more pics - blacks 9/15/05
surfgeo
surfcam site. *apparently* they prefer to post only gulf coast photos,
although they accept shots from many peoples' surf travels...
i would think they would be proud to post pics of texans surfing other
places as well as pics taken by texas photographers in other places.
at least is directly attributed to a local texan, and it beats the crap
out of the endless crappy instamatic shots from 100 yds away of
knee-high crap, but oh well, its their baby.....
the norris shots not withstanding - he does some mighty fine work - as
well as a few other folks - but the majority of shots posted at the
site are soooo ho-hum.
so, without further ado:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/surfgeorigby/album?.dir=3be0&.src=ph
lots of sequences there, so do the slideshow and keep clicking "next"
for maximum enjoyment.. ;-)
it was one of those foggy-sunny days, a lot of mist between camera and
surf, and in a few places it seemed to confuse the autofocus or
something, one nice deep barrel sequence in particular is blurry but i
cant quite figure out why - i added a uv filterand it was spotlessly
clean as was the lens, and thats not it weither because other shots
came out fine, so it was something to do with the fogginess that day i
guess. other wildlife shots i have taken since then are fine as well.
oh well. just keep shooting and troubleshooting...
also added the HB/wedcge stuff:
surfgeo
lhnaegs wrote:
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>
> Excellent Slide Shows. Thanks.
>
> G
why, thank you bawb (bowing humbly in appreciation)
are you trying to sweet talk me??? lol
Howlee
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>
Nice pics. What kind of camera did you use?
Surfer Bob
> Excellent Slide Shows. Thanks.
I am not EVEN embarrassed to agree with Gleshna on this count.
Good work senor.
Surfer Bob
lp
> *apparently* i have exceeded my quota of posting surf pics at our local
> surfcam site. *apparently* they prefer to post only gulf coast photos,
> although they accept shots from many peoples' surf travels...
>
> i would think they would be proud to post pics of texans surfing other
> places as well as pics taken by texas photographers in other places.
> at least is directly attributed to a local texan, and it beats the crap
> out of the endless crappy instamatic shots from 100 yds away of
> knee-high crap, but oh well, its their baby.....
they have to pay for space.
you may just be trying to upload too many big images.
i looked at your shots. you have some nice ones and some nice sequences.
imho (not trying to offend), what you don't have is somebody culling the
good images from the mediocre ones. maybe if you did more editing the
quota limit wouldn't matter. btw - those sequences take up a lot of
space. other than that, just use other photo servers.
(the following comments are not specific to the pictures linked in this
thread, but more an opinion to get people thinking about their images
before they get to the beach)
here's a general thought about photography and art. not that anybody in
this ng cares, or has asparations or an incination to have the cover
shot on a surf publication, but i'll throw in my 2 cents for the sake of
discussion.
i think the massive amount of images out there these days has to do with
using digital cameras. not having to worry about the cost of film gives
people incentive to take more shots. unfortunately, i've seen so many
shots where a single image or few images could (IMO) tell a better or
more compelling story.
i remember one time george and awe were snickering to each other about
slide shows and the like (btw - this may be real or just fictional to
make a point). it seems real photographers try to boil down the essence
of an experience into a single shot. that is art. this other stuff, and
that includes most of the still images i put up, are snapshots and basic
documentation. its not bad, but it ain't art.
the seperation comes from both an understanding of the ascetics of
framing and composition, the relationship between subject and lens (and
being able to afford the lens). especially in surf pics, anticipating
the subject actions is crucial.
also, knowing the more technical details of equipment such as focus
distance, aperature, shutter speed and iso. in outdoor photography,
light and atmosphere are huge as well. knowing when and where to shoot
can have significant effects on the final photo.
to do anything well, you should be well practiced. well enough that you
are dealing with small increments of change from a good image to a
better one, rather than having to use the auto features of a camera as
your only tool to capture an image.
i wish i was at that level with my images. but that probably won't
happen till the trigger button on my nikon is soaked in blood (or
perhaps in bg's case, urine ;-))
lp
OBsurfr
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Art?
I'm just a sports shooter.
The only Art I'm familiar with is Art Jones, an old boyhood friend.
Some insight on what I post and why.
I put up sequence shots because they give a broader view of what really
happened on the wave instead of leaving the
"did he make it?" question hanging. Not to tell a story. Just to answer a
question.
My clients love sequence shots and that makes me more $
I'm not into art.
Many times you will see some really mediocre images on my website and
question, rightfully so, why is that on there?
They are usually images of people who normally do not get their pictures
taken. Little kids, woman surfers and old guys are examples.
They are the most grateful, the most stoked and it makes my day to see how
happy they are.
http://kneed4speed.com/11_01_05/HTML/11_01_05-093033.htm
I'm not into art.
I don't like slide shows.
I like to look at thumbnails and pick and choose what I want to view.
Especially if it's art.
I'm not into art.
I consider my web site a crude digital wall on which I hang a bunch of hodge
podge photographs on.
Nothing more or nothing less.
I'm not into art.
Sometimes I try to capture an essence of a moment so a viewer can feel what
I was feeling as well as what I was seeing.
http://kneed4speed.com/surf_check/surf_check1.htm
http://kneed4speed.com/09_29_05/HTML/index.htm
I don't consider that art.
I'm a sports shooter. The only time a try to tell a story with my photos is
when I go on a trip.
I'm not into art and I'm not a good story teller.
I just capture moments in time.
I record events.
Is there art in photography?
No doubt.
"Creating" a moment instead of capturing one is art.
IMHO this is art in photography:
http://sharoncooleyphotography.com/LSD%20Collection/lsd_6898%20windnsea_2x.htm
Sharon took a photographic image and created something else from it.
She asked me once "Why don't you do this kind of of work" "Don't you like
it?"
" I love it, I like looking at it" It just ain't my thing.
I'm not into "creating " art.
We all don't have to buy into the art thing.
It doesn't have to be art.
If it puts a smile on some stoked little kids face
then that's okay as well.
I agree on learning to use your tools.
That applies to any mechanical device.
I'm not into auto features.
The only automatic feature I like is my car's transmission.
I'm a sports shooter not an artist.
There are enough "artists" out there to satisfy the artsy crowd.
For the rest of us, keep firing away and put up whatever you like.
You are probably getting a big grin out of someone, somewhere
and to me that is worth just as much as "art" anytime.
Unemployed Floyd (a bottom feeding, starving sports shooter)
surfgeo
to answer howlee, i shoot a nikon d70 with an 80-400 VR lens. i love
it, but am looking to upgrade as soon as the $$ flows....
but lp - trust me, i am far from a novice. a novice at shooting from
the beach with this particular equipment, i will admit i have a
learning curve. never been a shore photographer of surf.
www.surfgeo.com will show i have been prone to bodily injury while
toting a heavy camera arond in large surf to get some decent shots. i
didnt want to cull too much because i was not trying to display super
art images, rather i wanted to convey the sequence which imparts the
drama very well. most surfers want to see that, as howlee showed.
who cares if a shot or two is blurred, if you see the guy cranking a
turn and powering off the lip and then going arial or getting barrelled
- well.....drama!
each shot is reduced 40%. if its a bandwidth space then they should
cull this kind of stuff:
http://www.surfhousesurfcam.com/gallery/rmartin4/index.htm
who cares to see that? no art or drama. zilch.
you want art? give me another month or two - i am dillegently working
on my true photo web site. for the last 7 months i have been shooting
elk and moose and deer and butterfiles (no comments please...lol) and
bees and ducks and geese and landscapes and seascapes and egrets and
alligators and herons and flowers (again, no comments) and lightning
and waterfalls and more from indiana to illinois to ohio to kentucky to
west virginia to arkansas to tennessee to louisiana to texas to kansas
to utah to colorado to california to nevada.....
get the idea?
ever been 5 feet from a 10 foot gator or stalked a moose for 2-1/2
hours until he finally got pissed off and charged to within 10 feet of
you??
that rush compared to 2X indo bombers - remember - with a water camera,
objects in the viewfinder are closer than they appear...
;-)
and - a few, a very few, very very nice tasteful and artistic breasts
as well.....ahhhh - the magic a good photog can have over an eager
model! if i only wasnt married i would be in heaven baybeee!
and wait till you see my x-rated tomatos!
lp
> "lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
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>
>>(the following comments are not specific to the pictures linked in this
good post george.
there are a few exceptions i'll take with what you wrote, but hey i put
your name in the discussion, so it's ok if you smack me down for what i
said.
first, maybe art wasn't the best term for me to use.
i meant the image that captures and encapsulates the action or event.
this is similar to what time/life/nat geo and other photogs do.
btw - you can have art without manipulating the image, other than using
an artistic eye in capturing it and technical knowledge in doing it in a
way that gets it the way you want it. if you say you don't compose
shots, i'll have to call bullsh*t. i've seen your stuff.
imo - sequences are good and can in and of themselves a way to convey
action over time, just as you pointed out. hell, i do video. you don't
get more sequential than that. also the part of showing regular people.
much of my videos have marginal surfers, who just happened to be out on
the day i shot. for me they are a part of the story, the day, the event,
whathaveyou.
my main point was about editing, which i'm not really sure whether you
agree or disagree. when i'm looking at other people photos, unless i'm
looking for something in particular, i'd rather not go through every
image that a person shoots. i'd much rather they pick a few of their
best shots for me to see or shots that have a specific meaning to help
convey an experience or event.
for example, a friend of mine went to alaska a couple years ago and gave
me a link to his slide show. he put over 200 images up. i was doing okay
for the first couple of dozen. he had captions to explain many of the
things he did and places he went. but after a while, he started putting
captions like, "another shot of glacier" and one more shot of this
feature or that. later on he stopped putting captions. i knew why. he
didn't really have more to say about the individual shots because he had
already shown me several that were almost exactly the same.
that was the point of my op piece. cull the images to tell the story.
don't show every single image you have. others will appreciate the
effort more. i'm just expressing an opinion, but the underlying
rationale is a staple of professional media. my intent here is just to
inform, dialogue, and perhaps influence. it is not to change habits of
those who are doing something they enjoy in a way they enjoy it. take
it for what you paid for it.
as rod stewart used to say, "every picture tells a story, don't it?"
lp
Turby
>i looked at your shots. you have some nice ones and some nice sequences.
>imho (not trying to offend), what you don't have is somebody culling the
>good images from the mediocre ones.
Amen. Editing is not a dirty word. A lot more people should do it. I'm
reminded of National Geographic. For every image they publish, they
reject _thousands._ And those guys are incredibly good photographers.
When Surfgeo said:
"lots of sequences there, so do the slideshow and keep clicking "next"
for maximum enjoyment,"
I thought he meant maximum boredom. I want to look at good photos, not
stuff like Dsc_0868med:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/surfgeorigby/detail?.dir=3be0&.dnm=6937.jpg&.src=ph
The show would have been much, much better at 30 images, than 113.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
Awe F'shore
"OBsurfr" <g.ba...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Art?
I like art. Every photograph I've ever seen... even the ones that weren't
yet taken...
is art.
I'm not a sports shooter.
I shoot surf.
I don't consider surf 'sports.'
Yeah, I shoot a lot of surf contests. A lot of people call it a sport.
Surf is art, Waves are art. Life is art.
Art makes people grin.
Awe
OBsurfr
"lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
The main point here is people can over emphasis the art side of things.
Also, if someone puts up 200 thumbnails just open the ones that interest
you.
However if they are all in a slide show I',m with you on that one.
OBsurfr
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For the technically challenged you don't need to use the slide show. The
thumbnail page let's you quickly pick and choose what you want to view.
Pretty simple.
OBsurfr
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Life is Art?
Dang, that sucks to hear because my life is a cartoon.
Wait a minute! Cartoons are art!
Howz the shoulder Awe?
Turby
wrote:
Then you can see that you only need to look at 6 to see the whole
show. The point remains, whether it's thumbnails or a slideshow - post
quality pix, don't just dump your cache onto a webpage.
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Turby the Turbosurfer
george_of_the_bush
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>
>"lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
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>> surfgeo wrote:
>Is there art in photography?
>No doubt.
>"Creating" a moment instead of capturing one is art.
I gotta disagree with your definition. If you can capture something
powerful with your camera, it's art.
>IMHO this is art in photography:
>http://sharoncooleyphotography.com/LSD%20Collection/lsd_6898%20windnsea_2x.htm
>Sharon took a photographic image and created something else from it.
>She asked me once "Why don't you do this kind of of work" "Don't you like
>it?"
I don't.
>" I love it, I like looking at it" It just ain't my thing.
>I'm not into "creating " art.
And that's ok with me.
>We all don't have to buy into the art thing.
>It doesn't have to be art.
>If it puts a smile on some stoked little kids face
>then that's okay as well.
Yup. Most photos are about family and friends and that's ok too.
>I agree on learning to use your tools.
>That applies to any mechanical device.
>I'm not into auto features.
>The only automatic feature I like is my car's transmission.
The only auto trans I like is on the Prius 'cause it saves gas.
>I'm a sports shooter not an artist.
And if you do it well, that's all you need to be. However, don't get
upset if you get called an artist if you do good work. We don't all
have the same definition of "art".
_g
Awe F'shore
No. Cartoons are sports.
>:)
> Howz the shoulder Awe?
Healing, artfully.
:)
lol! The whole art vs. non-art thing just boils down to each of our own
perspectives - what we look at as art.
As far as photography goes, it may be better classified as art vs. realism.
It's all good, imo - and there's an audience for all tastes and variations.
As far as this pic goes:
>http://sharoncooleyphotography.com/LSD%20Collection/lsd_6898%20windnsea_2x.htm
well, it is art, but it's an extreme job done to a photo. It's also one
that's been done a lot, since the tools in Pshop make it so easy, so it's
lost a lot of it's perceived artistic value because of that. Seen one, seen
'em all. With that said tho, a lot of people DO dig that stuff. Acid art via
Pshop.
I shoot a lot in extreme sunlight conditions (for photography) and am simply
going for the artistic value of the photograph in that light. Case in point,
harsh afternoon backlight. I love experimenting with it, and oftentimes the
results can be rewarding:
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/100905/lg/wjsc1-400.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/100905/lg/wjsc1-375.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-812.jpg
or
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-319.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-320.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-321.jpg
If those same waves would have been shot with good morning light, then I
would have had a whole different mindset about the shots and would have been
going for the 'sportsshooter' type of image.
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101505/lg/wjsc7-137.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101605/lg/5182.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-073.jpg
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101505/lg/wjsc7-089.jpg
Here's art, one that I converted from a full color photograph to an intense
red warm duotone. I shot it 4 days after shoulder surgery, heavily dosed
with vicodin (never again!). I've had some really good response on that
one - something about that color tone sells well.
http://www.awefoto.com/temp/fm/2407red-largeframe.jpg
surfgeo, sorry about the thread hijack!
Awe
Dennis
Awe. Those backlit shots are hot.
Bud
My .02
My pics are based on selfishness; When I go back and read my journal
and/or see pics from the session, I recall so many details of that exact
time, and that equals Instant Re-Stoke for me, when I'm temporarily land
bound. Each pic that I give an URL, or a few words I wrote, is a key to
memories of that day for ME.
I can't tell you what ISO stands for, and I'm sure it shows. No one will
ever mistake my stuff for anything but amateur - really, I could care
less 'bout that. Pics if I can - surfing comes first. Sure, I edit a bit
- a crop, resize, straightening, sharpen - but as far as my pics the
bottom line for me is a small photo record of a surf session.
OTOH, I sure would like to have a shiny new Canon DSLR :D
Good surfing to you,
OBsurfr
You wouldn't believe how much money Sharon makes and keeps making on that
kinda stuff.
> I shoot a lot in extreme sunlight conditions (for photography) and am
> simply going for the artistic value of the photograph in that light. Case
> in point, harsh afternoon backlight. I love experimenting with it, and
> oftentimes the results can be rewarding:
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/100905/lg/wjsc1-400.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/100905/lg/wjsc1-375.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-812.jpg
> or
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-319.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-320.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-321.jpg
I've been working hard at trying to get the same kind of images.
You have had much more success than I have.
I still don't call it art.
> If those same waves would have been shot with good morning light, then I
> would have had a whole different mindset about the shots and would have
> been going for the 'sportsshooter' type of image.
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101505/lg/wjsc7-137.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101605/lg/5182.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-073.jpg
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101505/lg/wjsc7-089.jpg
>
> Here's art, one that I converted from a full color photograph to an
> intense red warm duotone. I shot it 4 days after shoulder surgery, heavily
> dosed with vicodin (never again!). I've had some really good response on
> that one - something about that color tone sells well.
> http://www.awefoto.com/temp/fm/2407red-largeframe.jpg
Nice!
lp
>
> As far as photography goes, it may be better classified as art vs. realism.
> It's all good, imo - and there's an audience for all tastes and variations.
> As far as this pic goes:
>
>>http://sharoncooleyphotography.com/LSD%20Collection/lsd_6898%20windnsea_2x.htm
>
>
> well, it is art, but it's an extreme job done to a photo. It's also one
> that's been done a lot, since the tools in Pshop make it so easy, so it's
> lost a lot of it's perceived artistic value because of that. Seen one, seen
> 'em all. With that said tho, a lot of people DO dig that stuff. Acid art via
> Pshop.
>
i agree. art is mostly about perception.
art doesn't have to be abstract though.
i've seen much photographic art that's just use the tools to reveal what
they see
the above may be art, but it doesn't do anything for me.
otoh, http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-320.jpg
i really like with the textures in the shot as a play on light.
and this shot tells me something about the scene in a way awe may have
seen it
and which other photogs at the event may never have:
> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-812.jpg
surfing, imho, is about focus in the present moment. capturing the
moment is fleeting when rider and wave are peaking.
for instance:
http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-320.jpg
you may call it craft rather than art, but it still looks good to me.
> surfgeo, sorry about the thread hijack!
that was my fault. but it was worth it.
sorry geo.
lp
OBsurfr
"george_of_the_bush" <n...@today.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:58:38 -0800, "OBsurfr" <g.ba...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
>>news:11miipe...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> surfgeo wrote:
>
>>Is there art in photography?
>>No doubt.
>>"Creating" a moment instead of capturing one is art.
>
> I gotta disagree with your definition. If you can capture something
> powerful with your camera, it's art.
No it isn't.
By your definition I could point a camera at a sunset, push a button, then I
have art.
You used a device to capture a moment in time.
If you took a picture of the most beautiful sunset ever is it art?
I don't think so.
The sunset itself is art.
Not the image "copying it" through a camera.
If you recreate the sunset in a painting and add your "interpertation" of
it, that is art.
If you took a picture of an average sunset and then "created" a gorgeous
image by manipulating it on a computer
is that art?
More so than the first example.
>
>>IMHO this is art in photography:
>>http://sharoncooleyphotography.com/LSD%20Collection/lsd_6898%20windnsea_2x.htm
>>Sharon took a photographic image and created something else from it.
>>She asked me once "Why don't you do this kind of of work" "Don't you like
>>it?"
>
> I don't.
Well than it must be art.
george_of_the_bush
It looks like art to me.
All photography shows just one perspective of space-time. Some
photography captures something more than a 2 dimensional image. Awe
deserves credit for stunning composition of an action shot.
_g
lp
see the thing is ob you are manipulating the environment in which the
image is captured when you take the picture. you've chosen to take
certain things and leave others out. maybe you've selected a time of day
to take the shot. maybe you've provided negative space in the image on
one side or another in order to balance the shot or show at the apex of
a maneuver. those are all manipulations and are dependent on the
photographers vision and skills. you disagree with it being called art?
hey, that's fine. but you probably wouldn't call ansel adams images art
either. he was shooting landscapes, what you call the art itself. the
manipulations he did in the dark room pale by comparison what you can do
with photoshop. basically, he carefully planned his shots, maybe used
an appropriate filter and got a good image. then used cropping, dodging
and burning when developing the final prints. that's it.
the thing he did alot of, was edit down his prints to the best, when
showing the public.
lp
george_of_the_bush
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>"george_of_the_bush" <n...@today.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:58:38 -0800, "OBsurfr" <g.ba...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
>>>news:11miipe...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> surfgeo wrote:
>>
>>>Is there art in photography?
>>>No doubt.
>>>"Creating" a moment instead of capturing one is art.
>>
>> I gotta disagree with your definition. If you can capture something
>> powerful with your camera, it's art.
>
>No it isn't.
>By your definition I could point a camera at a sunset, push a button, then I
>have art.
The art is in the composition and vision of the artist.
The technical skill is in the use of the tools of the artist.
As long as we understand that we each other's definitions we can
communicate. The nature of art is that people don't agree on what it
is.
>You used a device to capture a moment in time.
>If you took a picture of the most beautiful sunset ever is it art?
>I don't think so.
>The sunset itself is art.
>Not the image "copying it" through a camera.
>If you recreate the sunset in a painting and add your "interpertation" of
>it, that is art.
>If you took a picture of an average sunset and then "created" a gorgeous
>image by manipulating it on a computer
>is that art?
>More so than the first example.
>
>
>>
>>>IMHO this is art in photography:
>>>http://sharoncooleyphotography.com/LSD%20Collection/lsd_6898%20windnsea_2x.htm
>>>Sharon took a photographic image and created something else from it.
>>>She asked me once "Why don't you do this kind of of work" "Don't you like
>>>it?"
>>
>> I don't.
>
>Well than it must be art.
Art who?
_g
george_of_the_bush
wrote:
Call it what you please but it's damn good stuff!
I think I get what you are saying, George. You've seen too many
pretentious wankers who called themselves artists.
>
>
>
>> If those same waves would have been shot with good morning light, then I
>> would have had a whole different mindset about the shots and would have
>> been going for the 'sportsshooter' type of image.
>> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101505/lg/wjsc7-137.jpg
>> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101605/lg/5182.jpg
>> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101005/lg/wjsc2-073.jpg
>> http://www.awefoto.com/surfcontests/isawjsc/101505/lg/wjsc7-089.jpg
>>
>> Here's art, one that I converted from a full color photograph to an
>> intense red warm duotone. I shot it 4 days after shoulder surgery, heavily
>> dosed with vicodin (never again!). I've had some really good response on
>> that one - something about that color tone sells well.
>> http://www.awefoto.com/temp/fm/2407red-largeframe.jpg
>
>Nice!
Just don't call it art.
_g
Rico
"lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
The camera is the ultimate tool for realism yet I see artists in other media
producing paintings so realistic that you have to look twice-3 times at them
.
Film or pixels are just another medium ; it all depends on what you do with
it .
These people I consider Artists :
http://www.bregler-fotografien.de/archive/index1.php
doc
Uhm, George -
By definition, anything done by human agency; human act is art. Which
explains mimes, 'performance artists' and any number of whackos that seem to
be of the opinion that what they produce is anything but excremental. What a
two year old smears on the wall is 'art'. Or a pile of newspapers, you name
it.
Having said this, I will admit I have some problems with it. There is no
qualification for skill or inherent ability. The difference between Monet
and - lets say Tiny Tim.
So, will ya take 'craft' and craftsmanship in replacement of the rather
overgenerous category of 'art' ? Which we can define as a job skilfully
done. I mean, given that hypothetical sunset, you perhaps got the exposure
right, picked the right lens, etc. Somebody else could have done it badly.
Bill Andrews
Art Brewer or Jeff Divine or even Ron Stoner -
Anything but Black's - that just what I need, more photos = more
discussion = more people = more idiots at Bl**k'*
surfgeo wrote:
> *apparently* i have exceeded my quota of posting surf pics at our local
> surfcam site. *apparently* they prefer to post only gulf coast photos,
> although they accept shots from many peoples' surf travels...
>
> i would think they would be proud to post pics of texans surfing other
> places as well as pics taken by texas photographers in other places.
> at least is directly attributed to a local texan, and it beats the crap
> out of the endless crappy instamatic shots from 100 yds away of
> knee-high crap, but oh well, its their baby.....
>
> the norris shots not withstanding - he does some mighty fine work - as
> well as a few other folks - but the majority of shots posted at the
> site are soooo ho-hum.
>
> so, without further ado:
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/surfgeorigby/album?.dir=3be0&.src=ph
>
> lots of sequences there, so do the slideshow and keep clicking "next"
> for maximum enjoyment.. ;-)
>
>
> it was one of those foggy-sunny days, a lot of mist between camera and
> surf, and in a few places it seemed to confuse the autofocus or
> something, one nice deep barrel sequence in particular is blurry but i
> cant quite figure out why - i added a uv filterand it was spotlessly
> clean as was the lens, and thats not it weither because other shots
> came out fine, so it was something to do with the fogginess that day i
> guess. other wildlife shots i have taken since then are fine as well.
> oh well. just keep shooting and troubleshooting...
>
> also added the HB/wedcge stuff:
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/surfgeorigby/album?.dir=/1715
shaft®
> Anything but Black's - that just what I need, more photos = more
> discussion = more people = more idiots at Bl**k'*
texan kooks
surfgeo
having him charge you is ART!
shaft finally got something right, i am a texas kook for posting basic
pics of blacks sequences just for entertainment only to have the peanut
gallery critique it as if i was trying to post my best work.
EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE FRIGGGGIN MEEEEEEE!
sheeeeesh! i had 2 fugging random days to shoot and got the best i
could! i didnt plan my business trip based on a freaking swell !
AND - it was supposed to miss socal!! remember? hmmmmmmm? it was
supposed to be 1 to 3' at best. even shaft had his predictable
diatribe about "planning trips about a swell" (cough, wheeze)
fuck all you naysay'in mo'fos! you all suck! suck i tell you!
your pal always true and forever -
surfgeo
george_of_the_bush
Yes.
And see the power of the lost film medium:
Black and White.
http://www.bregler-fotografien.de/archive/index.php?name=Yousuf_Karsh
_g
george_of_the_bush
wrote:
>I'm, begging you guys - please change the name of this topic to alt dot
>Art Brewer or Jeff Divine or even Ron Stoner -
>
>Anything but Black's - that just what I need, more photos = more
>discussion = more people = more idiots at Bl**k'*
>
>BA
>http://adaywithba.com/
>
>
>surfgeo wrote:
>> *apparently* i have exceeded my quota of posting surf pics at our local
>> surfcam site.
You have a point, BA, but didn't a classic photo of some "soul surfer"
on the cover of a major surf magazine years ago have just a little
more to do with the crowds at B*A**'s than this old newsgroup?
_g
Rico
I was brought up on the Zone System Manual .
Still use film but the fire has waned for me .
OBsurfr
"lp" <lp@surfviddotcom> wrote in message
Good insight on the man.
I agree with you on that one.
OBsurfr
"doc" <jfm...@comcastrati.net> wrote in message
news:wtidnf8baOI...@comcast.com...
OKAY!! I CONFESS!! I'M A FRUSTRATED, BITTER FAILED ARTIST.
I ENVY THE TRUE ARTISTS LIKE ANSEL ADAMSD AND AWE!!!
Wow I feel better already. That primal screaming stuff really works!
LOL! :)
shaft®
> You have a point, BA, but didn't a classic photo of some "soul surfer"
> on the cover of a major surf magazine years ago have just a little
> more to do with the crowds at B*A**'s than this old newsgroup?
BA is more of a socialite than a loc.
His lack of teeth when it comes to NG kooks makes
him a psuedo local at best. Or maybe a virtual local.
shaft®
> sheeeeesh! i had 2 fugging random days to shoot and got the best i
> could! i didnt plan my business trip based on a freaking swell !
Why not?
Bill Andrews
I love Texas, The Alamo, Texas surfers, and Texas surfing -
I thought your photos were great - and I certainly would never be a
photo critic -
I would have given you a ride up and down The road if I had known you
were in town -
I was merely trying to make a joke about how crowded Bl**k'* has become
-
Many of the contributors to your topic would not be happy if their top
secret surf spots - as Bla****s certainly is - were to be named.
Awe F'shore
Looks like the work of success to me.
http://www.kneed4speed.com/big_sur-1/HTML/index.htm
Awe
Awe F'shore
Thanks to ya both.
Awe
ljswahine
Awe F'shore wrote:
>
> I shoot a lot in extreme sunlight conditions (for photography) and am simply
> going for the artistic value of the photograph in that light. Case in point,
> harsh afternoon backlight. I love experimenting with it, and oftentimes the
> results can be rewarding:
Awesome Awe.
ljs
ljswahine
Call it what you please but it's damn good stuff!
I think I get what you are saying, George. You've seen too many
pretentious wankers who called themselves artists.
Don't you know, photography isn't art ;-).
ljs
pnwk
and not end up with spray painted death threats
besides he made some other hostile locs give me their
beer
geez i wish i could do that at my beach
shaft®
> Here's art, one that I converted from a full color photograph to an intense
> red warm duotone. I shot it 4 days after shoulder surgery, heavily dosed
> with vicodin (never again!). I've had some really good response on that
> one - something about that color tone sells well.
> http://www.awefoto.com/temp/fm/2407red-largeframe.jpg
Getting closer to art.
Whipping out your auto focus camera and holding down the
button and uploading a sequence to AS could hardly be
called "art". Compared to a real artist who spends yrs
studying and hundreds or hours composing a "piece"
it's more like a hobby. Like crossword puzzles...
Not only that, most of you act more like frat boys than
artists... maybe it's just your lame industrial profiles?
Awe F'shore
"shaftŽ" <op...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131144419.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Do fratboys have love affairs with thermos's?
OBsurfr
>>
>> OKAY!! I CONFESS!! I'M A FRUSTRATED, BITTER FAILED ARTIST.
>> I ENVY THE TRUE ARTISTS LIKE ANSEL ADAMSD AND AWE!!!
>> Wow I feel better already. That primal screaming stuff really works!
>> LOL! :)
>
> Looks like the work of success to me.
> http://www.kneed4speed.com/big_sur-1/HTML/index.htm
>
> Awe
time) ;)
OBsurfr
>> Here's art, one that I converted from a full color photograph to an
>> intense
>> red warm duotone. I shot it 4 days after shoulder surgery, heavily dosed
>> with vicodin (never again!). I've had some really good response on that
>> one - something about that color tone sells well.
>> http://www.awefoto.com/temp/fm/2407red-largeframe.jpg
>
> Getting closer to art.
>
> Whipping out your auto focus camera and holding down the
> button and uploading a sequence to AS could hardly be
> called "art". Compared to a real artist who spends yrs
> studying and hundreds or hours composing a "piece"
> it's more like a hobby. Like crossword puzzles...
Shaft gets in done in less than 50 words and I'm
on about 1000 words and still can't get my point accross!
> Not only that, most of you act more like frat boys than
> artists... maybe it's just your lame industrial profiles?
>
Uhhhhh, OKay.
shaft®
> Do fratboys have love affairs with thermos's?
Not sure, ask food.
Hows the pissbag fetish coming?
Rico
Awe F'shore
"Rico" <fba...@compost.net> wrote in message
news:aqKdnTvXCcJ...@comcast.com...
Gleshna's gonna crack 'any moment now.'
Ya know, I think I know why he does it.
It's art. Golden art.
Awe F'shore
"ljswahine" <ljswa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131140452.8...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Thanks. How's the leetle one?
Awe
ljswahine
He's great, talking more, funny, loves cameras! and my best subject of
course.
ljs
Foon
>
>Awe F'shore wrote:
>> Do fratboys have love affairs with thermos's?
>
>Not sure, ask food.
Still no thermos twerp. You are a disgrace....
shaft®
> Still no thermos twerp. You are a disgrace....
Check your mail, fratboy.
george_of_the_bush
I suppose we could look at surfing in all its forms the same way. Most
of it is having fun and that's great. Some of it is sport and
competition. And every now and then there's someone who takes it to a
level of personal expression that can be called art.
_g
george_of_the_bush
wrote:
>
>"shaftŽ" <op...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131144419.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> Awe F'shore wrote:
>>> Here's art, one that I converted from a full color photograph to an
>>> intense
>>> red warm duotone. I shot it 4 days after shoulder surgery, heavily dosed
>>> with vicodin (never again!). I've had some really good response on that
>>> one - something about that color tone sells well.
>>> http://www.awefoto.com/temp/fm/2407red-largeframe.jpg
>>
>> Getting closer to art.
>>
>> Whipping out your auto focus camera and holding down the
>> button and uploading a sequence to AS could hardly be
>> called "art". Compared to a real artist who spends yrs
>> studying and hundreds or hours composing a "piece"
>> it's more like a hobby. Like crossword puzzles...
>
>Shaft gets in done in less than 50 words and I'm
>on about 1000 words and still can't get my point accross!
He has a certain talent with words when he doesn't try to be artistic.
_g
Foon
>> Still no thermos twerp. You are a disgrace....
>
>Check your mail, fratboy.
Everyday and as in the last 8 years on this ng, absolutely nothing worthwhile
from you.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... wake me up when you stop lying.
f
The Checkered Demon at
<to shit4brains>
> .... wake me up when you stop lying.
>
That should occur shortly after he takes his very last breath.
---------------------------------
Chexter
"All your pixel are belong to me"
shaft®
> Everyday and as in the last 8 years on this ng, absolutely nothing worthwhile
> from you.
And you haven't missed a post.
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... wake me up when you stop lying.
The check is in the mail!
Shaft® - Wondering what kind of twit has a life so void
of substance that they piss their pants over
a NG trinket?
roc...@rodndtube.com
You call Olympia beer? :)
--------------------------------------
Rod Rodgers
"Fiant Intumesco!"
http://www.rodNDtube.com/
pnwk
i think my dad gave me one when
I was 12 on an offshore fishing trip
opened with a can opener
Awe F'shore
"pnwk" <jki...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1131379853.3...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It's the Water
and a Lot More!
george_of_the_bush
wrote:
And only Gleshna knows the secret ingredient.
_g
pnwk
way back when
its
now exclusively brewed, formulated, and consumed
in Chicago
Rico
Pabst Blue Urine Beer!?
Sold by the baggie full .
Surfer Bob
> Check your mail, fratboy.
Send Foon the Thermos before something awful happens to you.
SB
george_of_the_bush
Oly wasn't bad compared to Pabst. That stuff is Gleshna whizz.
_g