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TODD TAMANEND CLARK

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Chronologically:

Spellbound (1945)
The Flying Serpent (1946)
The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)
Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
The Killer Shrews (1959)
The Living Head (1959)
The Tingler (1959)
The Mask (1961)
The Brainiac (1961)
The Snake People (1968)
Performance (1969)
200 Motels (1971)
Space Is The Place (1974)
Eraserhead (1977)
The Manitou (1978)
Altered States (1980)
Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
Naked Lunch (1991)
Fire Walk with Me (1992)
Natural Born Killers (1994)

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Andy Averill

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"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
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> Chronologically:
>
> Spellbound (1945)
> The Flying Serpent (1946)
> The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)
> Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
> The Killer Shrews (1959)
> The Living Head (1959)
> The Tingler (1959)
> The Mask (1961)
> The Brainiac (1961)
> The Snake People (1968)
> Performance (1969)
> 200 Motels (1971)
> Space Is The Place (1974)
> Eraserhead (1977)
> The Manitou (1978)
> Altered States (1980)
> Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
> Naked Lunch (1991)
> Fire Walk with Me (1992)

> Natural Born Killers (1994)

Oops, I forgot that one, unquestionably one of the strangest ever. But most
of the rest of yours are horror movies, and aren't they supposed to be
strange?


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aemilia

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May 28, 2001, 2:59:06 PM5/28/01
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On Mon, 28 May 2001 12:44:45 -0700, "TODD TAMANEND CLARK"
<tama...@charterpa.net> woke up compelled to spew forth:

What about Brazil and Delicatessen?

and if you are going to post to alt.surrealism, you would have to
mention Un Chien Andalou.

aemilia

john adams

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May 28, 2001, 3:48:38 PM5/28/01
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"aemilia" <aemilia...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> and if you are going to post to alt.surrealism, you would have to
> mention Un Chien Andalou.

And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.,
Yor, the Hunter from the Future... are all quintessential surrealist
pieces. Let us not forget also The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes
and Shaggy D.A., which were somewhere in the middle of that era.

john


Brandon Freels

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May 28, 2001, 4:02:27 PM5/28/01
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"aemilia" wrote

> and if you are going to post to alt.surrealism, you would have to
> mention Un Chien Andalou.

Don't forget El Topo, The Holy Mountain, Santa Sangre (all Jodorowsky), and,
of course Argento's Deep Red, Stendhal Syndrome, Tenebre, Creepers,
Suspiria, etc.


Carsten van Derhaag

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May 28, 2001, 4:21:03 PM5/28/01
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what about titanic?


Mark Das

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May 28, 2001, 4:50:32 PM5/28/01
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Add "Being John Malkovich" somewhere to your list. To not add it would be
blasphemous.

-Mark

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Tulse Luper

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May 28, 2001, 7:23:49 PM5/28/01
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Some films for your list:

Freaks (1932)
Week-End (1967)
Even Dwarfs Started Small (1970)
Themroc (1972)
The Phantom of Liberty (1974)
A Walk Through H (1978)
The Falls (1980)
Tetsuo (1988)
Begotten (1991)

Tulse Luper
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/surrealmovies

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Gordo

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May 28, 2001, 8:32:18 PM5/28/01
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Don't forget:

Lost Highway
Barton Fink
Incredible Shrinking Man

Brian

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May 29, 2001, 3:36:11 PM5/29/01
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Tetsuo. Man, that one may top all. I've got to go rent that again tonight.

And how about VideoDrome?

Brian
www.getmeadeal.com

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DrFrankn1

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May 29, 2001, 5:11:56 PM5/29/01
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don't forget:

Eraserhead
The Straight Story
Sweet Movie
Grunt!: The Wrestling Movie
Killer Klowns from Outer Space

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Parry

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"john adams" <johnqa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "aemilia" <aemilia...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > "TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
> > > Chronologically:
> > > Spellbound (1945)
> > > The Flying Serpent (1946)
> > > The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)
> > > Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
> > > The Killer Shrews (1959)
> > > The Living Head (1959)
> > > The Tingler (1959)
> > > The Mask (1961)
> > > The Brainiac (1961)
> > > The Snake People (1968)
> > > Performance (1969)
> > > 200 Motels (1971)
> > > Space Is The Place (1974)
> > > Eraserhead (1977)
> > > The Manitou (1978)
> > > Altered States (1980)
> > > Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
> > > Naked Lunch (1991)
> > > Fire Walk with Me (1992)
> > > Natural Born Killers (1994)
> >
> > and if you are going to post to alt.surrealism, you would have to
> > mention Un Chien Andalou.
>
> And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.,

That’s one fine movie.

> Yor, the Hunter from the Future... are all quintessential surrealist
> pieces. Let us not forget also The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes
> and Shaggy D.A., which were somewhere in the middle of that era.

Yes, any standard of strange that would include “Koyaanisqatsi” over
“The Shaggy D.A.” is suspect. And, as another poster suggested, horror
films are the science of strange and hundreds of horror titles would
supersede most everything on the list. “The Horrible Dr. Hichcock,” for
one.

Some of the films listed don’t strike me as strange. Strange requires a
degree of the incomprehensible. “Natural Born Killers” seems to me
strictly rational, a director playing with topicality. Lynch is shtick.

In the 1930’s, there was a social commentary filmed from a script by a
prominent American capitalist. Can anyone remember this film’s title or
other details?

William Blatty’s “The Ninth Configuration” is a strange film because
after it spends most of its time in the shadows between madness and
normalcy it delivers itself to the derangement of religious thought. All
religious films are strange.

“Planet of the Apes” depicts a strange world. The Apes series is strange
for its plummeting production values and its disregard for plot
continuity. The original “Planet of the Apes” was a satire on religious
fundamentalism; the remake will be strange if it downplays this aspect
of the story.

Ed Wood’s “Glen or Glenda?” is strange by any standard.

Hollywood blockbusters are strange because they spend fortunes to make
films as brain-dead as the King of Nepal. It’s strange too that people
pay to see them.

-- Parry

Parry

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Jun 4, 2001, 11:11:19 AM6/4/01
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I don’t know that these titles fit in the poster’s original list, for
which the idea of “strange” is not a far throw from “crappy.”

john adams

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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message

> >
> > And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.,
>
> That's one fine movie.

I underestimate your tastes (or lack of) parry.

> > Yor, the Hunter from the Future... are all quintessential surrealist
> > pieces. Let us not forget also The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes
> > and Shaggy D.A., which were somewhere in the middle of that era.
>
> Yes, any standard of strange that would include "Koyaanisqatsi" over
> "The Shaggy D.A." is suspect. And, as another poster suggested, horror
> films are the science of strange and hundreds of horror titles would
> supersede most everything on the list. "The Horrible Dr. Hichcock," for
> one.
>
> Some of the films listed don't strike me as strange. Strange requires a
> degree of the incomprehensible. "Natural Born Killers" seems to me
> strictly rational, a director playing with topicality. Lynch is shtick.
>
> In the 1930's, there was a social commentary filmed from a script by a
> prominent American capitalist. Can anyone remember this film's title or
> other details?
>
> William Blatty's "The Ninth Configuration" is a strange film because
> after it spends most of its time in the shadows between madness and
> normalcy it delivers itself to the derangement of religious thought. All
> religious films are strange.
>
> "Planet of the Apes" depicts a strange world. The Apes series is strange
> for its plummeting production values and its disregard for plot
> continuity. The original "Planet of the Apes" was a satire on religious
> fundamentalism; the remake will be strange if it downplays this aspect
> of the story.
>

I haven't heard much about it, only saw a few trailer images, but with
tim burton working it it may have something interesting or imaginitive,
to offer in the way sleepyhollow or some of his others were effective at
drawing up dark peculiar realms. I won't speculate on plot values for now.

I don't really seem to have much use for the word "strange" most of the time.
Or I shoudl say usually when i hear it applied towards a movie, I never seem
to agree with the use. An example, I recently saw A Friend Like Harry, and the
people who accompanied me felt mostly compelled to describe it as "weird".
Somehow they liked it, but it was just weird. Meaning, i think, that despite
being compelled to a degree, they didn't allow themselves to entirely warm up to
it, instead resigning themselves to safer more conventional ground. Well that's fine -
one can only expect so much from one's family (before having to off them - see
'a friend like harry').

john


Treeclimbr

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Brother's Quay
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Rick

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How can it be that "Tetsuo: The Iron Man" hasn't been metioned yet?
--
Rick

The public wants what the public gets
But I don't get what this society wants

Brandon Freels

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We were waiting for you.

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Lila

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"Rick" <rlu...@execpc.com> schreef in bericht
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<SNIP>

>
> How can it be that "Tetsuo: The Iron Man" hasn't been metioned yet?
> --
> Rick
>
> The public wants what the public gets
> But I don't get what this society wants

My vote for the strangest movie ever goes to "Being John Malkovich"...
Thatone made my head spin, for hours...:))

Grtz, Lila


Brandi Weed

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Jun 5, 2001, 12:49:42 PM6/5/01
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A list that doesn't mention Shanks should hardly count.

Brandi

Parry

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Jun 5, 2001, 5:14:59 PM6/5/01
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john adams wrote:
>
> "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.,
> >
> > That's one fine movie.
>
> I underestimate your tastes (or lack of) parry.

I’m not sure if you mean you overestimated my taste or underestimated my
lack of taste, but I’ll take it as a compliment either way.

[snip]

> > "Planet of the Apes" depicts a strange world. The Apes series is strange
> > for its plummeting production values and its disregard for plot
> > continuity. The original "Planet of the Apes" was a satire on religious
> > fundamentalism; the remake will be strange if it downplays this aspect
> > of the story.
> >
>
> I haven't heard much about it, only saw a few trailer images, but with
> tim burton working it it may have something interesting or imaginitive,
> to offer in the way sleepyhollow or some of his others were effective at
> drawing up dark peculiar realms. I won't speculate on plot values for now.

The movie sounds promising, but so did “Mars Attacks” and I thought that
was one of the worst films I’d ever seen. Its badness actually depressed
me, particularly because it came right after his best movie, “Ed Wood.”
The original “Apes” was such a sunny movie; I wonder how it will filter
through Burton’s dark lugubrious style. You’re nominated to review the
thing when it comes out.


> I don't really seem to have much use for the word "strange" most of the time.
> Or I shoudl say usually when i hear it applied towards a movie, I never seem
> to agree with the use. An example, I recently saw A Friend Like Harry, and the
> people who accompanied me felt mostly compelled to describe it as "weird".
> Somehow they liked it, but it was just weird. Meaning, i think, that despite
> being compelled to a degree, they didn't allow themselves to entirely warm up to
> it, instead resigning themselves to safer more conventional ground. Well that's fine -
> one can only expect so much from one's family (before having to off them - see
> 'a friend like harry').

I think I know what you mean. Some use the word “strange” like they’re
corking a bottle. The label contains the content: once applied to a
movie (or anything else), they no longer have to think about it. And an
idea doesn’t have to veer far from the beaten path to be considered
“strange.” In actuality, everything is strange when seen in the right
light. Strangeness should signal the desire for closer scrutiny, rather
than knee-jerk pigeonholing.

Jake Patterson

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>> > > Spellbound (1945)
>> > > The Flying Serpent (1946)
>> > > The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)
>> > > Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
>> > > The Killer Shrews (1959)
>> > > The Living Head (1959)
>> > > The Tingler (1959)
>> > > The Mask (1961)
>> > > The Brainiac (1961)
>> > > The Snake People (1968)
>> > > Performance (1969)
>> > > 200 Motels (1971)
>> > > Space Is The Place (1974)
>> > > Eraserhead (1977)
>> > > The Manitou (1978)
>> > > Altered States (1980)
>> > > Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
>> > > Naked Lunch (1991)
>> > > Fire Walk with Me (1992)
>> > > Natural Born Killers (1994)

Both Being John Malcovitch and Pi deserve a place on that list more then NBK
does. I would also nominate Delicatessen, The City of Lost Children, and I
would second Un Chien Andalou which was mentioned by someone else. I am,
however, quite ashamed to admit that the only ones on your list that I have
seen are 200 Motels, Naked Lunch, and NBK.


Dale Houstman

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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B1D4B...@perfectOMITmail.com...

>
> The movie sounds promising, but so did "Mars Attacks" and I thought that
> was one of the worst films I'd ever seen. Its badness actually depressed
> me, particularly because it came right after his best movie, "Ed Wood."

Although I agree "Mars Attacks" is no "Ed Wood" I think it's a rather
enjoyable homage to the simple anarchy of Harryhausen films. It's hard to
totally dislike a film in which the Colin Powell character gets wiped out so
quickly. As for any problems with the production, we might blame it on the
usual corporate stupidity: Tim Burton didn't want to release it so soon, and
told the executives who were pushing him for an early release that it wasn't
finished. After they persisted in bugging him he finally just tossed in the
towel and let them have it. Still, I like it's obsessive destruction of
everything "good."

dmh

bennet_john_earl

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Jun 5, 2001, 7:31:24 PM6/5/01
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(apologies if these breaks don't occur properly from this
webpage window).

"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message

> > > > And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million
Years B.C.,
> > >
> > > That's one fine movie.
> >
> > I underestimate your tastes (or lack of) parry.
>
> I'm not sure if you mean you overestimated my taste or
underestimated my
> lack of taste, but I'll take it as a compliment either way.

I think I was trying to indicate, in one lazy maneuver, that
either your tastes
were bad to embrace the movie, or by contrast highly
polished to
embrace the "so bad it's good" aspects of the film. On one
hand you have to respect
the unique cultural perspectives and psychological
mechanisms behind
such works, and then secondly, the rational defying leaps and
bounds these
attempts often make, and in particular the conflict of man vs.
old world susperstitions
of nature, placed against the back drop of an otherworldly
quasi sci-fi continuum.
So at once, we are forced to ask ourselves how could they
have been so badly
created ,and simultaneously could they, in all honesty, have
been made any better?
More study is certainly needed at the the university level.

> > > "Planet of the Apes" depicts a strange world. The Apes
series is strange
> > > for its plummeting production values and its disregard
for plot
> > > continuity. The original "Planet of the Apes" was a
satire on religious
> > > fundamentalism; the remake will be strange if it
downplays this aspect
> > > of the story.
> > >
> >
> > I haven't heard much about it, only saw a few trailer
images, but with
> > tim burton working it it may have something interesting
or imaginitive,
> > to offer in the way sleepyhollow or some of his others
were effective at
> > drawing up dark peculiar realms. I won't speculate on
plot values for now.
>

> The movie sounds promising, but so did "Mars Attacks" and
I thought that
> was one of the worst films I'd ever seen. Its badness
actually depressed
> me, particularly because it came right after his best
movie, "Ed Wood."

> The original "Apes" was such a sunny movie; I wonder how
it will filter
> through Burton's dark lugubrious style.

I can't say that I hated Mars Attacks, myself. But I am not
going out to buy
the video anytime soon nor anticipating catching it again on
tv. To me it was
slightly better than the Batman episodes, which aren't too
worth mentioning btw.

>You're nominated to review the thing when it comes out.

Gee, what an honor; I, in turn then, nominate you to review
Kiss of
the Dragon, coming to theaters near you in July as well, one of
the only new releases I am aware of at the moment. Prepare
your
writing pens soon.

Precisely, and that there are these ambiguous controls placed
on the
willingness to lend the imagination to what may be
regarded 'different'.

-john


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bennet_john_earl

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Oh yeah, and this isnt really bennet earl (my hick cousin from
up north). I forgot to alter the sig. name after signing up here
a while back to initiate a test post as the site seemed to still
be in the implementing barely working phases. No offense
bennet earl john.

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john adams

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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message news:3B1D4B...@perfectOMITmail.com...

> john adams wrote:
> >
> > "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.,
> > >
> > > That's one fine movie.
> >
> > I underestimate your tastes (or lack of) parry.
>
> I'm not sure if you mean you overestimated my taste or underestimated my
> lack of taste, but I'll take it as a compliment either way.

I think I was trying to indicate, in one lazy maneuver, that either your tastes


were bad to embrace the movie, or by contrast highly polished to
embrace the "so bad it's good" aspects of the film. On one hand you have to respect
the unique cultural perspectives and psychological mechanisms behind
such works, and then secondly, the rational defying leaps and bounds these
attempts often make, and in particular the conflict of man vs. old world susperstitions
of nature, placed against the back drop of an otherworldly quasi sci-fi continuum.
So at once, we are forced to ask ourselves how could they have been so badly
created ,and simultaneously could they, in all honesty, have been made any better?
More study is certainly needed at the the university level.

> > > "Planet of the Apes" depicts a strange world. The Apes series is strange


> > > for its plummeting production values and its disregard for plot
> > > continuity. The original "Planet of the Apes" was a satire on religious
> > > fundamentalism; the remake will be strange if it downplays this aspect
> > > of the story.
> > >
> >
> > I haven't heard much about it, only saw a few trailer images, but with
> > tim burton working it it may have something interesting or imaginitive,
> > to offer in the way sleepyhollow or some of his others were effective at
> > drawing up dark peculiar realms. I won't speculate on plot values for now.
>
> The movie sounds promising, but so did "Mars Attacks" and I thought that
> was one of the worst films I'd ever seen. Its badness actually depressed
> me, particularly because it came right after his best movie, "Ed Wood."
> The original "Apes" was such a sunny movie; I wonder how it will filter
> through Burton's dark lugubrious style.

I can't say that I hated Mars Attacks, myself. But I am not going out to buy


the video anytime soon nor anticipating catching it again on tv. To me it was
slightly better than the Batman episodes, which aren't too worth mentioning btw.

>You're nominated to review the thing when it comes out.

Gee, what an honor; I, in turn then, nominate you to review Kiss of


the Dragon, coming to theaters near you in July as well, one of
the only new releases I am aware of at the moment. Prepare your
writing pens soon.

> > I don't really seem to have much use for the word "strange" most of the time.


> > Or I shoudl say usually when i hear it applied towards a movie, I never seem
> > to agree with the use. An example, I recently saw A Friend Like Harry, and the
> > people who accompanied me felt mostly compelled to describe it as "weird".
> > Somehow they liked it, but it was just weird. Meaning, i think, that despite
> > being compelled to a degree, they didn't allow themselves to entirely warm up to
> > it, instead resigning themselves to safer more conventional ground. Well that's fine -
> > one can only expect so much from one's family (before having to off them - see
> > 'a friend like harry').
>
> I think I know what you mean. Some use the word "strange" like they're
> corking a bottle. The label contains the content: once applied to a
> movie (or anything else), they no longer have to think about it. And an
> idea doesn't have to veer far from the beaten path to be considered
> "strange." In actuality, everything is strange when seen in the right
> light. Strangeness should signal the desire for closer scrutiny, rather
> than knee-jerk pigeonholing.

Precisely, and that there are these ambiguous controls placed on the

Treeclimbr

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>
>A list that doesn't mention Shanks should hardly count.
>

Mayor Tommy Shanks? The guy who
is mayor of Mellonville? I didn't
know he made movies!

Larry Anderson

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What about Dr. Caligari?

Sure fits into this newsgroup list...

and Carnival of Souls?


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Paul D. Crittenden

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Has anyone mentioned Meet the Feebles yet? Quite a strange movie. Unless,
of course, you're used to Muppets on crack.

Paul


AJM

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Jun 6, 2001, 5:49:30 PM6/6/01
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I've only seen "50-Foot Woman," "Naked Lunch," NBK, and the two you
suggested ("Being John Malkovich" and "Pi"). I actually liked "Pi."

My contribution: "The Cube."


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>:
>:

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Parry

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It’s nice someone got something out of that movie but it’s still one of
the most disheartening movie experiences I ever had. The swiftness of
the executions was one of the things I found irksome. For instance,
Nicholson getting offed before he had any good scenes. Seemed like a
terrific waste and missed opportunity. Combining Burton, Nicholson and
the ultraviolent Topps cards should have been a no-brainer, but there
was a corporate stink to the film. Why all those pointless characters
and sub-plots? Probably just to feed the spin-off industry of “Mars
Attacks” novels. Best one should stick to the original Topps:
“unspeakable experiments,” “blasted into oblivion, “naked and the
dead”...

Parry

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john adams wrote:
>
> "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message news:3B1D4B...@perfectOMITmail.com...
> > john adams wrote:
> > >
> > > "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > > > > And of course The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.,
> > > >
> > > > That's one fine movie.
> > >
> > > I underestimate your tastes (or lack of) parry.
> >
> > I'm not sure if you mean you overestimated my taste or underestimated my
> > lack of taste, but I'll take it as a compliment either way.
>
> I think I was trying to indicate, in one lazy maneuver, that either your tastes
> were bad to embrace the movie, or by contrast highly polished to
> embrace the "so bad it's good" aspects of the film. On one hand you have to respect
> the unique cultural perspectives and psychological mechanisms behind
> such works, and then secondly, the rational defying leaps and bounds these
> attempts often make, and in particular the conflict of man vs. old world susperstitions
> of nature, placed against the back drop of an otherworldly quasi sci-fi continuum.
> So at once, we are forced to ask ourselves how could they have been so badly
> created ,and simultaneously could they, in all honesty, have been made any better?
> More study is certainly needed at the the university level.

And don’t forget Raquel Welch.


> > > > "Planet of the Apes" depicts a strange world. The Apes series is strange
> > > > for its plummeting production values and its disregard for plot
> > > > continuity. The original "Planet of the Apes" was a satire on religious
> > > > fundamentalism; the remake will be strange if it downplays this aspect
> > > > of the story.
> > >
> > > I haven't heard much about it, only saw a few trailer images, but with
> > > tim burton working it it may have something interesting or imaginitive,
> > > to offer in the way sleepyhollow or some of his others were effective at
> > > drawing up dark peculiar realms. I won't speculate on plot values for now.
> >
> > The movie sounds promising, but so did "Mars Attacks" and I thought that
> > was one of the worst films I'd ever seen. Its badness actually depressed
> > me, particularly because it came right after his best movie, "Ed Wood."
> > The original "Apes" was such a sunny movie; I wonder how it will filter
> > through Burton's dark lugubrious style.
>
> I can't say that I hated Mars Attacks, myself. But I am not going out to buy
> the video anytime soon nor anticipating catching it again on tv. To me it was
> slightly better than the Batman episodes, which aren't too worth mentioning btw.

Actually, “Batman” was blacked out of my memory until you brought it up.

> >You're nominated to review the thing when it comes out.
>
> Gee, what an honor; I, in turn then, nominate you to review Kiss of
> the Dragon, coming to theaters near you in July as well, one of
> the only new releases I am aware of at the moment. Prepare your
> writing pens soon.

I think I got the soggier end of the deal here, but I guess I deserve
it. Besson’s done some good stuff, though, so it shouldn’t be too hard
to watch.

Thaddeus Waxglop

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bennet_john_earl wrote:
>
> Oh yeah, and this isnt really bennet earl (my hick cousin from
> up north). I forgot to alter the sig. name after signing up here
> a while back to initiate a test post as the site seemed to still
> be in the implementing barely working phases. No offense
> bennet earl john.

I’m afraid you are in violation of the Assumed Identities Proscription
of the 1998 Universal Telecommunications Act. Please report to the town
square at 8 a.m. tomorrow for a sound flogging. You will spend the day
in the stocks, so you may want to bring your Walkman or something to
read.

Dale Houstman

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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B1F08...@perfectOMITmail.com...

Well: it ain't Citizen Kane I'ff grant you that, but - for me - the loose
jointedness and anarchistic rhythm of the film was sort of the point. As for
Nicholson being given a chance to have a good scene; well, the movie isn't
really about start turns, it's barely about humans except as victims of
unthinking aggression, and - frankly - I think Jack's star has dimmed
considerably over the years. He just seems to get broader and broader, so it
seems the hysteria of "Mars Attacks" is just about right for him. But he
does play at least two roles in the flim, and - as I recall - gets fair
amount of air time considering the ensemble cast, so I don't quite see as
like you do in this regard. But it is strange how contrary a reaction two (I
assume?) relatively intelligent people can get from the same film: far from
"disheartening" I found the random and pointless massacre of every form of
authority and "goodness" to be downright cathartic. Besides this outstanding
feature, there are more than enough startling images to quite sell the film
to me: the parade of burning cows, being chased down the country road by a
neat robot, the very disturbing female assassin-on-tracks in the White
House. I don't know: I liked it immensely. So sue me...

dmh

John Smith

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> I've only seen "50-Foot Woman," "Naked Lunch," NBK, and the two you
> suggested ("Being John Malkovich" and "Pi"). I actually liked "Pi."
>
> My contribution: "The Cube."
>
"Dark City" anyone?


john adams

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Jun 7, 2001, 6:57:00 PM6/7/01
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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message

> I think I got the soggier end of the deal here, but I guess I deserve


> it. Besson's done some good stuff, though, so it shouldn't be too hard
> to watch.
>

Soggier eh? I don't know, but I should expect your review to be explicitly
created in accordance with a certain high-charged action, perhaps briefly
touching upon an interrelationshiop of Surrealism and Columbus if
applicable.

john


piggy steinliver

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Jun 7, 2001, 7:23:34 PM6/7/01
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"Thaddeus Waxglop" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message

>
> I'm afraid you are in violation of the Assumed Identities Proscription
> of the 1998 Universal Telecommunications Act. Please report to the town
> square at 8 a.m. tomorrow for a sound flogging. You will spend the day
> in the stocks, so you may want to bring your Walkman or something to
> read.
>

Yes, I see what you mean. I'll be sure to arrive ontime in my buttergown,
in order to ease the striking of blows, as I usually do under these
little inconvenient town circumstances/hearings. At 8 a.m., tomorrow, I will
arrive ready to be flogged, although unlike I just said, dressed as a horse wearing
human leatherings and bomber goggles.

thank you surely,
piggy s.


spliffsplaff

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Jun 8, 2001, 6:02:33 AM6/8/01
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Chronologically:

Un Chien Andalou (1928)


Spellbound (1945)
The Flying Serpent (1946)
The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)

Glen or Glenda (1953)


Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
The Killer Shrews (1959)
The Living Head (1959)
The Tingler (1959)
The Mask (1961)
The Brainiac (1961)
The Snake People (1968)

Planet of the Apes (1968)
Performance (1969)
The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1970)


200 Motels (1971)
Space Is The Place (1974)

Shaggy D.A. (1976)


Eraserhead (1977)
The Manitou (1978)
Altered States (1980)

The Ninth Configuration (1980)
Yor, the Hunter from the Future (1982)


Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
Naked Lunch (1991)
Fire Walk with Me (1992)

Tetsuo: The Iron Man (1992)


The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.

I like to add :
Stranger Then Paradise (1984)
Sweet Sweetbacks Badasssss Song (1971)
(blaxploitation movie with funky music, and a story about a guy who's
magically good at making love. At a certain point this protagonist finds
himself in a white-trash-gang with a female leader. He has to choose his
weapen to fight her. He chooses sex and wins. Wonderfull, I think,
especially because the gang accepts his choice of "weapon" AND the
outcome...)
Thundercrack! (1975)
(a black and white porn-movie with strange atmosphere and wicked humor, not
really a turn on, but really special)

*Richie*

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Jun 8, 2001, 6:32:10 AM6/8/01
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Gummo
La Cabina
Le Ballon Rouge
Freaks
La Cite Des Enfants Perdus (my fave film of all time!)
Delicatessen


spliffsplaff

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Jun 8, 2001, 8:46:09 AM6/8/01
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I collected the posted movies (so we know what to view the coming months) :

maybe we could search for strange movies in the missing years?
So this becomes "The Century Of Strangness in Movies"

Chronologically:

Un Chien Andalou (1928)
Freaks (1932)


Spellbound (1945)
The Flying Serpent (1946)
The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)

Glen or Glenda (1953)
Le Ballon Rouge (1956)


Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
The Killer Shrews (1959)
The Living Head (1959)
The Tingler (1959)
The Mask (1961)
The Brainiac (1961)
The Snake People (1968)

Planet of the Apes (1968)
Performance (1969)
The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1970)
200 Motels (1971)

Sweet Sweetbacks Badasssss Song (1971)

La Cabina (1972)


Space Is The Place (1974)

Thundercrack! (1975)
Shaggy D.A. (1976)


Eraserhead (1977)
The Manitou (1978)
Altered States (1980)

The Ninth Configuration (1980)
Yor, the Hunter from the Future (1982)
Koyaanisqatsi (1983)

Stranger Then Paradise (1984)
Naked Lunch (1991)
Delicatessen (1991)


Fire Walk with Me (1992)

Tetsuo: The Iron Man (1992)

La Cite Des Enfants Perdus (1995)
Gummo (1997)

The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C. (What year??)

spliffsplaff

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Jun 8, 2001, 10:40:50 AM6/8/01
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This are early movies, somebody has seen any of 'm?

Animation, the Beginning, 1906-27
Humorous phases of funny faces / J. Stuart Blackton (4 min.) -- La ratelier
; Fantasmagoria ; Mobiliu fedele / Emil Cohl (8 min.) -- Little Nemo /
Winsor McCay (8 min.) --Revenge of the kinematograph cameraman / Ladis
Starevich (9 min.) -- Professor Bonehead is shipwrecked / Emil Cohl (5
min.) -- Gertie the dinosaur / Winsor McCay (8 min.) -- Dinosaur and the
missing link / Willis O'Brien (6 min.) -- Sinking of the Lusitannia / Winsor
McCay (6 min.) -- Bobby Bumps puts a beanery on the bum / John Bray, Earl
Hurd Bray (5 min.) -- Out of the inkwell : perpetual motion / Max Fleischer
(5 min.) -- Modelling : Koko the clown ; Bubbles / Max Fleischer (12
min.) -- Laugh-o-grams ; Puss-n-boots / Walt Disney (11 min.) -- Alice on
the farm / Walt Disney (7 min.) -- Small town sheriff / Paul Terry (5
min.) -- Felix in Hollywood / Pat Sullivan (7 min.) -- Oswald and the
mechanical cow / Walt Disney (6 min.). 999:518
spliffsplaff wrote in message ...

greg

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Jun 8, 2001, 11:16:53 AM6/8/01
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what? no John Waters films? ...at *least* Desperate Living!


In article <lO3U6.19536$mR5.1...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>, "spliffsplaff"
says...

Parry

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Dale Houstman wrote:
> "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3B1F08...@perfectOMITmail.com...

> > It's nice someone got something out of that movie but it's still one of
> > the most disheartening movie experiences I ever had. The swiftness of
> > the executions was one of the things I found irksome. For instance,
> > Nicholson getting offed before he had any good scenes. Seemed like a
> > terrific waste and missed opportunity. Combining Burton, Nicholson and
> > the ultraviolent Topps cards should have been a no-brainer, but there
> > was a corporate stink to the film. Why all those pointless characters
> > and sub-plots? Probably just to feed the spin-off industry of "Mars
> > Attacks" novels. Best one should stick to the original Topps:
> > "unspeakable experiments," "blasted into oblivion, "naked and the
> > dead"...
>
> Well: it ain't Citizen Kane I'ff grant you that, but - for me - the loose
> jointedness and anarchistic rhythm of the film was sort of the point. As for
> Nicholson being given a chance to have a good scene; well, the movie isn't
> really about start turns, it's barely about humans except as victims of
> unthinking aggression, and - frankly - I think Jack's star has dimmed
> considerably over the years. He just seems to get broader and broader, so it
> seems the hysteria of "Mars Attacks" is just about right for him. But he
> does play at least two roles in the flim, and - as I recall - gets fair
> amount of air time considering the ensemble cast, so I don't quite see as
> like you do in this regard. But it is strange how contrary a reaction two (I
> assume?)

Most definitely two.


> relatively intelligent people can get from the same film:

What’s sort of funny to me is that where there’s general accord on the
usual hot buttons -- say politics, religion, capitalism -- we have to
resort to picking apart particular films just to get an argument going.
Perhaps in a better future no one will care about waterfront property in
the MidEast and Jews and Arabs will have to kill themselves over debates
about the lost art of misé en scene.


> far from
> "disheartening" I found the random and pointless massacre of every form of
> authority and "goodness" to be downright cathartic. Besides this outstanding
> feature, there are more than enough startling images to quite sell the film
> to me: the parade of burning cows, being chased down the country road by a
> neat robot, the very disturbing female assassin-on-tracks in the White
> House. I don't know: I liked it immensely. So sue me...

The firm of Hagood, Hardy and Charnelhouse
representing
Sensible Moviegoers Everywhere
Plaintiffs,

VS.

Dale Houstman
Defendant,

Case No. 082-7826
Division 1
Jury Trial Requested

PETITION
FACTS

Comes now Plaintiff Sensible Moviegoers Everywhere, some of whom are
minors, by and through their representative the firm of Hagood, Hardy
and Charnelhouse, and for their cause of action against defendant
states:

1. That the acts and omissions herein occurred on an internationally
open-access usenet forum.

2. That the defendant Dale Houstman is an individual, that his acts and
omissions were performed on his individual behalf, and as the agent,
servant and employee of Minnesota Surrealists.

3. That on or about the 7th day of June, 2001 the defendant displayed
wanton and reckless disregard in failing to acknowledge the badness of
the motion picture turkey “Mars Attacks”

4. That punitive damages are necessary in order to punish defendant, and
to deter him and others similarly situated from committing similar acts
in the future.

WHEREFORE, the plaintiffs demand judgment against the defendant in
proportions deemed suitably unreasonable and excessive. The plaintiffs
demand the following remedies be immediately ordered:

Written and signed public admission from the defendant that once you’ve
seen one Martian go splat, you’ve seen them all go splat.

2 sacks of potatoes will be paid by the defendant to each plaintiff on
demand. Good white P.E.I. or Idaho ones, not those crummy red table
potatoes.

The defendant will spend three weeks community service polishing the
Pope’s humpback.

The defendant will work as a movie projectionist for multiple screenings
of “Pearl Harbor” in Veterans’ Homes. After each showing, he will
politely listen to the vets’ war stories without arguing the attack
wasn’t really a “surprise” and without mentioning the A-bomb.

The defendant will pay $5 billion of his own money to finance an
interplanetary mission to attach a Jerry Colonna moustache to the face
on Mars.

Degten

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Jun 8, 2001, 10:27:45 PM6/8/01
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Totally agree on La Cabina...what an internal logic to it!

Dale Houstman

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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B214F...@perfectOMITmail.com...

> Dale Houstman wrote:
> > "Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3B1F08...@perfectOMITmail.com...
> > > It's nice someone got something out of that movie but it's still one
of
> > > the most disheartening movie experiences I ever had. The swiftness of
> > > the executions was one of the things I found irksome. For instance,
> > > Nicholson getting offed before he had any good scenes. Seemed like a
> > > terrific waste and missed opportunity. Combining Burton, Nicholson and
> > > the ultraviolent Topps cards should have been a no-brainer, but there
> > > was a corporate stink to the film. Why all those pointless characters
> > > and sub-plots? Probably just to feed the spin-off industry of "Mars
> > > Attacks" novels. Best one should stick to the original Topps:
> > > "unspeakable experiments," "blasted into oblivion, "naked and the
> > > dead"...
> >
> > Well: it ain't Citizen Kane I'ff grant you that, but - for me - the
loose
> > jointedness and anarchistic rhythm of the film was sort of the point. As
for
> > Nicholson being given a chance to have a good scene; well, the movie
isn't
> > really about star turns, it's barely about humans except as victims of

> > unthinking aggression, and - frankly - I think Jack's star has dimmed
> > considerably over the years. He just seems to get broader and broader,
so it
> > seems the hysteria of "Mars Attacks" is just about right for him. But he
> > does play at least two roles in the flim, and - as I recall - gets fair
> > amount of air time considering the ensemble cast, so I don't quite see
as
> > like you do in this regard. But it is strange how contrary a reaction
two (I
> > assume?)
>
> Most definitely two.

Heh! I think I meant two relatively intelligent (I assume?) people. But then
again how do I know that you don't have two heads and a doppleganger?


>
>
> > relatively intelligent people can get from the same film:
>
> What's sort of funny to me is that where there's general accord on the
> usual hot buttons -- say politics, religion, capitalism -- we have to
> resort to picking apart particular films just to get an argument going.
> Perhaps in a better future no one will care about waterfront property in
> the MidEast and Jews and Arabs will have to kill themselves over debates
> about the lost art of misé en scene.

I doubt this, don't you? Since the unrest is based in religious dogma, I
can't see an end to it short of total annihilation unfortunately. Also -
while we're on the subject - could you stop building huts in my backyard.
According to the Mormon Bible (and a 1955 issue of Popular Mechanics) that
land belongs to me because a god named Mort gave it to me after my tribe
spent 40 years lost in a SuperValue produce section.

"Employee"? I gotta ask Barrett for a raise, or at least a decent sick day
policy. I'm missing a beat there.


>
> 3. That on or about the 7th day of June, 2001 the defendant displayed
> wanton and reckless disregard in failing to acknowledge the badness of
> the motion picture turkey "Mars Attacks"
>
> 4. That punitive damages are necessary in order to punish defendant, and
> to deter him and others similarly situated from committing similar acts
> in the future.
>
> WHEREFORE, the plaintiffs demand judgment against the defendant in
> proportions deemed suitably unreasonable and excessive. The plaintiffs
> demand the following remedies be immediately ordered:
>
> Written and signed public admission from the defendant that once you've
> seen one Martian go splat, you've seen them all go splat.

They's heads blewed up! I like it when they's heads blowed up.


>
> 2 sacks of potatoes will be paid by the defendant to each plaintiff on
> demand. Good white P.E.I. or Idaho ones, not those crummy red table
> potatoes.

I'm going to have to move under dark of night to some distant locale.


>
> The defendant will spend three weeks community service polishing the
> Pope's humpback.
>

I'd rather pistol whip his demented head, but whatever you say. Youse the
law.

> The defendant will work as a movie projectionist for multiple screenings
> of "Pearl Harbor" in Veterans' Homes.

Oh gawd no.

> After each showing, he will
> politely listen to the vets' war stories without arguing the attack
> wasn't really a "surprise" and without mentioning the A-bomb.

Never mention that. It didn't really happen.


>
> The defendant will pay $5 billion of his own money to finance an
> interplanetary mission to attach a Jerry Colonna moustache to the face
> on Mars.

It will be a trip taken in small installments. We can do a little R&D for
this mission by sending a team (or a robot monkey) to give George F. Will an
upper lip. I think the technology's already in place, and has been
unsuccessfully used in an attempt to give Tom Brokaw a personality, and to
make Joan Rivers look less like Medusa's pet horse.

dmh


AKieswetter

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"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message news:<th500aj...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Chronologically:

>
> Spellbound (1945)
> The Flying Serpent (1946)
> The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)
> Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
> The Killer Shrews (1959)
> The Living Head (1959)
> The Tingler (1959)
> The Mask (1961)
> The Brainiac (1961)
> The Snake People (1968)
> Performance (1969)
> 200 Motels (1971)
> Space Is The Place (1974)
> Eraserhead (1977)
> The Manitou (1978)
> Altered States (1980)
> Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
> Naked Lunch (1991)

> Fire Walk with Me (1992)
> Natural Born Killers (1994)
>
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Writer/Composer/Cultural Historian/Photographer
>
> Now Available:
> Owls In Obsidian (Instrumental CD)
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What about;

Head(1968)
Skidoo(1968)
Brewster McCloud(1970)
3 Women(1977).

AP Kieswetter.

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GC

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Jun 9, 2001, 1:22:44 PM6/9/01
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Two strange American films I don't think have been mentioned:

NOTHING LASTS FOREVER - you'd think they were making it up as they went
along if they obviously hadn't gone to so much trouble.

MOTORAMA - worth seeing for the bit with Jack Nance.

Marc and/or Teresa Sparks

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Jun 10, 2001, 1:24:42 AM6/10/01
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:59:54 -0500, "Dale Houstman"
<dm...@citilink.com> wrote:

>Although I agree "Mars Attacks" is no "Ed Wood" I think it's a rather
>enjoyable homage to the simple anarchy of Harryhausen films. It's hard to
>totally dislike a film in which the Colin Powell character gets wiped out so
>quickly. As for any problems with the production, we might blame it on the
>usual corporate stupidity: Tim Burton didn't want to release it so soon, and
>told the executives who were pushing him for an early release that it wasn't
>finished. After they persisted in bugging him he finally just tossed in the
>towel and let them have it. Still, I like it's obsessive destruction of
>everything "good."

I didn't fully appreciate it until the scene towards the end when the
president gives the big "can't we all just get along" speech. Then I
fully understood the viewpoint of the film...cheerfully nihilistic.
Only Burton could pull that paradox off. It's certainly not one of his
best, but it's still better than 80% of the dreck that comes out of
hollywood.

Treeclimbr

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Jun 10, 2001, 2:21:28 AM6/10/01
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I just got done watching
"Can Dialectics Break Bricks"by Rene
Vineet
It's a Situationalists International
movie, done one year after the
disbanding of the movement, but
using the same techniques and
ideas. They took a Chinese
martial arts movie and simply
overdubbed all the dialog. Pretty
funny.

keav...@elmer4.bobst.nyu.edu

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TITLE :Entr'acte [videorecording] / [present par] les Ballets suedois
de Rolf de Mare ; scenario de Francis Picabia ; adapte et
realise par Rene Clair.
PUBLISHER :Chico, Calif. : Tamarelle's French Film House ; New York : New
Video [distributor : 1985?]
DESCRIPTION :1 videocassette (54 min.) : si., b&w ; 1/2 in.
OTHER AUTHOR(S) :Berliet, J.
Auric, Georges, 1899-
Ray, Man, 1890-1976.
Duchamp, Marcel, 1887-1968.
Satie, Erik, 1866-1925.
Borlin, Jean.
Mare, Rolf de
Picabia, Francis, 1879-1953.
Clair, Rene, 1898-
:New Video (Firm)
Ballets suedois.
:Tamarelle's French Film House.
OTHER TITLE(S) :A propos de Nice.
Chien andalou.
CONTENTS :Pt. 1. Le Chien andalou (16 min.) -- pt. 2 Entr'acte (18 min.)
-- pt. 3. A Propos de Nice (20 min.)
NOTE :Silent film with added musical soundtrack.
Title from data sheet.
Originally produced as silent motion picture in 1924.
A foreign film (France)
VHS.
NOTE :With: Le chien andalou - A propos de Nice.
SUMMARY :A dada-surreal film produced during the avant-garde film
movement of the 1920's. Inanimate objects start to have a will
of their own: a hearse drawn by a camel takes off on a chase
in a typical scene from this film. Conceived by the
iconoclastic poet and painter Francis PIcabia to fill a
fifteen-minute intermission between two acts of the Dada
SUMMARY :ballet Relache.
CREDITS :Photography, J. Berliet; music, Erik Satie.
PERFORMER NOTES :Jean Borlin, Erik Satie, Marcel Duchamp, Man Ray, Georges
Auric.
SUBJECT(S) :Silent films
Motion pictures, French
Short films
Surrealism in motion pictures
Experimental films


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A fun film with the slightest taste of cheese.

TITLE :8 x 8 [videorecording] : a chess-sonata in 8 movements / by
Hans Richter ; in cooperation with Jean Arp ... [et al.] ; Art
of This Century Films presents.
ALTERNATE TITLE :At beginning of film: Improvisations on chess
Eight by eight
Eight times eight
Chess-sonata in 8 movements
PUBLISHER :[New York, NY] : Arthouse, Inc., 1998.
DESCRIPTION :1 videocassette (70 min.) : sd., col. ; 1/2 in.
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Eagle ; sound direction, Hans Richter ; lyrics, John Latouche
; sung by Oscar Brand.
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Richard Huelsenbeck, Alexander Calder, Jean Cocteau, Willem de
Vogel, Dorothea and Max Ernst, Paul Bowles, Frederic Kiesler,
Ceal Bryson, Eugene Pellegrini and Marcel Duchamp.
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In article <Zo1U6.19380$mR5.1...@afrodite.telenet-ops.be> "spliffsplaff"
<jonatha...@hotmail.com> writes:>From: "spliffsplaff"
<jonatha...@hotmail.com>>Subject: Re: Twenty Strangest Movies ?
>Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:02:33 GMT

>Chronologically:

>Un Chien Andalou (1928)


>Spellbound (1945)
>The Flying Serpent (1946)
>The Mesa Of Lost Women (1953)

>Glen or Glenda (1953)


>Attack Of The Fifty-Foot Woman (1958)
>The Killer Shrews (1959)
>The Living Head (1959)
>The Tingler (1959)
>The Mask (1961)
>The Brainiac (1961)
>The Snake People (1968)

>Planet of the Apes (1968)
>Performance (1969)
>The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1970)

>200 Motels (1971)
>Space Is The Place (1974)

>Shaggy D.A. (1976)


>Eraserhead (1977)
>The Manitou (1978)
>Altered States (1980)

>The Ninth Configuration (1980)
>Yor, the Hunter from the Future (1982)

>Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
>Naked Lunch (1991)
>Fire Walk with Me (1992)

>Tetsuo: The Iron Man (1992)

>The Land Time Forgot, One Million Years B.C.

>I like to add :
>Stranger Then Paradise (1984)


>Sweet Sweetbacks Badasssss Song (1971)

Paul L. Madarasz

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Surprised no one mentioned James Blair's "Wax: or the Discovery of
Television Among the Bees," with supporting players Wm Burroughs and
Clyde Tombaugh. Now *that's* weird!
--
Paul L. Madarasz
Tucson, Baja Arizona

AKieswetter

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>
>
> How about Conrad Rooks' CHAPPAQUA(sic) with WS Burroughs and Alan Ginsberg?

I haven't seen it but its pretty strange from what I've heard.

ZACHERIAH(George Englund,1971)-With a young Don Johnson and Country
Joe & the Fish. A bizarre and anachronistic hippie Western.

A.Kieswetter.

apkies...@hotmail.com

Millie James

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Another one would be "The Tin Drum" about a kid named Oskar. He fell on
his head and stopped growing. There's a lady who loved to eat herring
... lots of herring. Shockingly funny in spots. Mostly bizarre ... makes
you wonder about reality ... or - worse - the reality of reality.

_ _ _ _ _
~ Millie ma...@eagle.ptialaska.net

Michael Polischuk

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> > Don't forget El Topo, The Holy Mountain, Santa Sangre (all Jodorowsky),
and,
> > of course Argento's Deep Red, Stendhal Syndrome, Tenebre, Creepers,
> > Suspiria, etc.
>
> I don't know that these titles fit in the poster's original list, for
> which the idea of "strange" is not a far throw from "crappy."
>


I'm not sure, but it seams to me that nobody has mentioned Peter Greenway,
one of the most original british directors, whose unique, <surreal> style,
can't be doubted
Movies like: "Zed and 2 Noughts", "The Falls" and others


CultCuts

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Millie James wrote:

> Another one would be "The Tin Drum" about a kid named Oskar. He fell on
> his head and stopped growing. There's a lady who loved to eat herring
> ... lots of herring. Shockingly funny in spots. Mostly bizarre ... makes
> you wonder about reality ... or - worse - the reality of reality.
>

Excellent movie based on the novel by Gunter Grass. Very disturbing film
which really needs a DVD release. I was surprised that it was actually made
in Germany. I know the novel originated from there and Grass is well known
world wide, but considering the back lash that The Nasty Girl (not porn, but
a serious drama about Nazi Germany) but it definitely doesn't show the
German's in the best of light. A surreal satire of one of Germany's darkest
periods in history.
Mark
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Stephen Cooke

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, CultCuts wrote:

> Millie James wrote:
>
> > Another one would be "The Tin Drum" about a kid named Oskar. He fell on
> > his head and stopped growing. There's a lady who loved to eat herring
> > ... lots of herring. Shockingly funny in spots. Mostly bizarre ... makes
> > you wonder about reality ... or - worse - the reality of reality.
> >
>
> Excellent movie based on the novel by Gunter Grass. Very disturbing film
> which really needs a DVD release.

It's out on DVD...through Kino Video.

Stephen

elag

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Return to Reason - Man Ray (1923, 3 minutes) Moving Ray-o-grams...

Anemic cinema (1926) Birth of Conceptual Cinema...

Early Abstractions - Harry Smith (1939-1956, 23 min.) Anything by Smith
is worth a look.

Meshes of the Afternoon - Maya Deren (1943, 45 min) Destroys the
boundaries between dream and reality.

A Study in Choreography for Camera - Maya Deren (1945, 14 min.) Dances
across the boundaries between space and time.

In The Street - Helen Levitt (1944, 15 min.) Captures the teeming
parade of humanity along East 103rd Street in New York.

Motion Painting No. 1 - Oskar Fischinger (1947) About "abstraction".

Mothlight - Stan brakhage (1963, 4 min.) Film made w/o a camera.

Nymphlight - Joseph Cornell (1957, 7 min) Anything by Cornell will do in
a pinch.

Rythmetic - Evelyn Lambart, Norman McLaren (1956, 9 min.) Digits meet
in playful encounter, add and subtract, jostle, attack, and elude one another.

Pull My Daisy Robert Frank, Alfred Leslie (1958, 30 min.) "The first
truly beat film".

Last Year at Marienbad - Alain Resnais (1961, 94 mins) Unsettling study
of time space & memory.

Castro Street - Bruce Baillie (1966, 10 min.) Riff on Erik Satie, set
along a street in Richmond, California.

Wavelength - Michael Snow (1967 45 min.) Consists of one 45 minute zoom
in... more enthralling than it might sound.

Salesman - Albert Maysles, David Maysles (1969, 85 min.) Pushes "cinema
verite" about as far as it will go.

Remedial Reading Comprehension - George Landow (1970, 5 min.) "This film
is not about its maker". Beginning of structuralist cinema.

FRANK FILM - Frank Mouris (1973, 9 minutes) Classic collage film.

Phantom of Liberty - Luis Bunuel (1974, 104 minutes) Frees film from the
shackles of the "plot".

Quest for Fire - Jean-Jacques Annaud (1981, 100 min.) A Feature Film
about prehistoric man shot with sound but without (understandable)
dialogue. In essence a "silent" film.

Loose Corner - Anita Thacher (1986, 10 min.) Examination of changing
perceptions of space.

Matthew Montchalin

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Is it called http://www.kinovideo ??

CultCuts

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Stephen Cooke wrote:

Thanks. Did not know this.

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Wayney

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I completely concur with you about Peter Greenaway. The Falls, A Zed & Two Noughts and Drowning by Numbers do have some surrealist concerns; even though Greenaway won't admit to it, he does have a surrealist zest in some of his films.
 
 

 
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David Munn

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One that I would add, though it is rarely seen these days is "Sir Henry at
Rawlinson's End" (1980).

The eccentric English peer, Sir Henry Rawlinson, lives at his ancestral
home with Old Scrotum, his wrinkled retainer. He captured a couple of
German's during the war and keeps them as pets in his own P.O.W. camp in
his backyard. In between perusing nudist magazines they make half-hearted
escape attempts which he foils. His ancestral home is haunted by the ghost
of his brother Humbert who cannot rest because he died without his
trousers on. The plot centres on Sir Henry's attempts to trouser the
ghost. This strange low-budget black and white film was written by Vivian
Stanshall from the Bonzo Dog Band, and features a standout performance by
Trevor Howard in the part of Sir Henry. The scene in which he appears in
blackface wearing a tutu and riding a unicycle has to be seen to be
believed.

Other possibilities would be "Macunaima" (1969), in which a man is born as
an adult, another pretends to eat his own testicles and lots of people get
thrown into a swimming pool full of pirahnas, Jodorowsky's "The Holy
Mountain" (1975), full of bizarre imagery including crucified sides of
lamb, "God Told Me Too" (1977), with a series of mass murders being
ordered by an extraterrestrial posing as Christ, and "Sweet Movie" (1974),
with its beauty contest with public virginity test, a millionaire with a
gold painted phallus, a woman being "posted" in a suitcase, and an "orgy"
of public vomiting and defecation.

Aussiescribbler

(Check out my movie reviews and other writing at
http://www.writtenbyme.com/member/aussiescribbler)

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A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.

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Sorry to cut in, but no strange movie list is complete without "Taoism
Drunkard" (~1983). If you fail to believe me, check out the mpg clip of
the "watermelon" monster at:

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/dwutang/index.html


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bobdiscount

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After Hours
Doom Generation
Fire Sale
Parents
Eating Raoul
Dark Backward
Meet the Hollowheads

Kate

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Eraserhead
12 Monkeys
Reefer Madness
Seven
Beetlejuice
Edward Scissorhands
One Night on Earth
Freaks
M
Dreams

--
Kate


Jeff Coleman

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Doom Generation's pretty strange, but for Greg Araki I figure Nowhere takes
the cake...

Jeff


Vicki

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Here's one to add to the list. "Liquid Sky"

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Roman

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Kate wrote:

>Eraserhead
>12 Monkeys
>Reefer Madness
>Seven
>Beetlejuice
>Edward Scissorhands
>One Night on Earth
>Freaks
>M
>Dreams

The Ninth Configuration
Island of Death (Nico Mastorakis)
Sweet Movie
Blue Movie
Rat Pfink a Boo Boo
Exorcist II: The Heretic
Night of the Zombies (Joel Reed)
Phantasm
The Fury
Raising Cain
Performance
Don't Look Now
+ most Bunuel, Muehl/Kren, Cronenberg, some Fulci, some Argento...

townes d wombat

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On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:02:42 +0900, dav...@ozemail.com.au (David Munn)
wrote:

>One that I would add, though it is rarely seen these days is "Sir Henry at
>Rawlinson's End" (1980).
>

snip

Unknown to you all, pardon the butt in.

I was lurking and wondering the Bonzo' rated in the surrealist stakes ?
Synchronicity if it had been six days ago.

I loved SH@RE. Fabulous movie.

In a somewhat similar vein of farce though admittedly more main stream
how about "The Ruling Class" starring Peter O'Toole. Inspired insanity.


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townes d wombat wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:02:42 +0900, dav...@ozemail.com.au (David Munn)
> wrote:
>
> >One that I would add, though it is rarely seen these days is "Sir Henry at
> >Rawlinson's End" (1980).
> >
> snip
>
> Unknown to you all, pardon the butt in.
>
> I was lurking and wondering the Bonzo' rated in the surrealist stakes ?
> Synchronicity if it had been six days ago.

This is actually a slippery question. Probably alone among the popular
arts, surrealists have reserved a special neglect for popular music. The
only bits I recall reading have been derisive. It may be a different
situation in Europe, though.

But it seems everyone who posts to this newsgroup is a fan of rock
music, and I think the Bonzos should be of primary consideration.
Stanshall’s absurdism, Spear’s anarchy, Innes’ more conventional social
satire, and their collective inventiveness conspired to rebel against
the drudgery that passes for normalcy. Haven’t seen the “Sir Henry”
movie, and wonder how it could compete with the rich prose on
Stanshall’s first Rawlinson album.


> I loved SH@RE. Fabulous movie.

What’s “Sh@re”? I searched the IMDb and up came the title “Sh! The
Octopus” (1937).

-- Parry

> In a somewhat similar vein of farce though admittedly more main stream
> how about "The Ruling Class" starring Peter O'Toole. Inspired insanity.

Tom Keener

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:44:27 GMT, townes42...@hotmail.com (townes
d wombat) wrote:

>In a somewhat similar vein of farce though admittedly more main stream
>how about "The Ruling Class" starring Peter O'Toole. Inspired insanity.

A question: Did the 12th Earl of Gurney commit suicide, or did the
chair tip over by accident? AIR, it seemed ambiguous.

Also, I was disappointed when it changed from farce to black humor
halfway through. Too much of a mood shift for me.

Tom Keener
keensurf_at_cts_dot_com

Roman

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I forgot to add one of my favorite strange movies of all-time: Possession.


townes d wombat

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snip

>This is actually a slippery question. Probably alone among the popular
>arts, surrealists have reserved a special neglect for popular music. The
>only bits I recall reading have been derisive. It may be a different
>situation in Europe, though.

The Bonzos would seemingly be more apt to a British audience so you may
well be correct.

>
>But it seems everyone who posts to this newsgroup is a fan of rock
>music, and I think the Bonzos should be of primary consideration.
>Stanshall’s absurdism, Spear’s anarchy, Innes’ more conventional social
>satire, and their collective inventiveness conspired to rebel against
>the drudgery that passes for normalcy. Haven’t seen the “Sir Henry”
>movie, and wonder how it could compete with the rich prose on
>Stanshall’s first Rawlinson album.

If this is an example of it....

Wistful and lovely are walls with wisteria
Clematis clambers on time-pocked walls white
Stranger than larkspur or lupin, hydrangea
Hydra-head mother-in-law's tongue, tied, fancy flight

.....then it's from the movie. I'd point you to

http://bridge.anglia.ac.uk/~systimk/music/Bonzos/Tracks/Share-Album.Htmlx

for more of the same.

The Bonzos were out there on a planet all their own, though (and
admittedly in a musical vein) you can see infuences from and too Peter
Cook and Dudley Moore, notably the Pete and Dud stuff, and of course the
Pythons. Innes (at least I think it was Innis) doing Urban Spaceman and
It's good to be an idiot on the Pythons Live at the Hollywood Bowl
(still available I'm sure) would give those who didn't know the Bonzos
an idea of what it was about and I'd recommend The Best of the Bonzos
Double Album as a good place to start. If not still on release in the US
you could definitely pick it up from England.

For more of the Bonzos try

http://www.neilinnes.org/bonzo.htm

>
>
>> I loved SH@RE. Fabulous movie.
>
>What’s “Sh@re”? I searched the IMDb and up came the title “Sh! The
>Octopus” (1937).

(S)ir (H)enry (at) (R)awlinsons (E)nd

>
>-- Parry

PS - my apologies for the cross posting. I picked up this thread in
alt.surrealism but don't know if the replies came from there or one of
the movie groups.


>
>> In a somewhat similar vein of farce though admittedly more main stream
>> how about "The Ruling Class" starring Peter O'Toole. Inspired insanity.
>
>
>
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:06:47 GMT, keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part
(Tom Keener) wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:44:27 GMT, townes42...@hotmail.com (townes
>d wombat) wrote:
>
>>In a somewhat similar vein of farce though admittedly more main stream
>>how about "The Ruling Class" starring Peter O'Toole. Inspired insanity.
>
>A question: Did the 12th Earl of Gurney commit suicide, or did the
>chair tip over by accident? AIR, it seemed ambiguous.

Now you have got me thinking. I always took it as an accident. Damn, did
I miss something ?


>
>Also, I was disappointed when it changed from farce to black humor
>halfway through. Too much of a mood shift for me.

It was a big shift wasn't it ? OTOH it made the movie for me. Had it
simply continued as farce I don't think it would have had the same
impact.

>
>Tom Keener
>keensurf_at_cts_dot_com

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townes d wombat

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snip

>an idea of what it was about and I'd recommend The Best of the Bonzos
>Double Album as a good place to start. If not still on release in the US
>you could definitely pick it up from England.
>

Sorry, correction. The album was called The History of the Bonzos not
the Best of the Bonzos. I just checked and it is listed at cdnow.

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Parry

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townes d wombat wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >This is actually a slippery question. Probably alone among the popular
> >arts, surrealists have reserved a special neglect for popular music. The
> >only bits I recall reading have been derisive. It may be a different
> >situation in Europe, though.
>
> The Bonzos would seemingly be more apt to a British audience so you may
> well be correct.

Such measly phantoms as international borders don’t inhibit discerning
patrons of the outrageous arts, though. Have you heard Half Man Half
Biscuit? They’re also essentially a comedy band (though nothing at all
like the Bonzos). Many of their references are British-specific and well
over my head, yet they’re easy to love.

The American surrealists’ (I mean the group headquartered in Chicago)
disdain for rock music may simply be self-destructive reverse snobbery.


> >But it seems everyone who posts to this newsgroup is a fan of rock
> >music, and I think the Bonzos should be of primary consideration.
> >Stanshall’s absurdism, Spear’s anarchy, Innes’ more conventional social
> >satire, and their collective inventiveness conspired to rebel against
> >the drudgery that passes for normalcy. Haven’t seen the “Sir Henry”
> >movie, and wonder how it could compete with the rich prose on
> >Stanshall’s first Rawlinson album.
>
> If this is an example of it....
>
> Wistful and lovely are walls with wisteria
> Clematis clambers on time-pocked walls white
> Stranger than larkspur or lupin, hydrangea
> Hydra-head mother-in-law's tongue, tied, fancy flight
>
> .....then it's from the movie. I'd point you to
>
> http://bridge.anglia.ac.uk/~systimk/music/Bonzos/Tracks/Share-Album.Htmlx
>
> for more of the same.

I just meant it’s axiomatic that films based on good writing are rarely
as satisfying as the source material (whereas great movies can be spun
from mediocre sources). Stanshall’s play with language on the first
Rawlinson album is wonderful; the second album was kind of forgettable,
though.


> The Bonzos were out there on a planet all their own, though (and
> admittedly in a musical vein) you can see infuences from and too Peter
> Cook and Dudley Moore, notably the Pete and Dud stuff, and of course the
> Pythons. Innes (at least I think it was Innis) doing Urban Spaceman and
> It's good to be an idiot on the Pythons Live at the Hollywood Bowl

Don’t forget The Rutles! Of the alumni, Roger Ruskin Spear’s solo albums
are closest in spirit to the Bonzo records.


> (still available I'm sure) would give those who didn't know the Bonzos
> an idea of what it was about and I'd recommend The Best of the Bonzos
> Double Album as a good place to start. If not still on release in the US
> you could definitely pick it up from England.

That album (“History”) is the best collection I’ve seen. It’s nice too
that it includes some singles from the early splinter groups, like biG
Grunt and Spear’s Kinetic Wardrobe.


> For more of the Bonzos try
>
> http://www.neilinnes.org/bonzo.htm
>
> >> I loved SH@RE. Fabulous movie.
> >
> >What’s “Sh@re”? I searched the IMDb and up came the title “Sh! The
> >Octopus” (1937).
>
> (S)ir (H)enry (at) (R)awlinsons (E)nd

I’m a bit slow. There’s a plate in my head from the Crimean War. Also I
don’t speak Acronym, AYMHSFMQOIAYUOAD.

townes d wombat

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:07:53 -0400, Parry <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com>
wrote:

snip

>
>Such measly phantoms as international borders don’t inhibit discerning
>patrons of the outrageous arts, though. Have you heard Half Man Half
>Biscuit? They’re also essentially a comedy band (though nothing at all
>like the Bonzos). Many of their references are British-specific and well
>over my head, yet they’re easy to love.

Hadn't heard of them before this. I note that their albums are still
available so I'll check them out, thanks. Although I'm from Australia,
my parents were English so it's fairly easy for me to get into english
humour.


>
>The American surrealists’ (I mean the group headquartered in Chicago)
>disdain for rock music may simply be self-destructive reverse snobbery.

lol. self destructive reverse snobbery. I like that.


snip

>I just meant it’s axiomatic that films based on good writing are rarely
>as satisfying as the source material (whereas great movies can be spun
>from mediocre sources). Stanshall’s play with language on the first
>Rawlinson album is wonderful; the second album was kind of forgettable,
>though.

I'd have to agree with you however if memory serves me right the album
(and I presume you are referring to Sir Henry at Rawlinsons End as the
first album and N'didi's Kraal.) was taken from the movie. I've got
both albums on vinyl but alas my record player died a year or two back
and I've not replaced it. Must rectify that and get 'em burnt onto cd.
The second album was seriously weird, of that there is no denying. I'd
kill to have a tape of the movie though.

Possibly boring bit - I used to design furniture in the 70's and love
the movie so much I actually named my last two designs Sir Henry and
Rawlinson. Note - the furniture was not nearly as whacky as the movie.

snip

>Don’t forget The Rutles! Of the alumni, Roger Ruskin Spear’s solo albums
>are closest in spirit to the Bonzo records.

Serious ommission on my part. Good stuff. Don't know Spear's solo stuff.


snip>

>That album (“History”) is the best collection I’ve seen. It’s nice too
>that it includes some singles from the early splinter groups, like biG
>Grunt and Spear’s Kinetic Wardrobe.

indeedee doodah.

snip

>I’m a bit slow. There’s a plate in my head from the Crimean War. Also I
>don’t speak Acronym, AYMHSFMQOIAYUOAD.

big ;). Now lets see...As you may have seen from my query (question?) on
it and your use of acronym D????....nope you got me.

Like my new sig ? Picked it up while doodling through sundry stanshal
sites today. Ah me, stupid old wombat.

cheers.


>
>-- Parry
>
>> PS - my apologies for the cross posting. I picked up this thread in
>> alt.surrealism but don't know if the replies came from there or one of
>> the movie groups.

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Women and wombats are so closely linked,
I had no idea - you're so perfectly pink.
I dreamed of a wombat last night in my cot -
could be a woman, but probably not.
If I married a wombat and we walked down the aisle,
we'd have a big pouch
for Ma and Pa's supial smile.
(vivian stanshall)

Parry

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snippage

townes d wombat wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:07:53 -0400, Parry <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Such measly phantoms as international borders don’t inhibit discerning
> >patrons of the outrageous arts, though. Have you heard Half Man Half
> >Biscuit? They’re also essentially a comedy band (though nothing at all
> >like the Bonzos). Many of their references are British-specific and well
> >over my head, yet they’re easy to love.
>
> Hadn't heard of them before this. I note that their albums are still
> available so I'll check them out, thanks. Although I'm from Australia,
> my parents were English so it's fairly easy for me to get into english
> humour.

The Biccies were nearly popular in the 1980’s, then folded shop when
they felt fame was interfering with their vocation as football fans.
They’ve since reformed and have been releasing albums for years, with
little critical or popular support it seems. Their lyrics are puzzles of
obscure pop culture references. One album is titled “McIntyre, Treadmore
and Davitt” -- the names of soccer players on a team in a “Ripping
Yarns” episode. Great fun.


> if memory serves me right the album
> (and I presume you are referring to Sir Henry at Rawlinsons End as the
> first album and N'didi's Kraal.) was taken from the movie.

The first album came out in 1978, the movie in 1980. I believe the album
was distilled from his radio spots, so maybe that’s what you’re
thinking. “Nidid’s Kraal” was 1984.


> Possibly boring bit - I used to design furniture in the 70's and love
> the movie so much I actually named my last two designs Sir Henry and
> Rawlinson. Note - the furniture was not nearly as whacky as the movie.

Were they Sir Henry at Rawlinson End Tables? I once named an ottoman
Shirley, but this was a painful episode of my life I’d rather not talk
about.


> >Don’t forget The Rutles! Of the alumni, Roger Ruskin Spear’s solo albums
> >are closest in spirit to the Bonzo records.
>
> Serious ommission on my part. Good stuff. Don't know Spear's solo stuff.

Not may people do, unfortunately. Back then kids were squandering their
time on glam rock when they could have been listening to “When Yuba
Plays the Rhumba on the Tuba Down in Cuba.” Of the two Spear albums, I’d
say “Unusual” is easily the better one.


> >I’m a bit slow. There’s a plate in my head from the Crimean War. Also I
> >don’t speak Acronym, AYMHSFMQOIAYUOAD.
>
> big ;). Now lets see...As you may have seen from my query (question?) on
> it and your use of acronym D????....nope you got me.

That’s “As You May Have Surmised From My Quite Obvious Incomprehension
At Your Use Of Aforesaid Device,” of course.

> Like my new sig ? Picked it up while doodling through sundry stanshal
> sites today. Ah me, stupid old wombat.

Very nice. Don’t recall seeing that bit before.

-- Parry


> >> PS - my apologies for the cross posting. I picked up this thread in
> >> alt.surrealism but don't know if the replies came from there or one of
> >> the movie groups.
>
> ============================================================
> teedeeuuomb@
> ============================================================
> Women and wombats are so closely linked,
> I had no idea - you're so perfectly pink.
> I dreamed of a wombat last night in my cot -
> could be a woman, but probably not.
> If I married a wombat and we walked down the aisle,
> we'd have a big pouch
> for Ma and Pa's supial smile.
> (vivian stanshall)

townes d wombat

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:17:15 -0400, Parry <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com>
wrote:

snupped

>
>The first album came out in 1978, the movie in 1980. I believe the album
>was distilled from his radio spots, so maybe that’s what you’re
>thinking. “Nidid’s Kraal” was 1984.

Ah. Probably correct. I was working on Australian availability. I didn't
get hold of the album until a couple of years after the movie was first
shown here.


more snuppage

>Were they Sir Henry at Rawlinson End Tables? I once named an ottoman
>Shirley, but this was a painful episode of my life I’d rather not talk
>about.

Should have been..end tables that is. Ref Shirley I can appreciate that.
There are some things best left to your own unconsolable memories. I
trust you had something to cushion the pain. Such sad events can knock
the stuffing right out of a fella. (sorry it is monday morning after
all, not at my best on monday morning. ;))


snopped


>Not may people do, unfortunately. Back then kids were squandering their
>time on glam rock when they could have been listening to “When Yuba
>Plays the Rhumba on the Tuba Down in Cuba.” Of the two Spear albums, I’d
>say “Unusual” is easily the better one.

Added to my wish list. Thanks.

>
>
>> >I’m a bit slow. There’s a plate in my head from the Crimean War. Also I
>> >don’t speak Acronym, AYMHSFMQOIAYUOAD.
>>
>> big ;). Now lets see...As you may have seen from my query (question?) on
>> it and your use of acronym D????....nope you got me.
>
>That’s “As You May Have Surmised From My Quite Obvious Incomprehension
>At Your Use Of Aforesaid Device,” of course.

While I am capable of understanding some of the ancient language of
acron, I am obviously not fluent. Crimea was a bloody hard campaign,
many a lost horse and rider. You have my sympathies. To then have to
face the pitiless Ottoman is more than any brave soldier should have to
endure.


snapped

Take care. Hi ho hi ho it's off to work I go.

JD

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:14:35 -0400, "Vicki" <vick...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

Scorn Mandible

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Thanks kate, you legend. About time someone mentioned Eraserhead.


--
[If it wasn't for time everything would happen at once]

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Scorn Mandible

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The Cook, Theif, his wife and their stick insect.

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iglam

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Ah, Eraserhead. The strangest movie I've ever seen, hands down.
I had a friend who had a showing of Eraserhead at his apartment
once a month. I don't know how he kept people coming back.
Free beer, maybe. Once was enough for me.

iglam

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gondola bob

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Speaking of strangest movies...I just saw Robert Altman's "3 Women" a
few days ago. The most striking "What did THAT mean?" film I've seen in
quite awhile.

Have others seen this? How do you interpret it? IS there any definitive
interpretation? I've read that Altman was only faithfully recreating
his own dream, so maybe even HE doesn't know what it means?

anonym

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I saw it, but found it so unmemorable I can't remember a damn thing even
AFTER reading the reviews..

Roger Ebert: "3 Women" is a movie about, uh, well...I don't know. The
director (Robert Altman) actually made this movie out of his own dreams.
Good God. If I dreamed like this, I'd fear sleep!"

Some reviews:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1098600/reviews.php?critic=all&sor
tby=default&page=1&rid=149899

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1098600/reviews.php?critic=all&sor
tby=default&page=1&rid=223808

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1098600/reviews.php?critic=all&sor
tby=default&page=1&rid=149900


Arminius

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I'm going to repeat some here, but here goes:

*The Texas Chainsaw Massacre*
*Tetsuo: The Iron Man*
*Santa Claus Conquers the Martians*
*Eraserhead*--and I disrespect anyone who disagrees
*The Conqueror*
*Magnolia*
*Lost Highway*
*Un Chien Andalou*--although when reading the directors' explanation,
it makes perfect sense
*Maniac*
*Repo Man*--and I loved every minute of it
*The Rocky Horror Picture Show*
*Sympathy for the Devil*
*Blow-Up*
*8 1/2*--and I mean that in the nicest way possible
*Persona*--ditto; beautiful film, but bizarre. Of course, I am
prejudiced.
*Lust in the Dust*

That's enough for now.

---

Arminius

anonym

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lol.. I agree with Eraserhead but not Lost Highway. Blue Velvet kicks that
one's ass. ;)

How could I have forgotten any Devine movie and also Rocky Horror? These
lists do jog the mind..

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After Hours was a great movie, thanks for the flashback.


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Tetsu THE IRON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought i was the only
one........


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Tangled Up In Stew

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The Keep - Michael Mann
L'avventura - Antonioni
Persona - Bergman
Performance - Nic Roeg


The Other Fool

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Tangled Up In Stew heeft geschreven in bericht ...


How about

Killers
C’est Arrivé Pres De Chez Vous
Being John Malkovich
Eraserhead (I think that's Lynch's debut)


john adams

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How about:

Time Invaders From Outer Space
The Last Beast That Lived
Death Has a Mistress Named Dear Aunt Charlotte
Devil, Would You Come Give Me a Hand On This Starter
Lucille: The Tramp Who Lived Under A Trampoline - A Lifetime Original
My Best Friend's a Witch's Himstress
The World That Was An Oyster
Milly, How Sweet of You To Die
Dannicka You are Slowly Unfolding
The Beast That Refused To Die Except On His Own Terms

john


Tom Keener

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On 6 Aug 2001 22:38:13 -0500, SpeedbyrdŽ <Spee...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Erasehead

In the 2 1/2 months that this thread has been percolating, Eraserhead
has been mentioned (by my count) 7 times, besides having its own
mini-thread. (Must be a consensus pick.) Strange it is. I didn't have
the perseverance to stick it out to the end.

Tom Keener
keensurf_at_cts_dot_com

james madison

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"john adams" <johnqa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:GcFb7.16291

>
> How about:
>
> Time Invaders From Outer Space

Deep movie here...Telli Savalis plays an immortal human cannonball
asked by the Galactic Federation to stage special leaps utilizing a
special cannon capable of time travel. The circus industry is completely
changed as we know it.

> The Last Beast That Lived

This is the one where the beast, similar in appearance to sigmond
and his seamonsters, is the last creature remaining on the planet. In epic
slow motion he is seen wailing in sadness with all 8 of his arms for most
of the film slapping himself, until finally he is pummeled to death. The ooze
is filmed for the remaining several minutes drip from his mouth tangent to
the gravely earth. Very sad.

> Death Has a Mistress Named Dear Aunt Charlotte
> Devil, Would You Come Give Me a Hand On This Starter

I recall this one. The main character is working on his 65 rambler
and, fidgiting with the stubborn starter bolts, asks for the devil's
assistance. A cartoon reality materialization of the Devil peeks
around the car, half-shy. He's never worked on a car before.
But the two, as a team, pull it off. And in the end Satan shows
him a few handy evil tricks before he leaves to impress the chicks
(like form a lighter flame with the end of his index finger).

> Lucille: The Tramp Who Lived Under A Trampoline - A Lifetime Original

Fascinating!

> My Best Friend's a Witch's Himstress
> The World That Was An Oyster
> Milly, How Sweet of You To Die
> Dannicka You are Slowly Unfolding
> The Beast That Refused To Die Except On His Own Terms

You have only the best tastes friend.

james


Parry

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james madison wrote:

> "john adams" wrote:
> >
> > How about:
> >
> > Time Invaders From Outer Space
> Deep movie here...Telli Savalis plays an immortal human cannonball
> asked by the Galactic Federation to stage special leaps utilizing a
> special cannon capable of time travel. The circus industry is completely
> changed as we know it.

A complete rip-off of “I Was Andy Warhol’s Love Basin.” The stuff stuck
to the seats was more interesting than what was on the screen.


> > The Last Beast That Lived
> This is the one where the beast, similar in appearance to sigmond
> and his seamonsters, is the last creature remaining on the planet. In epic
> slow motion he is seen wailing in sadness with all 8 of his arms for most
> of the film slapping himself, until finally he is pummeled to death. The ooze
> is filmed for the remaining several minutes drip from his mouth tangent to
> the gravely earth. Very sad.

But the monster arbitrarily changes colour from shot to shot! This is
because the semi-organic compound they used to construct the creature
rotted away during filming. In the scene in the English pub, you can see
maggots dropping from its arm every time it lifts the beer stein. If
they had shot the scenes in sequence they might have worked the animal’s
decay into the storyline.


> > Death Has a Mistress Named Dear Aunt Charlotte

This was the Japanese-language version of “Easter of the Dead,” which
was Romero’s 11th or 12th zombie flick. Nothing much happens in it. The
zombies go to Easter Mass and pray for resurrection. The scariest thing
I saw was the concession stand prices. Ha!


> > Devil, Would You Come Give Me a Hand On This Starter
> I recall this one. The main character is working on his 65 rambler
> and, fidgiting with the stubborn starter bolts, asks for the devil's
> assistance. A cartoon reality materialization of the Devil peeks
> around the car, half-shy. He's never worked on a car before.
> But the two, as a team, pull it off. And in the end Satan shows
> him a few handy evil tricks before he leaves to impress the chicks
> (like form a lighter flame with the end of his index finger).

A perfunctory sequel to “The Thing with Two Bottoms.”


> > Lucille: The Tramp Who Lived Under A Trampoline - A Lifetime Original
> Fascinating!

Eh, all these quickie horror flicks -- “Russian Currency Crisis,” “Water
Privatization,” “The Commercial Secrecy Act,” “Universal Masters of Free
Trade” -- they’re all based on third-rate video games and I can’t tell
one from the other.

> > My Best Friend's a Witch's Himstress

I thought George Kennedy was woefully miscast as the pigtailed mountain
girl who loses her virginity on a sack full of Tintin magazines. This
one was banned in Tyrol, for obvious reasons.


> > The World That Was An Oyster

It’s original title was “The Sun Also Terrorizes,” another Unification
Church tax-write-off based on the works of horror-meister Ernest
Hemingway. A true cheapie: actors’ hands accidentally poke through the
paper backdrops, inebriated character actor Guy Kibbee insisted on
delivering his lines in a series of burps, extras in the crowd scenes
were obviously house pets in prosthetic human drag, Lee Van Cleef
double-dutied in two of the female roles -- which wouldn’t have been so
bad if he had let them shave his moustache. And why didn’t they at least
cut the scene where his agent comes in to re-negotiate his contract? If
the gore scenes looked familiar it’s because they were just recycled
Worker’s Compensation Board television adverts. Travolta was good,
though.


> > Milly, How Sweet of You To Die

One can’t rightly comment on this film, though its sales gimmick was
certainly strange. Taking Val Lewton’s discreet horror theory that “the
scariest thing is the unknown” to its logical conclusion, the producers
instructed theatre owners to take the customers money then once the
audience was seated inform them that the film was simply too frightening
to be exhibited. It was pulled from circulation after three incidents in
which patrons died of heart attacks imagining what might be on the film.


> > Dannicka You are Slowly Unfolding

A pointless re-make of “Plan Colombia.” The original was better and
stranger: the US gives a 1.3 billion dollar aid package to Colombia,
then the fun begins. A real delight for gorehounds.


> > The Beast That Refused To Die Except On His Own Terms

A crummy Play-Doh animation to capitalize on the success of “The Hip Hop
Togs That Ate Manhattan,” in which over-sized clothes consume the
nation’s youth.


> You have only the best tastes friend.
>
> james

Yech. You should get a refund on your eyeballs. Take a break from the
cinema and go play with your dolly, Madison.

-- Parry Ebert

Dale Houstman

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>
> A perfunctory sequel to "The Thing with Two Bottoms."
>
Interesting sidenote: "The Thing With Two Bottoms" was orginally titled
"Midnight In The Marzipantheon," but - as it turned out - this was already
the title of Pope John Paul's secret porn movie, in which he is ravaged
again and again by the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile, much to his apparent
delight. Not a horror movie, but a silent comedy.

A much stranger film - and one with Jungian taintings - is Ian Mucha's
"Strawberry Maggot Zulu Trout Binge" starring the erstwhile Pookie "Dayglo"
Trumoli (of "Ghost Jelly" fame): in this one - seemingly filmed in sepia
but actually scorched during a brothel fire - Pookie plays a nameless
skateboard repairman who wakes up one day transformed into a second-class
ticket to Barstow, and is subsequently burned by his parents who see no need
to go there, and certainly not in second-class. Meanwhile - in Peru - a
train conductor (played by the world-famous opium addict/trance golfer
Marlox Rebunu) finds himself stuck for a answer to the question "Why
meatloaf on Thursday"? At this point the two storylines come together and
explode, leaving only oddly pulsating pieces of flypaper suspended in a
pin-striped space, out of which comes the distant voice of Henry Kissinger,
attempting to order a crab sandwich in a tuna sandwich shop.

When I saw this film in a basement cinema in Vienna, the opening credits had
been replaced with five drunks and a schnauzer dancing the hurdy-gurdy.
Can't say it improved the flim, but it did alleviate the "five drunks and a
schnauzer" unemployment situation for a few poignant moments.

I also like Dick Tork's "One Head With Three Bodies" and Stan Davenport's
"Inches Of The Beige Midnight" with Anna Nicole Smith as Ayer's Rock.

dmh

Parry

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Dale Houstman wrote:

> "Parry" wrote:
> > A perfunctory sequel to "The Thing with Two Bottoms."
> >
> Interesting sidenote: "The Thing With Two Bottoms" was orginally titled
> "Midnight In The Marzipantheon," but - as it turned out - this was already
> the title of Pope John Paul's secret porn movie, in which he is ravaged
> again and again by the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile, much to his apparent
> delight. Not a horror movie, but a silent comedy.

I steer clear of Pope movies unless they star my favourite, Boniface
VIII. But RKO’s “Tomb of the Wandering Nefarious” serial with lovable
curmudgeon Innocent III had its moments as well. The scene where he has
to tiptoe through a field full of sleeping wolverines still gives me
nightmares.


> A much stranger film - and one with Jungian taintings - is Ian Mucha's
> "Strawberry Maggot Zulu Trout Binge" starring the erstwhile Pookie "Dayglo"
> Trumoli (of "Ghost Jelly" fame): in this one - seemingly filmed in sepia
> but actually scorched during a brothel fire - Pookie plays a nameless
> skateboard repairman who wakes up one day transformed into a second-class
> ticket to Barstow, and is subsequently burned by his parents who see no need
> to go there, and certainly not in second-class. Meanwhile - in Peru - a
> train conductor (played by the world-famous opium addict/trance golfer
> Marlox Rebunu) finds himself stuck for a answer to the question "Why
> meatloaf on Thursday"? At this point the two storylines come together and
> explode, leaving only oddly pulsating pieces of flypaper suspended in a
> pin-striped space, out of which comes the distant voice of Henry Kissinger,
> attempting to order a crab sandwich in a tuna sandwich shop.

Out-takes from that movie were used in “Listen You Bastard, I’ll Kill
You If You Don’t Shut the Hell Up” starring Lucille Ball as the
foul-mouthed steamboat captain who has to ferry a nebbish phrenology
professor (football great Yelberton A. Tittle in his only film role)
across the river Styx (played by a young Yangtze before its nose job).


> When I saw this film in a basement cinema in Vienna, the opening credits had
> been replaced with five drunks and a schnauzer dancing the hurdy-gurdy.
> Can't say it improved the flim, but it did alleviate the "five drunks and a
> schnauzer" unemployment situation for a few poignant moments.

I recall that theatre. The seats were elevated on granite pillars
surrounded by dark water on which floated saucers carrying lit candles.
Confections were distributed out of baskets tied to the backs of swans.
On the crags by the stage lounged sirens who fluttered their false
eyelashes so rapidly the screen, woven from fine alpaca hair, flowed
gently in the breeze. The movies had recorded dialogue, but the musical
soundtrack was improvised live by a chamber orchestra scattered among
the audience. For an extra fifty cents, you could stand on a chair and
watch sexy movies through a transom.


> I also like Dick Tork's "One Head With Three Bodies" and Stan Davenport's
> "Inches Of The Beige Midnight" with Anna Nicole Smith as Ayer's Rock.

Dick Tork? I haven’t heard that name since the mad scientists detained
me for psychological torture experiments. Didn’t he die when the cord of
his motorboat engine eviscerated him?

-- Parry

Dale Houstman

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> Dale Houstman wrote:
> > "Parry" wrote:
> > > A perfunctory sequel to "The Thing with Two Bottoms."
> > >
> > Interesting sidenote: "The Thing With Two Bottoms" was orginally titled
> > "Midnight In The Marzipantheon," but - as it turned out - this was
already
> > the title of Pope John Paul's secret porn movie, in which he is ravaged
> > again and again by the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile, much to his apparent
> > delight. Not a horror movie, but a silent comedy.
>
> I steer clear of Pope movies unless they star my favourite, Boniface
> VIII. But RKO's "Tomb of the Wandering Nefarious" serial with lovable
> curmudgeon Innocent III had its moments as well. The scene where he has
> to tiptoe through a field full of sleeping wolverines still gives me
> nightmares.

I understand your aversion to Pope films (except for that one on John Paul's
transparent nutsack), but I didn't actually see "Midnight..." but read about
it in the indispensable resource book "Ecumenical Strap-Ons & Christian
Bum-Guards" which give the history of the papist porn film industry. Point
of interest: those "sleeping wolverines" were actually doped Irish
schoolgirls in over-sized badger costumes. A matter of economy that, aince
almost all papist porn is financed by the money cardinals steal from subway
bums.


>
>
> > A much stranger film - and one with Jungian taintings - is Ian Mucha's
> > "Strawberry Maggot Zulu Trout Binge" starring the erstwhile Pookie
"Dayglo"
> > Trumoli (of "Ghost Jelly" fame): in this one - seemingly filmed in
sepia
> > but actually scorched during a brothel fire - Pookie plays a nameless
> > skateboard repairman who wakes up one day transformed into a
second-class
> > ticket to Barstow, and is subsequently burned by his parents who see no
need
> > to go there, and certainly not in second-class. Meanwhile - in Peru - a
> > train conductor (played by the world-famous opium addict/trance golfer
> > Marlox Rebunu) finds himself stuck for a answer to the question "Why
> > meatloaf on Thursday"? At this point the two storylines come together
and
> > explode, leaving only oddly pulsating pieces of flypaper suspended in a
> > pin-striped space, out of which comes the distant voice of Henry
Kissinger,
> > attempting to order a crab sandwich in a tuna sandwich shop.
>
> Out-takes from that movie were used in "Listen You Bastard, I'll Kill
> You If You Don't Shut the Hell Up" starring Lucille Ball as the
> foul-mouthed steamboat captain who has to ferry a nebbish phrenology
> professor (football great Yelberton A. Tittle in his only film role)
> across the river Styx (played by a young Yangtze before its nose job).

An inferior film except for its revolutionary usage of the arterial camera
for close-ups. Although Lucille (as always) was superb as Captain Hardy
Softbang, I found Yelberton's Ralph- Meeker-as-Mike-Hammer imitation to be
cloying and - frankly - inconsistent, as he often lapsed into a
Hermione-Gingold-as-Rudoph-Hess patter that really ruined the submerged
cathedral scenes, otherwise neatly framed. I did like Yangtze as Styx, but
preferred Potomac as Missouri in "Puffy Velvet's Night In A Saab." Speaking
of the botched nose-job: I saw Yangtze as a sink leak in "Touched By A Nazi"
the other night. Not good, and very sad.


>
> > When I saw this film in a basement cinema in Vienna, the opening credits
had
> > been replaced with five drunks and a schnauzer dancing the hurdy-gurdy.
> > Can't say it improved the flim, but it did alleviate the "five drunks
and a
> > schnauzer" unemployment situation for a few poignant moments.
>
> I recall that theatre. The seats were elevated on granite pillars
> surrounded by dark water on which floated saucers carrying lit candles.

Yes: sadly, the candles have been replaced with burning Spam sticks. The
water is darker than ever though, and (my bottom is grateful!) the granite
pillars are now topped with pillows made from retired Sumo wrestler flesh.

> Confections were distributed out of baskets tied to the backs of swans.
> On the crags by the stage lounged sirens who fluttered their false
> eyelashes so rapidly the screen, woven from fine alpaca hair, flowed
> gently in the breeze. The movies had recorded dialogue, but the musical
> soundtrack was improvised live by a chamber orchestra scattered among
> the audience. For an extra fifty cents, you could stand on a chair and
> watch sexy movies through a transom.

Strangely enough the entire theater was plowed under and a prison was built
on the site last year, and I still go to see films there, although one now
has to be arrested to get to the entrance gate. Fortunately, this is not
difficult to do in the States, and all that remains is to be transferred to
Vienna.


>
>
> > I also like Dick Tork's "One Head With Three Bodies" and Stan
Davenport's
> > "Inches Of The Beige Midnight" with Anna Nicole Smith as Ayer's Rock.
>
> Dick Tork? I haven't heard that name since the mad scientists detained
> me for psychological torture experiments. Didn't he die when the cord of
> his motorboat engine eviscerated him?
>

No, but a common misunderstanding: Dick Tork (real name, Shirley
Wainspittle) was beaten to death by two irate Goofys at Disney World, after
he tried to do them "doggie style" after a drinking tour of Epcot.
Ironically, one of those Goofys (and which one cannot be determined) visits
his small grave by the side of a road in Death Valley every year on
Christmas Eve and leaves a dish of black pudding on the marking rock. The
blind director, Max Thrushthroat is hoping to make a comeback with a bio-pic
on Tork, involving three anorexic nuns and a Esperanto-speaking taxi dancer
from Selma. Rumor is Judd Nelson is up for the role of Dick's famous
toilet-dancing partner from "Intoxicated Pullovers," Maisie Bullnaked. I
personally would prefer Soupy Sales in that role with the juicy part of Tork
himself going to John Glenn's lower colon. Keep your fingers crossed!

dmh


Parry

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Dale Houstman wrote:
> Strangely enough the entire theater was plowed under and a prison was built
> on the site last year, and I still go to see films there, although one now
> has to be arrested to get to the entrance gate. Fortunately, this is not
> difficult to do in the States, and all that remains is to be transferred to
> Vienna.

Actually, I saw a Discovery Channel documentary on this very subject.
“The Great Prisons Built Over Demolished Cinemas.” It strongly hinted
that the movie studios are behind the American incarceration boom, as
they require large captive audiences to guarantee ticket sales for
movies no one would watch of their own free will. (And as more and more
Hollywood blockbusters are being manufactured by prison labour, the
system has become near hermetic.)

So now the Trilateral Pantages, which once tickled strange movie-goers
with the likes of “Attack of the Feather People” and “The Infinite
Finger,” has become a deluxe Strongbox 3000 supermaximum security home
for underage three-strikers. At the Bilderberg Palace -- where
spotlights that once grazed evening clouds now search the bullet-riddled
walls for breakouts -- convicts are chained into rows of disjointed
metal seats (whose cushions have long since joined the Sphinx’s nose in
Erosion Heaven) and forced to watch previews of upcoming parole
hearings, played at ear-splitting volume. Less glamourously, multiplexes
are being converted into penitentiaries with little or no renovation,
while Early Bird Earl’s World Famous Daytona Drive-In is now a
concentration camp.

> > > I also like Dick Tork's "One Head With Three Bodies" and Stan
> Davenport's
> > > "Inches Of The Beige Midnight" with Anna Nicole Smith as Ayer's Rock.
> >
> > Dick Tork? I haven't heard that name since the mad scientists detained
> > me for psychological torture experiments. Didn't he die when the cord of
> > his motorboat engine eviscerated him?
> >
> No, but a common misunderstanding: Dick Tork (real name, Shirley
> Wainspittle) was beaten to death by two irate Goofys at Disney World, after
> he tried to do them "doggie style" after a drinking tour of Epcot.
> Ironically, one of those Goofys (and which one cannot be determined) visits
> his small grave by the side of a road in Death Valley every year on
> Christmas Eve and leaves a dish of black pudding on the marking rock.

Ah, I must have him confused with Peter Recoil, star of “Three Inches of
Anna Nicole’s Beige Head.” The puddingful mourner in question, it turns
out, is the real Goofy -- not one of those decoys Disney employs to
confound assassination attempts. This according to his ex-wife, who has
just published a vicious tell-all entitled “You Can’t Get To Sleep From
Here.” She spills all the sordid dirt on the Stepin Fetchit of dogdom:
his rampages on Benzedrine (“goofballs,” hence his nickname), his
lifting-of-the-leg on Walt’s grave, his refusal to pay support for the
some two thousand bastard puppies he’s fathered, the time he showed up
at the gates of Graceland with a loaded shotgun, and so on. On the
jacket is a photograph of him eating Alpo out of Sandra Bullock’s navel.
The book claims Goofy personally ripped out Tork’s throat with his
canines as a favour to the Mutt Mafia, to which he was dogbone deep in
debt.


> The
> blind director, Max Thrushthroat is hoping to make a comeback with a bio-pic
> on Tork, involving three anorexic nuns and a Esperanto-speaking taxi dancer
> from Selma. Rumor is Judd Nelson is up for the role of Dick's famous
> toilet-dancing partner from "Intoxicated Pullovers," Maisie Bullnaked. I
> personally would prefer Soupy Sales in that role with the juicy part of Tork
> himself going to John Glenn's lower colon. Keep your fingers crossed!

Thrushthroat is certainly a respected figure in film -- the Academy
recently honoured him for his invention of Braille subtitles -- but
clearly he is no longer up to the job. It’s been years since he could
pull off literate dramas like “Ampersand Dune” or “Pardon My
Declension,” and the last decade of his career was squandered on that
horrible series of juvenile comedies with child star Cocky McFuckwad.
The one director for whom this project seems ideally suited is the
Colossus of Rhodes, but he may still be blacklisted as a Communist. Were
it up to me, I’d cast Asia Argento in all the parts, as I would for any
movie.

Leland Ege

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Attack of the Killer Tomatoes--so bad, you must watch to fully appreciate
how bad a movie can be...makes Ed Wood look like a Hitchcock protoge`

Repo Man

Paris, TX

Reflections in a Golden Eye....very bizaare Brando movie

and I agree, Eraserhead always comes to mind when thinking of strangeness.

Parry

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I’m copying this message to alt.surrealism, the source of this erudite
discussion. R.a.m.p-f. has so many posts and a.s. too few, so this will
be a small redistribution of wealth.

-- Parry

Steve Oldham wrote:


> On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:03:01 -0400, Parry <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com>
> wrote:
> > and the last decade of his career was squandered on that
> >horrible series of juvenile comedies with child star Cocky McFuckwad.
>

> I always had a soft spot in my heart for Cocky and the whole McFuckwad
> clan. One often wonders what the future would have held for them had
> it not been for that cat skin trampoline scandal.
>
> Little Johnny Dagnabit carried on, but he was no McFuckwad.
>
> Steve

Dale Houstman

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"Parry" <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm copying this message to alt.surrealism, the source of this erudite
> discussion. R.a.m.p-f. has so many posts and a.s. too few, so this will
> be a small redistribution of wealth.
>
> -- Parry
>
> Steve Oldham wrote:
> > On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:03:01 -0400, Parry <pa...@perfectOMITmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > and the last decade of his career was squandered on that
> > >horrible series of juvenile comedies with child star Cocky McFuckwad.
> >
> > I always had a soft spot in my heart for Cocky and the whole McFuckwad
> > clan. One often wonders what the future would have held for them had
> > it not been for that cat skin trampoline scandal.
> >
> > Little Johnny Dagnabit carried on, but he was no McFuckwad.
> >

Who could be? McFuckwad (real name, Corky Jabber) was born to the screen, as
his mother (Kitty Jabber) gave birth to (and abandoned) him at the Ankh
Bestiary Cinema Complex. He was raised by the projectionist, Timothy Rector,
and grew to a diseased manhood amidst film cans and the smell of burnt
popcorn and male pomade. He actually paid tribute to this upbringing in the
film that made him a star, "Burning Thermidors Of The Spanish Main." After
he made his first million, his real mum showed up at his door, and he had to
have her evicted by police force. Although she was broken-hearted by this
action, she loved him until the day she died, penniless and diseased in the
basement of a doughnut shop. Cocky/Corky went on to make an amazing 54 films
in two years, amongst which are classics in all genres.

WESTERNS
"I Am Cacti" (co-starring the greasy codger, Gazebo Cherub)
"The Whining Revolvers Of Green Gas Valley"
"Guns Of Admiration"

ROMANTIC COMEDIES
"Touch Me Again And I'll Boil Your Head Down For Chewing Gum" (with Verna
Boo)
"Crazy As A Cop On Pot"

SCI-FI
"Captain Puppy, Time Stud" (directed by the autistic director, Renaldo
Thrumsutt)
"The WindowWiper Man"
"Bugs In a Tussle"

Although the cat skin trampoline effectively ended his career, there are at
least three hundred CockyClubs to be found all over the United States and in
parts of Luxembourg. His name will be remembered for as long as it takes for
me to finish this letter.

dmh

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