started
david neal
eye.
Dale Houstman
"david neal" <david-...@beeb.net> wrote in message
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> bosch was exploring the surreal when Breton was just a twinkle in his mums
> eye.
It's debatable. While the superficial aspects of his work appear to support
this conclusion, one shouldn't forget that the paintings were meant as
rather vicious warnings to Christian souls that if they didn't straighten up
they were going to be ridden by fish-headed men for an eternity. Taken this
way, it doesn't really seem surreal in the larger arena of liberation.
Also - putting this aside - it would be more accurate to say that Bosch was
exploring a few facets of an unnamed and uncodified diamond that would later
be known as surrealism.
dmh
Nikolaus Maack
> It's debatable.
Everything is debatable, if you're cantankerous enough. No wait. I
challenge that statement. It is completely untrue. Let us debate it.
> While the superficial aspects of his work appear to support
> this conclusion
Bosch used paint. Some surrealists used paint. Bosch is surrealism.
God made greeks. Plato is greek. Plato is God.
Dogs hate cats. Cats hate dogs. Dogs are cats.
> one shouldn't forget that the paintings were meant as
> rather vicious warnings to Christian souls that if they didn't straighten up
> they were going to be ridden by fish-headed men for an eternity.
Sounds like paradise to me. Ride me, fish-headed man! Ride me forever
and ever! Ride me like the fish-headed man that you are!
> Taken this
> way, it doesn't really seem surreal in the larger arena of liberation.
Unless you like fish-headed men.
Vaguely unrelated story:
I ran into an idiot yesterday on IRC who thinks BDSM is very wrong. As
far as I can tell, he thinks it is wrong because it degrades women. Even
if it is consensual, this fellow said, it's very bad. I asked him if it
was okay for women to degrade men in a sadomasochistic way, and he had no
response. I asked him if it was okay if I tied my girlfriend up and
spanked her. He said it was very wrong -- terrible and awful and bad. I
asked if it was okay if I merely fantasized about tying up women and
abusing them. He said that was wrong too.
I tried to explain to him that he was an idiot. He seemed to disagree for
some reason. Oh well.
What that man needs is to be ridden by a fish-headed man. That would put
things in perspective for him.
Nik
--
You're not smart enough
to understand
how stupid I am.
Dale Houstman
"Nikolaus Maack" <ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> "Dale Houstman" (dm...@citilink.com) writes:
> > It's debatable.
>
> Everything is debatable, if you're cantankerous enough.
I smell Canadian stupid.
After that I always blank out...
dmh
Nikolaus Maack
> I smell Canadian stupid.
> After that I always blank out...
Dale, I can always count on you to say something "witty" in a short,
snappy sentence -- like one spoken by a midget prepubescent black child on
a 1980s sitcom.
Did you watch a lot of TV in the 80s? Who is the sexiest girl from "The
Facts of Life"? Joe always got my crank going. I adore tough, dykey,
outsider girls. I wonder what she's doing now? It would be wonderful to
see her do some kind of pornographic lesbian bondage video.
Hey -- it happened to the chick from "Different Strokes"! It could happen
to the cast of "Facts of Life". Any day now.
By the way, I was reading a description of zen and zen koans yesterday,
and it was almost identical to some of the ideas contained in surrealism.
Perhaps I will type in what I read later today, so that you can have
something to be angry about.
(I am Canadian. Read the word "about" as if it were "a boot".)
scot...@uswest.net
<dm...@citilink.com> wrote:
> an unnamed and uncodified diamond that would later
>be known as surrealism
Dale,
I enjoyed the short discussion between you and John regarding
the "discovery" of Surrealism that appears some threads back.
I think Brandon should consider adding a "miscellaneous questions"
category in his FAQs and in it have a heading "Who discovered
Surrealism" that includes an edited version of your and John's
discussion. I think that in a very efficient way it points to a kind
of "synthesizing agent" role that Benton played in his time.
I'm not sure I want to think of surrealism as a "diamond". A diamond
is a dead, very solid, end state of carbon. Surrealism has many
"synthesizing agents" living out their lives.
Scott
scot...@uswest.net
<dm...@citilink.com> wrote:
> an unnamed and uncodified diamond that would later
>be known as surrealism
Dale,
I enjoyed the short discussion between you and John regarding
the "discovery" of Surrealism that appears some threads back.
I think Brandon should consider adding a "miscellaneous questions"
category in his FAQs and in it have a heading "Who discovered
Surrealism" that includes an edited version of your and John's
discussion. I think that in a very efficient way it points to a kind
of "synthesizing agent" role that Benton played in his time.
I'm not sure I want to think of surrealism as a "diamond". A diamond
is a dead, very solid, end state of carbon. Surrealism has many
"synthesizing agents" living out their lives.
Scott
.... "Benton" ???
I saw this after i sent the original post. I guess I really don't
want to give the guy much.. oh well.. i live in my time..
Dale Houstman
<scot...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 May 2001 21:12:49 -0500, "Dale Houstman"
> <dm...@citilink.com> wrote:
>
> > an unnamed and uncodified diamond that would later
> >be known as surrealism
>
> Dale,
>
> I enjoyed the short discussion between you and John regarding
> the "discovery" of Surrealism that appears some threads back.
Barrett "got on" me about my early use of that word, and I do see that it is
problematic, although I think my clarification at length at least
ameliorated (in my mind) most of the problem. The crux is that surrealism
has a double character: it describes a long list of attributes and postures
vis a vis the imagination which - obviously - predate Breton and - in fact -
France. But it does denote a codification of those attitudes by a certain
person and at a certain time, which - again - was acted upon and expanded by
others living and dead. I didn't mean - in any way - to assign surrealism to
Breton as property, which I am sure he might have ousted me for, while
(egoistically) being pleased I noticed it!
>
> I think Brandon should consider adding a "miscellaneous questions"
> category in his FAQs and in it have a heading "Who discovered
> Surrealism" that includes an edited version of your and John's
> discussion. I think that in a very efficient way it points to a kind
> of "synthesizing agent" role that Benton played in his time.
This seems like a good notion to me.
>
> I'm not sure I want to think of surrealism as a "diamond". A diamond
> is a dead, very solid, end state of carbon. Surrealism has many
> "synthesizing agents" living out their lives.
>
Analogies have their problems I'm sure, but I have used "diamonds"
poetically many times, and - though I am aware of their physical state - I
see them as not-useless symbols of an ideal. That this is a commonplace
doesn't recommend it I know, but I can't help it: diamonds seem to hold some
degree of marvelousness for me that is quite separate from their monetary
position. But your point is a good one. "Graphite" doesn't quite do it
though...
dmh
Dale Houstman
more apt metaphor. Although one hesitates to bring up that butcher Columbus
in this regard, one might think of Breton's "discovery" of surrealism as a
stumbling upon a vast continent which people had lived upon sections of
since they fell out of the trees. This way he gets to be a "discoverer" in
the sense that he recognizes its "continence" although he didn't create it.
Or something to that effect?
dmh
Dale Houstman
<scot...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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It's an easy mistake: Andrew Benton discovered "sore-realism" in 1856, after
a long ride on a rough horse named Oneiria, sired by Trauma. His book
"Manifesto of Sore-Realism" sank without much notice, as he himself did in
the Allegheny, after being bucked into the river off another horse named
Automatic Riding. The world has many strange turns, but few tougher than
that one near the Allegheny. I often dream of him riding a horse made out of
graphite.
dmh
Parry
I thought the problem was that the word “discoverer” obscures the degree
to which the idea developed within a dynamic group (for which Breton
became the principle spokesman). As for the Columbus analogy, I didn’t
think people still said that Columbus discovered America, except when
reflexively repeating something they heard in school (the way some
Americans say “Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity”) or as a
euphemism for “he found a new target for European imperialism.” In any
case, being a “discoverer” doesn’t appear particularly significant.
Anyone who has the ability to have something fall on his head can be a
discoverer. More relevant is how someone builds upon the discovery, as
Breton did with the Manifestos.
You may have just used the word casually, but no one ever said semantics
if fair. I use the word casually myself, as in “since my spouse bought a
cd burner, I’ve discovered new ways to waste my time.”
-- Parry
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Dale Houstman
"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dale Houstman wrote:
> >
> > <scot...@uswest.net> wrote in message
> > news:v8b2ht8qn5l2f5g6o...@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 23 May 2001 21:12:49 -0500, "Dale Houstman"
> > > <dm...@citilink.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I want to think of surrealism as a "diamond". A diamond
> > > is a dead, very solid, end state of carbon. Surrealism has many
> > > "synthesizing agents" living out their lives.
> > >
> > On second thought, it seems that (in the original discussion) I hit on a
> > more apt metaphor. Although one hesitates to bring up that butcher
Columbus
> > in this regard, one might think of Breton's "discovery" of surrealism as
a
> > stumbling upon a vast continent which people had lived upon sections of
> > since they fell out of the trees. This way he gets to be a "discoverer"
in
> > the sense that he recognizes its "continence" although he didn't create
it.
> > Or something to that effect?
>
> I thought the problem was that the word "discoverer" obscures the degree
> to which the idea developed within a dynamic group (for which Breton
> became the principle spokesman).
I wasn't talking about the development, about which you are absolutely
correct of course. But there had to be something to develop first I would
think. There is probably little doubt that - like all discoveries and
inventions - all the elements were there and someone would have thought of
it, as it was a rather busy time creation-wise and specifically in the area
of "manifestos" and "movements" - but I think the odds of it being called
"surrealism" and of having all the features we have come to know and evolve
are long at best.
> As for the Columbus analogy, I didn't
> think people still said that Columbus discovered America, except when
> reflexively repeating something they heard in school (the way some
> Americans say "Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity") or as a
> euphemism for "he found a new target for European imperialism." In any
> case, being a "discoverer" doesn't appear particularly significant.
> Anyone who has the ability to have something fall on his head can be a
> discoverer. More relevant is how someone builds upon the discovery, as
> Breton did with the Manifestos.
More significant yes: I also think the development is more important than
the discovery. I didn't - in any way - mean to impart a hierarchy to the
discovery. But - nonetheless - I don't think it is too outre to say Breton
"discovered" (and named) the set of features that constitute surrealism, as
well as having a very large and active hand in the development. As for
Columbus - well, I admit to feeling uncomfortable about that analogy, and
will drop it. But semantically it's still true. You substitute (for
"discover") "found a new target for European imperialism." Really, "found"
is basically the same as "discovered." I didn't claim he discovered it
benignly. But if one says "he discovered a new target for European
imperialism" (true) he still is a discoverer, or (using your terminology) a
"founder." Six of one...
As for your "Newtonian" idea: obviously not everyone who had an apple fall
on their head "discovered" gravity ( a better analogy all in all maybe), so
whether or not that epiphany is available for everyone is beside the point
really. Anyone with a good boat could have sailed from Europe and "found"
the Americas, but they didn't. Anyone who heard Apollinaire's use of the
word "surrealism" and knew Vache could have "found" the salient features of
surrealism. But they didn't: Breton did. That others aided in the R&D of
that idea is obvious, but the idea had to exist first and it is almost
always individuals who provide such seeds, good, bad, or indifferent. A
group "developed" the atom bomb: Einstein "discovered" the atomic theory.
It's a small distinction perhaps, and one I am already tired of, but I think
it exists. At least until I hear an argument that makes me change my mind.
Then I will.
dmh
Parry
> "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote
> > As for the Columbus analogy, I didn't
> > think people still said that Columbus discovered America, except when
> > reflexively repeating something they heard in school (the way some
> > Americans say "Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity") or as a
> > euphemism for "he found a new target for European imperialism." In any
> > case, being a "discoverer" doesn't appear particularly significant.
> > Anyone who has the ability to have something fall on his head can be a
> > discoverer. More relevant is how someone builds upon the discovery, as
> > Breton did with the Manifestos.
>
> More significant yes: I also think the development is more important than
> the discovery. I didn't - in any way - mean to impart a hierarchy to the
> discovery. But - nonetheless - I don't think it is too outre to say Breton
> "discovered" (and named) the set of features that constitute surrealism, as
> well as having a very large and active hand in the development. As for
> Columbus - well, I admit to feeling uncomfortable about that analogy, and
> will drop it. But semantically it's still true. You substitute (for
> "discover") "found a new target for European imperialism." Really, "found"
> is basically the same as "discovered." I didn't claim he discovered it
> benignly. But if one says "he discovered a new target for European
> imperialism" (true) he still is a discoverer, or (using your terminology) a
> "founder." Six of one...
I didn’t mean to suggest “found” was different from “discovered” but
just to say the phrase “discovered America” is euphemistic.
> As for your "Newtonian" idea: obviously not everyone who had an apple fall
> on their head "discovered" gravity ( a better analogy all in all maybe), so
> whether or not that epiphany is available for everyone is beside the point
> really. Anyone with a good boat could have sailed from Europe and "found"
> the Americas, but they didn't.
Well, Columbus wasn’t the first, and he was hardly alone on his own
trip. Shouldn’t his crew and backers be credited as co-”discoverers”?
> Anyone who heard Apollinaire's use of the
> word "surrealism" and knew Vache could have "found" the salient features of
> surrealism. But they didn't: Breton did. That others aided in the R&D of
> that idea is obvious, but the idea had to exist first and it is almost
> always individuals who provide such seeds, good, bad, or indifferent. A
> group "developed" the atom bomb: Einstein "discovered" the atomic theory.
> It's a small distinction perhaps, and one I am already tired of, but I think
> it exists. At least until I hear an argument that makes me change my mind.
> Then I will.
I’ve no argument other than that words like “discover” rub me the wrong
way. Einstein’s case provides an example why. Growing up I could read
how Einstein’s discovery that E=mc-squared was one of the greatest
achievements of the human mind. Years later, to read that Einstein
wasn’t the first to strike that formula appears to diminish his
accomplishments, unjustly so. After an education in the feats of great
individuals, I became inclined to the opposite view -- that ideas,
texts, even individuals, are the products of the interplay of social
forces (though the genius capacity of a brain like Einstein’s isn’t
insignificant). But I’ve no real problem with saying Breton discovered
surrealism; only a faint dread of someday seeing a plaque in a Paris
café reading “André Breton discovered surrealism here in February 1924.”
Dale Houstman
"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
Don't know how. (For Europeans) he discovered America. It's just a fact,
although a certain patina of respectability has adhered to the word since,
there is no "good/evil" dichotomy that is particularly intrinsic to
"discovery". You could discover tomorrow that there is a small
pre-industrial race living in your kitchen drawer. What you do to them
afterwards doesn't change the fact of discovery.
>
>
> > As for your "Newtonian" idea: obviously not everyone who had an apple
fall
> > on their head "discovered" gravity ( a better analogy all in all maybe),
so
> > whether or not that epiphany is available for everyone is beside the
point
> > really. Anyone with a good boat could have sailed from Europe and
"found"
> > the Americas, but they didn't.
>
> Well, Columbus wasn't the first, and he was hardly alone on his own
> trip. Shouldn't his crew and backers be credited as co-"discoverers"?
Well - of course: history is a parade of supposed "great" men; but there is
a difference isn't there? From all accounts, nobody was there on Breton's
boat when it sailed into port. They all arrived a little later.
Ah! That does seem odious. Maybe they could have a statue of him staring off
into the vague infinite distance where we could see a burning giraffe and a
woman with a pork chop on her shoulder. From a public aesthetic point of
view I see where you're coming from. But this seems like two different
problems with the word. Let's just say Breton bumped into the matronly
Surrealism on her way out of a passe bistro, and that he handily recognized
her as one of the once famous HooHoo Twins, "Musical Mysteries & Marvelous
Mammalian Movements Guaranteed!"
dmh
john adams
although a certain patina of respectability has adhered to the word since,
there is no "good/evil" dichotomy that is particularly intrinsic to
"discovery". You could discover tomorrow that there is a small
pre-industrial race living in your kitchen drawer. What you do to them
afterwards doesn't change the fact of discovery>>
Well if you want to get into the facts, everyone is in a constant state of
discovery. Indians discovered America, The Vikings discovered America,
Columbus came along somewhere 5th or 6th, officially. In fact, surrealism
is a personal kind of discovery process, so it would be wrong to discount
the word itself. Note: there are a lot of little discovers running about. Some with
runny noses, others only now beginning to run; in a new and galliant way, someone
may inevitably discover their hand will not go into the ass of a bird like a glove
afterall, as so conveniently prescribed in the gradeschool textbooks. It's only a
matter of discovering the borders and relinquishing them (which is always fun).
john
Dale Houstman
"john adams" <johnqa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <<Don't know how. (For Europeans) he discovered America. It's just a fact,
> although a certain patina of respectability has adhered to the word since,
> there is no "good/evil" dichotomy that is particularly intrinsic to
> "discovery". You could discover tomorrow that there is a small
> pre-industrial race living in your kitchen drawer. What you do to them
> afterwards doesn't change the fact of discovery>>
>
> Well if you want to get into the facts, everyone is in a constant state of
> discovery. Indians discovered America, The Vikings discovered America,
> Columbus came along somewhere 5th or 6th, officially.
True, but it still doesn't alter the fact that they all discovered America.
Like I said, I don't believe there's any proprietary aspect to discovery.
The jury's still out on the Vikings. Hell, I think rock discovered America
first, but they just don't look good on Time covers: "Granite Slab Finds
Continent Beneath Itself." But - then again - granite slabs (or even flakes
of pumice) look better than Guliani in net stockings, or Bush in a permanent
quandary. I used to wear a rumpled quandary, but it finally went through too
many washings, and the woof debarked.
dmh
david neal
> surrealism; only a faint dread of someday seeing a plaque in a Paris
> café reading "André Breton discovered surrealism here in February 1924."
>
> -- Parry
>
>
was in charge of it yeah, but it was group experimentation that discovered
surrealism.
barrett john erickson
to say that Breton was "in charge" of surrealism is infinitely less
defendable than saying he "discovered" it.
barrett
keav...@elmer4.bobst.nyu.edu
surrealism manifested itself. He was the medium. This has a lot to do with
psycho-evolution. It may have been that Breton, in 1924 provided surrealism
with the cognitive womb for gestation. I venture to say that this occurred
without Breton's knowledge. I suspect that surrealism slowly and silently
grew inside Breton eventually leading to his death, which I believe was in
1966. Are there any autopsy reports?
In article <9gb2l8$2fq5$1...@news.beeb.net> "david neal" <david-...@beeb.net>
writes:>From: "david neal" <david-...@beeb.net>
>Subject: Re: started
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:09:46 +0100
Brandon Freels
<keav...@elmer4.bobst.nyu.edu> wrote in message
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Nikolaus Maack
> to say that Breton was "in charge" of surrealism is infinitely less
> defendable than saying he "discovered" it.
It would be far more accurate to say he tried to be in charge of it --
kicking anyone out of the group that didn't play by his rules -- but
failed. Much to his own annoyance, surrealism was bigger than he was, and
could not be controlled.
We have heard that Dali once announced, "I am surrealism!" Breton said the
same thing about himself. What's amusing is watching modern day
surrealists and historians trying to decide which corpse is right,
feverishly pinning surrealism on whichever dead body has more appeal to
their own personalities.
Andre Breton is dead. Salvadore Dali is dead. Long live surrealism --
whatever that is.
Dale Houstman
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> Surrealism wasn't invented.
>
I can agree to this, although I do think these arguements over "discovery"
and "invention" miss almost everything of interest (as far as I'm concerned)
that lies in surrealism. The best that can be said is that Breton "codified"
a pre-existing set of ideas and processes (along with the help and
collaboration of others), but that these ideas and processes themselves
pre-date Breton and anyone else by a good few thousand years, and that those
who come after Breton and the original surrealists are not bound by any rule
to follow strictly any "rules" they might have dropped like tapir spoor
along the way, although we should not go so far as to say that a complete
obliteration of these ideas and processes (usually done in ignorance of
their history and documentations) in favor of "neu-"anything will suffice
either.
Or words to that effect...
dmh
john adams
first place. Because there was too heavy an emphasis on these
very things - discovery, invention - as opposed to group experimentation
and discovery, etc.
john
"Dale Houstman" <dm...@citilink.com> wrote in message
Dale Houstman
> Well I think that is why the so-called argument developed in the
> first place. Because there was too heavy an emphasis on these
> very things - discovery, invention - as opposed to group experimentation
> and discovery, etc.
>
insists fits the facts as neatly as necessary) can be rightly construed as a
heavy emphasis on the one over the other, especially as I went to some pains
to insist that the group activity was of primary importance, and that
surrealism (in most aspects) pre-dates and survives Breton quite handily.
But enough of this stuff... Let's talk about cookies!
dmh
elag
Surely you must mean "biscuits".
Dale Houstman
elag
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(Haj Pesteh)
Peeling the pistachios really enhances the green color of these
cookies—pistachio skins can be
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Active time: 1 1/2 hr Start to finish: 2 1/2 hr
3 cups unsalted shelled natural pistachios (15 oz)
1 2/3 cups confectioners sugar plus additional for dusting
1 whole large egg
2 large egg yolks
1 tablespoon unsalted butter, melted
1 teaspoon rose water (preferably French)
Blanch pistachios in boiling water 1 minute, then drain and peel (slip
off skins with your fingers). Dry
with paper towels. Spread in a shallow baking pan and bake in middle of
oven until just dry, about 10
minutes, then cool completely.
Pulse nuts and confectioners sugar in a food processor until finely
ground (be careful not to
overprocess into a paste).
Stir together whole egg and yolks in a large bowl with a fork and stir
in ground pistachios, a little at a
time, until a dough forms (it will be slightly sticky). Add butter and
rose water and knead to combine.
Form dough into 2 disks.
Keeping 1 disk covered with plastic wrap, roll out other disk about 3/4
inch thick on a well-floured surface and cut out
various shapes with floured cookie cutters.
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and bottoms are golden, 20 to 25 minutes. Transfer
cookies with a metal spatula to a rack to cool and dust with
confectioners sugar while still warm. Make more cookies with
remaining dough, rerolling scraps.
Cooks' note:
• Cookies keep in an airtight container at room temperature 2 days.
Makes about 40 (1 1/2-inch) cookies
Treeclimbr
me I will say PISTACHIO COOKIE!
It's more convulsive than politically
correct by far!
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Dale Houstman
melange of dried tobacco leaves (blackened with sugared tar) and political
whitewash. All topped off (in the East) with a few sprinkles of bullet
casings, and (in the West) delightful wedges of pickled canvas board. In the
mining camps of the 1890's this confection was used to lure whiskey booters
into small metal huts, where they were brained with a miniature statue of
Robespierre and stuffed into a lady's reticule. The cakes were often then
recycled as wagon wheels and paperweights, much to the consternation of one
Father Brandy Bellows, leader of the Church of Persistent Sinusitus, who -
it is assumed - read some infernal symoblism into the entire pastry affair.
He had a dog named Lilly, who could read The Daily Ratchet. Only the want
ads though. She was later sold to a traveling circus and her sun-dried
carcass now holds an honorable position in the White House's little known
Flagellation Room, decorated by Nancy Reagan in pink silk and bongos of a
rather disturbing pitch.
dmh
john adams
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>
> "elag" <el...@cloud9.net> wrote in message
> news:3B2D181F...@cloud9.net...
> > Dale Houstman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > Could be, but I can't say my mere use of the word "discovery" (which
> I
> > > still
> > > > > insists fits the facts as neatly as necessary) can be rightly
> construed
> > > as a
> > > > > heavy emphasis on the one over the other, especially as I went to
> some
> > > pains
> > > > > to insist that the group activity was of primary importance, and
> that
> > > > > surrealism (in most aspects) pre-dates and survives Breton quite
> > > handily.
> > > > > But enough of this stuff... Let's talk about cookies!
Let's talk with our hands in our pockets,
and discuss the makings of a new Virginia
Let's talk about the sun away from suns
Let's run with our pockets in our hands
away from this entirety of bankrobbing
and fiddlers poking under the gladstone
Let's take the razors to the test
of these ideical protestors in the bush
And see if we can't strap the lamb to the hood
and make it to big Al's bbq by noon
where it is rumored by S.I.
he will be serving bramble cakes later
in honor of the little dwarf
with the gold hoof
- as per a faint message seeped through by the automatic flatulence
of her first lady.
Dale Houstman
>
> Let's talk with our hands in our pockets,
> and discuss the makings of a new Virginia
> Let's talk about the sun away from suns
> Let's run with our pockets in our hands
> away from this entirety of bankrobbing
> and fiddlers poking under the gladstone
> Let's take the razors to the test
> of these ideical protestors in the bush
> And see if we can't strap the lamb to the hood
> and make it to big Al's bbq by noon
> where it is rumored by S.I.
> he will be serving bramble cakes later
> in honor of the little dwarf
> with the gold hoof
>
>
> - as per a faint message seeped through by the automatic flatulence
> of her first lady.
Let's pocket our talk in our hands
or not talk at all,
disgusted with the unlacing of Virginia.
Let's leave our talk out in the sun
with our nude pockets and our naked hands
away from the entire ideal of bankrobbery
by fiddlers paid by Gladstone
Let's take the raisins to the West
where a thick tease of deified porktesters
beat around the bloody bush (who also isn't talking)
And see if we can't strip the hooded lamp
of unmade beds and noons rumored by the C.I.A.
to be in servitude to the servant's peramulators
and brundle cakes of lard and ladders
in horror of the Latino dwarf
and the gold hook
blinking at the bottom of a blood-filled tumbler
as if the president were merely joking
and we felt tremulous and occidental.
dmh
elag
>
> Now when anyone every says PC around
> me I will say PISTACHIO COOKIE!
>
> It's more convulsive than politically
> correct by far!
Hallp!!! My PISTACHIO COOKIE just crashed!
elag
> >
> > PISTACHIO COOKIE?
> >
> Close, but no possum: it's short for Penguin Cake: a deliciously formal
> melange of dried tobacco leaves (blackened with sugared tar) and political
> whitewash. All topped off (in the East) with a few sprinkles of bullet
> casings, and (in the West) delightful wedges of pickled canvas board. In the
> mining camps of the 1890's this confection was used to lure whiskey booters
> into small metal huts, where they were brained with a miniature statue of
> Robespierre and stuffed into a lady's reticule. The cakes were often then
> recycled as wagon wheels and paperweights, much to the consternation of one
> Father Brandy Bellows, leader of the Church of Persistent Sinusitus, who -
> it is assumed - read some infernal symoblism into the entire pastry affair.
> He had a dog named Lilly, who could read The Daily Ratchet. Only the want
> ads though. She was later sold to a traveling circus and her sun-dried
> carcass now holds an honorable position in the White House's little known
> Flagellation Room, decorated by Nancy Reagan in pink silk and bongos of a
> rather disturbing pitch.
The favourite foods of...
Robespierre: The Napoleon
Nancy Reagan: "Let Them Eat" Cake
elag
\> Let's talk with our hands in our pockets,
> and discuss the makings of a new Virginia
> Let's talk about the sun away from suns
> Let's run with our pockets in our hands
> away from this entirety of bankrobbing
> and fiddlers poking under the gladstone
> Let's take the razors to the test
> of these ideical protestors in the bush
> And see if we can't strap the lamb to the hood
> and make it to big Al's bbq by noon
> where it is rumored by S.I.
> he will be serving bramble cakes later
> in honor of the little dwarf
> with the gold hoof
>
> - as per a faint message seeped through by the automatic flatulence
> of her first lady.
A short short time ago in a land 6 blocks away: I owned no air
conditioner and during a brutal heat wave I spent 8 hours a day at the
local library looking at ancient maps of Europe. As I was leaving with
an armfull of Philip K. Dick novels I reached into my pocket for my
watch and pulled out a handfull of cold air. Since it was 95 outside I
half expected it to rain in my palm.
Dale Houstman
The favorite food of Robespierre was blood pudding.
dmh
john adams
"Dale Houstman" <dm...@citilink.com> wrote in message news:9glma...@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> "john adams" <johnqa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rnoX6.15813$Kq4.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
> >
> > Let's talk with our hands in our pockets,
> > and discuss the makings of a new Virginia
> > Let's talk about the sun away from suns
> > Let's run with our pockets in our hands
> > away from this entirety of bankrobbing
> > and fiddlers poking under the gladstone
> > Let's take the razors to the test
> > of these ideical protestors in the bush
> > And see if we can't strap the lamb to the hood
> > and make it to big Al's bbq by noon
> > where it is rumored by S.I.
> > he will be serving bramble cakes later
> > in honor of the little dwarf
> > with the gold hoof
*and an acorn for a tooth.
> > - as per a faint message seeped through by the automatic flatulence
> > of her first lady.
>
> Let's pocket our talk in our hands
> or not talk at all,
> disgusted with the unlacing of Virginia.
> Let's leave our talk out in the sun
> with our nude pockets and our naked hands
> away from the entire ideal of bankrobbery
> by fiddlers paid by Gladstone
> Let's take the raisins to the West
> where a thick tease of deified porktesters
> beat around the bloody bush (who also isn't talking)
> And see if we can't strip the hooded lamp
> of unmade beds and noons rumored by the C.I.A.
> to be in servitude to the servant's peramulators
> and brundle cakes of lard and ladders
> in horror of the Latino dwarf
> and the gold hook
> blinking at the bottom of a blood-filled tumbler
> as if the president were merely joking
> and we felt tremulous and occidental.
>
> dmh
Let's walk with the sun hanging out our pockets
or roll around in jet fuel beneath the moon.
Yes, let's walk this lonely stretch of heartland
and ancient heebee gee willakers,
across sonic plentifuls and peter noons
as the rocks of giants whisper soot
from the angled hook of preposterous legations.
The happenstance lizards are glad as dwarves.
The heels of Mo are slumped with mud.
And are we not all blood-filled and glad stones?
All hoofed maps receding into fumes?
The lords of ladders race hastily against the tomb.
john
john adams
"elag" <el...@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:3B2E7199...@cloud9.net...
Rain does occur at the palms, it is proven, just below the tropics. A supple
conditioner is recommended after such showers to maintain proper moisture
puddles, keep out sand and dust particles, and reinforce hair follicles at the
base of the scaley tusk. Also remember to have a sack of flies nearby.
john
Dale Houstman
>
>
> Let's walk with the sun hanging out our pockets
> or roll around in jet fuel beneath the moon.
> Yes, let's walk this lonely stretch of heartland
> and ancient heebee gee willakers,
> across sonic plentifuls and peter noons
> as the rocks of giants whisper soot
> from the angled hook of preposterous legations.
> The happenstance lizards are glad as dwarves.
> The heels of Mo are slumped with mud.
> And are we not all blood-filled and glad stones?
> All hoofed maps receding into fumes?
> The lords of ladders race hastily against the tomb.
>
> john
Lett worked in the hangman's sun, his pockets
full of moonlit jet fuel, ancient. This behemoth stretched out
his hand and heart to the willowy gee gee, whose peter
was sonically pleasing to the ears of Paul, the rock whisperer
whose angel-sooted ligatures called to the lizards at the
heels of Mao, the moody stump remover. Mud and sparrow
blood gilded the stones and half-loaves of reticent flames
larded on the lids and labels of hasty pudding tombs.
dmh
>
>
>
>
elag
> > Robespierre: The Napoleon
> > Nancy Reagan: "Let Them Eat" Cake
>
> The favorite food of Robespierre was blood pudding.
I'm sure that he also adored (off with his) Head Cheese.
Dale Houstman
Chopped liver and celery blades with a glass of sangria.
dmh
john adams
"Dale Houstman" <dm...@citilink.com> wrote in message news:9gn9i...@enews3.newsguy.com...
The breathless sun remarked down upon the town of Let: " there
will be no allowances in summer of shining no-reprieve". Lizard Google
had his hand removed by the sheer thought of a sonic whisper. The mud
flame baked on the ocean floor, lards in limbo melted sighingly breathless too.
"No pudding for the town of Let, nothing doing". An angry pond hopper
flung itself at the sun. "Let there be laughter upon our small town of few".
Several Mos stood by undecided. In a breath of ancient jet fuel, the sun
spewed lazy inoperable camcorders down to Virginia Gardens. Sure as the
behemoth's gas, a rain dance insued, and nine tenths of the Stones of Let
were once again filled with blood and bone.
john
Dale Houstman
The remarkable sun bread wrote a letter to summer
A gaggle of lepers moved taut shears
Sonja Whiskers muddled with a bakelite flume
The ocean was floored by the limbic sigh of the breadless gnu gun
Snow pudding letters in a dung pond
Dennis Hopper was a molten flue
Monks studied the decimated breath of a nascent general
The sun's pews were full of listing glazes on Virginia cams
Gardens with gassy shores in a rain of dunces
Insured, nine teens stoned wereotters with hand bones
dmh
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