surrealism in cinema
Mathieu Prudent
do you know directors who are making surrealist movies? I know Kusturica,
Raul Ruiz and Terry Gilliam and I'd like to know more.
Thank you.
M.
Brandon Freels
involved with the movement).
And Jodorowsky.
I've never seen any Kusturica or Raul Ruiz (at least the names aren't
familiar).
There was a female director too ... I suddenly forgot her name ...
"Mathieu Prudent" <m_du...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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chris johnson
also- is "Un Chien Andalou" worth seeing?
merci beaucoup,
christophe
Brandon Freels
And yes.
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The Lemming
Yes.
Try BFI (British film institute) who sell a copy with 2 versions, the
original, and another with Kagel's soundtrack added instead of the original
music. It also comes with a small book.
Electric Pictures amd Warner Bros both do some Bunuel films on video too.
Nick the Lemming
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Really high quality/production values
and already internationally respected.
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elag
>
> chris johnson <cyberb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8bHy6.387$UT4.1...@news.uswest.net...
> > Where could I find videos and interviews of Dali?
> > also- is "Un Chien Andalou" worth seeing?
> >
> >
> > merci beaucoup,
> > christophe
> >
> >
>
> Yes.
>
> Try BFI (British film institute) who sell a copy with 2 versions, the
> original, and another with Kagel's soundtrack added instead of the original
> music. It also comes with a small book.
This Kagel music... is it a bunch of electronic beeps & droodles? I
have a tape of "Un Chien Andalou" with such a soundtrack but the music
is uncredited.
The Lemming
elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:3ACD3448...@cloud9.net...
> The Lemming wrote:
> > Try BFI (British film institute) who sell a copy with 2 versions, the
> > original, and another with Kagel's soundtrack added instead of the
original
> > music. It also comes with a small book.
>
>
>
> This Kagel music... is it a bunch of electronic beeps & droodles? I
> have a tape of "Un Chien Andalou" with such a soundtrack but the music
> is uncredited.
Not really bleepy or clicky; it's mainly orchestral with some dog barking
and whining sounds in certain places - the moon scene at the beginning, the
scene in the bedroom just before the donkey and piano-pulling, the books
changing to guns and shooting scene and a couple of others. The orchestral
music is pretty discordant in places, but not overly so. It does complement
the film quite nicely.
Edward
And of course,
Alexandro Jodorowski - he is the only real master of surrealism in cinema and
was entirely devoted to it in all his movies. Great movies! But not so easy
to find.
Especially his "Holly Blood" (1989) which is not dubbed to English at all
(it's ok if you know Spanish though).
btw, Kusturica is not a surrealist, he played with surrealistic symbolage,
that's all.
Ed.
elag
The Lemming wrote:
>
> elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:3ACD3448...@cloud9.net...
> > The Lemming wrote:
> > > Try BFI (British film institute) who sell a copy with 2 versions, the
> > > original, and another with Kagel's soundtrack added instead of the
> original
> > > music. It also comes with a small book.
> >
> >
> >
> > This Kagel music... is it a bunch of electronic beeps & droodles? I
> > have a tape of "Un Chien Andalou" with such a soundtrack but the music
> > is uncredited.
>
> Not really bleepy or clicky; it's mainly orchestral with some dog barking
> and whining sounds in certain places - the moon scene at the beginning, the
> scene in the bedroom just before the donkey and piano-pulling, the books
> changing to guns and shooting scene and a couple of others. The orchestral
> music is pretty discordant in places, but not overly so. It does complement
> the film quite nicely.
Hmmm... then does anyone know what the electronic soundtrack attached to
my copy might be?
Parry
> Don't forget Bunuel and Svankmajer (the only two, to my knowledge, actually
> involved with the movement).
There have been others. Here’s a list (derived from the Hammond book) of
features directed by surrealists:
Robert Benayoun:
“Paris n’éxiste pas” (1969)
“Sérieux comme le plaisir” (1974)
Jacques Brunius:
“The Blakes Slept Here” (1953)
Ado Kyrou:
“Bloko” (1965)
“The Monk” (1972, from screenplay by Buñuel and Carrièrre)
Marcel Marien:
“L’Imitation du cinéma” (1959)
Jacques & Pierre Prevert:
“Adieu Léonard” (1943)
“Voyage-Surprise” (1946)
There have also been many short films, and Hans Richter’s “Dreams That
Money Can Buy” (1944) with episodes by Duchamp, Man Ray, and Ernst.
> And Jodorowsky.
Jodorowsky once co-wrote a play with Leonora Carrington, but was he ever
involved with the movement? How about Arrabal? Jodorowsky, Arrabal and
Roland Topor were all part of the Panic Theatre group and all went on to
film. Was this activity surrealist or just contiguous to surrealism?
> I've never seen any Kusturica or Raul Ruiz (at least the names aren't
> familiar).
I’ve seen one by each. Kusturica’s “Underground” concerns a community of
Serbs who live in a basement for decades, tricked into believing WWII is
still going on. It’s fun and lively, but ultimately conventionally
allegorical. Ruiz’s “On Top of the Whale” is about an
anthropological-linguist studying the last two aboriginals of an extinct
tribe and their lost tongue. Interesting, but really an avant garde film
rather than surrealist. I believe Ruiz is often compared to Godard. One
could easily roll off a list of directors with more surrealist potential
than these two -- Borowczyk, Herzog, Argento, Anderson, etc. -- but that
was already done not long back.
> There was a female director too ... I suddenly forgot her name ...
You mean Deren?
-- Parry
> "Mathieu Prudent" <m_du...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:01c0bca6$3898b9a0$74db60cf@default...
> > Hi,
> > do you know directors who are making surrealist movies? I know Kusturica,
> > Raul Ruiz and Terry Gilliam and I'd like to know more.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > M.
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Brandon Freels
> There have been others. Here's a list (derived from the Hammond book) of
> features directed by surrealists:
[snip list]
I forgot about that list. I wonder how available those films are? Any on
DVD? I guess I'll have to look into it.
> Jodorowsky once co-wrote a play with Leonora Carrington, but was he ever
> involved with the movement? How about Arrabal? Jodorowsky, Arrabal and
> Roland Topor were all part of the Panic Theatre group and all went on to
> film. Was this activity surrealist or just contiguous to surrealism?
I don't know that much about Jodorowsky's history. The few short online
bio's of him never mention the Surrealist movement, nor do the interviews
with him that I've read bring any of this to light.
> > There was a female director too ... I suddenly forgot her name ...
>
> You mean Deren?
Yeah. My brain isn't what it used to be.
The Lemming
Brandon Freels <b.j.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> "Parry" wrote
> > There have been others. Here's a list (derived from the Hammond book) of
> > features directed by surrealists:
>
> [snip list]
>
> I forgot about that list. I wonder how available those films are? Any on
> DVD? I guess I'll have to look into it.
>
Bunuel's films are usually fairly easy to get hold of, but most of the
others on the list are next to impossibl;e to find, at least on video
here...
Brandon Freels
> Bunuel's films are usually fairly easy to get hold of, but most of the
> others on the list are next to impossibl;e to find, at least on video
> here...
And only The Discreet Charm Of The Bourgeoisie is available on DVD.
Criterion is following it up with Diary of a Chambermaid in May.
Karri Heikkilä
Le tit A luna, Tit and the moon.
Karri Heikkilä
karr...@cc.joensuu.fi
Jean-Jacqu...@wanadoo.fr
<b.j.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>"Parry" wrote
>> Jodorowsky once co-wrote a play with Leonora Carrington, but was he ever
>> involved with the movement? How about Arrabal?
Arrabal is one of our proud satrape, teacher in our beloved collége de
'pataphysique.Jodorowsky, Arrabal and
>> Roland Topor were all part of the Panic Theatre group and all went on to
>> film. Was this activity surrealist or just contiguous to surrealism?
for arrabal the collége being a reaction to surrealism, (and still
alive) you may write of "contiguous".
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L'enquête est comparable à une longue gestation, et
la solution d'un problème au jour de la délivrance.
Enquêter sur un problème, c'est le résoudre.
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The Lemming
Viridiana is out on DVD, I believe...
Brandon Freels
> Viridiana is out on DVD, I believe...
It didn't come up on any of my searches.
Brandon Freels
> Also Jose Bigas Luna has done surrealist movies. Maybe the most famous is
> Le tit A luna, Tit and the moon.
Allmovie.com wrote of the film:
"This Spanish/French film presents a loving ode to a woman's breasts and the
three men who love them. The fairy tale is told from the viewpoint of 9-year
old Tete, who jealous of his new brother's access to his mother's breasts,
implores the moon to give him a nurturing breast of his own. French cabaret
performers Estrellita, the Queen of Stuttgart, and her jealous husband
Maurice, come to town with their surprisingly vulgar act. When Tete sees
Estrellita, he knows his wish has been granted. Trailer-park electrician
Miquel is also very attracted to Estrellita's charming chest and begins
serenade her. Tete gets to sample her charms after he brings her a frog. -
Sandra Brennan"
Sounds interesting!
Parry
>
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:50:07 GMT, "Brandon Freels"
> <b.j.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >"Parry" wrote
>
> >> Jodorowsky once co-wrote a play with Leonora Carrington, but was he ever
> >> involved with the movement? How about Arrabal?
>
> Arrabal is one of our proud satrape, teacher in our beloved collége de
> 'pataphysique.
> > Jodorowsky, Arrabal and
> >> Roland Topor were all part of the Panic Theatre group and all went on to
> >> film. Was this activity surrealist or just contiguous to surrealism?
>
> for arrabal the collége being a reaction to surrealism, (and still
> alive) you may write of "contiguous".
Thanks for the info.
Salut, I say (exhausting my French vocabulary).
-- Parry
The Lemming
> "The Lemming" wrote
> > Viridiana is out on DVD, I believe...
>
> It didn't come up on any of my searches.
>
>
May just be over here then, or I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw
it on some list somewhere of releases a few months ago.
If I could remember where...
Brandon Freels
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Brandon Freels
> I don't know that much about Jodorowsky's history. The few short online
Untill now. I wouldn't mind hearing more information on Jodorowsky's
surrealist review, "S.NOB".
***
Jodorowsky was born in 1930 in Iquique, Chile, to parents of
Russian/Argentinian descent. Little is known about his childhood, other than
the (rather bizarre) accounts he has given to interviewers. He left Chile in
1953 for Paris, where he studied mime with Marcel Marceau and made a mime
performance film ("The Severed Head") which is now believed "lost". During
the 60's, he traveled between Paris and Mexico City, directing avant-garde
theater, staging experimental performance-art pieces, writing books and
authoring a long-running comic strip ("Fabulas Panicas.") He formed a
"surrealist review" ("S.NOB") with several Mexican writers, and with French
surrealists Fernando Arrabal and Roland Topor organized the "Panic
Movenemt". In the late 60's he made what most followers consider his "real"
directorial debut, "Fando Y Lis", and began work on "El Topo", which was to
become a cult classic. He made two more films during the 1970's: "The Holy
Mountain", which gained cult status of its own (though not nearly the
notoriety of "El Topo") and "TUSK", which met with almost universal disdain
and faded quickly into obscurity. Some years passed before Jodorowsky
resurfaced with 1989's "Santa Sangre", a controversial and critically well-
received effort which generated a resurgence of interest in his works. Most
of Jodorowsky's films have seen limited release, at times drastically edited
by the producers or distributors. In the mid-70s, Jodorowsky signed on to
direct a French-American production of "Dune", which was to star his son
Brontis, Orson Welles, Salvador Dalí and Gloria Swanson. The screenplay he
wrote, by some accounts, could have been made into a 12- to 16-hour film.
The financial backers pulled out in 1976 and "Dune" was eventually filmed by
'David Lynch (I)'. Jodorowsky was also reported to have scouted locations in
Tangier in the mid-80's with William S. Burroughs for a film of "Naked
Lunch" that was never made. Jodorowsky settled in Mexico, where he writes
graphic novels (most recently collaborations with the French artist Moebius)
and has not made a film since 1990's "The Rainbow Thief". He has several
children, among them his sons Brontis, Adan and Axel, who have appeared in
his films.
[from imdb.com]
The Lemming
Brandon Freels <b.j.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Are you in the UK? This "region 1," "region 2," (etc) business sucks.
>
Yes, South of England. Region 1, 2 etc? Categaories of DVD stuff like the
video PAL/ NTSC thing?
Brandon Freels
> Yes, South of England. Region 1, 2 etc? Categaories of DVD stuff like the
> video PAL/ NTSC thing?
From http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html
[1.10] What are "regional codes," "country codes," or "zone locks"?
Motion picture studios want to control the home release of movies in
different countries because theater releases aren't simultaneous (a movie
may come out on video in the U.S. when it's just hitting screens in Europe).
Also, studios sell distribution rights to different foreign distributors and
would like to guarantee an exclusive market. Therefore they required that
the DVD standard include codes that can be used to prevent playback of
certain discs in certain geographical regions. Each player is given a code
for the region in which it's sold. The player will refuse to play discs that
are not coded for its region. This means that discs bought in one country
may not play on players bought in another country. Some people believe that
region codes are an illegal restraint of trade, but there have been no legal
cases to establish this.
Regional codes are entirely optional for the maker of a disc. Discs without
region locks will play on any player in any country. It's not an encryption
system, it's just one byte of information on the disc that the player
checks. Some studios originally announced that only their new releases would
have regional codes, but so far almost all Hollywood releases play in only
one region. Region codes are a permanent part of the disc, they won't
"unlock" after a period of time. Region codes do not apply to DVD-Audio.
There are 8 regions (also called "locales"). Players and discs are often
identified by the region number superimposed on a world globe. If a disc
plays in more than one region it will have more than one number on the
globe.
1: U.S., Canada, U.S. Territories
2: Japan, Europe, South Africa, and Middle East (including Egypt)
3: Southeast Asia and East Asia (including Hong Kong)
4: Australia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands, Central America, Mexico, South
America, and the Caribbean
5: Eastern Europe (Former Soviet Union), Indian subcontinent, Africa, North
Korea, and Mongolia
6: China
7: Reserved
8: Special international venues (airplanes, cruise ships, etc.)
(See the map at <www.unik.no/~robert/hifi/dvd/world.html>.)
Technically there is no such thing as a region 0 disc or a region 0 player.
There is such thing as an all-region disc. There are also all-region
players. Some players can be "hacked" with special command sequences from
the remote control to switch regions or play all regions. Some players can
be physically modified ("chipped") to play discs regardless of the regional
codes on the disc. This usually voids the warranty, but is not illegal in
most countries. (The only thing that requires player manufacturers to
region-code their players is the CSS license. See 1.11) On Feb. 7, 2001,
NASA sent two multiregion DVD players to the International Space Station.
Some discs from Fox, Buena Vista/Touchstone/Miramax, MGM/Universal,
Polygram, and Columbia TriStar contain program code that checks for the
proper region setting in the player. (There's Something About Mary and
Psycho are examples.) In late 2000, Warner Bros. began using the same active
region code checking that other studios had been using for over a year. They
called it "region code enhancement" (RCE, also known as REA), and it
received much publicity. RCE was first added to discs such as The Patriot
and The Perfect Storm. "Smart discs" with active region checking won't play
on code-free players that are set for all regions (FFh), but they can be
played on manual code-switchable players that allow you to change the region
using the remote control. They may not work on auto-switching players that
recognize and match the disc region. (It depends on the default region
setting of the player. A disc can have all its region flags set so that the
player doesn't know which one to switch to, then it can query the player for
the region setting and abort if it's the wrong one. A default setting of
region 1 will fool smart discs from region 1.) When an RCE disc detects the
wrong region or an all-region player, it will usually put up a message
saying that the player may have been altered and that the disc is not
compatible with the player. A serious side effect is that some legitimate
players fail the test, such as the Fisher DVDS-1000.
There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when RCE first appeared, but
DVD fans quickly learned that it only affected some players. Makers of
player modification kits that didn't work with RCE soon modified their chips
to get around it. For every higher wall there is an even higher ladder.
Information about modifying players can be found on the Internet (at sites
such as Code Free DVD, Region Free DVD, dvdkits.com, DVD Upgrades, DVD In
the World, Link Electronics, PlanetDVD, 7thZone, Techtronics, Upgrade
Heaven, and <www.brouhaha.com/~eric/video/dvd/>; for Mac: DVD Utilities for
Macintosh) and in the rec.video.dvd newsgroups (searchable at Deja.com).
There's more codefree player info at DVDCity.
Regional codes apply to game consoles such as PlayStation 2 and Xbox, but
only for DVD-Video (movie) discs, not games. Regional codes also apply to
DVD-ROM systems, but affect only DVD-Video discs, not DVD-ROM discs
containing computer software. Computer playback systems check for regional
codes before playing movies from a CSS-protected DVD-Video (see 1.11 for CSS
info). Newer RPC2 DVD-ROM drives let you change the region code several
times. (RPC stands for region protection control.) Once an RPC2 drive has
reached the limit of 5 changes it can't be changed again unless the vendor
or manufacturer resets the drive. The Drive Info utility can tell you if you
have an RPC2 drive (it will say "This drive has region protection"). Drive
Info and information about circumventing DVD-ROM region restrictions is
available from Internet sites such as Visual Domain and DVD Infomatrix, as
well as links listed above. After December 31, 1999, only RPC2 drives are
being manufactured.
Laury
John Lynch's* 'Eraserhead'. (the fat cheeked singer behind the
radiator, the 'alien' baby, and the pencil erasers made from
grey matter)
Don't know if he's still making the way-out films anymore.
*He of Twin Peaks fame
Brandon Freels
"Laury" <gnik...@moc.tenretnitb> wrote in message
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Parry
>
> I wrote
> > I don't know that much about Jodorowsky's history. The few short online
> > bio's of him never mention the Surrealist movement ...
>
> Untill now. I wouldn't mind hearing more information on Jodorowsky's
> surrealist review, "S.NOB".
[snip]
If you can read Spanish: Jodorowsky has several books which appear to
collect most everything he’s written. For instance,
http://libros.netstoreusa.com/0110/9682/9682706688.shtml and other
titles at this site.
-- Parry
Jean-Jacqu...@wanadoo.fr
<b.j.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>From http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html
>
>[1.10] What are "regional codes," "country codes," or "zone locks"?
etc.
lot of thanks.
helped a lot.
Laury
Dale Houstman
"Laury" <gnik...@moc.tenretnitb> wrote in message
> |
> Thank goodness someone's awake
Be more grateful some of us aren't.
dmh
>
>
Matthew Florez
"Meshes Of the Afternoon" is one of the all time greats.
-Matthew
Brandon Freels <b.j.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Don't forget Bunuel and Svankmajer (the only two, to my knowledge,
actually
> involved with the movement).
> And Jodorowsky.
>
> I've never seen any Kusturica or Raul Ruiz (at least the names aren't
> familiar).
>
> There was a female director too ... I suddenly forgot her name ...
>
elag
>
> Might you be reffreing to Maya Deren?
>
> "Meshes Of the Afternoon" is one of the all time greats.
Also:
"A Study In Choreography For the Camera"
"Ritual in Transfigured Time"
and others...
http://www.algonet.se/~mjsull/
My Heroin(e)
Treeclimbr
stuff. If anyone reading this newsgroup
hasn't seen Brothers Quay or
Svankmajer, they're really missing out.
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Laury
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| Been getting into Larry Jordan. Excellent
| stuff. If anyone reading this newsgroup
| hasn't seen Brothers Quay or
| Svankmajer, they're really missing out.
Yes, we've overlooked animation.
That opens a rich seam; even the kids' cartoons drip with
surreal images. I wonder if Disney's drunken Dumbo dream
qualifies?
--
Laury King at BT Internet dot com
Treeclimbr
have gotten into real life film in their
last few works.
ZONTAR JOHNSON
> Un Chien Andalou
Un Chien Andalou should have a Tango soundtrack.
Jan Bielawski
Actually, this is a response to the original question on this thread
(for some reason Google won't let me post this after the first
article).
The skull "living sculpture" was set up by Salvador Dali for the
famous photographer Philippe Halsmann, check his photo albums.
- Jan Bielawski
San Francisco, CA
Tara Star
while we're in the Dali stuff, does anybody know of an online resource
which discusses the problematic of space and time in his work (written
and visual) - as well as the theme of atomic physics? If you know of
any books which specifically treat the subject, I'd be happy to hear
about them too.
I'm preparing my degree exam on this subject - so I have all the
"general" texts and stuff, but I was wondering if anybody had written
anything on these areas of research before.
Thanks for any help,
Tara
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