Brandon Freels is a Surrealist from Portland
Kwigd144
http://www.keithwigdorsurrealism.com DON'T FORGET ABOUT SURREALISM!!!
Brandon Freels
kwig...@aol.com (Kwigd144) wrote in message news:<20030117161218...@mb-df.aol.com>...
Kwigd144
80's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon Freels
terrorists are those who exploit and destroy the environment. And,
yes, between the ages of 4 and 14 I was quite the earth liberationist!
Care to share more stories from my past?
On a different note, have you ever read Jeff Ferrell's wonderful book
Tearing Down the Streets?
---BJF
kwig...@aol.com (Kwigd144) wrote in message news:<20030119221126...@mb-fk.aol.com>...
g e e k . t r a g e d y
Freels) wrote:
>Since when are you a surrealist?
>
he's not. he's a spamming aol'er with an iq deficit.
>kwig...@aol.com (Kwigd144) wrote in message news:<20030117161218...@mb-df.aol.com>...
>> and I am from Hoboken, REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
>> http://www.keithwigdorsSPAMism.com DON'T FORGET ABOUT SPAMISM!!!
Kwigd144
though you KNOW that I AM A COMPELETE RETARD), there are some things that
should not be discussed in this open forum. I know you loathe me and all, but I
do care about you, REMEMBER who else is in here! The Brain Police are
watching, so Fuck Them!
Brandon Freels
---BJF
kwig...@aol.com (Kwigd144) wrote in message news:<20030120180258...@mb-fr.aol.com>...
Kwigd144
g e e k . t r a g e d y
>kwig...@aol.com (Kwigd144) wrote in message news:<20030120180258...@mb-fr.aol.com>...
>> Brandon, SERIOUSLY! Word to the Wise: Keep those skeletons in the closet,
>> [...] there are some things that should not be discussed in this open
>> forum.
>
>What's inside your cranium, a pot plant?
>
more like a tumbleweed, don't ya think?
>_You're_ the one who brought the whole thing up.
>
>
>> [...] I do care about you,
>
>Ooh, trying to make Morpheal jealous ---
Kwigd144
Morpheal
> What's inside your cranium, a pot plant?
Cythera, why are you trying to light up Keith Wigdor's head ?
Trying to puff on his ear is a bit extreme don't you think ?
Worse yet, you tried to shotgun his nose.
R.
Morpheal
homosexual tendencies to her. Cythera lost interest after that.
R.
Kwigd144
Dale Houstman
Brandon Freels wrote:
> First Keith, its called earth liberation, not eco-terrorism. The real
> terrorists are those who exploit and destroy the environment. And,
> yes, between the ages of 4 and 14 I was quite the earth liberationist!
> Care to share more stories from my past?
>
The only problem with most "earth liberation" techniques is that they
tend to attack the workers, not the structures and processes of power.
This is a simliar situation to those endless "let's free the lab animals
so they can die on the freeway" events that PETA and such find useful.
If "earth liberators" would blow up and maim CEOs of huge lumber
companies I would find them more compelling. As is, they are merely
waging a war against the most powerless members of their opposition, and
- for the most part - failing utterly to effect any change.
dmh
elag
In that vein I'd like to ask: The Unab0mber = hero? villian? victim?
Dale Houstman
It's interesting, isn't it? My initial reaction was one of glee, just at
the newness and surprise of it all, the manner in which the act broke
through the daily grind of imposed order. It's easy to feel that way at
a remove of course, but that doesn't invalidate the emotion. One doesn't
really know what to make of HIM though: his "mental disorder" makes him
a victim of some process I suppose, and the problem of power cannot be
separated from the course of his "mania." The entire question of
violence is difficult to answer: obviously it is necessary in the
pursuit of change at times, but the general ineffectiveness of the
bomber's method in the end speaks against that rationale. An organized
attack against the "right" targets would be easier to critique. And his
rather "Luddite" stance isn't one that attracts me profoundly. I found
his brother's actions (in turning him in) to be as honorable as possible
given the circumstances, and his insistence on the government not
seeking the death penalty, which - of course - the government tried to
go back on. I admire Tim more than I admire the government, if that's an
indicator of anything.
dmh
Kwigd144
any act of Violence for Positive Change and you know it.
Brandon Freels
when you spread lies about me being a member of the ELF and a
car-bomber? Just because I have environmental concerns does not mean
I'm a member of the ELF. I demand a retraction and a confession that
you lied.
Kwigd144
Dale Houstman
Kwigd144 wrote:
> Dale, You know what you just posted is not true! You have NEVER ONCE ENGAGED in
> any act of Violence for Positive Change and you know it.
Your overt insanity is bothersome. First: reveal where I claim I DID
engage in any act of violence, and secondly, prove that I haven't.
Either way, your statement is just a continuation of your inane
megalomania, bereft of cognition or interest.
dmh
Morpheal
it. She is feeling womanly urges, because of you, Keith.
R.
Kwigd144 wrote:
>
> CYTHERA HATES ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kwigd144
Parry
> I never said that you were a member of this Earth Libertion Front.
It's funny how sometimes a pig's squealing is mistaken for speech.
-- Parry
Kwigd144
you PULLED on THE SURVEY FORUM, then JAMES goes and CLOSES IT, SO I CANNOT
RESPOND!!!!! REAL SNEAKY!!!!!!! Also, Remember, You ACCUSE ME OF SLANDER WHEN
YOU ARE THE LIAR!!!!!! I NEVER SAID YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE EARTH LIBERATION
FRONT!!! CASE CLOSED!!! PRICK! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon Freels
Freels on alt.surrealism, January 19, 2003)
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Kwigd144
that quote? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
PRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Morpheal
told as being his own mind. He keeps rejecting himself.
R.
Morpheal
Soon everyone will have it. You obviously don't have it yet, but one day
you will, you will, eventually....
R.
Morpheal
the thumpers were used on Arakis to summon the spice worms. No, not the
spice girls, only the spice worms. Too bad. You were hoping the thumpers
would summon the girls weren't you ? Typical male.
R.
Brandon Freels
Have you talked to Jim recently?
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Kwigd144
and The Sends it to the NAVY! Tra la la la la LA!!!!!! Oink,Oink!!!!!!!
elag
>
> elag wrote:
> > Dale Houstman wrote:
> >
> >>Brandon Freels wrote:
> >>
> >>>First Keith, its called earth liberation, not eco-terrorism. The real
> >>>terrorists are those who exploit and destroy the environment. And,
> >>>yes, between the ages of 4 and 14 I was quite the earth liberationist!
> >>>Care to share more stories from my past?
> >>>
> >>
> >>The only problem with most "earth liberation" techniques is that they
> >>tend to attack the workers, not the structures and processes of power.
> >>This is a simliar situation to those endless "let's free the lab animals
> >>so they can die on the freeway" events that PETA and such find useful.
> >>If "earth liberators" would blow up and maim CEOs of huge lumber
> >>companies I would find them more compelling. As is, they are merely
> >>waging a war against the most powerless members of their opposition, and
> >>- for the most part - failing utterly to effect any change.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In that vein I'd like to ask: The Unab0mber = hero? villian? victim?
>
> It's interesting, isn't it? My initial reaction was one of glee, just at
> the newness and surprise of it all, the manner in which the act broke
> through the daily grind of imposed order. It's easy to feel that way at
> a remove of course, but that doesn't invalidate the emotion. One doesn't
> really know what to make of HIM though: his "mental disorder" makes him
> a victim of some process I suppose,
I'm sure about that much.
and the problem of power cannot be
> separated from the course of his "mania." The entire question of
> violence is difficult to answer: obviously it is necessary in the
> pursuit of change at times, but the general ineffectiveness of the
> bomber's method in the end speaks against that rationale.
I'll agree w/ that.
An organized
> attack against the "right" targets would be easier to critique.
I'll submit that in most cases the replacements for those removed would
likely be equally ruthless and willing to hand out overwhelming reprisals.
I'm thinking about the assasination of Heydrich:
http://web.isp.cz/jcrane/heroes/Heydrich.html
or even, in a way, the current Neverending War which is just beginning.
Targeted assas1nati0ns might be a useful tactic for those that were
trying to foment disorder to create an environment amenable to their
desired c0up d'etat.
> And his rather "Luddite" stance isn't one that attracts me profoundly.
Well, I'm no Luddite but I am sympathetic to those who worry about the
negative fallout of "progress". He did wonders with wood I must say.
I found
> his brother's actions (in turning him in) to be as honorable as possible
> given the circumstances, and his insistence on the government not
> seeking the death penalty, which - of course - the government tried to
> go back on. I admire Tim more than I admire the government, if that's an
> indicator of anything.
I wonder if Ted writes anything in prison...
Dale Houstman
My wife - the old Stalinist - tells me that Lenin insisted only on the
efficacy of mass violence, not on the small blasts of anarchism that
popped on here and there. Yet I think such "trivial" evenmts may help to
create the culture which larger events begin to thrive in. I never much
liked the degradation of the individual in deference to the group that
the communists preached anyway, although - as a nmatter of political
effectiveness - I suppose it can't be denied. But it is rather obvious
that Tim had gone too far beyond "clarity of intent."
>
>
>
> I'm thinking about the assasination of Heydrich:
>
> http://web.isp.cz/jcrane/heroes/Heydrich.html
>
> or even, in a way, the current Neverending War which is just
> beginning.
>
> Targeted assas1nati0ns might be a useful tactic for those that were
> trying to foment disorder to create an environment amenable to their
> desired c0up d'etat.
I think so, and it would fit in with the idea of creating a certain
"atmosphere" as unpleasant as it might be.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> And his rather "Luddite" stance isn't one that attracts me
>> profoundly.
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I'm no Luddite but I am sympathetic to those who worry about
> the negative fallout of "progress". He did wonders with wood I must
> say.
I'll agree with that. I am thinking of those who find it a viable notion
that mankind would be "better off" living in the trees and nit-picking.
Besides the aesthetic repulsion I feel at this, I doubt seriously whtehr
or not it is achievable, although a massive World War might effect such
a bit of business.
>
>
>
> I found
>
>> his brother's actions (in turning him in) to be as honorable as
>> possible given the circumstances, and his insistence on the
>> government not seeking the death penalty, which - of course - the
>> government tried to go back on. I admire Tim more than I admire the
>> government, if that's an indicator of anything.
>
>
>
>
> I wonder if Ted writes anything in prison...
If he does - and I think it is highly probably he does - it is unlikely
we'll be seeing it.
dmh
Morpheal
After you have recited the alphabet.
R.
elag
It's hard to imagine a Stalinist in this day and age... a Maoist
maybe... or even a Trotskyite... but a Stalinist?... don't go to the
sauna unarmed!
Yet I think such "trivial" evenmts may help to
> create the culture which larger events begin to thrive in. I never much
> liked the degradation of the individual in deference to the group that
> the communists preached anyway, although - as a nmatter of political
> effectiveness - I suppose it can't be denied. But it is rather obvious
> that Tim had gone too far beyond "clarity of intent."
Personally I'm against violence except as a last resort. It's a matter
of the level of oppression and desperation. Passive resistance might
work against the British Colonial Gov't in India but not against the Nazis.
In todays environment I think cyber-activism could be the best way to
go. Individuals w/ enough skill could compromise and publicise enough
of what goes on in secret to destabilize their targets.
The Gov't itself is entering this arena so it's worth considering...
from a boat in international waters.
> >
>
> >
> > I'm thinking about the assasination of Heydrich:
> >
> > http://web.isp.cz/jcrane/heroes/Heydrich.html
> >
> > or even, in a way, the current Neverending War which is just
> > beginning.
> >
> > Targeted assas1nati0ns might be a useful tactic for those that were
> > trying to foment disorder to create an environment amenable to their
> > desired c0up d'etat.
>
> I think so, and it would fit in with the idea of creating a certain
> "atmosphere" as unpleasant as it might be.
It's worked before... I'd rather not suffer through such a period
though. The bookworm survival rate is likely to be low.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> And his rather "Luddite" stance isn't one that attracts me
> >> profoundly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, I'm no Luddite but I am sympathetic to those who worry about
> > the negative fallout of "progress". He did wonders with wood I must
> > say.
>
> I'll agree with that. I am thinking of those who find it a viable notion
> that mankind would be "better off" living in the trees and nit-picking.
> Besides the aesthetic repulsion I feel at this, I doubt seriously whtehr
> or not it is achievable,
Whew, I wouldn't want to go that far. A more sustainable lifestyle in
the West is a more modest and achievable goal. Technology (of certain
types) would be a help in that case.
although a massive World War might effect such
> a bit of business.
Let us hope not. The third sequel is always the worst,
> >
> >
> >
> > I found
> >
> >> his brother's actions (in turning him in) to be as honorable as
> >> possible given the circumstances, and his insistence on the
> >> government not seeking the death penalty, which - of course - the
> >> government tried to go back on. I admire Tim more than I admire the
> >> government, if that's an indicator of anything.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder if Ted writes anything in prison...
>
> If he does - and I think it is highly probably he does - it is unlikely
> we'll be seeing it.
...unless they can figure out a way to profitably market it.
Morpheal
I definitely do not want to know any of those girls that do it
with horses, chickens and pigs. Shudder.
R.
Kwigd144
Kwigd144
example of your work in Cyberactivism?
Morpheal
That ought to ascertain whether you are in fact the mother you seem to
be.
R.
Brandon Freels
http://www.surrealism-usa.org/pages/news_iraq.html
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Morpheal
It's all over. You Brandon are it, and we are only counting to fifteen
before we do the nasty thing.
R.