daily Surrealism
CHENNO
Call it curosity,or what you will, but many aspects of surrealism are debated
here,
What is it I ask ,that you do on a "daily basis" that constitutes surreal acts?
I am almost wondering if "g.v.w. does not have a valid point to the group,
where is it really going? it is more of a debate than vital information. I for
one left for awhile due to the routine cycle the posts tend to pattern, I came
back as some of the people are very interesting and at times the knowledge is
amazing.
and I must admit I never saw a group that can argue a point in a more
aggressive and creative level.
But back to the question...what is you do in a day that applies to surrealism?
Examples?
Brandon J. Freels
Daydream
Dream
Scribble
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Overwhelm
CHENNO
Chenno::: Thanks Brandon, Than I guess my day would qualify, What about...
Painting,writing,Love,anger,passion ,strong belief,Uncontrollable
urges,standing apart from the crowd...
Good day to you
Chenno ô¿ô
Painting is silent poetry, and poetry painting that speaks. - Simonides
Andrea Chen
>
> Call it curosity,or what you will, but many aspects of surrealism are debated
> here,
> What is it I ask ,that you do on a "daily basis" that constitutes surreal acts?
>
Hi Chenno:
I recently posed a possible experiment (which Brandon said didn't
belong to surrealism, but science fiction.)
This was based on a discussion with a waitress I knew. There had been
a regular with an invible friend and we'd talked about him and then she
told me about the time 3 completely separate people with invisible
friends showed for the graveyard shift and by the end of the shift she
was starting to see them.
So I suggested a few people or a few dozen travel through some
neighborhood holding discussions with their invisible friends. At the
very least this would flip a few realities and pose questions on
identity and reality as varous invisible friends got in discussions.
If the dialogue was done well it would be great art.
Taken a little further it can throw light on what I consider a
fundamental question. Is technique enough to define surrealism or (as
according to Brandon, Dale and Bartlett) does surrealism require some
progressive focus.
For example suppose this project was brainstormed by the "Committee To
Reelect Dan Quayle President" (no I didn't make this up he did) and the
actors handed out cards saying "Dan Quayle your invisible friend."
According to the official surrealists this couldn't be surrealism, but
only weird.
But suppose the committee was secretly controlled by surrealist who
thought electing Dan Quayle was the best way to undermine society and
change society as we know it? Would this act then be surrealist?
These are issues I've raised over and over. No one dares answer. Yet
they are fundamental to modern art, social analysis and all other aras
which deal with the complexities and levels of communication.
It can be argued that the original surrealism was very involved in such
issues. Why do those who officially claim to carry the banner avoid
them?
scot...@earthlink.net
>Good Morning
>
>Call it curosity,or what you will, but many aspects of surrealism are debated
>here,
>What is it I ask ,that you do on a "daily basis" that constitutes surreal acts?
>
>I am almost wondering if "g.v.w. does not have a valid point to the group,
>where is it really going? it is more of a debate than vital information. I for
>one left for awhile due to the routine cycle the posts tend to pattern, I came
>back as some of the people are very interesting and at times the knowledge is
>amazing.
>
>and I must admit I never saw a group that can argue a point in a more
>aggressive and creative level.
>
>But back to the question...what is you do in a day that applies to surrealism?
>
>Examples?
A week ago I was in Fargo. About midnight on Thursday I went into
Speck’s Bar. I was looking for the bull. I thought it was in Speck’s
or Rick’s. I couldn’t remember which.
As I walked by the bar I heard a comment: "Who the fuck is that."
There was no bull. I started to leave.
This biker says: "You want to fuck my women or what." He was talking
to me. Two fat women beside him began to laugh.
Another guy says: "Who the fuck are you."
I didn’t expect this. I had to hide a grin.
I turned and quickly walked to the biker. He shrugs and says: "No
speak english". I said: "Where’s the bull. There was a bull here.
It was some time ago. A mechanical bull."
The biker just shrugs.
The other guy says: "hey, ya... but it was at Rick’s. They took it
out about fifteen years ago. Who the fuck are you. You look like
Richard Speck."
I began to laugh and said, "I think that fuckers dead."
He says to the Biker, "That guy looks like Richard Speck. Hey man, do
you know who Richard Speck is?"
The biker says: "Who?"
I say, "Ya... Thanks, about the bull. Take care of yourselves." And I
left the bar laughing.
The next day I heard there’d been a stabbing in a bar on Thursday
night. I wondered if it happened at Speck’s. I was told it was
probably Speck’s. I wondered if my intrusion was the beginning of
some kind of chain of events. I never bothered to check where the
stabbing took place.
Brandon J. Freels
Andrea Chen wrote
> I recently posed a possible experiment (which Brandon said didn't
> belong to surrealism, but science fiction.)
Fuck you, bitch. You're a whore! I don't even know what you're talking
about, slut!
Andrea Chen
>
> scottyes...That is very freaky...but,is is surreal? or is is a freak happening?
> I guess the point would be, it is surreal by each individuals opinion:) much of
> the debate it seems is what is considered surreal..
>
It seems a bit gonzo. I would argue ther are places where gozo
intersects with the surreal. There are also the tactics of the
sixties, the yippies and the hog farmers and others embraced both.
Post being discussed follows:
g.v.w. iv
CHENNO wrote:
> scottyes...That is very freaky...but,is is surreal? or is is a freak happening?
> I guess the point would be, it is surreal by each individuals opinion:) much of
> the debate it seems is what is considered surreal..
>
> Enjoy your fourth:)
Thanks! (regards, from the ''iv.'')
> Chenno ôżô
>
> Painting is silent poetry, and poetry painting that speaks. - Simonides
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Brandon J. Freels
This is what Chen wants from Dale, Barrett, and myself. It was not directed
at you, but was meant to please her appetite. Soon she will talk about how
she upset me and all this jabber. The hope is that eventually she will go
away.
CHENNO <che...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990702211056...@ng-ca1.aol.com...
> Brandon wrote:
> Fuck you, bitch. You're a whore! I don't even know what you're talking
> about, slut!
>
>
> Chenno replies: Jesus, that must make you feel like a real man! I think
> responding with class is much more dignified,why insult everyone with this
> shit!
> C"mon Brandon, grow up
CHENNO
I guess the point would be, it is surreal by each individuals opinion:) much of
the debate it seems is what is considered surreal..
Enjoy your fourth:)
CHENNO
Taken a little further it can throw light on what I consider a
fundamental question. Is technique enough to define surrealism or (as
according to Brandon, Dale and Bartlett) does surrealism require some
progressive focus.
Chenno wrote:
Hi there, I first wanna say, I would be very willing to try the invisible
friend , I think it evokes the imagination and creativity, not to mention the
triggered response you would get from others over a simple act.
As far as" Is technique enough to define surrealism" I believe it can ,yet I
also believe it requires focus as well...The line between many things puzzle
me, as far as definitions of surreal acts or thoughts? I believe it is differnt
in many ways to many people.The core of surrealism as a whole can be defined or
translated, it just take a turn with each enterpretur...Do you see my meaning
somewhere in this?
Happy fourth:)
CHENNO
Fuck you, bitch. You're a whore! I don't even know what you're talking
about, slut!
Chenno replies: Jesus, that must make you feel like a real man! I think
responding with class is much more dignified,why insult everyone with this
shit!
C"mon Brandon, grow up
CHENNO
This is what Chen wants from Dale, Barrett, and myself. It was not directed
at you, but was meant to please her appetite. Soon she will talk about how
she upset me and all this jabber. The hope is that eventually she will go
away.
Brandon...Did not mean to blowmy lid, I just hate those choice words, but it
was not my argument, so excuse the attack, I just felt you were capable of a
more dignified response...Sometimes not allowing others to pull us to levels
helps us rise above,
Have a safe and fun 4th:)
Dale Houstman
CHENNO wrote:
>
> Brandon wrote:
> Fuck you, bitch. You're a whore! I don't even know what you're talking
> about, slut!
>
> Chenno replies: Jesus, that must make you feel like a real man! I think
> responding with class is much more dignified,why insult everyone with this
> shit!
> C"mon Brandon, grow up
Your "class" is no more illuminating than Brandon's salaciousness, and
(in this case) much less to the point. And though I do not adopt
Brandon's stance in this instance, often such retorts appear to be the
only legitimate response to Andrea's belligerent and willful destruction
of discourse. She has (from day one) done nothing but attack simple
comments and questions addressed to the nature of surrealism. Her
comments are only meant to disrupt, and she is succesful, especially
since she seems peculiarly attractive to delusional sewer-minds and
low-brow sentimentalists. In fact her aggression is a form of
sentimentalism no less destructive to deeper and wider considerations
than the Hallmark variety.
Why she has such a longstanding and overbearing distrust of all who do
not share her notions of empty rhetoric is not a question I can answer.
Your solicitousness toward her is easy to grasp however: she tickled you
in the right places and you rolled over like a puppy.
DMH
Dale Houstman
CHENNO wrote:
>
>
> Brandon...Did not mean to blowmy lid, I just hate those choice words, but it
> was not my argument, so excuse the attack, I just felt you were capable of a
> more dignified response...Sometimes not allowing others to pull us to levels
> helps us rise above,
>
> Have a safe and fun 4th:)
This is all well-intentioned I am sure; but diginty is wasted on Andrea
and her cadaver hounds. The fact that you have not noticed this is not
exactly a mark in your column. "Dignity" at any rate is not unlike
"taste" and is more a term of the tearoom than the ng. There is no
single way to address the "crisis of Andrea" since ALL responses are
taken by her as one more volley in some imaginary war she is waging
against cohesion of thought. In this war you might take the part of the
Princess who is charmingly unaware of the "proclivities" of her Nazi
lover, and thus lends her solace and money to the purchase of the
hallucinatory ovens. Or perhaps you might take the role of the sheltered
countess who slowly (if agonizingly) rises out of blissful (and
tasteful) ignorance (diguised as royal dignity) and into a larger
understanding of the issues involved. This is not to say (as Chen and
her lab mice will have it) that you are to agree with every (or even
every other!) word I or barrett or any other self-professed amateur of
surrealism speaks; but I don't see how it will harm you to begin an
engagement on the subject of surrealism that (at least) does not involve
telling us (insistently) that surrealism is non-existent, or a fool's
game. This can only be the beginning of a long downward spiral which
will only injure you, since (despite all the empty "mind games" of the
opposite camp) I have flourished nicely within my notions of surrealism,
and have watched its principles and theories (at the very least) art
work in my life and in the lives of others. This is not a religion,
since it involves no rigid rules of conduct, and celebrates individual
desires. It is not an aesthetic movement, since art is only a small
(though not unworthy) part of its attention and intent.
Andrea is a bore.
DMH
g.v.w. iv
> CHENNO wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Brandon...Did not mean to blowmy lid, I just hate those choice words, but it
> > was not my argument, so excuse the attack, I just felt you were capable of a
> > more dignified response...Sometimes not allowing others to pull us to levels
> > helps us rise above,
> >
> > Have a safe and fun 4th:)
>
> This is all well-intentioned I am sure ...
[...] a shit-storm of unrelenting Dale-Blather omitted
> desires. It is not an aesthetic movement, since art is only a small
> (though not unworthy) part of its attention and intent.
Yawn.
> Andrea is a bore.
How grimly ironic that you would call anyone *else* boring.
>
> DMH
Dale Houstman
Dear New Manager,
I have noticed that your little paper hat has slid quite often to the
side of your little paper head while you are salting your own wounds.
Could you attend to this? The customers have begun to find you a rather
dyspepsic
presence.
Sincerely yours,
Ray Kroc
Perceptor
> On 02 Jul 1999 16:11:28 GMT, che...@aol.com (CHENNO) wrote:
>
> >Good Morning
> >
> >Call it curosity,or what you will, but many aspects of surrealism are debated
> >here,
> >What is it I ask ,that you do on a "daily basis" that constitutes surreal acts?
> >
> >I am almost wondering if "g.v.w. does not have a valid point to the group,
> >where is it really going? it is more of a debate than vital information. I for
> >one left for awhile due to the routine cycle the posts tend to pattern, I came
> >back as some of the people are very interesting and at times the knowledge is
> >amazing.
> >
> >and I must admit I never saw a group that can argue a point in a more
> >aggressive and creative level.
> >
> >But back to the question...what is you do in a day that applies to surrealism?
I think that is what happens when the paths of synchronicity and deja vu
intersect intermittently.
CHENNO
g.v.w. iv
> Dear New Manager,
''Sir'' will do. Now back to the deep-fat fryers with you, acne-scar boy.
And keep your penis out of the meat grinder.
Andrea Chen
definition (by Dale or Brandon I forget which) was something like the
overcoming of "artificial restrictions" (I suspect I shall be flamed for
faulty memory.)
Love does at times do this, overcoming barriers of class and race among
other things.
It can also enhance our perceptions which I believe is another aspect
of surrealism offered.
There is a darker side. Love often distorts our perceptions. Often we
encounter the reality of the other with a clash. One of my beliefs is
the grand language of surrealism offered in this group can create
similar hallucinations. We have all seen the homeless refugees of the
sixties and more recent "alternative lifestyles" who often believed in
fine sounding words and followed these words to their consequences.
I believe any model of the unconscious or the group consciousnes we
call society must show the dark side. Thus I am using such images as
Kafka's trial, the mindless pounding of humans on each other, though
only as a game. I'm sure Dale etc. know I'm joking and can't really
expell them from this group. But sometimes I think they pretend with
fervor, tthis is a releasing of the imagination whether it's liberation
or not I don't know.
Your point about (I paraphrase) technique providing the power, but
needing some guidance I agree with. I will also admit that my methods
taken by themselves stress too much the dangerous aspects inherant in
us. And I seem to attract those who exhibit these (note that almost
everyone who rally hates me has many enemies (which doesn't make me
"good" or "justified.)
Your value to this group is that you provide a counter. You do remind
us that there are other ways.
BUT (big but) simply being a gentle flickering being may not be
enough. The reason why so many of us get caught in loops of destruction
is that there is no active counter.
I would suggest that a first step towards a surrealist life would be
some tenacity. For example I think the issue of love (and this is a gut
feeling) is fundamental which is why I raise it and reraise it, BUT if
it's important to you perhaps you should do the same and find groups
where they might approach it with fervor.
I wish you might slowly build a greater assertion. You have much to
offer. You would be a better leader than Breton who was filled with so
many of the emotions which sabatoge this group.
Chenno as Empress!!
I claim that to be truly surrealist and a kinder and gentle surrealism.
Brandon J. Freels
Wasn't that one of Breton's favorite words?
Dale Houstman
Grease Trap Manager Ivy wrote:
> How grimly ironic that you would call anyone *else* boring.
How grimly ironic that you would call anyone *else* "a human butt
plug"
scot...@earthlink.net
>scottyes...That is very freaky...but,is is surreal? or is is a freak happening?
>I guess the point would be, it is surreal by each individuals opinion:) much of
>the debate it seems is what is considered surreal..
>
>Enjoy your fourth:)
>Chenno ôżô
>
>Painting is silent poetry, and poetry painting that speaks. - Simonides
>
>
No, the text is not surreal. It is only the reporting of something
that happened. What happened also is not surreal. What happened
is only what happened.
You originally asked:
>...what is you do in a day that applies to surrealism?
The fact that I was a participant in the experience described, was in
the context of your original question, a kind of indicator that on
that day I was living my life right. I don't know if that makes any
sense to you.
CHENNO
The fact that I was a participant in the experience described, was in
the context of your original question, a kind of indicator that on
that day I was living my life right. I don't know if that makes any
sense to you.
Chenno wrote:
Scotteys, it makes all the sense in the world and thanks for sharing it...:) I
should also add, I went down to the lake to celebrate the festivities of the
fireworks and all and enjoying the bands and summer drinks, and the damn
humidity....as sweat beads fall from my head....anyway, my evening was cut
short as this guy that was at one of the beer tents jamming to these really
great tunes had way way way to much to drink and decided to decorate my entire
outfit with barf......eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww to say the least it is 100 in the
shade and I came home to get his spew off me...so that was my exciting fourth
of july!!! oops I might add...as I laugh my butt off repeating this....as he
was losing his cookies he said maggie which is not my name...lol the birds in
the oven are to warm.....I said,sure buddy,I will take care of that, are you
okay? can I call someone for you?He said...no maggie I will sleep in the
sun...well on that note some guy said he shares a place with him he would take
him home...So I guess that constitutes as a real trippy evening...
All I can say is whoever maggie is, she better get those damn birds out of the
oven???
Be Well
Angie
Dave Rogers
aren't going to get onto our computers to find it. Probably, we'll smoke
some dope or shoot some junk into the big vein in our eyeballs and then go
to the fucking mall. Regardless, we don't need this crap cross threaded
with the serious work we got going on here.
Thank you,
Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:377CA8...@earthlink.net...
> >
> >
> > Call it curosity,or what you will, but many aspects of surrealism are
debated
> > here,
> > What is it I ask ,that you do on a "daily basis" that constitutes
surreal acts?
> >
>
>
> Hi Chenno:
>
> I recently posed a possible experiment (which Brandon said didn't
> belong to surrealism, but science fiction.)
>
> This was based on a discussion with a waitress I knew. There had been
> a regular with an invible friend and we'd talked about him and then she
> told me about the time 3 completely separate people with invisible
> friends showed for the graveyard shift and by the end of the shift she
> was starting to see them.
>
> So I suggested a few people or a few dozen travel through some
> neighborhood holding discussions with their invisible friends. At the
> very least this would flip a few realities and pose questions on
> identity and reality as varous invisible friends got in discussions.
>
> If the dialogue was done well it would be great art.
>
> Taken a little further it can throw light on what I consider a
> fundamental question. Is technique enough to define surrealism or (as
> according to Brandon, Dale and Bartlett) does surrealism require some
> progressive focus.
>
Dale Houstman
Dave Rogers wrote:
>
> Can you please get this crap off the gonzo board? If we want surreal, we
> aren't going to get onto our computers to find it. Probably, we'll smoke
> some dope or shoot some junk into the big vein in our eyeballs and then go
> to the fucking mall. Regardless, we don't need this crap cross threaded
> with the serious work we got going on here.
>
It is hopeless; Andrea and her cadaver hounds (who have recently
enlisted the less-than-sparkling talents of one Picnic Mac) are
attracted by your anger. In fact it is their one mission in life to
promote the outbursts without which they have no being. You are doomed
to listen to their inane self-absorption as they chatter amongst
themselves, contradicting one another at each turn, but bound tightly by
their bile-lines. Their delusion is hermetically sealked against
intelligence or dignity. They think they are funny because they have
nothing to say and say it so often. This is funny coming from 5-year
olds, which (to be kind) I have begun assuming they are. They will soon
declare themselves "the new managers of gonzo" and proceed to amuse
themselves by sticking pins in their asses in lieu of conversation and
self-growth.
Good luck!
DMH