The Portland Surrealist Group website
Brandon Freels
imagist
specimen (fish picture) is of a breed long since thought to be extinct.
Obviously I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the fish but I am
sure someone here will see me right on that one. To sum up (It all makes
sense) A or it thought to be extinct, only to be found living it's life in
the shadows away from everything else. Does sound familiar.
john adams
"imagist" <ima...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:asoq2k$deu$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
: FISH, now was this a coincidence or did some one understand that the
Pull yourself together man!
Kwigd144
about time Portland Surrealist Group is online! Great work! You have been
added! Keith Wigdor/Surrealist
Brandon Freels
> http://www.zazie.at/Portland/00_WebPages/Index.htm
But Keith, what's so "great" about the website?
PS Please, do not e-mail me.
Brandon Freels
You're quick!
Kwigd144
is so great!!! You and Shibek are GREAT! I ADDED YOUR WEBSITE TO MY WEBSITE!
Go to my LINKS SECTION and YOU WILL SEE,www.keithwigdorsurrealism.com!!!! Why
can't I E-mail you? I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not
think you are an Instrument of PASSION!!!! YOU ARE
PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
travelling monk
travelling monk
I understand your pain, I do.
Kwigd144
FAN YOURSELF AND OPEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
travelling monk
>Great! YOU UNDERSTAND MY PAIN IS LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUMB ASS
>FAN YOURSELF AND OPEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The winds are far-reaching, as I can almost feel them
touching you now. Be still, and turn your passion into
something of enduring beauty. Your struggle with impatience
and anger will melt away like ice on a bridge to a strange
land.
Kwigd144
ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon Freels
Retard,
Your link just goes to Zazie's site, and it should be listed under
"Portland Surrealist Group" --- not "Brandon Freels"!
I would actually prefer you have no link at all.
Kwigd144
FOR EVERY SURREALIST GROUP ON THE INTERNET AND ALSO OUR SURREALIST COMRADES
THAT I KNOW (that yOU DON't, however I will Introduce you all to each other
through my website). You see Brandon, I AM NOT AN INSTRUMENT OF PASSION (nor
am I am stooge of Rosemont like you, and I do not sell anything on my website,
no art, no books, NOTHING!) for I AM PASSION! I am BUILDING THIS WEBSITE FOR
THE ENTIRE WORLD TO EMBRACE SURREALISM! Brandon, What I am going to do is
Place the Groups in the Links section according to CHAOS, so Your Group would
be next to HAIFA ZANGANA, you know, THEN STUART INMAN next to PARIS GROUP, you
know, I want to set up my LINKS Section in this Fashion: INDIVIDUAL SURREALSIT
next to DIFFERENT GROUP, because WHO CARES WHAT GROUP YOU BELONG TO!!!! You
know, YOU ALL BELONG TO SURREALISM!!!! I want to see Dale next to PRAGUE
GROUP, etc,etc. Brandon, I also have been RECEIVING MANY E-mails from some
heavies who LOVE what I AM DOING! After all this is all for SURREALISM! I
LOVE YOUR STORY ABOUT THE, "TUBE". Anyway, I hAVE MUCH TO DO AND (you know me,
THE RETARD) SO MANY PEOPLE TO TURN ON TO SURREALISM!!!! Oh Brandon, Why
doesn't Ron give his book away for free (for the cause, you know) instead of
Charging $22 dollars for a copy? Hey, we all have to make a buck I see, BUT NO
CAPITALIST BULLSHIT ON MY WEBSITE! EVERYTHING ON THERE IS OPEN TO THE WORLD!
Oh, Brandon, I LOVE YOU! Hello Haifa, you are great!!!
Brandon Freels
> My LoVE! WHY BE SO NASTY?! I LOVE YOU!!!
Well, yeah, more free stuff would be great. I don't sell anything either.
And you are a retard, admit it!
---BJF
Kwigd144
Brandon, YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW! TO DESTROY LOGIC YOU MUST BECOME RETARDED!
THAT IS THE FIRST STEP IN DESTROYING THE SUPPORT SYSTEM FoR THE CAPITALIST
PARADIGM! I HAVE NOT BEEN DIAGNOSED AS RETARDED BUT I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE
RETARTED IN ORDER TO EXPLOIT AND TRASH YOUR SYSTEM OF LOGIC AND CONTROL! LOOK
AT WHAT I HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED ALL BY MY RETARDED SELF! I ALSO ASK THAT
FRANKLIN ROSEMONT ADMIT IN A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT HE IS NOT ANY LEADER NOR
SURREALISM IN THE USA HAS A LEADER! THE CHICAGO GROUP AND ALL THE GROUPS WILL
MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT DENOUNCING, "AUTONOMUS CONTROL" over the SURREALIST
MOVEMENT AND OPEN DOORS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!! REVOLUTiON WILL TAKE PLACE WITHIN
THE MOVEMENT FIRST AND I WILL DESTROY THIS INTELLECTUAL MONSTER THAT CANNOT
SUR-REALIZE THE SUBJECTIVE FREEDOM AND UNIFICATION OF ALL MANKIND! ROSEMONT
MUST ADMIT IN A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT THERE ARE NO LEADERS, NO OFFICIAL STATUS
AND NO CLOSED DOORS! I WILL START FUCKING WITH EVERYBODY NOW!
Zack
Arts and Disabilities gallery on McDonald Ave. Your right
-you have allot in common with those retarded artists. For
one you have great passion about your work as they have!
Another great thing about those retarded artists. One, they
don't do it for money ;fame; etc, but rather they do art out
of the love of it. And some of that stuff is very good.
Kwigd144
Atrocity Art Exhibit on McDonald Avenue behind the Auto Parts and Repair
Garage(can't give exact location for legal reasons) where my associates exhibit
HUMAN BODY PARTS in an Exhibit called, "BUSTARELLA - THE GABOLETTI RIGHT OF
PASSAGE", I am the demon responsible for giving all these guys the idea, you
know. Tell them KEITHY MOVIES SENT YOU!
Zack
I see you have mafioso connections. I will see
you exhibit in Las Vegas soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe the exhibit is called 3d kiethorobics
at mustang ranch. A must see film.
Kwigd144
JFA
WHAT ARE YOU BECOMING NOW
JFA
Kwigd144
Morpheal
>
> Zak, The universe is not closed!
Laughing uproariously.....
Yes and now.
The shape of the universe indicates there are many, not one. It cannot
be accounted for by means of the originary fact of its coming into
existence. There have to be others, exerting their pressure, giving it
its shape. Saddle shaped actually... ride, baby, ride.... on your
mystery ship....
R.
Brandon Freels
> http://www.zazie.at/Portland/00_WebPages/Index.htm
We just put up three collective drawings at the site.
Morpheal
> I AM A RETARD! I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE RETARDED, EVEN WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY!!!!
Caroline has now granted your wish. She has given you permanent, severe,
brain damage. Except she went a bit too far. She always gets carried
away. She made you a cretin instead of a retard. Sorry about that.
You'll be a bit more challenged from now on.
Not much, though. Only a little bit. A very tiny little bit.
R.
elag
The snake crawled back to the garden
blameless he traded bottles of essential oil
distilled essence of light
the ghost of a scent
ascended above the head waters
of the delta of venus
a flask of hot lightning
lightened the mood
of those who would be sweet as sugarcane
Kwigd144
Morpheal
>
> serene and silent waves
Your brain has been turned down. It was too loud.
You're in sleep mode now.
Maybe you'll sleep for a million years and when you awaken
find that nothing has changed.
R.
Kwigd144
Nikolaus Maack
message board on their website. Seems sort of odd, given all the
complaining Barrett and friends did about Now Surreal being the land of
censorship. Now they're proposing to follow the leader.
One wonders how they manage to ignore the contadiction: "What you do is
evil, what I do is for the greater good."
Evidently the Portland surrealists fight dictatorships, not because
dictators are evil, but because none of them gets to be a dictator.
Here comes "Now Surreal II", not run by commercial types, but
idealogues. Is either one worse than the other?
Dale Houstman
The issue with NowSurreal DID NOT revolve about whether or not they had
a message board - as I am sure you must realize. It revolved about their
right to the name "surreal" given that they undermined real surreal
activity (no matter what you think about it) by turning into a Gift
Shop, and by claming to be open when they were - in fact - censoring
huge chunks of material, to the point of removing material ALREADY
posted when they saw fit.
Capitalism - by the way - IS an ideology. So your cryude dichotomy is
dysfunctional insofar as it hopes to be the basis for any critical
analysis of the situation.
dmh
Nikolaus Maack
> censoring
> huge chunks of material, to the point of removing material ALREADY
> posted when they saw fit.
So you're saying that by preventing people from posting material, it's
not censorship -- it's only censorship when you remove something already
posted? That's certainly a convenient stance for you to take.
> Capitalism - by the way - IS an ideology. So your crude dichotomy is
> dysfunctional insofar as it hopes to be the basis for any critical
> analysis of the situation.
Ah, but Dale -- my argument is that the dichotomy is non-existent. Now
Surreal is what you're emulating. Any slight differences are
exaggerated in order to make you feel good about this decision.
"THEIR website misused the word surrealism! OUR website will use the
TRUE definition."
And except for selling posters, you're pretty much doing exactly what
they're doing, right?
"No riff-raff in our message board! Only card-carrying-surrealists
allowed! No trouble-makers!"
And how dull is THAT going to be?
What do you expect to achieve on the website that cannot be achieved in
this newsgroup -- other than you get to CONTROL the website? CONTROL --
that doesn't sound like a particularly "surreal" motive to me.
Kwigd144
It's Like this!: NowSurreal provided for anyone and everyone to come on there
and kick it root down, HOWEVER, Many GASBAGS and HASBEENS started to rile up
the Webmaster IAN EADE, THE MOST PASSIONATE AND GIVING MAN THAT HAS EVER GRACED
SURREALISM! So, Ian, who had the patience of a Saint, Put up with a real large
amount of unnecessary harrassement/spams/attacks/insults and backstabbing LONG
BEFORE I WAS THERE! This man was abused beyond reason, and all he did was
bounce this big mouth white trash from his crib, ya know! I myself miss the
Forums so much, It was a lot of fun and even when things went haywire, I stayed
loyal to IAN to this very day, while every else abused him and trashed the
site, ruining it for EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My right honorable
friend BIG DAVY IMAGIST will TESTIFY TO THAT, and I'm not dissing no crackers,
WORD IS BORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Morpheal
>
> I have no anger! All I have is LOVE! I LOVE YOU
> ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's it.... you're crucified. We'll use titanium nails, at least
twelve inches long... It's more modern and sanitary.
Even Caroline didn't know you were that much of a absolute martyr.
R.
john adams
take issue with NowSurreal's active censoring of posts by its members, and other
related stupid behaviour, of course. To purport to be an open forum to the public
seems contradictory, in consideration of those actions. Secondly, I have to say,
NowSurreal - for all the ways it tries not to be surrealism - should also have the
perfect right to represent its (sometimes cheesy) notion of Surrealism. That's just
a matter of personal freedom, and people may take disagreement with the notions
expressed via NowSurreal, as they have.
Additionally, it is perfectly fine to form one's own forum and invite in only those
it wishes as a matter of the right to privately convene, or conversely through an
open format in a manner attempting to uphold the smoothest functionality with
fairness to all the participants in mind. The problem I do see, admittedly, is in one
party actually trying to prevent another from representing a word or idea, however
impure the representation may seem, for this doesn't seem very revolutionary at all.
Neither surrealists nor surrealism's poseurs, hitch-hikers, geeks, tramps,
homeless agents, or various other artistic hoodlums, brats, villains, apes, cheats,
sales associates, and night time clerks own the word. Let them all be free!
-john
Brandon Freels
> your Life is in Nowhere Mode you whacko!
Yeah, but Keith, did you see the drawings?
Kwigd144
great! I also really liked the story about the, "TUBE" bar and Shibek's writing
is on. There is a long way to go........
Kwigd144
what your own input is, granted that I do not doubt that You/Your
group/Brandon, Shibek, etc,etc, are Surrealists, you are, that is not to be
argued, never was, but LOOK and REFLECT on the ACTUAL CIRCUMSTANCES that led up
to the decisions of one webmaster. John, It's Ian's website, that is what it
all boils down to, we can get really into the reasons or even dialectics
regarding Interpretation(or Perversion)of Surrealism, but I know what I
experienced firsthand and see with my own eyes. NowSurreal UK, nor Ian (who is
NowSurreal) does not CENSOR, nor engage in CENSORSHIP. If it was my website and
my Forums, and I was the Forums and Website Administrator, I would allow the
person to make a complete asshole of themselves (and I would be too), However,
Ian is a gentlemen with rationality and reason, and these people were fucking
with him, Pure and Simple,so he bounced them, like throwing a freeloader out of
your house. I look at it this way, ME Personally, I don't mind the Verbal Abuse
and Attacks, because I thrive on Confrontation ,in this Cyberspace, It is only
Type and Data, after all. However, He (Ian) makes a decision, that is all that
is, You fuck with him, he bounces you, that is not Censorship. LOOK AT WHAT
THAT PRICK:PARRY HARNDEN did to me!!!! So, really who is calling who a CENSOR!
Myself, I have my own website and all is welcome, hey, I even have a CHAT
program that I can start up. I could start up a website with a Forum, and If
anyone wants to come on in and Fuck with me like they did with Ian, I promise,
that I would not bounce you, I would terrorize the shit out of you like I do in
here anyway! I am still here and look where your,"Surrealist" comrades are. I
don't need Zazie to place me on a website, I even linked Her and Brandon to
mine. I also want to state that this Movement needs a real jolt of life, and
you will not find it with PARIS or Chicago or anyone other single group. Try
Uniting yourselves as one whole group and/or stop hiding behind the Autonomous
Control of your own group,or Chicago, and even make a public statement, that
there are no leaders, and tell Mr.Rosemont that if he keeps on making &
standing behind his public statements that Tex Avery could &should be a
Surrealist, then Bugs Bunny does run the Movement! Remember, this is what the
world sees, and if you cannot get the ordinary man and woman on the street to
UNDERSTAND what you and your movement is about, THEN YOU COME OFF AS ANOTHER
FLAKO- INTELLECTUAL KNOW-IT-ALL ASSHOLE who turns people off instead of turning
people on. Keith Wigdor
Brandon Freels
> I've been mulling over the whole idea of the Portland group creating a
> message board on their website.
We don't have a message board on our website.
Nikolaus Maack
> We don't have a message board on our website.
Yes. However, Barrett wrote a message suggesting he liked the idea and
such a thing is in the works. I quote it belkow. Note his reference to
NowSurreal and how he intends to emulate them. Fences = Control.
I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of this. It all just strikes
me as sort of sad. Usenet's philosophy appeals to me -- an open forum
for all to play in. As the years go by, more and more people are
fleeing to web-based message boards. Partly for the technological
features -- pictures and sounds and the like -- and partly for more
control over who gets to participate.
Barrett said:
>concerning the BlueFeathers forum--
>
>we haven't yet announced the forum to our friends because we're still
>doing testing and initial posts to launch some of the topics and build
>functional but unobtrusive fences (empty forums don't inspire
>participation and NowSurreal proved that fences are unfortunately
>necessary).
>
>our first concern is to provide space for, and launch some specific
>projects that require a focused _surrealist_ collaboration away from
>noisy children.
>
>our second concern is to conduct that collaborative exploration "in
>public" so to speak.
>
>our third concern is to allow a space for anyone who may be interested
>(regardless of "age") to comment on that process without disrupting it.
>
>when we're satisfied that the forum can function as intended, that i am
>familiar enough with the quirks of the software, and have put
>sufficient safeguards in place that i won't have to wipe out the
entire >user base to correct a mistake (as i did last week), we will
announce >it in those venues where our friends currently gather and
invite them >in.
I know it's easy to fall asleep in here and ignore the wash of messages
gushing by. Happens to me all the time.
Dale Houstman
But is he still mulling it over?
dmh
barrett john erickson
Nik wrote:
> Yes. However, Barrett wrote a message suggesting he liked the idea and
> such a thing is in the works. I quote it belkow. Note his reference to
> NowSurreal and how he intends to emulate them. Fences = Control.
i'm not in Portland, Nik. the forum i refer to is a BlueFeathers project.
beyond that, saying that i "intend to emulate" NowSurreal is the kind of
slander that would have us meeting in the woods tomorrow with our swords if
you were within reach of my gloves.
as Ian is so fond of saying, you don't have sufficient knowledge about
NowSurreal to come to such a conclusion (and/or imply that from what i did
say). but there is plenty of evidence of my objections to that site.
the forum we are soon to announce to our friends is intended as an easily
accessible open 24 hours a day space for those who wish to join us in
specific work on specific projects relating to the present and future of
surrealist theory and practice.
we intend that this work be conducted in the open, where anyone interested
can observe, and we have provided space for comment and suggestion, but we
feel no obligation to allow the general population to participate directly.
> I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of this. It all just strikes
> me as sort of sad. Usenet's philosophy appeals to me -- an open forum
> for all to play in.
and to me. but where there is specific work to do, the noise is frequently
too distracting.
> As the years go by, more and more people are
> fleeing to web-based message boards. Partly for the technological
> features -- pictures and sounds and the like -- and partly for more
> control over who gets to participate.
unfortunately, experience tells us that any effort to explore and extend
surrealist theory will quickly deteriorate into endless efforts to explain
even the most basic fundamentals of surrealism (often to those who refuse to
accept that there are any) if we do not treat such basic understanding as a
pre-requisite qualification for participation.
-- barrett
Blue Feathers
http://www.MagneticFields.org/blue/
surrealists in minnesota
http://www.MagneticFields.org/SurrMN
Sur...@MagneticFields.org
bar...@MagneticFields.org
http://www.MagneticFields.org/
==============================================
"Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a
certain point of the mind at which life and death, the real and
the imagined, past and future, the communicable and the
incommunicable, high and low, cease to be perceived as
contradictions."
...André Breton
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Kwigd144
Dale's, "A QUESTION OF TASTE", over at the Magnetic Fields Forum? You might
want to go back and read it carefully and then realize that it is wise to stay
away from them, especially if you are under 18 years of
age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon Freels
> We don't have a message board on our website.
Nik wrote:
> Yes. However, Barrett wrote ...
[snip]
Yes. However, what Barrett wrote has nothing to do with the Portland
Surrealist Group. We don't have a message board on our website.
Nikolaus Maack
An evil, evil woman by the name of (I invoke her name!) Andrea Chen came
into this newsgroup a billion years ago, and made Barrett, Dale, and
Brandon dance like hooting, shit-flinging monkeys. It was hilarious.
At that time, she dubbed them Dumb (Barrett), Dumber (Dale), and Dumbest
(Brandon). I have to admit that, even now -- years later -- I still
occasionally think of them in these terms.
I thought this anecdote would amuse you, and incite you to new levels of
madness and frothing.
But don't worry about me. I'm too busy to get all embroiled in a
lengthy alt.surrealism conversation. Where there was once a time I'd
get hung up on the notion of explaining my ideas to these three, I have
long since lost that desire.
As for them, they talk alot, but they never seem to DO anything of note.
And their talk is always just that -- hollow, pointless,
theoretical, inactive, flabby talk. The chatter of plotters whose plot
will never hatch.
Nowadays, I know that explaining myself to others is a waste of time.
Instead, I explain myself to myself. It's far more entertaining, and I
laugh at all of my own jokes. I am capable of knowing when I'm kidding
or not. It's a knack other people never pick up.
I recommend you give up the battle, and instead, dance your dance. Yes,
the conflict can act as a wonderful force to keep you moving, but
really, it just drags you down in the end.
Nikolaus Maack
My mistake. I assumed you and Barrett lived in the same town. In fact,
I assumed you slept tucked under his pillow.
Kwigd144
years go on and still their creative output lays dormant, or if they want it to
grow.
Dale Houstman
No - as with all your comments on Now Surreal - you read badly and
responded too quickly with your usual knee-jerk response to certain
names rather than to actual content, so you simply got it wrong.
dmh
Morpheal
> Nik, You might want to reconsider ever talking to these guys. Did you read Dale's, "A QUESTION OF TASTE", over at the Magnetic Fields Forum? You might want to go back and read it carefully and then realize that it is wise to stay away from them, especially if you are under 18 years of
age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both their tastes were completely ruined by magnetic fields... I suggest
you not talk to those closet homosexuals. Leave them to their's and
think about Caroline. You don't know what she COULD do for your sex
life, if it pleases her to do it.
R.
Morpheal
> Brandon, That reply was to Robert. I did see all the drawings and they were great! I also really liked the story about the, "TUBE" bar and Shibek's writing is on. There is a long way to go........
You really shouldn't talk to Brandon. He's also one of those who is
unsure about which way to go. You might push him too far, one day, and
he might go all the way. You should keep to the straight and narrow, you
know. None of that AC/DC stuff... Man, straighten out. Before Caroline
finds out and gives you the ultimate push....
R.
Kwigd144
Minnesota Gang! I can even hear Howls coming all the way from Portland!
Brandon is in HEAT! OOOOWWWWWHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Kwigd144
your post for submissions? If they did not, then it is very foolish of them for
it REALLY APPEARS THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY REAL SURREALIST IN HERE! Here, Morpheal
goes and makes an announcment for Submissions, DID ANYONE FROM THE PORTLAND or
MINNESOTA GROUP RESPOND TO MORPHEAL's REQUEST FOR SUBMISSIONS?