are even more ignorant
than you pretend to be. Which (I assume) is possible.
> You want your unconscious to
> be clean, well lighted and safe.
I do? And you want yours to be in control of everyone else's. Or
is this also a lie? You lie. I lie. I think this is the arena you are
most
comfortable in.
>In trying to release it the surrealists played with dangerous forces.
A fact they themselves came to admit, especially when playing a
game of "sleep interview" with Robert Desnos. Again, you are late with
your information (this time by about 70 years!).
>
> Yet it's you who are afraid of so much human activity.
Prove this.
>You who become so resentful at anything different.
Prove this.
>Do you think perhaps you should stop lecturing to others and start
>lecturing to yourself?
I suppose it is only to be expected that you view simple conversation
and
exchange of ideas as lecturing. However, it is is not I who proclaim
myself
a "Doctriness" (or whatever your atrocious little title is!), and
presume to
control the world through button pushing.
>
> Also did you completely fail to catch the humor in the original
> question?
>
>No. Did you completely fail to catch the faint whiff of disdain
in this post?
Incidently black people in the inner city and farmers also use the word
> "weird." So are they suburban "middle class?"
Again, an irrelevant question, as it pertains to the original question,
and
the context thereof. Context really bores you doesn't it, because it so
often
gets in the way of your (quite stupid) nitpicking?
DMH
Dale Houstman
Andrea Chen wrote:
>
irrelevant raptor-like remarks...
by the way Andrea dear, does that falcon use your quim as a hood at
night
to keep its head warm and moist?
Or dry and cold?
Just a question from a fellow bird lover.
DMH
It would be a better photo if the falcon were pecking at your eyes.
Brandon J. Freels
"simplest" (as opposed to Chen's "perfect") and the "firing randomly into a
crowd" (as opposed to Chen's "shooting everyone you meet"). She doesn't
paraphrase the passage very well.
b best
your soul. be part of the creative life flow. one.
APhi77ips
>
>creativity is the godhead. find your creative spirit and you will find
>your soul. be part of the creative life flow. one.
>
Oh my God! I know I said I was a bit, you know, mad (just kidding!), but
this is too weird for me. You're a little scary, like those space-
hippies on Star-trek. They seemed so nice at first, just looking for
a little Eden, but then they turned out to be very nasty indeed.
There were some good ones though, like the one who played the space
guitar. Spock understood them, didn't he? Maybe he should "analyse"
You!!!!! (only kidding)
Are you a good hippy or a bad hippy? Greg Brady with
a lava-lamp, or Charlie Manson with a red-hot-poker? I'm a little
worried.
Andy
Dale Houstman
She's done the very same thing before, so we must assume that she is
either
massively ignorant (I'll bet on that one!), or just doing more of her
adolescent button pushing that appears to have supplanted all her
other urges and pathways to illumination. She is her own dead end. But
I'd still like to kick her in it.
DMH
Dale Houstman
>
>
> But not to your response. You claimed that the use of weird indicated
> suburban middle class values. I pointed out that many other groups used
> the concept.
>
the
posting, so it responded to its meaning of the word, rather than to
yours.
Isn't it odd how we refuse to consult you on these matters? As a matter
of fact what I said was that his *use* of the word "weird" indicated
a middle-class trap. So your point is still quite irrelevant. as are
most
of your points.
DMH
B.S. Oh, before I forget: Bitch!
David H. Ellison
Dale Houstman wrote:
> Andrea Chen wrote:
> >
>
> > Check the source of the word weird. It is roughly "destiny," one's
> > deeper purpose.
> >
> We all know that Andrea, and we are grateful to you for pointing out the
> obvious and irrelevant once more. But that is not what the word means
> to the vast majority anymore,
That's linguistic drift, to us normal folks.
> and you know it, so stop thinking that
> you're fooling anyone with your semi-cognitive attempts at hit-and-run.
it is the next best thing to no reply at all.
Dale Houstman
"David H. Ellison" wrote:
>
>
> it is the next best thing to no reply at all.
But the best news of all would be to hear Andrea had suffocated
in her Skinner Box and been eaten by her falcon, and later vomited
over a bad accordian player in a cheap dive.
Dreams That Money Can Buy...
DMH
David H. Ellison
Dale Houstman
"David H. Ellison" wrote:
>
> BTW someone got the link wrong... why doves cry.
>
Because they can't be that close to Andrea...
BTW; I am convinced (now that I take a second look) that that
falcon is a hand-puppet, and Andrea is attemtping to take the
late, great Senor Wences' place.
"Sorright?" "Sorright!"
DMH
Silramien
aphi...@aol.com (APhi77ips) wrote:
> >creativity is the godhead. find your creative spirit and you will find
> >your soul. be part of the creative life flow. one.
> >
>
> Oh my God! I know I said I was a bit, you know, mad (just kidding!), but
> this is too weird for me. You're a little scary, like those space-
> hippies on Star-trek. They seemed so nice at first, just looking for
> a little Eden, but then they turned out to be very nasty indeed.
Eden is ignorance; they could not doff that blissful cream puff.
> There were some good ones though, like the one who played the space
> guitar. Spock understood them, didn't he? Maybe he should "analyse"
> You!!!!! (only kidding)
>
> Are you a good hippy or a bad hippy? Greg Brady with
> a lava-lamp,
Is that a good hippy? Greg Brady is disgusting scum--pink grease that slimed
the culture of conformity to make it descend down the throats of those who
belonged to it. <insert a lot of doomsday deconstruction here> Who knows what
plans he had for his little lava lamp, Chernobyl?
--
Silramien
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