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Kayle Garkut

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Oct 21, 2001, 4:07:05 PM10/21/01
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I hope this is the correct NG to ask this question.

I recently purchased a Dali print by the title of : LA VILLE PARANOIAQUE
- CRITIQUE

I can see the relationship between a lot of the objects in the painting
but am wondering what im missing.

Is there a concise list available?

If theres anyone on this list that can help it would be much appreciated.


Thankyou...

KL

Dale Houstman

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Oct 21, 2001, 6:19:16 PM10/21/01
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"Kayle Garkut" <ka...@asylvm.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I hope this is the correct NG to ask this question.

It is and it isn't.


>
> I recently purchased a Dali print by the title of : LA VILLE PARANOIAQUE
> - CRITIQUE
>
> I can see the relationship between a lot of the objects in the painting
> but am wondering what im missing.

Much of it is based on either Dali's personal history: the buildings, the
"skipping child," the landscape of his homeland, image of his wife Gala
(holding the grapes), or upon his warehouse of private symbols. His
"paranoiac-critical" method is mainly bladerdash, and it's really aimed at
more or less a series of double-images and sensationalism. Nonetheless, this
is one of his better paintings of the time, before he sank deeply into
egotism and the pursuit of the dollar. There's no "meaning" per se: most of
these paintings are really just anthologies of his half-comprehended
enthusiasms. In a similar vein you will see him using crutches and his
famous "soft watches" in painting after painting, because - simply - they
amuse him and dazzle his public. Any "meaning" is easily gleaned by knowing
Freudian symbolism, as he was quite the afficianado of the man. Thus
"grapes" are both buttocks and testicles and edible. Dali was a fiercely
dedicated masturbator and voyeur, so this is not surprising. The whole
edible flesh thing he has is mainly Freudian, as are the key holes and such.
The distinct long shadows are borrowed from another surrealist painter, Yves
Tanguy, and there are one or two visual puns copped from Magritte.


>
> Is there a concise list available?

This I don't know about, but there are many books on Dali that talk in depth
about his use of symbols: I've just read a new biography ("The Shameful Life
of Salvador Dali") and it gives a pretty good accounting of such things, and
of his descent into autocratic greed. Any book written by Dali himself will
be full of lies and fantasies meant to promote his "image" of himself to the
adoring public, and - while they can be vastly amusing - I don't recommend
you rely upon them for facts.

dmh

Parry

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Oct 21, 2001, 9:42:28 PM10/21/01
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Dale Houstman wrote:
>
> "Kayle Garkut" <ka...@asylvm.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3BD32AE9...@asylvm.f9.co.uk...
> > I hope this is the correct NG to ask this question.
>
> It is and it isn't.
> >
> > I recently purchased a Dali print by the title of : LA VILLE PARANOIAQUE
> > - CRITIQUE
> >
> > I can see the relationship between a lot of the objects in the painting
> > but am wondering what im missing.
>
> Much of it is based on either Dali's personal history: the buildings, the
> "skipping child," the landscape of his homeland, image of his wife Gala
> (holding the grapes), or upon his warehouse of private symbols. His
> "paranoiac-critical" method is mainly bladerdash, and it's really aimed at
> more or less a series of double-images and sensationalism. Nonetheless, this
> is one of his better paintings of the time, before he sank deeply into
> egotism and the pursuit of the dollar.

The painting is from 1936, when Dali was still a surrealist. More
interesting to me than this painting is a sketch for it from 1935 which
bares the artist’s thought processes, with drawings of the horse’s
backside, the tilted skull, and the grapes in the hand (all reappearing
in the middle of the painting) emerging as variations on the same rough
shape.

-- Parry

> There's no "meaning" per se: most of
> these paintings are really just anthologies of his half-comprehended
> enthusiasms. In a similar vein you will see him using crutches and his
> famous "soft watches" in painting after painting, because - simply - they
> amuse him and dazzle his public. Any "meaning" is easily gleaned by knowing
> Freudian symbolism, as he was quite the afficianado of the man. Thus
> "grapes" are both buttocks and testicles and edible. Dali was a fiercely
> dedicated masturbator and voyeur, so this is not surprising. The whole
> edible flesh thing he has is mainly Freudian, as are the key holes and such.
> The distinct long shadows are borrowed from another surrealist painter, Yves
> Tanguy, and there are one or two visual puns copped from Magritte.
> >
> > Is there a concise list available?
>
> This I don't know about, but there are many books on Dali that talk in depth
> about his use of symbols: I've just read a new biography ("The Shameful Life
> of Salvador Dali") and it gives a pretty good accounting of such things, and
> of his descent into autocratic greed. Any book written by Dali himself will
> be full of lies and fantasies meant to promote his "image" of himself to the
> adoring public, and - while they can be vastly amusing - I don't recommend
> you rely upon them for facts.
>
> dmh


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Kayle Garkut

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Oct 22, 2001, 2:29:14 PM10/22/01
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Thankyou all for the replies.

francois haguier

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Oct 22, 2001, 5:48:39 PM10/22/01
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do you know : http://www.universdali.com

Kayle Garkut wrote:

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