Dinosaurs We Are
Carson
Surfers will go the way of the dinosaurs.
If this is in question, then please try to compare the water quality that
you surf in now to the water quality that you surfed in 10 years ago... it
has gotten worse in most places on this planet. Think about this as you get
in the water over the next couple of days to catch the building WNW swell
that God is blessing us with.
This should not be news. Please don't think that this message is intended
to support any current political or quasi-political agenda either... it's
not (Carson could never be that organized). It's just a very sobering
issue. And as an avid surfer it is an issue that is increasingly hard to
ignore.
OK. So here is the Carson challenge: Submit ideas for some solutions to
this problem where surfers can make the difference.
There is an extremely high caliber of individuals in this ng (at least there
is when you subtract the Carsons, lemmingwears, j'bs, and foon whiners). So
let's see if you can manage a meaningful response to this relevant and
personal issue we all share.
Perhaps you are thinking, why should we listen to a drunk?. The best answer
that Carson can offer is WHY NOT?
And although this ng's science and pseudoscience thinkers and practitioners
are especially encouraged to post, please don't limit us to their input
alone.
Will the ocean die in our lifetime? Probably not. But let's hope that
surfing and surfers will exist at least as long as mankind does.
- Carson (come up against sobriety lately... knocked that shaky bastard
right off that wagon!)
p.s. willy-we-are-borg, did Carson get the spelling and grammar right this
time?
johnw
>
> OK. So here is the Carson challenge: Submit ideas for some solutions to
> this problem where surfers can make the difference.
Here's something really cool my brothers down in NYC did last summer:
As usual the fuckups who manage the environment are not looking ahead.
To quote the Coen brothers, some of these people "couldn't find their
ass if it had a bell on it."
So the geniuses are dredging NY harbor so the ships can get through. A
noble goal and shipping is important, but they don't know where to put
the spoils. Imagine what the bottom silt of NY harbor is like. Probably
glows. I picture another "lost garbage barge" episode where the stinking
floating dump is shuttled from state to state along the east coast,
festering and steaming, and where does it go? Who knows.
So my friend down there, who surfs on LI and in NJ and does some great
work for the Earth and others, organized a paddle protest. He got about
12 people together to paddle out into NY harbor, striaght off Battery
Park at the south tip of Manhattan, in the middle of the day on a work
day. They did it up right, notifying the tv press and print press. Some
of them are activists in Surver's Environmental Alliance and attorneys
and they knew how to maximize exposure. So during lunch hour they grab
their boards and stroll through Battery Park, in wetsuits. Suited worker
drones are baffled and amazed, almost dropping their wonder bread.
Someone asked one of them, "Hey is this some kind of model shoot?" He
answered, "Uh, yeah." Just as the cops were approaching they started
jumping off the 15' (?) rock "pier" there at the end of the park and
they paddle out. They form a ring and make a little statement.
Afterwards, at least one got some good quotes on the local evening tv
newscast. I'd like to write about the organizer's (a friend of mine)
vision for a mag. They are passionate surfers down there.
Regarding other ideas, as we know picking up trash on the beach is the
easiest and sets a good example every time you walk off out of the
water. Try not to drive so much. I've noticed people who live in cities
and the country walk. In the 'burbs, they drive, even a few hundred
yards to the corner store. Suburbs suck. Vote on environmental
initiatives. Organize beach cleanups. Write letters to the editor about
companies like WR Grace here in Cambriege Mass. who a few years ago
illegally trashed the Charles R. which feeds int the sea and was
completely fucking arrogant about it. They will burn in hell.
I have many more ideas and practices but I'm tired of typing.
> - Carson (come up against sobriety lately... knocked that shaky bastard
> right off that wagon!)
I wouldn't drink so much ale in the evening if I could find some herbs.
But I'd still drink some ale!!!
-johnw
Doc
johnw wrote in message <3638FF...@tiac.net>...
>Carson wrote:
>
>>
>> OK. So here is the Carson challenge: Submit ideas for some solutions to
>> this problem where surfers can make the difference.
>
>Here's something really cool my brothers down in NYC did last summer:
>
<sliced>
" Just as the cops were approaching they started
>jumping off the 15' (?) rock "pier" there at the end of the park and
>they paddle out. They form a ring and make a little statement.
>
I hate to say it.....but making a statement ain't _solving_ a problem. What
it is is getting the attention of those who will be making a solution .
Carson's on to something. What kind of solutions come directly and wholly
from surfers, not from a few making noise at the media?
Doc
David Henderson
>
Boicot industrialised products.
Seriously now: Has any one here ever taken an inventory of the amount
of waste we generate by using the products we use. If you live somewhere
where you just dispose of wrappings into an old bin and never see 'em
agaion you probably don't realise how much garbage you generate. At home
we have to take our litter to a collection place some way down the road
so I get to cart of 100litre plastic bags full of our garbage on a
frequent basis (07 member house hold). Have you ever thought what
changes would be necessary in order to avoid generating so much garbage.
Everything today is beautifully packaged in this or that type of
wrapping. The industrial processes for what we eat and what it is packed
in generates loads of pollution.
The hope is that technological advances may cancel out much of the
damage done by our depending on industrialisation. It would also be
interesting, on the other hand, to see an attempt to become less
dependant... a back to nature deal...
What can we do as surfers? Travel less by jet plane? Eat less junk food?
Drink less canned products? Body surf with no fins? How far does one
really want to sacrifice one's "comfort" for future generations?
Over to you guys for your views...
Tim
topic, but then that hasn't stopped me before! <bg>
David Henderson wrote:
> Carson wrote:
> >
>
> Boicot industrialised products.
>
> Seriously now: Has any one here ever taken an inventory of the amount
> of waste we generate by using the products we use.
probably.
>... If you live somewhere
> where you just dispose of wrappings into an old bin and never see 'em
> agaion you probably don't realise how much garbage you generate. At home
> we have to take our litter to a collection place some way down the road
> so I get to cart of 100litre plastic bags full of our garbage on a
> frequent basis (07 member house hold). Have you ever thought what
> changes would be necessary in order to avoid generating so much garbage.
here in the UK....in the town I live in there is a fortnightly collection of
recyclable materials, which (hopefully) people will have put into different bags
from their normal rubbish. Paper and cardboard, plastics and tins. It's
beginning to catch on. In the neighbouring town, special solid plastic boxes
have been given to each household to put these recyclables in. There is a vast
sorting depot nearby with clever machinery which separates out the various kinds
of recyclables automatically. Judging from the street I live in, it was a slow
start, but a year or so into it, more and more people are actually keeping their
recyclable waste separate. Generally-speaking, people are decent and want to
do the right thing, if they pointed in the right direction and are shown that it
is the right thing to do. So in time, things will improve (he says, hopefully).
> Everything today is beautifully packaged in this or that type of
> wrapping. The industrial processes for what we eat and what it is packed
> in generates loads of pollution.
>
> The hope is that technological advances may cancel out much of the
> damage done by our depending on industrialisation. It would also be
> interesting, on the other hand, to see an attempt to become less
> dependant... a back to nature deal...
as we move into the next millenium, the age of Aquarius - thoughtfulness? - I
think that this will begin to happen.
> What can we do as surfers? Travel less by jet plane? Eat less junk food?
> Drink less canned products? Body surf with no fins? How far does one
> really want to sacrifice one's "comfort" for future generations?
what is a future generation? We have all been here before! When everyone
realises that we are messing the world up for our own future lives, then we'll
all begin to take this thing seriously, since being selfish will mean doing the
right thing by the environment.
> Over to you guys for your views...
Anyone disbelieving the statement above ('we have all been here before) should
get hold of and read a copy of 'Only Love is Real' by Dr Brian Weiss, which is
about past life regression.
- Tim
Tom Keener
>... Just as the cops were approaching they started
>jumping off the 15' (?) rock "pier" there at the end of the park and
>they paddle out. They form a ring and make a little statement.
Cops? Why did the cops show up? Were they doing something illegal?
Tom Keener
keensurf_at_cts_dot_com
Timothy B. Maddux
David Henderson <pan...@ibm.net> wrote:
>Has any one here ever taken an inventory of the amount
>of waste we generate by using the products we use.
Yes. Read "Stuff: The Materials the World is Made of,"
by Ivan Amato. Here's a link to it at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380731533/qid=909772295/sr=1-1/002-9207087-8090420
>How far does one really want to sacrifice one's
>"comfort" for future generations?
Buy mostly organic, unpackaged foods from local
farmers. Recycle and buy recycled products. Ride
a bike to work instead of driving. Put your money into
the bank for a surf trip or give it to environmental
causes (like buying back the coastal Carpinteria
Bluffs which overlook the backside of Rincon),
or work less and spend more time at the beach
and picking up trash.
I find that with all of these it turns out to
not be a sacrifice but another form of comfort.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Ocean Engineering Lab, UCSB
.` .`~ http://www.me.ucsb.edu/~tbmaddux/
_.-' '._ "From the essence of pure stoke springs all creation."
johnw
> >
> it is is getting the attention of those who will be making a solution .
Um, hey crab apple, did you read my whole post? I gave five or six solid
individual surfer suggestions to really make a dif. Any comment on that?
Plus, if you're saying Surfer's Environmental Alliance isn't making a
difference you got your head in the sand.
> Carson's on to something. What kind of solutions come directly and wholly
> from surfers, not from a few making noise at the media?
Nothing wrong with making noise as long as you're doing something.
-johnw
Carson
After surfing Newb's today it could never be clearer (not the water... the
problem).
We got a little rain storm here last night, so all of the wonderful stuff
that is deposited into our storm drains (mostly by people who don't surf)
was floating in the line up. It seems like it made the surf a little sick
too. So what can we do?
Carson runs a very rigid anti-pollution campaign in his local area. Anytime
he sees someone washing their vehicle he stops to ask if they're using
environmentally friendly auto wash. If their answer is no then he proceeds
to explain the problem they are causing. Sometimes this creates an argument
(if you're dealing with an asshole), but most of the time people agree that
it is a problem and agree to buy environmentally friendly detergent for the
next time. At least it is hopefully creating some awareness of the problem.
Of course, there is no real enforcement.
He will lambaste idiots who leave trash on the beach, and even go to
fist-to-cuffs with them if necessary (only when sober).
Carson doesn't like to be a cop (they wouldn't want to be Carson either),
but if you don't at least say something to people then they usually won't
figure it out on their own.
So maybe that's what this is all about... taking some initiative to make a
difference. After all, we surfers are effected by this more than almost
anyone else.
- Carson (shaky is as shaky does)
Timothy B. Maddux
>surfing will die with it... the Carson challenge:
>where surfers can make the difference.
With the election coming up on Nov. 3rd
the best and easiest thing you can do is
vote and vote green.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Ocean Engineering Lab, UCSB
.` .`~ Santa Barbara Surfing - http://www.me.ucsb.edu/~tbmaddux/
_.-' '._ "The waves, as always, hold the more insidious addiction."
Carson
jb wrote:
> Your water quality is a direct result of the population that pisses
> all over mother nature in San Diego, and California. Face it,
> California is a filthy state. Too many people live there with money
> who love raping the land. California is no secret. California is the
> most raped and molested state in the Union. It's a disgrace.
>
> Cool ideas and thoughts used to come out of Califonia, no more.
> Instead California is now dishing out PC crap to the rest of the
> nation. What is it about you Califonians that make you feel it is
> your right to tell others how to live? California is a crap ass
> example for running a state. Too many posers in Califonia. Everyone
> is scared to admit who they are.
Yeah, this coming from a guy who surfs in the gulf of mexico... probably the most
tar-riddren, toxic-waste-dump-accommodating, toilet filtering stagnant pond this
side of the globe. But then again, where else is there to try surfing in your
neck of the woods.
In case you haven't lusted over it lately, look at all of the wave action in the
north eastern pacific.
Now grab a hold of Carson's belt loop show he show his new bitch off around the
party.
- Carson (drinking is fine company)
jb
On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, "Carson" <c...@h2ozone.net> wrote:
>
> The ocean is dying, and unless it is stopped surfing will die with it.
>
Boo fucking hoo!
> Surfers will go the way of the dinosaurs.
>
No, drunks like Carson will go the way of the DooDoo bird.
> If this is in question, then please try to compare the water quality that
> you surf in now to the water quality that you surfed in 10 years ago... it
> has gotten worse in most places on this planet. Think about this as you get
> in the water over the next couple of days to catch the building WNW swell
> that God is blessing us with.
>
Your water quality is a direct result of the population that pisses
all over mother nature in San Diego, and California. Face it,
California is a filthy state. Too many people live there with money
who love raping the land. California is no secret. California is the
most raped and molested state in the Union. It's a disgrace.
Cool ideas and thoughts used to come out of Califonia, no more.
Instead California is now dishing out PC crap to the rest of the
nation. What is it about you Califonians that make you feel it is
your right to tell others how to live? California is a crap ass
example for running a state. Too many posers in Califonia. Everyone
is scared to admit who they are.
> This should not be news. Please don't think that this message is intended
> to support any current political or quasi-political agenda either... it's
> not (Carson could never be that organized). It's just a very sobering
> issue. And as an avid surfer it is an issue that is increasingly hard to
> ignore.
>
Carson is a drunk ... What more do we need to hear from your tired
ass?
> OK. So here is the Carson challenge: Submit ideas for some solutions to
> this problem where surfers can make the difference.
>
Whoa! Carson presents a challenge besides a drinking contest??? Now
this is news!
> - Carson (come up against sobriety lately... knocked that shaky bastard
> right off that wagon!)
>
> p.s. willy-we-are-borg, did Carson get the spelling and grammar right this
> time?
Carson, slide up next ot Uncle jb and let him slap his gator against
your wide-eyed cherry cheeks.
- jb (200lbs of Al Gore ass kicking surf muscle)
jb
>
>
> jb wrote:
>
> > Your water quality is a direct result of the population that pisses
> > all over mother nature in San Diego, and California. Face it,
> > California is a filthy state. Too many people live there with money
> > who love raping the land. California is no secret. California is the
> > most raped and molested state in the Union. It's a disgrace.
> >
>
> tar-riddren, toxic-waste-dump-accommodating, toilet filtering stagnant pond this
> side of the globe. But then again, where else is there to try surfing in your
> neck of the woods.
>
First off, the Texas coast has been receiving swell all Summer and
into the Fall. During this time us Texans have not had to wear any
rubber. Good beach break, good vibes, and warm water waves. Can't
say that about California.
Second, Texas beaches have never been closed due to bacteria or any
other life threatening disease, such as your precious California. In
fact, Southern California had more than 2000 beach closings this past
year. California is a disgrace to the nation. It is the most raped
state in the Union.
- jb (Republic of Texas--and damn proud of it!)
Tom Keener
> Face it,
>California is a filthy state. Too many people live there with money
>who love raping the land. California is no secret. California is the
>most raped and molested state in the Union. It's a disgrace.
>
>Cool ideas and thoughts used to come out of Califonia, no more.
>Instead California is now dishing out PC crap to the rest of the
>nation. What is it about you Califonians that make you feel it is
>your right to tell others how to live? California is a crap ass
>example for running a state. Too many posers in Califonia. Everyone
>is scared to admit who they are.
Whether this is true or not, (& I don't think it is,) 95% of the
assholes here came from some other state, such as Texas. We were just
too hospitable to stop them.
Tom Keener
keensurf_at_cts_dot_com
jb
Yeah right. Texas is taking on more Californians in the Austin area
than California is taking on Texans. Texas has jobs, Texas has no
state income tax, Texas is a whole other country, Texas has flights to
Central America RT for $280 bucks. Texas is tropical.
Now grip your nut sack and give one to the Gipper.
- jb (200lbs of perfected surf muscle)
> keensurf_at_cts_dot_com
Lckahuna
>than California is taking on Texans. Texas has jobs, Texas has no
>state income tax, Texas is a whole other country,
That is a recent trend I would say over the last 10 to 20 years I'm sure the
net flow has been more out of staters coming in than going out. BTW most of us
from the Golden State that were born and raised are not about to leave
especially for some shit hole state like Texas
LC
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes
Henry David Thoreau
Tauras
jb wrote in message <36462aae...@151.164.30.36>...
>
>Yeah right. Texas is taking on more Californians in the Austin area
>than California is taking on Texans. Texas has jobs, Texas has no
>state income tax, Texas is a whole other country, Texas has flights to
>Central America RT for $280 bucks. Texas is tropical.
I also hear Texas has a barbed wire border around it to try to keep the BS
in....
Guess its not working much these days ;)
Tauras
http://www.slonet.org/~tsulaiti/
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