Surrealist Philosophy
Mags
surrealist philosophy?
Thanks,
Mags
Elephants are not camels.
Brandon J. Freels
> Alright, could someone enlighten me about the glorious subject of
> surrealist philosophy?
Elephants and camels become elephamels, and celephants.
dale houstman
Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
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> Alright, could someone enlighten me about the glorious subject >of
surrealist philosophy?
I am certain someone could try, but the flippant tone of the request doesn't
bode well, does it?
Read "The Manifestos of Surrealism" by Andre Breton. Then read Breton's
"Nadja." But - mainly - attempt to free your perceptions from their
socialization and exploitation. Then you might start creating a portion of
that philosophy yourself, since (as some of us well know) that philosophy is
still in development around the world. A permanent revolution of the mind
that involves a re-investigation of your presumptions.
This - at the outset - may include rather dramatic shifts in your actions;
for several months when I was 21, I made it my business to contradict my
emotional responses: if I felt one way about something one day, I attempted
to feel the opposite the next, and so on. It could involve walking the
streets and trying to see afresh the most common objects, as though you were
an alien, or from the past thrust into unfamiliar territory. And such...
From these (and other processes) you might develop enough perspective on
your own position in the culture to see your way to whatever you wish.
DMH
Mags
>
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991116...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > Alright, could someone enlighten me about the glorious subject >of
> surrealist philosophy?
>
> I am certain someone could try, but the flippant tone of the request doesn't
> bode well, does it?
Flippant? Maybe your perception has been taught/learned to take
frustrated requests as flippant... Talk about personal.
>
> Read "The Manifestos of Surrealism" by Andre Breton. Then read Breton's
> "Nadja." But - mainly - attempt to free your perceptions from their
> socialization and exploitation. Then you might start creating a portion of
> that philosophy yourself, since (as some of us well know) that philosophy is
> still in development around the world. A permanent revolution of the mind
> that involves a re-investigation of your presumptions.
>
Freeing perceptions. So, in a way, is surrealism an attempt at being
original to death?
> This - at the outset - may include rather dramatic shifts in your actions;
> for several months when I was 21, I made it my business to contradict my
> emotional responses: if I felt one way about something one day, I attempted
> to feel the opposite the next, and so on. It could involve walking the
> streets and trying to see afresh the most common objects, as though you were
> an alien, or from the past thrust into unfamiliar territory. And such...
>
When you say that it included shifts in your actions - were you in control
of your actions or did you find it difficult to tell your body/mind what
to do? I wouldn't want to be stuck with something like this if I can't
have control over it - I mean, if I'm feelign happy one day, I'd rather
feel different kind of happy the next day, not unhappy (the opposite of
happy)...
> From these (and other processes) you might develop enough perspective on
> your own position in the culture to see your way to whatever you wish.
Gotcha.
Thank you, Dale.
Mags
> Mags wrote
> > Alright, could someone enlighten me about the glorious subject of
> > surrealist philosophy?
>
> Elephants and camels become elephamels, and celephants.
>
ooh, I like.
dale houstman
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
>
> >
> > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991116...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > surrealist philosophy?
> >
doesn't
> > bode well, does it?
>
>
> Flippant? Maybe your perception has been taught/learned to take
> frustrated requests as flippant... Talk about personal.
Nothing personal about it, Mags... the issue has nothing to do with me, and
I am not going to be the one to write privately to you begging you to "get
off my case." The flippancy of your tone (real or not) in no way strikes me
as a personal affront, merely as a hinderance to comprehension... Take that
as you will.
>
>
> >
>
> When you say that it included shifts in your actions - >were you in
control of your actions or did you find it >difficult to tell your body/mind
what to do? I wouldn't >want to be stuck with something like this if I
can't
> have control over it - I mean, if I'm feelign happy one >day, I'd rather
feel different kind of happy the next day, >not unhappy (the opposite of
happy)...
It's up to you; I was just giving an example of my early appreciation of
some vaguely understood concepts. I can't say that I never felt a lack of
control, but it did provide me with new tools of comprehension, and the
beginning of a way out of socialization/domestication of the senses. For the
most part it merely involved an aesthetic shift, and nuances of alienation.
Or you might drink Aqua-Velva from a wooden cup...
DMH
Mags
>
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991117...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991116...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > > > Alright, could someone enlighten me about the glorious subject >of
> > > surrealist philosophy?
> > >
> > > I am certain someone could try, but the flippant tone of the request
> doesn't
> > > bode well, does it?
> >
> >
> > Flippant? Maybe your perception has been taught/learned to take
> > frustrated requests as flippant... Talk about personal.
>
> Nothing personal about it, Mags... the issue has nothing to do with me, and
> I am not going to be the one to write privately to you begging you to "get
> off my case." The flippancy of your tone (real or not) in no way strikes me
> as a personal affront, merely as a hinderance to comprehension... Take that
> as you will.
> >
Nothing personal, yet you are willing to bring up personal correspondence
that was not posted on the newsgroup on purpose as your weapon. Your
system of values baffles me. Cheers, Dale.
> >
> > >
> >
> > When you say that it included shifts in your actions - >were you in
> control of your actions or did you find it >difficult to tell your body/mind
> what to do? I wouldn't >want to be stuck with something like this if I
> can't
> > have control over it - I mean, if I'm feelign happy one >day, I'd rather
> feel different kind of happy the next day, >not unhappy (the opposite of
> happy)...
>
> It's up to you; I was just giving an example of my early appreciation of
> some vaguely understood concepts. I can't say that I never felt a lack of
> control, but it did provide me with new tools of comprehension, and the
> beginning of a way out of socialization/domestication of the senses. For the
> most part it merely involved an aesthetic shift, and nuances of alienation.
>
So, freedom of perception leading to new experiences, providing for ways
to understand better. (This is just to straighten it out).
Explain more about the nuances of alienation, please?
> Or you might drink Aqua-Velva from a wooden cup...
Or go after the Holy Grail?
dale houstman
Actually, Mags, your usage "talk about personal" was a direct reference to
the private letter, so I don't feel too bad. At any rate, the existence or
non-existence of your set of standards doesn't particularly interest me.
There are bigger issues than "netiquette" which doesn't interest me any more
than etiquette did.
>
> So, freedom of perception leading to new experiences, >providing for ways
to understand better. (This is just to >straighten it out). Explain more
about the nuances of >alienation, please?
You understand that I am taling about "early days" and about a then urgent
need to disassociate (as most young adults will at any rate) from the
socialization of the senses, including (or specifically) the imagination?
SAo when I speak of "nuances of alienation" I mean that I was not seeking to
be permanently isolated from a society that at any rate continues to
surround me, but only to place myself at subtle odds with its controls, or
those controls as manifested in me. For the most part - as far as my being a
poet were concerned - this added up to a reinvestigation of language, down
to the very street signs. It has ended in my uisage of texts as
"cannibalizing stations" (in which I pick and choose from words and phrases
to construct my poems) and in my comprehension of meaning as not an easily
paraphraseable "parable" that is hidden by the words, but as a "love-fest"
between the words themselves, a far more subtle type of content I think. I
don't put this forth as "original" (it isn't) because the doiong of it isn't
as much the point as the growth into it naturalness. In other words, I am
far more concerned with the sensual effects than in its literary
applications, as much as I like poetry.
Also - though I don't promote this approach - there are of course the old
stand-bys of disassociation: drugs and mortification of the flesh. To most
these are just different forms of the same old traps.
> > Or you might drink Aqua-Velva from a wooden cup...
>
> Or go after the Holy Grail?
Only if it is filled with the blood of a newt...
DMH
Mags
Dale:
> > >
> > > Nothing personal about it, Mags... the issue has nothing to do with me,
> and
> > > I am not going to be the one to write privately to you begging you to
> "get
> > > off my case." The flippancy of your tone (real or not) in no way strikes
> me
> > > as a personal affront, merely as a hinderance to comprehension... Take
> that
> > > as you will.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > Nothing personal, yet you are willing to bring up personal correspondence
> > that was not posted on the newsgroup on purpose as your weapon. Your
> > system of values baffles me. Cheers, Dale.
>
> Actually, Mags, your usage "talk about personal" was a direct reference to
> the private letter, so I don't feel too bad. At any rate, the existence or
> non-existence of your set of standards doesn't particularly interest me.
> There are bigger issues than "netiquette" which doesn't interest me any more
> than etiquette did.
> >
Wow. That's a lot of not being interested, Dale, for a person who so
fiercly responds to my posts. I feel loved.
> > Or go after the Holy Grail?
>
> Only if it is filled with the blood of a newt...
>
> DMH
>
why an amphibian? are they special in any way, or anything?
Mags
Last summer the Guggenheim Museum had the whole big shabang of surrealist
art. It was worth the 8 bucks. ;)
Experience-shexperiences.... I'd rather read something - 'cause I'm lazy
like that.
Mags
On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, cythera wrote:
> In article <80u56q$152$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "dale houstman" <dm...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991116...@is9.nyu.edu...
>
> > Read "The Manifestos of Surrealism" by Andre Breton. Then read
> Breton's
> > "Nadja." But - mainly - attempt to free your perceptions from their
> > socialization and exploitation. Then you might start creating a
> portion of
> > that philosophy yourself, since (as some of us well know) that
> philosophy is
> > still in development around the world. A permanent revolution of the
> mind
> > that involves a re-investigation of your presumptions.
>
>
> dear mags, do i understand correctly that you attend nyu, and perhaps
> Live in manhattan?
>
> if so, aren't you lucky! it's a surreal city
> last time i was in the MOMA, i saw bob dylan looking at the same
> art i was
> but mags, no one else's experiences are gonna be as great as your own.
> enjoy, and i'll look for your posts about those breton books. :)
> --
> cythera
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
>
Elephants are not camels.
dale houstman
>
>
> Wow. That's a lot of not being interested, Dale, for a >person who so
fiercly responds to my posts. I feel loved.
>
>
>
>
>
> why an amphibian? are they special in any way, or anything?
>
fascinating. And - with the salamander - they take it one step further, and
make it able to survive in fire. Personally, my favorite animal is the
tapir.
DMH
Mags
>
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu...
> >
> >
> > Wow. That's a lot of not being interested, Dale, for a >person who so
> fiercly responds to my posts. I feel loved.
> >
> It's nice to feel loved, but often it's an illusion...
hmm... Are you trying to tell me something here? ( :) )
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > why an amphibian? are they special in any way, or anything?
> >
> Witches thought so; I suppose they found their dual-nature (land and water)
> fascinating. And - with the salamander - they take it one step further, and
> make it able to survive in fire. Personally, my favorite animal is the
> tapir.
>
What do tapirs have to do with amphibians? Aren't they those weird
horse-looking things? Or am I completely confused? I mean, my specialty
are elephants....
Mags
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > Yeah, Cythera, I live in Manhattan.
>
> > Experience-shexperiences.... I'd rather read something - 'cause I'm
> > lazy like that.
>
> cause manhattan drains your zap?
> hey, do de cab drivahs still yell stuff when a chick walks down de
> street? the joiks
No, the "drivahs" do not do that anymore - it's against the law and the
ones that DO do it, have to face public beating, and any woman is entitled
to throw tomatoes at them (or any other object that will splash
deliciously upon them)...
>
> i really preferred peconic bay and hither hills to all that racket
> still, Love the museums (san francisco has 1 modern art museum)
>
Recently I haven't had much time to go to museums - plus, sometimes it's
much nicer to just wander around and look at the streets and stuff
(damn... that sounds stupid). But I like The Cloisters though - sometimes
with my friends we go there, bring a book, and pretend we're monks.
Espeically when it's cold...
Kristina
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>
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu...
> >
> >
> > Wow. That's a lot of not being interested, Dale, for a >person who so
> fiercly responds to my posts. I feel loved.
> >
> It's nice to feel loved, but often it's an illusion...
I have this problem all the time!
One day in, tomorrow not, what can we do about this abstraction...enjoy in
the mystery of it, and when it gets too much, pull out those fine hairy
tendrils through your scalp and tease, lovely sensations. Nothing like a
good tease!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > why an amphibian? are they special in any way, or anything?
> >
> Witches thought so; I suppose they found their dual-nature (land and
water)
> fascinating. And - with the salamander - they take it one step further,
and
> make it able to survive in fire. Personally, my favorite animal is the
> tapir.
The tapir rolls off my tongue into linoleum sleep, dancing a whirlpool of
honey eyed pebbles. I watch and sigh...
Fragrant nettles covered in wax taste good in the middle of the night.
(another tangent whose meaning excapes me as quickly as it enters, sweet).
Kristina.
>
> DMH
>
>
Leo Sgouros
cythera <luk...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, cythera wrote:
> >
> > > In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> > > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > > > Yeah, Cythera, I live in Manhattan.
> > >
> > > > Experience-shexperiences.... I'd rather read something - 'cause
> I'm
> > > > lazy like that.
> > >
> > > cause manhattan drains your zap?
> > > hey, do de cab drivahs still yell stuff when a chick walks down de
> > > street? the joiks
> >
> > No, the "drivahs" do not do that anymore - it's against the law and
> the
> > ones that DO do it, have to face public beating, and any woman is
> entitled
> > to throw tomatoes at them (or any other object that will splash
> > deliciously upon them)...
>
> >
> > >
> > > i really preferred peconic bay and hither hills to all that racket
> > > still, Love the museums (san francisco has 1 modern art museum)
> > >
> >
> > Recently I haven't had much time to go to museums - plus, sometimes
> it's
> > much nicer to just wander around and look at the streets and stuff
> > (damn... that sounds stupid).
>
>
>
> But I like The Cloisters though -
> sometimes
> > with my friends we go there, bring a book, and pretend we're monks.
> > Espeically when it's cold...
> >
> > Mags
> >
> > Elephants are not camels.
>
in one of my saint louis bands we went and took pictures at the giant
catholic cathedral down the street from where i lived in the west end-
long hair and earrings and costume jewelry and stuff but the staff was cool
with it-
Mags
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, cythera wrote:
> >
> > > In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991118...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> > > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > > > Yeah, Cythera, I live in Manhattan.
> > >
> > > > Experience-shexperiences.... I'd rather read something - 'cause
> I'm
> > > > lazy like that.
> > >
> > > cause manhattan drains your zap?
> > > hey, do de cab drivahs still yell stuff when a chick walks down de
> > > street? the joiks
> >
> > No, the "drivahs" do not do that anymore - it's against the law and
> the
> > ones that DO do it, have to face public beating, and any woman is
> entitled
> > to throw tomatoes at them (or any other object that will splash
> > deliciously upon them)...
>
> if i hurl rotten eggs into the '80's will i hit them?
If you aim the right way and wrap yourself in fleece.
> >
> > >
> > > i really preferred peconic bay and hither hills to all that racket
> > > still, Love the museums (san francisco has 1 modern art museum)
> > >
> >
> > Recently I haven't had much time to go to museums - plus, sometimes
> it's
> > much nicer to just wander around and look at the streets and stuff
> > (damn... that sounds stupid).
>
> no, it sounds wonderful. i love ny, it's never boring to me.
>
heh heh, then you're not a new-yorker of course - people here indulge in
constant ennui... not me though, I'm easily amused and hyper all the time
(maybe that's why I like this newsgroup. maybe).
Bill Bohn
visions and then remember them and paint them later........vast visions
without the AID of DRUGS......but oh how they help(pot) :)
(beer):)...........sometimes when you have painters block....you have to
face the canvas the next morning though...and sometimesyou may say
,,,,,,,,,,,,OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
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> Alright, could someone enlighten me about the glorious subject of
> surrealist philosophy?
>
> Thanks,
barrett john erickson
news:oYxZ3.12215$lf7....@news2.atl...
> a true SURREALIST =============(which i am) can close his eyes and see
vast
> visions and then remember them and paint them later........vast visions
> without the AID of DRUGS......but oh how they help(pot) :)
> (beer):)...........sometimes when you have painters block....you have to
> face the canvas the next morning though...and sometimesyou may say
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a "true SURREALIST" does not need to be able to paint anything.
[whether _you_ are or are not a "true SURREALIST" may be revealed by your
response to this point.]
-- barrett
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certain point of the mind at which life and death, the real and
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incommunicable, high and low, cease to be perceived as
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Mags
> "Bill Bohn" <lli...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:oYxZ3.12215$lf7....@news2.atl...
> > a true SURREALIST =============(which i am) can close his eyes and see
> vast
> > visions and then remember them and paint them later........vast visions
> > without the AID of DRUGS......but oh how they help(pot) :)
> > (beer):)...........sometimes when you have painters block....you have to
> > face the canvas the next morning though...and sometimesyou may say
> > ,,,,,,,,,,,,OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> a "true SURREALIST" does not need to be able to paint anything.
>
> [whether _you_ are or are not a "true SURREALIST" may be revealed by your
> response to this point.]
>
>
>
> -- barrett
Does not need to, but can.
If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scorn him, why
not let him? Do not impose upon anyone's expression of themselves,
whatever they call it.
john adams
Mags, he wouldn't be nor intend to be imposing on anyone's expression. He simply stated his own comments will inevitably portay his parallelism to surrealism, which he was so quick to point out.
note file attachment: drawing of elephant camel composed in black crayon
Leo Sgouros
john adams <gala...@aol.com> wrote in message news:383749E...@aol.com...
Mags wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, barrett john erickson wrote:> "Bill Bohn" <lli...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:oYxZ3.12215$lf7....@news2.atl...
> > a true SURREALIST =============(which i am) can close his eyes and see
> vast
> > visions and then remember them and paint them later........vast visions
> > without the AID of DRUGS......but oh how they help(pot) :)
> > (beer):)...........sometimes when you have painters block....you have to
> > face the canvas the next morning though...and sometimesyou may say
> > ,,,,,,,,,,,,OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> a "true SURREALIST" does not need to be able to paint anything.
>
> [whether _you_ are or are not a "true SURREALIST" may be revealed by your
> response to this point.]
>
>
>
> -- barrettDoes not need to, but can.
If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scorn him, why
not let him? Do not impose upon anyone's expression of themselves,
whatever they call it.Mags
Elephants are not camels.
Mags, he
hiwhich he are you speaking about?
wouldn't be nor intend to be imposing on anyone's expression. He simply stated his own comments will inevitably portay his parallelism to surrealism, which he was so quick to point out.
did I miss something?
Mags
>
>
> Mags wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, barrett john erickson wrote:
> >
> > > "Bill Bohn" <lli...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:oYxZ3.12215$lf7....@news2.atl...
> > > > a true SURREALIST =============(which i am) can close his eyes and see
> > > vast
> > > > visions and then remember them and paint them later........vast visions
> > > > without the AID of DRUGS......but oh how they help(pot) :)
> > > > (beer):)...........sometimes when you have painters block....you have to
> > > > face the canvas the next morning though...and sometimesyou may say
> > > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > a "true SURREALIST" does not need to be able to paint anything.
> > >
> > > [whether _you_ are or are not a "true SURREALIST" may be revealed by your
> > > response to this point.]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- barrett
> >
> > Does not need to, but can.
> > If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scorn him, why
> > not let him? Do not impose upon anyone's expression of themselves,
> > whatever they call it.
> >
> > Mags
> >
> > Elephants are not camels.
>
> Mags, he wouldn't be nor intend to be imposing on anyone's expression. He simply
> stated his own comments will inevitably portay his parallelism to surrealism,
> which he was so quick to point out.
Fair enough. :)
Thanks for the picture. I'll look at it tomorrow.
Wanna see an elephant that's NOT a camel: go to
pages.nyu.edu/~mk508/art.html
dale houstman
> On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, barrett john erickson wrote:
>
> > "Bill Bohn" <lli...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:oYxZ3.12215$lf7....@news2.atl...
> If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why >scorn him, why
not let him? Do not impose upon >anyone's expression of themselves,
> whatever they call it.
>
"democratic involvement."
If a person came to your house and insisted (in a loud and stupid tone
nonetheless) that he was your lover, and was going to move in, would you
feel equally compelled to say : if he wants to feel this way let him?" The
truth is distinctions can and must be made at all levels of living. Just
because you appear to be one of those who experience surrealism as a vague
cloud of oddity and "squirmy fun" it does not follow that others shall.
And -again - this type of response is self-negating: why are you asking
Barrett not to express his opinion of another; if he feels so strongly that
this other is not a surrealist,? Why "impose upon anyone's expression of
themselves,
whatever they call it."
The next time your house is on fire and someone tells you not to worry
because they are the fire department, please be so "good" as to take him at
his word (despite the fact that he is naked and carrying a broken Barbie
Doll as a firehose), and let us know the results of this generous attitude
of full involvement in spite of knowledge or inclination.
It is a surrealist ng, as lame as it is, and can't we thus reserve some
slight right to distinction between it and the ng dedicated to frat parties
and yahooisms?
DMH
Kristina
news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991120...@is9.nyu.edu...
> On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, barrett john erickson wrote:
>
> > "Bill Bohn" <lli...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:oYxZ3.12215$lf7....@news2.atl...
see
> > vast
> > > visions and then remember them and paint them later........vast
visions
> > > without the AID of DRUGS......but oh how they help(pot) :)
> > > (beer):)...........sometimes when you have painters block....you have
to
> > > face the canvas the next morning though...and sometimesyou may say
> > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I doubt very much whether a 'true surrealist" (as you say) would even post
something like this. (as Barrett already responded).
> >
> >
> > a "true SURREALIST" does not need to be able to paint anything.
> >
> > [whether _you_ are or are not a "true SURREALIST" may be revealed by
your
> > response to this point.]
> >
> >
> >
> > -- barrett
>
> Does not need to, but can.
> If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scorn him, why
> not let him? Do not impose upon anyone's expression of themselves,
> whatever they call it.
Mags, you seem to take a rather personal approach to this. I do not see
Barrett's comment as "scron" rather as an insightful truth in regard to this
matter at hand. A surrealist does not need to paint, that is true.
Surrealism is not "essentially" about painting. Furthermore, one could even
go so far as to say that perhaps Bill is not even a surealist....ie: if you
imagine a scene in your mind, or image and then go about re-creating that
"exact" piece in a living breathing form, (such as a painting for sake of
argument)...where is the surreal experience there? (I am speaking here form
personal experience).
There is no such thing as a surreal experience for me in reproducing
something "completely as was in my mind" without deviating from that. There
is no journey in that experience. The purpose is not to reach a
"pre-determined" outcome. Oh, I think I'll stop here...there is alot more I
haven't adressed, but hey, one only has so much energy some days.
Kristina.
john adams
hiwhich he are you speaking about? wouldn't be nor intend to be imposing on anyone's expression. He simply stated his own comments will inevitably portay his parallelism to surrealism, which he was so quick to point out. did I miss something? note file attachment: drawing of elephant camel composed in black crayon
I meant Barrett. He wasn't imposing on the individual's right to
express himself, and certainly may refute what gentleman #2 claims to be
a "true surrealist".
note file attachment: the breasts of Jack Lalane cast in pewter
Nikolaus Maack
Mags (mk...@is9.nyu.edu) writes:
> If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scorn him, why
> not let him? Do not impose upon anyone's expression of themselves,
> whatever they call it.
Some people become very possessive of words. The word "surrealism" is
often fought over in this newsgroup like archeologists fighting over
broken shards of pottery from some long forgotten civilization.
The word surrealism belongs to me. I define it as a man with a gun who
stabs you with it as though it were a knife. You walk away uninjured,
shaking your head.
Nik
--
Twelve contorted faces. No lines, no waiting.
Visit The Nik Maack Art Gallery
http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~mrtribe
Mags
>
> Mags (mk...@is9.nyu.edu) writes:
> > If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scorn him, why
> > not let him? Do not impose upon anyone's expression of themselves,
> > whatever they call it.
>
> Some people become very possessive of words. The word "surrealism" is
> often fought over in this newsgroup like archeologists fighting over
> broken shards of pottery from some long forgotten civilization.
>
> The word surrealism belongs to me. I define it as a man with a gun who
> stabs you with it as though it were a knife. You walk away uninjured,
> shaking your head.
>
> Nik
Hey Nik,
Do you care to share?
Mags
ps. have you read _Cronopios and Famas_ by Cortazar? if not, you should.
I have a feeling you'd appreciate it...
Elephants are not camels.
Mags
> In article <817qj8$b...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Nikolaus Maack) wrote:
> >
> > Mags (mk...@is9.nyu.edu) writes:
> > > If he feels strongly enough about being a surrealist, why scron him,
> > why not let him
>
> Nik:
> > The word surrealism belongs to me. I define it as a man with a gun
> > who stabs you with it as though it were a knife. You walk away
> > uninjured, shaking your head.
>
> well, i'm not 'like' or 'as' an arrow, i am one, so Watch your ass,
> your melting watch ass, or whatever.
>
> mags, i am your parents' lover. what's their address?
>
which set of parents?
Mags
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991121...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> > Elephants are not camel-jockeys.
> >
> all. i need at least one vacation.
>
> --
> cythera
If you bet on all horses, yeah, you'll win, but not by much...
Mags
ps. see what you've done? now I get to personally blame you for making me
speak cliche metaphors or whatnots...
Elephants are not camels.
dale houstman
> On 21 Nov 1999, Nikolaus Maack wrote:
>
>
> ps. have you read _Cronopios and Famas_ by >Cortazar? if not, you should.
I have a feeling you'd >appreciate it...
>
to everyone (by Mags and myself!). I read some of the ones you mentioned in
a collection of prose poems. Quite intriguing...
DMH
Mags
And if you ever get confused about how to climb a staircase, the answer's
right there...
dale houstman
Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991121...@is9.nyu.edu...
> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
>
> And if you ever get confused about how to climb a >staircase, the answer's
right there...
I don't experience problems with stairclimbing so much, but I do often
forget how to sew the giraffe's eyes shut.
(You gotta do this before you ship them to Four Seasons and Planet
Hollywood)
DMH
Mags
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.99112...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> did speaking whatnots etc. make you think of gary larson. it sounds
> more like a tv commercial for disney's 'beauty and the beast' i saw
> once. god did that look wretched.
> i know almost nil about erasmus except he tutored hank numero 8, who
> i'm kinda interested in.
> i'm sort of an anne bullen--small neck, i like dogs, and none of you
> gets to see my hands
> anyway, what did you say those addresses are?
> >
>
> --
> cythera
Beauty and Beast made me cry when I was little. Then it made me take an
animation class.
You lost the addresses? You shall have to be more careful then from now
on.
Mags
Do you sew the giraffe's eyes shut often?
dale houstman
entertainment, but part of my job at the Giraffes with Eyes Sown Shut
Company. People want them, and we are there to provide a service. Some may
call it cruel, but is it any more cruel than tapir-slashing or vole-punching
(both Christmas activities in Belize)? Some may call it pandering, but I saw
one man's pander is another man's metier. I get up each morning, put on my
protective head-diaper and go out into the acid snow to work. When each day
ends, I sleep secure in the knowledge that one more restaurant will not be
without it Giraffe with Eyes Sewn Shut tomorrow. I dream of little hands
made of lettuce prying open the sides of a giant iron chicken. Inside are
the Boston Celtics and Norm Chomsky discussing the new fall season. When I
awake I am dressed in a radioactive camisole.
Life doesn't get much better...
DMH
Mags
How old are you, Dale?
dale houstman
Mags
42 and three quarters
dale houstman
win a lysergic wet nap and a full-body ant-woman costume. Come and get it...
DMH
john adams
dale houstman wrote:
sounds like one kinky time. what will you be wearing, or not wearing?
dale houstman
>
>
> > I haven't got three quarters to rub together, but you're close enough
to
> > win a lysergic wet nap and a full-body ant-woman costume. Come and get
it...
> >
> > DMH
>
> sounds like one kinky time. what will you be wearing, or not wearing?
I'm coming as we speak. Meet me behind the hamper...
DMH
>
Mags
> I haven't got three quarters to rub together, but you're close enough to
> win a lysergic wet nap and a full-body ant-woman costume. Come and get it...
>
> DMH
>
I'm taking over the world this weekend. You have to wait for your turn.
Brandon J. Freels
> I prefer the one by Cocteau.
You're obsessed with blue, feathery birds.
Mags
Blue is the most beautiful color there is. Many things, objects, and even
persons should be blue. What would be more beautiful than a blue elephant
or a blue arm or even a blue electron? But it is not to say that ALL
things should be blue. Blue can appear to be beautiful only in the
presence of other colors. It is only possible to decide that blue is
best, when there are others that are not so good.
I had a blue fish once in a tank made out of an old hat. It followed the
blue dog on a blue leash to a blue forest full of blue monsters that
carried upside down umbrellas with a pipe to process the blue rain into
little blue monkeys that hide under blue grass. Then I lost it. I found
it in my covered-in-blue-tears blue wallet.
One good thing about the color/concept/idea/characteristic/predicate blue.
When in doubt, blue is the answer. What's the meaning of life? 42 blue
squirrels sitting on a box full of fents fishing for hooks. Where is odd?
Having a blue bath covered in blue feathery fuzz.
Plus, when you say blue, it looks funny. Try it - in front of a mirror.
I say blue. What do you say?
dale houstman
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
>
> >
>
> I'm taking over the world this weekend. You have to wait for your turn.
>
DMH
Mags
Damn, me and my no-sharing rule. We're going to face a conflict here,
Dale.
Mags
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.991123...@is9.nyu.edu>,
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Brandon J. Freels wrote:
> >
> > > cythera wrote
> > > > I prefer the one by Cocteau.
> > >
> > > You're obsessed with blue, feathery birds.
> > >
> >
> > Blue is the most beautiful color there is. Many things, objects, and
> even
> > persons should be blue. What would be more beautiful than a blue
> elephant
> > or a blue arm or even a blue electron? But it is not to say that ALL
> > things should be blue. Blue can appear to be beautiful only in the
> > presence of other colors. It is only possible to decide that blue is
> > best, when there are others that are not so good.
> > I had a blue fish once in a tank made out of an old hat. It followed
> the
> > blue dog on a blue leash to a blue forest full of blue monsters that
> > carried upside down umbrellas with a pipe to process the blue rain
> into
> > little blue monkeys that hide under blue grass. Then I lost it. I
> found
> > it in my covered-in-blue-tears blue wallet.
>
> Oh Mags, That's where I put the addresses! :) Send em here, ok?
>
> > One good thing about the color/concept/idea/characteristic/predicate
> blue.
> > When in doubt, blue is the answer. What's the meaning of life? 42
> blue
> > squirrels sitting on a box full of fents fishing for hooks. Where is
> odd?
> > Having a blue bath covered in blue feathery fuzz.
> > Plus, when you say blue, it looks funny. Try it - in front of a
> mirror.
> > I say blue. What do you say?
>
> That Mags is wonderfully normal! Mags for President!
> >
> > Mags
> >
> > Elephants are not camels.
> >
> >
>
> --
> cythera
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
>
Yay, Mags and the platypus for president!
Mags
ps. is it me or has the platypus become the new favorite of the
contemporary literature? I mean, Eco with his "Kand and Platypus" and the
opening of "Dogma"....
Elephants are not camels.
john adams
dale houstman wrote:
> john adams <gala...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:383A307F...@aol.com...
> >
> >
> > > I haven't got three quarters to rub together, but you're close enough
> to
> > > win a lysergic wet nap and a full-body ant-woman costume. Come and get
> it...
> > >
> > > DMH
> >
> > sounds like one kinky time. what will you be wearing, or not wearing?
>
> I'm coming as we speak. Meet me behind the hamper...
>
> DMH
> >
See you soon little camper.
Elephant-sized camel kisses on your ringworm.
john
Kristina
news:81f5hn$pj0$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991123...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > I'm taking over the world this weekend. You have to wait for your turn.
> >
> What a coincidence! I'm taking over the couch...
is it red and delicious, in a huge room with concrete walls? and what will
you be wearing? Ha!
Kristina.
>
> DMH
>
>
dale houstman
ultra-violet treatments, shaved your head and painted your noggin purple! I
invented glam rock...
DMH
dale houstman
>
> >
> > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991123...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm taking over the world this weekend. You have to wait for your
turn.
> > >
> > What a coincidence! I'm taking over the couch...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Damn, me and my no-sharing rule. We're going to face a conflict here,
> Dale.
>
Jars. You've got your work cut out for you, and I'd like to cut something
out of you too. Filet de Mags, at my house, right after the war!
DMH
dale houstman
Kristina <bu...@start.com.au> wrote in message
news:81flep$9vf$1...@the-fly.zip.com.au...
> dale houstman <dm...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:81f5hn$pj0$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> >
> > news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991123...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm taking over the world this weekend. You have to wait for your
turn.
> > >
> > What a coincidence! I'm taking over the couch...
>
will you be wearing? Ha!
It's wet and deciduous, with little sofa-cones and bluebirds caught in its
one-way thigh duct. At night you can hear them asking to be let out. This is
how I sleep. As for formal wear, a simple gingham tutu with blood-splattered
muck boots is usually "de rigeur" although I often (in these cold and monied
times) opt for a tapir snout pantaloon and Saran Wrap headtrap or a
cheese-flavored bias-cut surgeon's frock decorated with yogurt statues of
Mussolini.
Fashion is so exciting...
DMH
Kristina
> It's wet and deciduous, with little sofa-cones and bluebirds caught in its
> one-way thigh duct. At night you can hear them asking to be let out. This
is
> how I sleep. As for formal wear, a simple gingham tutu with
blood-splattered
> muck boots is usually "de rigeur" although I often (in these cold and
monied
> times) opt for a tapir snout pantaloon and Saran Wrap headtrap or a
> cheese-flavored bias-cut surgeon's frock decorated with yogurt statues of
> Mussolini.
>
> Fashion is so exciting...
Yes, it is excruciating trying to know what to put on...I go naked myself,
but have been known to wear garments. Here is my last recorded memory of my
sleeping attire!
4/8/94 -Diary entry:
--------------------------
Tonight my bed is a green murmur of salt lakes, and the raining dulls
loneliness as I squeeze myself into the buttered cocoon of Kahlo's wing. I
feel sated in her presence, and she dresses me with oily basil...the rubbed
bleeding juice runs down my body. Each eyelash records our breathing, into a
little book sewn into my naval.
We are one in this mess of paint powdered wings...Outside the window in the
rain we see nine mud soaked dalmations singing "The Indian Love Call". I
am dressed in warm gauze, stitched with each syllable of song and rain by
her toes.
I told her I loved her eyebrows, and licked them into shape...and in the
morning she left taking the rain with her...
Kristina.
> DMH
>
>
Mags
>
> Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991123...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Mags <mk...@is9.nyu.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991123...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > > > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, dale houstman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm taking over the world this weekend. You have to wait for your
> turn.
> > > >
> > > What a coincidence! I'm taking over the couch...
> > >
> > > DMH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Damn, me and my no-sharing rule. We're going to face a conflict here,
> > Dale.
> >
> But - you see - my couch is a strategic position: it overlooks the Plain of
> Jars. You've got your work cut out for you, and I'd like to cut something
> out of you too. Filet de Mags, at my house, right after the war!
>
> DMH
>
>
What about other strategic positions, like the ones overlooking New
Jersey? As for the cuts, my hands are bleeding of paper and yo-yos.
War? nah....
Brandon J. Freels
> I invented glam rock...
So now we know who to blame...
dale houstman
> >
>
> Glam Rock re-invented World Wrestling. However, modern World Wrestling
suffered
> a setback within the ring in 1997 due to a spread of demobilizing
> micro-perforate worms dissiminated during fierce clashes of skin and sweat
> beneath the big lights. MTV stepped in to the light to save our modern day
> inheritors of glam-slop, unifying both music and wrestling, and securing
the
> manifest degeneracy of America through expanded exposure and force-fed pig
> slop. God save us from evil psoriasis.
I think I read all this in Better Homes & Gardens...
DMH
>
john adams
> > > > > I haven't got three quarters to rub together, but you're close
> enough
> > > to
> > > > > win a lysergic wet nap and a full-body ant-woman costume. Come and
> get
> > > it...
> > > > >
> > > > > DMH
> > > >
> > > > sounds like one kinky time. what will you be wearing, or not wearing?
> > >
> > > I'm coming as we speak. Meet me behind the hamper...
> > >
> > > DMH
> > > >
> >
> > See you soon little camper.
> >
> > Elephant-sized camel kisses on your ringworm.
> >
> I had ringworm when I was a small child in England: they gave you
> ultra-violet treatments, shaved your head and painted your noggin purple! I
> invented glam rock...
>
> DMH
Glam Rock re-invented World Wrestling. However, modern World Wrestling suffered
john adams
dale houstman wrote:
> john adams <gala...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:383CA03F...@aol.com...
> > >
> >
> > Glam Rock re-invented World Wrestling. However, modern World Wrestling
> suffered
> > a setback within the ring in 1997 due to a spread of demobilizing
> > micro-perforate worms dissiminated during fierce clashes of skin and sweat
> > beneath the big lights. MTV stepped in to the light to save our modern day
> > inheritors of glam-slop, unifying both music and wrestling, and securing
> the
> > manifest degeneracy of America through expanded exposure and force-fed pig
> > slop. God save us from evil psoriasis.
>
> I think I read all this in Better Homes & Gardens...
>
> DMH
> >
For more related garden ideas see: The Karate Kid.
Miyagi's landscaping techniques are simple yet wonderfully helpful throughout
the video.
john
dale houstman
the dog-like ear of one Mrs. Eve Hulkingbore. "Piss off" said Mrs.
Hulkingbore and did eat anyway from the Tree of International Hotels and
Resorts. She fell into a deep sleep and was put in a glass box. All the
little woodland creatures ate her clothes while she was in a coma (which
looked like a whale made of blue gardenias), and the vicious little bastards
that were her children ran off with her Vespa. Years later a very handsome
Pope kicked her in the stomach and she awoke to a fresh new world ful of
dishes to be washed.
Amen...
DMH
elag
Mags wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Brandon J. Freels wrote:
>
> > cythera wrote
> > > I prefer the one by Cocteau.
> >
> > You're obsessed with blue, feathery birds.
> >
>
> Blue is the most beautiful color there is. Many things, objects, and even
> persons should be blue. What would be more beautiful than a blue elephant
> or a blue arm or even a blue electron? But it is not to say that ALL
> things should be blue. Blue can appear to be beautiful only in the
> presence of other colors. It is only possible to decide that blue is
> best, when there are others that are not so good.
> I had a blue fish once in a tank made out of an old hat. It followed the
> blue dog on a blue leash to a blue forest full of blue monsters that
> carried upside down umbrellas with a pipe to process the blue rain into
> little blue monkeys that hide under blue grass. Then I lost it. I found
> it in my covered-in-blue-tears blue wallet.
> One good thing about the color/concept/idea/characteristic/predicate blue.
> When in doubt, blue is the answer. What's the meaning of life? 42 blue
> squirrels sitting on a box full of fents fishing for hooks. Where is odd?
> Having a blue bath covered in blue feathery fuzz.
> Plus, when you say blue, it looks funny. Try it - in front of a mirror.
> I say blue. What do you say?
>
Mags
And the silver spoon.
Mags
Elephants are not camels.
john adams
I think i read this in 'Fear and Loathing in Muppetland'. The pope became a tax
auditor and gave birth to seven children with various animal-like qualities.
Little Jessup, in the end, was stung to death by a giant bee named Sparky.
guil...@my-deja.com
$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>,> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.991121120428.10383A-
100...@is9.nyu.edu...
> > On 21 Nov 1999, Nikolaus Maack wrote:
> >
> >
> > ps. have you read _Cronopios and Famas_ by
>Cortazar? if not, you should.
> I have a feeling you'd >appreciate it...
> >
> Cortazar is one of the modern masters of the
short story, and is recommended
> to everyone (by Mags and myself!). I read some
of the ones you mentioned in
> a collection of prose poems. Quite intriguing...
>
> DMH
>
>
Have you tried "Hopscotch"? It's like the
masterpiece by Cortazar. Then there's another one
that in Spanish is called "Los Premios," (I'm
afraid I don't know about the translation). It's
one of his first novels. Just amazing.
Enjoy