The Flower Shop by Jacques Prevert
elag
A man enters a flower shop
and decides on some flowers
the florist wraps them up
as the man puts his hand into his pocket
to find the money,
the money to pay for the flowers
but at the same time
suddenly
he places a hand over his heart
and falls
As he falls
the money rolls around on the floor
and the flowers fall
with the man
with the money
and the florist stands there
as the money rolls
as the flowers ruin
as the man dies
it's obviously all very sad
and she really should do something
this florist
but she doesn't know how to go about it
she doesn't know
where to start
There are so many things to do
for this dying man
these ruining flowers
and this money
this rolling money
that won't stop.
UBUjean-jacques.viala
>The Flower Shop by Jacques Prevert
>
sure?
anyway, prevert, a proud satrape of college de 'pataphysic, never
applied or was coopted to surrealist gang.
UBU
La chose la plus incomprehensible du monde est que le
monde lui-même est comprehensible.
A.Einstein.
Kwigd144
elag
>
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:33:36 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> >The Flower Shop by Jacques Prevert
> >
>
> sure?
Yes, I'm sure. I think it's in "Paroles". I don't have the Original
French version though.
> anyway, prevert, a proud satrape of college de 'pataphysic, never
> applied or was coopted to surrealist gang.
He was a member of the Surrealist group for a time... I believe at least
from 1925 - 29 but don't quote me on that.
Mangez sur l'herbe
Dépęchez-vous
Un jour ou l'autre
L'herbe mangera sur vous
---Prevert
UBUjean-jacques.viala
>"UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:33:36 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>>
>> >The Flower Shop by Jacques Prevert
>> >
>>
>> sure?
>
>
>Yes, I'm sure. I think it's in "Paroles". I don't have the Original
>French version though.
>
>
>> anyway, prevert, a proud satrape of college de 'pataphysic, never
>> applied or was coopted to surrealist gang.
>
>
>
>He was a member of the Surrealist group for a time... I believe at least
>from 1925 - 29 but don't quote me on that.
>
>
>
You are confusing, I think, with the group "Octobre" very different
from surrealist (more political).
elag
>
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:21:35 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> >"UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:33:36 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Flower Shop by Jacques Prevert
> >> >
> >>
> >> sure?
> >
> >
> >Yes, I'm sure. I think it's in "Paroles". I don't have the Original
> >French version though.
> >
> >
> >> anyway, prevert, a proud satrape of college de 'pataphysic, never
> >> applied or was coopted to surrealist gang.
> >
> >
> >
> >He was a member of the Surrealist group for a time... I believe at least
> >from 1925 - 29 but don't quote me on that.
> >
> >
> >
> You are confusing, I think, with the group "Octobre" very different
> from surrealist (more political).
I don't think so, though I don't have many sources handy. This is what
I can turn up:
A. http://www.twokmi-kimali.de/surr/chronologie.htm
1925: Bei dem Bankett zu Ehren des von ihnen hochgeschätzten Dichters
Saint-Pol-Roux lösen die Surrealisten einen neuen Skandal aus, als sie
lautstark ihre antipatriotische Einstellung bekunden. Das Flugblatt La
revolution d'abord et toujours! (Zuerst und immer die Revolution)
unterstreicht die Bedeutung, die fortan in ihren Augen der
gesellschaftlichen Revolution zukommt. Artaud übernimmt die Leitung der
surrealistischen Zentrale. Unter den neuen Mitgliedern befinden sich P.
Brasseur, Duhamel, Leiris, Prevert, &Tanguy. - Die erste surrealistische
Ausstellung "Exposition, La peinture Surrealist "(Gallerte Pierre)
vereint Arp, de Chirico, Max Ernst, Klee, Masson, Miro, Picasso, Man
Ray, P. Roy. - Max Ernst entdeckt das Verfahren der Frottage. - Der
Cadavre exquis ist das erste surrealistische Spiel.
Babble Fish trans...
With the flank in honours of the poet Saint pole Roux high-estimated of
them the Surrealisten releases a new scandal, when they state loudly
their anti-patriotic attitude. The handbill La revolution d'abord et
toujours! (first and always the revolution) underlines the meaning,
which comes to the social revolution from now on in its eyes. Artaud
takes over the line of the surrealistischen center. Among the new
members are P. Brasseur, Duhamel, Leiris, Prevert, & Tanguy. - the first
surrealist exhibition "exposition, La peinture Surrealist" (gelatin
Pierre) unites Arp, de Chirico, Max Ernst, Klee, Masson, Miro, Picasso,
Man Ray, P. Roy. - max Ernst discovers the procedure of the Frottage. -
the Cadavre exquis is the first surrealistic game.
B. http://www.hausarbeiten.de/rd/faecher/hausarbeit/kun/13773.html
Dada war ein seelischer Zustand gewesen. Der Surrealismus bot mehr: Die
Erschaffung einer freien, revolutionären, unabhängigen Kunst. Breton
und die Surrealisten - viele von ihnen waren Dadaisten- waren sich einig
in der Verachtung Dadas für das Hergebrachte und in der Überzeugung,
dass die Welt verrückt sei. Im Gegensatz zu den Dadaisten hatten sie
jedoch eine Lösung vor Augen: Eine neue Wirklichkeit durch bewußte
Rückkehr der Kindheitsphantasien und zur Allmacht der Träume. Unter dem
Banner Bretons sammelte sich eine beachtliche Schar internationaler
Künstler unter ihnen die Maler Max Ernst, Rene Magritte, Joan Miro, Hans
Arp, Andre Masson Yves Tanguy, Salvador Dali und die Dichter Luis Aragan
Philippe Soupault, Jacques
Prevert und Paul Eluard.
Babble Fish trans...
Dada had been a mental condition. Surrealism offered more: The
erschaffung of a free, revolutionary, independent art. Breton and the
Surrealists - many of them were Dada, were itself united in the
verachtung Dadas for the bringing and in the conviction that the world
was moved. Contrary to the Dadas they had however a solution before
their eyes: New reality by conscious return of the childhood fantasies
and for the omnipotence of dreams. Under Breton's banner Surrealism
collected itself a considerable crowd of international artists among
them the painters Max Ernst, Rene (liking rides) Magritte, Joan Miro,
Hans Arp, Andre Masson, Yves Tanguy, Salvador Dali and the poets Luis
Aragan Philippe Soupault, Jacques Prevert and Paul Eluard
Kwigd144
UBUjean-jacques.viala
>"UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
>> >
>> You are confusing, I think, with the group "Octobre" very different
>> from surrealist (more political).
>
>
>I don't think so, though I don't have many sources handy. This is what
>I can turn up:
>
>A. http://www.twokmi-kimali.de/surr/chronologie.htm
>
>1925: Bei dem Bankett zu Ehren des von ihnen hochgeschätzten Dichters
>Saint-Pol-Roux lösen die Surrealisten einen neuen Skandal aus, als sie
>lautstark ihre antipatriotische Einstellung bekunden. Das Flugblatt La
>revolution d'abord et toujours! (Zuerst und immer die Revolution)
>unterstreicht die Bedeutung, die fortan in ihren Augen der
>gesellschaftlichen Revolution zukommt. Artaud übernimmt die Leitung der
>surrealistischen Zentrale. Unter den neuen Mitgliedern befinden sich P.
>Brasseur, Duhamel, Leiris, Prevert, &Tanguy. -
these are members of group octobre.
Duhamel is a librarian, he imported in france the thrillers and call
it "série noire".
brasseur I don't think he had connections with surrealist.
Leiris (another proud satrape of college de 'pataphysique) tried
surrealism, then quikly was fired, only tanguy can be considered as a
surrealist.
I donnot read dutsch, so I cannot understand why they are mixing the
group octobre with surrealist, it seems they are in the actual plain
line of Breton, call surrealist who has some talent.
>Babble Fish trans...
thanks I answered before reading all.
>
>With the flank in honours of the poet Saint pole Roux high-estimated of
>them the Surrealisten releases a new scandal, when they state loudly
>their anti-patriotic attitude. The handbill La revolution d'abord et
>toujours! (first and always the revolution) underlines the meaning,
>which comes to the social revolution from now on in its eyes. Artaud
>takes over the line of the surrealistischen center. Among the new
>members are P. Brasseur, Duhamel, Leiris, Prevert, & Tanguy. - the first
>surrealist exhibition "exposition, La peinture Surrealist" (gelatin
>Pierre) unites Arp, de Chirico, Max Ernst, Klee, Masson, Miro, Picasso,
>Man Ray, P. Roy. - max Ernst discovers the procedure of the Frottage. -
>the Cadavre exquis is the first surrealistic game.
you can see that prevert, who made very good collage, is not a part of
this exhibition.
(...)
>Babble Fish trans...
>
>Dada had been a mental condition. Surrealism offered more: The
>erschaffung of a free, revolutionary, independent art. Breton and the
>Surrealists - many of them were Dada, were itself united in the
>verachtung Dadas for the bringing and in the conviction that the world
>was moved. Contrary to the Dadas they had however a solution before
>their eyes: New reality by conscious return of the childhood fantasies
>and for the omnipotence of dreams. Under Breton's banner Surrealism
>collected itself a considerable crowd of international artists among
>them the painters Max Ernst, Rene (liking rides) Magritte, Joan Miro,
>Hans Arp, Andre Masson, Yves Tanguy, Salvador Dali and the poets Louis
>Aragon Philippe Soupault, Jacques Prevert and Paul Eluard
hé hé.
elag
>
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:43:29 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> >"UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> You are confusing, I think, with the group "Octobre" very different
> >> from surrealist (more political).
> >
> >
> >I don't think so, though I don't have many sources handy. This is what
> >I can turn up:
> >
> >A. http://www.twokmi-kimali.de/surr/chronologie.htm
> >
> >1925: Bei dem Bankett zu Ehren des von ihnen hochgeschätzten Dichters
> >Saint-Pol-Roux lösen die Surrealisten einen neuen Skandal aus, als sie
> >lautstark ihre antipatriotische Einstellung bekunden. Das Flugblatt La
> >revolution d'abord et toujours! (Zuerst und immer die Revolution)
> >unterstreicht die Bedeutung, die fortan in ihren Augen der
> >gesellschaftlichen Revolution zukommt. Artaud übernimmt die Leitung der
> >surrealistischen Zentrale. Unter den neuen Mitgliedern befinden sich P.
> >Brasseur, Duhamel, Leiris, Prevert, &Tanguy. -
>
> these are members of group octobre.
Fine, but you haven't shown that Prevert was not a Surrealist.
> Duhamel is a librarian, he imported in france the thrillers and call
> it "série noire".
> brasseur I don't think he had connections with surrealist.
> Leiris (another proud satrape of college de 'pataphysique) tried
> surrealism, then quikly was fired, only tanguy can be considered as a
> surrealist.
> I donnot read dutsch, so I cannot understand why they are mixing the
> group octobre with surrealist, it seems they are in the actual plain
> line of Breton, call surrealist who has some talent.
>
> >Babble Fish trans...
>
> thanks I answered before reading all.
> >
> >With the flank in honours of the poet Saint pole Roux high-estimated of
> >them the Surrealisten releases a new scandal, when they state loudly
> >their anti-patriotic attitude. The handbill La revolution d'abord et
> >toujours! (first and always the revolution) underlines the meaning,
> >which comes to the social revolution from now on in its eyes. Artaud
> >takes over the line of the surrealistischen center. Among the new
> >members are P. Brasseur, Duhamel, Leiris, Prevert, & Tanguy. - the first
> >surrealist exhibition "exposition, La peinture Surrealist" (gelatin
> >Pierre) unites Arp, de Chirico, Max Ernst, Klee, Masson, Miro, Picasso,
> >Man Ray, P. Roy. - max Ernst discovers the procedure of the Frottage. -
> >the Cadavre exquis is the first surrealistic game.
>
> you can see that prevert, who made very good collage, is not a part of
> this exhibition.
Maybe... but it clearly states that Prevert is one of the new members of
the Surrealists.
More proof, from The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali* by Ian Gibson:
"Bunuel had now met 'all' the Surrealists, who had expressed their
admiration for the film (Un Chien Andalou), especially Queneau, Prevert,
Morise and Naville."
I'm sorry that I don't have time to pop over to the Library to pick up a
Prevert biography or I could settle this easily... maybe later.
* I found this book in the recycling pile in the stairwell of my
building. For the past few years my reading habits have been partly
determined by what others choose to throw away. Some of my excellent
finds include: "Kitchen" by Banana Yoshimoto, "Crome Yellow" by Aldous
Huxley, and "Nine Stories" by J.D. Salinger. I'm thankful to have such
literate and wasteful neighbors.
Parry
> "UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:21:35 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> >
> > >"UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:33:36 -0500, elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >The Flower Shop by Jacques Prevert
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> sure?
> > >
> > >
> > >Yes, I'm sure. I think it's in "Paroles". I don't have the Original
> > >French version though.
> > >
> > >
> > >> anyway, prevert, a proud satrape of college de 'pataphysic, never
> > >> applied or was coopted to surrealist gang.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >He was a member of the Surrealist group for a time... I believe at least
> > >from 1925 - 29 but don't quote me on that.
I pulled some reference books off the shelf. Most give Prévert a
cursory mention and say pretty much the same thing.
"He was associated with the Rue du Château group and took part in the
activities of the Surrealists between 1925 and 1929, the date of the
*Second Manifesto*." (René Passeron, The Concise Encyclopedia of
Surrealism) Notes that he was in the army with Tanguy and they later
discovered "Maldoror" together.
"Il participe aux activités surréalistes entre 1925 et 1929. Prévert,
étroitement lié à Marcel Duhamel et à Tanguy, appartient au fameux
groupe de la rue du Château. Il est l'auteur de <<collages>> d'esprir
surréaliste." (José Pierre, Le Surréalisme)
Prévert joined the surrealists in 1925, left in 1929 (Uwe M. Schneede,
Surrealism). Repeats the Tanguy story.
There were "certain younger men [who] embraced surrealism during the
years immediately following the appearance of Breton's 1924 manifesto.
They included the Prévert brothers..." (J.H. Matthews, Surrealism and
Film)
Robert Short's "Dada & Surrealism" doesn't mention Prévert in its text
but includes a collage from 1951 in the section on surrealism's
imagery.
-- Parry
Kwigd144
UBUjean-jacques.viala
>elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:<3DC0A6DF...@cloud9.net>...
>> "UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
>> >
(...)
>"He was associated with the Rue du Château group
October group, yes.
> and took part in the
>activities of the Surrealists between 1925 and 1929, the date of the
>*Second Manifesto*." (René Passeron, The Concise Encyclopedia of
>Surrealism) Notes that he was in the army with Tanguy and they later
>discovered "Maldoror" together.
maybe he was a friend or a part-time member, but in my opinion this is
not suffisant to put on him this infamous label.
>"Il participe aux activités surréalistes entre 1925 et 1929. Prévert,
>étroitement lié à Marcel Duhamel et à Tanguy, appartient au fameux
>groupe de la rue du Château. Il est l'auteur de <<collages>> d'esprir
>surréaliste." (José Pierre, Le Surréalisme)
>
>Prévert joined the surrealists in 1925, left in 1929 (Uwe M. Schneede,
>Surrealism). Repeats the Tanguy story.
>
>There were "certain younger men [who] embraced surrealism during the
>years immediately following the appearance of Breton's 1924 manifesto.
>They included the Prévert brothers..." (J.H. Matthews, Surrealism and
>Film)
>
>Robert Short's "Dada & Surrealism" doesn't mention Prévert in its text
>but includes a collage from 1951 in the section on surrealism's
>imagery.
>
>-- Parry
elag
"UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
>
> On 1 Nov 2002 00:10:46 -0800, pa...@perfectmail.com (Parry) wrote:
>
> >elag <el...@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:<3DC0A6DF...@cloud9.net>...
> >> "UBUjean-jacques.viala" wrote:
> >> >
> (...)
> >"He was associated with the Rue du Château group
> October group, yes.
> > and took part in the
> >activities of the Surrealists between 1925 and 1929, the date of the
> >*Second Manifesto*." (René Passeron, The Concise Encyclopedia of
> >Surrealism) Notes that he was in the army with Tanguy and they later
> >discovered "Maldoror" together.
>
> maybe he was a friend or a part-time member, but in my opinion this is
> not suffisant to put on him this infamous label.
The preponderance of evidence shows that he's widely considered to be an
"official" Surrealist. It seems useless to qualify it. Many
Surrealists, Like Bunuel who was hardly ever in Paris, could be
considered part time, but they were Surrealists none the less because of
their involvement with the Surrealists.
Later most of them were ex Surrealists but that doesn't change history either.
If you can offer a citation which proves your claim I'd be glad to
consider it. Until then the question seems settled. Even so, I'll
probably do some research into Prevert later, when I have time.
elag
Thanks for the research Parry. You can pick up your blancmange at the
information desk.