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Writ of Mandamus to compel an investigation wrt the identity of Marcia Ferrin and other computer criminals

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Linda

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Dec 1, 2008, 12:57:40 AM12/1/08
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I also know is other crooked psychiatrists, crooked psychologists,
crooked social workers, and crooked cops will don disguises to
engage
in false flag attacks against the crooked psychiatrists et al donning
the disguise of a disabled person, for sinister motives, all of
which also serve to A)reinforce the false persona the crooked psych
or
crooked cop has donned, and proffer more elaboration of the fake bio
of the fake persona the crooked shrink and or crooked cop has donned
while effecting to occaision the second degree murder of one or more
innocent americans.


Most significant of all, I know the identity of the author of Marcia
Ferrin posts has ZERO relevance because it's UNLAWFUL for the author
of the marcia ferrin articles to misuse interactive computer services
to pursue unwelcome and unwanted communications with yours or any
other american IRREGARDLESS of whether the author of the marcia
ferrin
articles is a crooked psychologist or crooked cop donning the pose of
a disabled person, OR, a psych disabled individual.


Because it's unlawful for anyone to misuse interactive computer
services to pursue unwanted and unwanted communications with yours
truly, beginning in 2001, I habitually responded to each and
everyone computer criminal who sought to misuse interactive computer
services to pursue unwelcome and unwanted communications with yours
truly, by, publishing a Cease and Desist Notice, informing them
their misuse of ICS to pursue unwanted and unwelcome communications
with yours truly is UNLAWFUL and demanding they cease and desist.


As has been my habit since 2001, I published a Cease and Desist
Notice to the author of the marcia ferrin articles within a week of
it
appearing, out of the clear blue, in all five of the forums I
subscribed to in the summer of 2006, and flooding them with articles
containing non-stop LIES about me, in addition to it publishing an
article in which it publicly announced it's UNLAWFUL intention for
subscribing to the five forums I subscribe to was to 'Make me go
away'.


From what little I gleaned about the author of the marcia ferrin
articles from reading it's crap the first week or two of it's sudden
appearance in the five forums I subscribed in the summer of 2006, I
suspected the author of the marcia ferrin articles is a longtime
serial and criminal cyberstalker, terrorist and murderer who is
alleged to have schizoaffective disorder and dissociative identity
disorder and is known to me as Kimberly K Barnard.


I presume that if the persona whom I know as Kimberly K Barnard is
the
author of the marcia ferrin articles, then, Barnard's long time on
line associates like "Peter J Ross", "Peter Hood", Daniel L.
Rogers", and "Jason Christie aka Iceman" have been authoring the
posts of those who accompanied Ferrin into the forums I subscribe to
and reinforced the idea that a person by the name of Marcia Ferrin
actually exists by either reinforcing that which the author of the
marcia ferrin posts publish about themselves, and/or engaging in
false flag attacks to reinforce the idea the a person named Marcia
Ferrin actually exists, and, elaborate it's persona.


However, I don't even know if Kimberly K Barnard, Daniel L Rogers,
Jason Christie, Peter Hood or Peter J. Ross, and Peter Hood are the
idenities of the authors of the messages they are credited with.


For all I know, those identies could be fake identities which
Vaughan
Bell, Ralph Hoffman, Jeffrey Lieberman, and Ken Ducksworth
invented
to effect the second degree murder of myself and other innocent
americans without myself and other innocent americans being aware of
their involvement in our ever so slow and torturous but carefully
orchestrated murders.


Until a Judge has the guts to COMPEL law enforcement agents to
INVESTIGATE the computer criminals perpetrating the computer and other
crimes against yours truly, you and so many other innocent
americans, it's anyone's guess who the identity of the perpetrators
of the computer and other crimes are.

Linda Gore.

Linda

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Dec 1, 2008, 1:02:15 AM12/1/08
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On Nov 30, 9:57 pm, Linda <indomitabl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

What I know is that America has all manner of crooked psychiatrists,
crooked psychologists, crooked social workers, and crooked cops who
don disguises to orchestrate the murder in the second degree of
myself
and other innocent americans.


(See then-APA President Gerald Koocher emails to the PENS Task Force
wherein Koocher's basis for selling Task Force Members on
psychologists participation in the torture of the disappeared and
detainees is the fact that crooked psychologists are already helping
crooked cops effect the second degree murder of innocent americans by
donning disguises so the murdered or their family aren't aware
crooked
psychologists were paid to effect their second degree murder).


I also know the disguises donned by crooked psychiatrists,
psychologists, social workers and law enforcment agents effecting
the
second degree murder of myself and other americans, are, more often
then not, disguises wherein the crooked psychiatrists,
psychologists, social workers pose as someone with a disability
because crooked psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers and law
enforcement agents know the overwhelming majority of people are
unlikely to voice their suspicion that a con isn't whom they say they
are when they pose as a disabled person out of fear that they will be
accused of suspecting because of a bias against disabled people.


(See the case of the crooked psychiatrist from NY known only as
"Alex"
who successfully preyed upon female subscribers of compuserve forums
from 1992 to 1994, sexually and otherwise, by, donning the
disguise
of a disabled, wheelchair bound, lesbian female under the name
"Joan").

Frank

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Dec 1, 2008, 2:09:06 AM12/1/08
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"Linda" <indomi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 9:57 pm, Linda <indomitabl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From what little I gleaned about the author of the marcia ferrin
articles from reading it's crap the first week or two of it's sudden
appearance in the five forums I subscribed in the summer of 2006, I
suspected the author of the marcia ferrin articles is a longtime
serial and criminal cyberstalker, terrorist and murderer who is
alleged to have schizoaffective disorder and dissociative identity
disorder and is known to me as Kimberly K Barnard.

Linda Gore.
=========================================================
WOW! I didn't realize that Kimberly was a murderess. That is pretty
strong! Any proof of someone that she murdered?

Marcia said you were going to blow it pretty soon, lol, was she ever
correct.

I noticed that you left tell tale signs of your blowing it below. \/

marcia

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Dec 1, 2008, 2:35:20 AM12/1/08
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On Dec 1, 2:09 am, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote:
> "Linda" <indomitabl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:455e94f6-2fc3-4ffa...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 30, 9:57 pm, Linda <indomitabl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From what little I gleaned about the author of the marcia ferrin
> articles from reading it's crap the first week or two of it's sudden
> appearance in the five forums I subscribed in the summer of 2006, I
> suspected the author of the marcia ferrin articles is a longtime
> serial and criminal cyberstalker, terrorist and murderer who is
> alleged to have schizoaffective disorder and dissociative identity
> disorder and is known to me as Kimberly K Barnard.
>
> Linda Gore.
> =========================================================
> WOW! I didn't realize that Kimberly was a murderess. That is pretty
> strong! Any proof of someone that she murdered?
>
> Marcia said you were going to blow it pretty soon, lol, was she ever
> correct.

She's apparently upset about my posting to Jo, which she doesn't need
to concern herself about. See her new message on
misc.health.alternative in one of the threads claiming I'm a liar.

Frank

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Dec 1, 2008, 2:44:07 AM12/1/08
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"marcia" <marcia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks, I'll check it out. You do realize of course that saying she
needn't be concerned will only heighten her anxiety?


marcia

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Dec 1, 2008, 2:52:10 AM12/1/08
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On Dec 1, 2:44 am, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote:
> "marcia" <marcia1234...@gmail.com> wrote in message

There's nothing I can say anywhere on Usenet that won't be interpreted
as part of some devious plot against Linda or Debbee. I didn't know
she was still reading tourette, but it doesn't matter because there
really *is* nothing for her to worry about. Of course, Jan will call
me a liar now. :)

MSmith

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Dec 1, 2008, 8:23:59 AM12/1/08
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Turn off your computer and it all goes away.

Raving

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Dec 1, 2008, 9:18:43 AM12/1/08
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On Dec 1, 8:23 am, MSmith <MSm...@myhouse.com> wrote:
> Turn off your computer and it all goes away.

Net death has it's advantages.

... Let's ban the internet.

Frank

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Dec 1, 2008, 8:23:08 PM12/1/08
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"Raving" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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=================================================
It's too late. We can still read minds from afar, plus remote neural
monitoring has greatly advanced. Evidenced by curios people with
seemingly strange thoughts. Beats the heck out of old fashioned Zombies.

I'm sure you have heard of "chain of thought", but have you ever
considered or wondered just why there are so many similar people who,
while appearing off base to normal thinking people, obviously think
alike and "feed" off like minded individuals? That sometimes they "break
away" for a little respite of independent thinking only to return to the
new group think?

Is it really coincidence?


Raving

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Dec 1, 2008, 11:20:18 PM12/1/08
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On Dec 1, 8:23 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote:
> "Raving" <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Yeah, it's called the "China Syndrome". (Ch'in=Qin)

>
> Is it really coincidence?
No. What could possibly be more perverse than upwards of 1.3 billion
people, all belonging to the same 'cultural' identity which has
endured for over 2,000 years. Those who sometimes ...

"... "break away" for a little respite of independent thinking ..."

... such as the "Taiwanese" for example, are convinced to return to
the fold or are eventually "put down".

I apologize for supporting Gore but her commie pinko, "Jock McBile"
style, trade unionist *shtik* is stunningly tedious for me. The mere
thought of her raving onwards and outwards about the 'Great Wall of
China' with their shyster (a.k.a. non-hereditary aristocratic)
Mandarin bureaucracy might make for a refreshing change. (See
'legalism' below ...) YMMV.

"Qin Shi Huang (Chinese: 秦始皇; pinyin: Qín Shǐhuáng; Wade-Giles: Ch'in
Shih-huang) (259 BC – 210 BC),[1] personal name Yíng Zhèng, was king
of the Chinese State of Qin from 247 BCE to 221 BCE (during the
Warring States Period). He became the first emperor of a unified China
in 221 BCE. He ruled until his death in 210 BCE, calling himself the
First Emperor (Chinese: 始皇帝; pinyin: Shǐ Huáng Dì; Wade-Giles: Shih
Huang-Ti). He was known for the introduction of Legalism and also for
unifying China.

Qin Shi Huang remains a controversial figure in Chinese history. After
unifying China, he and his chief adviser Li Si passed a series of
major reforms meant to preserve unification. Together, they undertook
gigantic projects, including the first version of the current Great
Wall of China, the now famous city-sized mausoleum guarded by a life-
sized Terracotta Army, and a massive national road system, all at the
expense of many lives. To ensure stability, Qin Shi Huang outlawed
Confucianism and is reported to have buried alive many of its
scholars. All books other than those officially decreed were banned
and burned.

Despite the tyranny of his autocratic rule, Qin Shi Huang is regarded
as a pivotal figure in Chinese history whose unification of China has
endured for more than two thousand years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

Frank

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Dec 2, 2008, 12:27:22 AM12/2/08
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"Raving" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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================================================
Heh, I was thinking in much smaller terms, a mere microcosm of what you
brought up. I was thinking of small groups of people in this case, Jan,
Linda, et al and others in various ng's who band together in similar
harmonious relationships that stray afar from societies norms yet
think/believe they are the "called ones". :)

Interesting byline you brought up, the "bigger picture" reflecting to
smaller, like Jan's desire to control the ng's and everyone's thoughts,
that her reality is "THE" true reality. Senility sucks, especially when
posted.

No need to apologize to posting to anyone, we are all free to follow the
flow of thought wherever it may lead. Some serious, some fun, some
mocking and so forth. Keeping all the facets polished on the same stone,
so to speak.


Linda

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Dec 2, 2008, 12:37:14 PM12/2/08
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On Dec 1, 8:20 pm, Raving <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Qin Shi Huang remains a controversial figure in Chinese history. After
> unifying China, he and his chief adviser Li Si passed a series of
> major reforms meant to preserve unification. Together, they undertook
> gigantic projects, including the first version of the current Great
> Wall of China, the now famous city-sized mausoleum guarded by a life-
> sized Terracotta Army, and a massive national road system,

Which were sights to behold by yours truly and the other 11 american
citizens granted the first 12 tourist Visas the Chinese Embassy and US
Department of State issued to americans after the fall of communism in
the 80's

:-)

Raving

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Dec 2, 2008, 12:44:02 PM12/2/08
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Hot diggidy damn! I knew that I was right about you Linda.

Way to go grrl. ... (Your ability in 'essence'. <stated sincerely &
respectfully>)

:))))

Linda

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Dec 2, 2008, 3:25:44 PM12/2/08
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I was barely more then a "grrl", Raving.

My then-soon to be father of my natural child(ren) and I were lying
around reviewing the advertisements in the NY Times Travel section to
decide where we wanted to take the older siblings of my natural child
(ren) for their summer vacation when I spied a teeny tiny
advertisement which the Chinese Embassy in NY had published for a two
+ week tour of China.

Apparently, yours truly, the then-soon to be father of my natural
child(ren), and, my natural child(ren)'s elder siblings were exactly
the type of Americans whom the US Department of State and the Chinese
Embassy were seeking to be the first "ordinary" americans to tour
China in fifty years, as, my/our initial inquiry was followed up with
two days of couriers going back and forth between our home, and, the
offices of the various officials in the US Department of State and the
Chinese Embassy to occaision the flight to San Francisco which
myself, the then-soon to be father of my natural child(ren), and the
elder siblings of my natural child(ren) took to San Francisco to catch
our 18 hour flight to Shainghai, China---a mere 48 hours later.

Anyone who cares to talk about world wind tours, best talk to yours
truly. :-))))

One minute I'm lying around perusing advertisements in the NY Times
Travel Section........

Two days later, me and mine are on a plane to SF to catch a plane to
Shainghai....and tour ALL of China in two plus weeks, which, in the
1980's, required one to fly aboard 40 year old Russian Aeroflots,
and/or take boat trips down the Yangtse, alongside house boats, which
anyone know, IF, they took a good long hard look at a world map and
notice how huge a geographical area China is to SEE in two plus weeks.

:-)))))


Raving

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Dec 2, 2008, 11:21:16 PM12/2/08
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Why am I not surprised. ... Holy shit!!!!
Message has been deleted

Linda

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Dec 3, 2008, 5:38:55 PM12/3/08
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> Why am I not surprised.  ... Holy shit!!!!-

You do not really mean that, nonetheless, it was an extraordinary,
and
quite likely, a very unique experience.

IF, as we had been led to believe, no "westerner" had toured the
whole of China for the previous 50 years, and, China's motive for
inviting the 12 of us was to learn from us what pleased seasoned but
otherwise ordinary american travelers, then, that which China
opened
to just the 12 of us determined what China would open to all those
who
went later based on that which we 12 responded positively to when all
of China had been opened to just us 12.


I've been a very privileged person entirely by happenstance---never
design, because of my "knack" for going places, more often then
not, on a whim, while such places are still in their natural or
pristine condition, IOW, in advance of the rest of civilization
with
it's maddening crowd.


At the time of my tour of China, which was approximately a quarter
of
a century ago, archaeologists were excavating Qin Shi Huang's
mausoleum and the army of life sized terracotta warriors and the
life sized terracotta horses Qin Shi Huang had had built to guard his
mausoleum and final resting place in the city of Xian.


Archaeological excavations like that one are conducted completely
underground since 2,200 plus year old artifacts they are digging for
would disintergrate if exposed to sunlight and air after 2,200 years.


As awesome as the terracotta warriors and horses were, and, they
were
AWESOME as AWESOME can be, I also thought the manner in which the
archaeologists conducted their excavation of Xian was also
awesome....as they were conducting six different excavations to obtain
artifacts from six entirely different historical epochs in
Xian.....and, my being able to see all six digs from six different
historical epochs in Xian, simultaneously, was just as awesome,
neato, super cool as the main excavation of Qin Shi Huang's mausoleum
and army of terracotta warriors and horses was, AFIAC.


Although barely more then a grrl, I had always been the sort of grrl
who made it my business to go places and see all I could see, hence,
I was someone who wasn't easily impressed, therefore, when I say I
was impressed by what I was shown in Xian, a quarter a century ago,
I' m saying a lot.


:-)))


PS: The Art of War by Sun Tzu is, IMO, one of the most impressive
pieces of literature ever written by anyone before or after.


:-)))))


Frank

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Dec 3, 2008, 9:05:32 PM12/3/08
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"Raving" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>Why am I not surprised. ... Holy shit!!!!

You should have been.

"When China first opened to international tourism in the late
1970s,......."

"I was impressed with this when I spoke with an aged Chinese man in
Shanghai in the summer of 1980" An American group that had been invited.

You'll find no public record of her account, especially none with her
name in it, Gore or otherwise.

There was a group, a rather large group, that had Grave's disease that
went their in the 90's and she was still not mentioned.

Bottom line use copious amounts of salt when reading her stuff.


Linda

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Dec 4, 2008, 11:08:48 PM12/4/08
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On Dec 3, 2:38 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
>The Art of War by Sun Tzu is, IMO, one of the most impressive
> pieces of literature ever written by anyone before or after.
>
> :-)))))-


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INFORMATION OPERATIONS THEORY

Sun Tzu "To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill"

T.S Eliot "Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"
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InformationOperations●DEFINITIONS●CURRENT ENVIRONMENT (DoD)●HISTORICAL
PRECEDENT (PSYOPS)●IO BASICS●ENCRYPTION
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Operations and Warfare●INFORMATION OPERATIONS●Information
Security●Information Superiority●Information Awareness●Information
Readiness●OOTW -- Operations Other Than WarINFORMATION
WARFAREAsymmetrical WarfareNet-Centric Warfare (NCW)Fourth Generation
Warfare
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"ASYMMETRY"A Polymorphic Term●Cultural Asymmetry●Asymmetrical Ciphers
(One-Way Encryption)●Asymmetrical Information Sharing
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BIBLIOGRAPHYLord, Carnes, and Barnett, K.R., ed., Political Warfare
and PsychologicalOperations, National Strategy Information Center,
1988Frank R. Barnett, B. Hugh Tovar, Richard H. Shultz, Special
Operationsin US Strategy, National Defense University Press (with
NationalStrategy Information Center)gg 1984Martin C. Libicki, Conquest
in Cyberspace - National Security andInformation Warfare, Cambridge
University Press, New York, NY,2007Melanie Gutjahr, The Intelligence
Archipelago, Joint MilitaryIntelligence College, Washington D.C.
2005Patrick D. Allen, Information Operations Planning, Artech
House,Norwood, MA, 2007
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Information Warfare: DefinitionLibicki:"The use of information to
attack information"". . . fundamentally about information and the
useto which information is put - making betterdecisions""Information
warfare remains largely theoretical""The control of information about
informationwarfare is itself an aspect of informationwarfare."
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Patrick D. Allen's List of "Sample IO DesiredEffects Compiled From
Various Sources":●Access●Cascading NetworkFailure●Control●Coordination
Failure●Create InformationVacuum●Decapitate●Deceive●Decision
Paralysis●Defeat●Degrade●Delay●Deny●Destroy●Desynchronize●Deter●Diminish●Dislocate●Disrupt●Divert●Exploit●Halt●Harass●Influence●Inform●Interrupted●Lose
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Libicki: "Information GLUT"(Information Overload)"The efflorescence of
information content and conduits tends tocomplicate the three basic
goals of information warfare: denial ofservice, interception
(exploitation), and corruption of informationfiles and flows."(p105)
Information Overload Results in:A)-top-down command (separation of
focus requires layers ofanalysis, micromanaging)B)-not enough time to
Process = delegation of responsibilityC)Consultants, Specialists"Can
more information technology cure the ills brought about byinformation
technology?"(115)
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Allen on a DEDICATEDInformation Domain:"In this stage of the
Information Age, the U.S. military isgrappling with whether or not it
needs to define theinformation sphere as a domain, similar to the air,
land, sea,and outer space domains that already exist. A few
notablepeople refer to this area an "information domain," while
otherscall it the "cyberspace domain," and still others refer to
variouselements of this area as either the "cognitive domain" or
the"information environment." We believe that "informationsphere"
should be the preferred term . . ."
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Allen's Proposed DoDINFORMATION DOMAIN:"The space defined by
relationships among actors, information,and information systems that
form a sphere of interest andinfluence in or through which information-
related activites,functions, and operations are undertaken to
accomplishmissions and exercise control over an opponent in order
toachieve desired effects."Actor: "sender, liaison, modifier,
transferor, or recipient,intended or unintended"Information: "The data
and content being passed among actorsvia information
systems"Information Systems: "any communications, informationstorage,
or information perceiving system, including couriers"
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INFORMATION OPERATIONSROADMAP -- Rumsfeld, 2003
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IO ROADMAP
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IO ROADMAP: GOALSCND: Computer Network Defense"Desired Outcome: A
robust, layered defenseacross DoD enhanced through global and
enclavesituational awareness with the centralizedcapability to rapidly
characterize, attribute andrespond to attacks.""This strategy should
be based on the premise thatthe Department will "fight the net" as it
would aweapons system."
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IO ROADMAP: GOALSCNA: Computer Network Attack"A comprehensive
interagency process isunderway to evaluate the use of offensive
cybertools and develop national policy.""Desired Outcome: Forces
trained with well-testedand reliable CNA weapons that are aligned
withappropriate target sets and integrated with other IOcapabilities
and weapon systems."
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CNA: LEGAL ISSUES". . . what level of data or operating system
manipulation constitutesan attack. This distinction is necessary to
clarify which actions can beappropriately taken in self-defense and
whether an action is an attack oran intelligence collection
operation.""A legal regime for handling the difficulty of
distinguishing betweendomestic and foreign sources of attack in
cyberspace is required. Itshould capitalize on newly acquired
authorities provided by the Patriotand Homeland Security Acts.""Legal
review should determine if appropriate authorities permitattack
through unwitting hosts (merely transiting or controlling the host
inorder to launch the attack) if the action elicits an attack against
the hostcomputer system.""Legal Review should determine what level of
certainty about theorigin of an attack is required before the U.S. can
respond in kind."
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IO ROADMAP: GOALSEW: Electronic Warfare"Examples include the non-
kinetic disruption ofWMD facilities and disabling/disruption
ofmissiles prior to launch.""Desired Outcome: Achieve "Dial an
Option"Electronic Attack capabilities that deny adversarysituational
awareness, disrupt command andcontrol and develop targeting solutions
to defeatweapons while protecting our against the same."
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IO ROADMAP: GOALSPSYOPS: Psychological Warfare"Over the last decade,
numerous studies have documented thedeterioration of the PSYOP
capabilites and recommendedremedial action. Although not officially
categorized as such,PSYOP has long been recognized as a low-density,
high-demand asset, which is particularly valued in the war
onterrorism.. . ."Desired outcome: A PSYOP force ready to
conductsophisticated target-audience analysis and modify behaviorwith
multi-media PYSOP campaigns featuring commercial-quality products that
can be rapidly disseminated through theCombatant Commanders area of
operations."
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PSYOPS: Details
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PSYOPS: Details
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PSYOPS: Details
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PSYOPS: Details
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PSYOPS: Details
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PSYOPS: Details
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IO ROADMAP: GOALSOPSEC: Operational Security"Desired Outcome; All
plans are built, and operationsexecuted, with priority attention to
operations security."More Red Teaming
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IO ROADMAP: GOALSMILDEC: Military Deception"The value of military
deception, like OPSEC, is intuitive."Standard case: WWII -- invasion
at Normandy instead offalsely advertised Calais.
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INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY* Independent Agencieso Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA)* United States Department of Defenseo Secretary of
Defense,through the Counterintelligence Field Activity(CIFA)o Air
Force Intelligence,Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency(AF ISR)AIAo
Army Intelligenceo Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)o Marine Corps
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National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)o National Security Agency (NSA)o
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Investigation (FBI)o Drug Enforcement Administration(DEA)* United
States Department of Stateo Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)*
United States Department of the Treasuryo Office of Intelligence and
Analysis
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INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITYHOW to organize the collection and sharing of
information ata national level has, since its initial creation in 1947
(National Security Act), consistently been a subject
ofdebate.Congressional Oversight Committees have repeatedly soughtand
suggested a more integrated approach.DoD fights to retain control and
retains the vast majority ofresources allocated to INFORMATION
GATHERINGwhich determines HOW the U.S. collaborates with othernations.
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Intelligence Reform andTerrorism Prevention Act 2004"must be seen as
the start of Community reform in the 21st Centry, not
theendgame."(Gutjahr, p185)-redefines "National Intelligence" (WMD as
separate, specific, category ofinformation) -- any information
gathered that pertains to more than oneorganization and relates to
U.S. Interests.-creation of Director of National Intelligence (role
formerly held by theDirector of Central Intelligence) "full range of
management, budgetary andpersonnel responsibilities needed to make the
entire U.S. intelligenceCommunity operate as a coherent whole."-
National Counterterrorism Center, National Counterproliferation
Center, withpossibility for moreProblems (according to Gutjahr):-An
Oversight: no new Congressional OVERSIGHT committees (also failedto
streamline oversight)-CIA and DoD still use incompatible information
systems (CIASource vs.SIPRNet)
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IC and ITNotes From INTELLIGENCE ARCHIPELAGO by Melanie M.H Gutjahr-
Gutjahr: We require "a more agile, streamlined, fluid, cooperative
andcollaborative Inteligence Commmunity"quoting John F. Lehman, 9/11
commissioner and former sec of navy:"There are no protocols for the
Intelligence Community for sharing. This isan IT problem. It's a deep,
embedded, funcitonal problem throughout theCommunity for common
protocols for information."-Gutjahr: "The Community must now endeavor
to collect against looselyaffiliated, networked adversaries using
commercial off-the-shelfcommunciations equipment and encryption
devices."-CIA uses CIASource. DoD uses SIPRNet. These are NOT
crosscompatible . . .Term: HORIZONTAL Integration (AGILE / EXTREME
Programming)
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Major Conceptual StumblingBlocks / Disagreements-Acceptance of PSYOPS
and IO as OverarchingAll aspects of Logistics-Understanding of
"operations" as opposed to"warfare" to allow for "friendly" conquest.
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Historical PrecedentThe origin of INFORMATION THEORY coincidedwith the
origin of the CIA and NSA:Claude Shannon: 1948 "A Mathematical Theory
ofCommunication"(How to encode messages and prevent informationloss/
uncertainty)The CIA and NSA were created one year earlier, in1947
(National Security Act)
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Historical PrecedentEven before the CIA there was PSYOPS:Alfred H.
Paddock, Jr., "U.S Army Special Warfare: It's Origins" NationalDefense
University Press, 1982:On the man behind the WWII Office of Strategic
Services (precursor to theCIA) -> ("WILD" Bill Donovan)"Donovan's
concept of psychological warfare was all-encompassing. The firststage
would be 'intelligence penetration,' with the results processed by R&A
[Research and Analysis], available for strategic planning and
propaganda.Donovan called propaganda the 'arrow of initial
penetration' and believedthat it would be the first phase in
operations against an enemy. The nextphase would be special
operations, in the form of sabotage and subversion,followed by
commando-like raids, guerilla actions, and behind-the-linesresistance
movements. All of this represented the softening-up process,prior to
invasion by friendly armed forces. Donovans' visionary dream wasto
unify these functions in support of conventional operations,
therebyforging 'a new instrument of war.'
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Theoretical Goal of IOFrom Libicki:Quoting Ryan Henry and C. Edward
Peartree "Military Theory andInformation Warfare" Parameters,
1998:"The more radical of the theorists predict that
informationwarfare will not only provide dominant awareness of the
battlespace;it will also allow us to manipulate, exploit, or disable
enemyinformation systems electronically. The intent here evidently is
toknock an enemy senseless - literally - and leave him at the mercy
notonly of conventional kinetic attack, but of psychological
operationsaimed at controlling his perceptions and decision-making
abilities.Public opinion is to be shaped, leaders will be cut off from
citizens,and the mind of the enemy will be directly penetrated and his
strategydefeated. In the ideal case, all this will occur bloodlessly,
fulfillingSun Tzu's goal of victory without battle. At least that's
thetheory."(p38)
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PSYOPS and IOPSYOPS and IO are very closely related (not just one
element . . .)Lessons can be learned from the HISTORICAL BACKGROUND
ofPsychological Operations as it resonates with the current
"Roadmap"PSYOPS is another abstract instrument of war that had a
majororganizational re-evaluation begun in the 1980's . . .Psyops:
Considered by some to be the most effective non-lethal weaponat the
disposal of SOCOM [special operations command]Paddock in the 80's:
"There is no US national-level organization forPSYOP" we need to treat
it as a "weapons system" not as an"afterthought"
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What is PSYOP?Vagueness of Definition due toBreadth of
ApplicationLord: "a psychological-political component isinherent in
every use of the diplomatic, economic,and military instruments of
national power"Richard Stilwell: "the nonintrinsic instruments
ofnational power"Alfred H Paddock Jr: "unconventional warfare"
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What is PSYOP?Paddock Elaborates (in the 80's):"may be defined broadly
as the planned use ofcommunications to influence human attitudes and
behavior.It consists of political, military, and ideological
actionsconducted to create in target groups behavior, emotions,and
attitudes that support the attainment of nationalobjectives. If used
properly, PSYOP will nomralllyprecede, accompany, and follow all
applications of force.This will be carried out under the broader
umbrella of USnational policy, and the military component of the
overallpsychological operations effort should be coordinated fullyand
carefully with other agencies of government."
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What is PSYOP?Barry Zorthian: "We obviously have a semantic
problemthat's never been solved. We're not always in agreement onthe
meaning terms such as psywar, communications,psychological operations,
media relations, politicaloperations. They cover a vast amount of
ground. If we putaside combat psychological operations and look at the
restof it as the political dimension - the communicationsdimension -
of a national effort, whether in a context ofconventional or low-
intensity combat or even in 'violentpeacetime,' then perhaps we can
all get together and betalking about the same thing." (PWPO p73)
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What is PSYOP?Barry Zorthian: "You cannot
compartmentalizecommunication. Communication with the media has to
beconsistent with communication to the enemy, to thirdparties, to the
rest of the world. PSYOP andcommunication with the media are part of
the samewhole."p74Codevilla: "our policymakers have not been competent
atmaking foreign policy and military strategy."Abram Shulsky : "One
can't have, as Dr. Codevilla says, atwo-track policy, one track secret
and one public, withoutthere being a real strategy somewhere in the
backgroundrelating the two." (PWPO p106)
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More DefinitionsPolitical Warfare:Angelo M. Codevilla: "the forceful
politicalexpression of policy."PWSOp77"the marshaling of human
support, oropposition, in order to achieve victory in war or
inunbloody conflicts as serious as war."
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More DefinitionsCodevilla on Gray Propaganda:Radio Free Europe, Voice
of America, etc. with gov funds "onbehalf of something bigger than the
US government" --"Outside of aresponsible policy process"and Black
Propaganda:Church and Pike Committees of 1970's discovered
manyinstances.e.g. spread info about sexual misdeeds of Indonesia's
leftistdictator, SUKARNO, then spreading them about the world
throughchannels notattributable to US.
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IO Foretold in PSYOP debateAn OBSERVATION from Codevilla:"Soon it will
be possible to beam, not broadcast,radio and television signals
anhywhere in theworld. In other words, it will be possible for
onepeople to take part in another's domestic politicaldiscussion. But
what messages do we wish tosend? And to what end?"p99
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IO Foretold in PSYOP debateAn OBSERVATION from FRANK BARNETT"12 Steps
to Reviving American Psyop" (in PWPO)" Just as the hardware of missles
can bemodernized, so can the software of PSYWAR"p216
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IO Foretold in PSYOP debateRobert Kingston:"PSYOP could be the essence
and the core ofinsurgency and couterinsurgency operations." p143"PSYOP
planning and operations should blanketall phases of political-military
operations, startingwith inernational tension and going through allpre-
conflict, conflict, and post-conflict phases." "Idon't believe we
fully understand the potential forpeacetime overt psychological
operations."
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PYSOPS Problems = IO ProblemsThe IMPORTANCE of PSYOPS has been
REPEATEDLY LOST / Forgotten /Misunderstood:lord: "Precisely because
the instruments of pscyhological-politicalconflict are not altogether
disctinctive, this arena requires fullyintegrated planning and
coordinated operations throughout virtuallythe entire national
security bureacracy. This coordination has alwaysproven difficult for
the US government . . . " (p27)-- lack of support in military and
state dep't points to CIA -- butunable to cooperate.-- need collective
goal of DISSEMINATION as well as ofCOLLECTION--in other words, we lack
cohesive analysis of the MESSAGES wesend and cohesive analysis of the
MESSAGES we receive."the very identification of PSYOP as a special
forces mission hastended to isolate it from normal military activies
and bring under acertain suspicion, which its "black" connotations
have furtherstrengthened."p28
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"WARFARE"FINALLY:Is it just "warfare?" == Lord: "Psychological-
Political operations neednot be directed only to adversaries; indeed,
not only neutral but also alliedand semi-allied nations potentially
constitute highly important targets, sincethe weakening of US alliance
structures is a a key strategic objective of thepolitical warfare
activities of the Soviet Union. And, of course,psychological-political
operations need not be undertaken only in a contextof military
conflict. On the other hand, to divorce psychological-
politicaloperations entirely from the arena of internationl conflict
and nationalstrategy - a natural tendency in the United States and
other Westerndemocracies, for cultural as well as bureaucratic reasons
= runs the risk ofcutting them adrift from any tangible national
purpose and destroying theireffectiveness." p17Related to Libicki's
notion of "FRIENDLY CONQUEST INCYBERSPACE"
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HACKER ARMIES"South Korea's Defense Ministry claims NorthKorea may
have trained as many as 600 computerhackers to launch cyber-attacks
against he UnitedStates and South Korea. Although computers are
ararity and Internet access in North Korea is almostnon-existent, the
Defense Ministry maintains NorthKorea information warfare capabilities
had reachedthe level of advanced countries." Gutjahr p106How does one
distinguish between random hackersand ones hired by a Nation?
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The Threat of ITGutjahr: Quoting Aris A. Pappas senior community
magaement staff officer:"Technology is no longer a U.S. monopoly. We
are now facing the same reality thatconfronted the Soviets: technology
is, and has always been, ideologically neutral.It benefits anyone with
access and means. This simple fact now represent anenormous challenge
to US intelligence.". . . Whereas satellite imagery and signal and
comm intercepts provided the US an"information edge" it is no longer
so.Pappas and Simon: "The IC will encounter surprises from both the
use of knowntechnology in unexpected ways and the innovative
application of a combinationof new technolgies."Quoting Hayden before
Joint Intelligence Community in 2004:"The volume, variety and velocity
of human communications make our missionmore difficult each day. A
SIGINT agency has to look like its target. We have tomaster whatever
technology the target is using . . . We had acted successfullyagainst
a resource-poor, oligarchic, technologically inferior, and
overlybureaucratic nation state. Now we had to keep pace with a
globaltelecommunication revolution, probably the most dramatic
revolution in humancommunications since Gutenberg's invention of
movable type."
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The Threat of ITGutjahr, quoting G. Tenet at Senate Armed
ServicesCommittee:"America stood out as an object for admiration,envy,
and blame. This created a kind of culturalasymmetry. To us,
Afghanistan seemed very faraway. To members of al-Qa'ida, America
seemedvery close. In a sense, they were more globalizedthan we
were." (p109)
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SECURITY and CONNECTIVITYFrom Gutjahr:Thomas P.M.
Barnett:Disconnectedness Defines Danger-The CORE (Globalized World)-
The GAP (non-Globalized)-Increase SECURITY by increasingCONNECTIVITY
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FRIENDLY CONQUESTMartin Libicki:"Lost in this clamor about the threat
from hackers isanother route to conquest in cyberspace, notthrough
disruption and destruction but throughseduction leading to asymmetric
dependence. Theseducer, for instance, could have an informationsystem
attractive enough to entice other individualsor institutions to
interact with it by, for instance,exchanging information or being
grantedaccess."(p3)Learning from Microsoft = Determine theSTANDARDS of
information sharing . . .
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FRIENDLY CONQUESTMartin Libicki:"Hostile conquest is more often
expressed not ascontrol but as denial - the demonstrated ability
totake from the victim full use of its owninfrastructure."(p125).
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FRIENDLY CONQUEST(see Joseph Nye on "SOFT POWER")-voluntary
transactions (at first)-leads to unwarranted influence of conquerer's
systems-asymmetrical coaltion (builder of system vs. user)-information
is special for coalition development:-it's cheap/free-a question of
ACCESS THROUGH and OF cyberspace-web makes it easier, cost effective,
offers a steady stream (likeMicrosofts .Net initiative)-using common
solutions = seeing common problems-i.e. why learn two ways of doing
same thing?
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FRIENDLY CONQUESTDoD's GLOBAL INFORMATION GRIDcould be used in this
way by following theMicrosoft model of controlling information
bycontrolling the FORMAT of information --building a DOMINANT system
and spreadingCOMPATIBILITY.
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FRIENDLY CONQUESTGeospatial Data's Potential for Friendly Conquest?-To
map something is, in a deep sense, toown it (Libicki, p170)-A good
BARGAINING chip-Maps as whiteboards for collaboration.
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FRIENDLY CONQUESTThat Joseph Nye Quote:From Gutjahr (p125): Joseph S.
Nye, Jr. Chairmanof the National Intelligence Council, in
1995:"Knowledge, more than ever before, is power. Theone country that
can best lead the informationrevolution will be more powerful than any
other.For the foreseeable future, that country is theUnited States."
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Information and InformationSystemsLayers of Computer Information and
Systems:Physical (hardware, infrastructure, wires)Syntactic (format,
instruction, control -- the rules)Semantic (human-understood info --
versions ofreality, images, videos)->*complexity helps blur the
boundary betweencommands (syntactic) and info (semantic)e.g.: system
commands hidden in images . . .
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Information SystemsLibicki:"The advent of a true semantic layer is
likely tocreate more avenues for friendly conquest. Theinfluence
accrues to whoever wins the right todefine the words that refer to the
real world - thatis, what they encompass and exclude . . . Adeveloped
pragmatic layer, should it occur, wouldoffer even more impetus for
friendly conquest byreinforcing the role of semantic exchange." (p255)
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Misinformation and DisinformationLibicki:KINDS OF NOISEMisinformation -
> believing what is not trueDisinformation -> being unable to believe
what is true (p50)Notice this USER-based definition as opposed to the
state department(where it is based on INTENT)State Department
definition:http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/
26-288268.htmlbased on INTENTSee -> IO_ROADMAP -> Targeting
AudiencesHumans: A PRIORI logic (we find it hard to believe based on
presupposition)Computers: Once something is IN the system, it is
LEGITIMATE (even if beyondreason)
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NOISEWHAT are basic methods of attack?-Add NOISE to a signal:-Extra
Information to WASH OUT important infoDefense through
RedundancyTrellis EncodingHopfield Net (node based, like neurons)
Fourier TransformsDefense through FilteringKnowing how much noise is
comingKnowing how much to let through(human filtering of tabloids, for
instance)
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NOISE TOLERANCECASTLES vs AGORASDEFENSE: Noise TOLERANCE (car
manufacturing vs. wall street)The case to OPEN up strongly protected
networks like SIPRnet andNIPRnet (btw: the I-love-you virus got
through to SIPRNet)-Outsourced Experts-Collaboration info sharing-
knowledge circulation-multimedia, software, simulation. . . all
require interconnectedness"Those who can keep their enemies in the
castle own the agora"(P71)-- "induce the adversary to close itself
off" -- and thereby lose theadvantage of a more open system.How much
noise can an information conduit withstand before it is istotallly
destroyed (p56)
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GETTING IN-seduce a spy (KGB nuclear spies)-remote maintenance port
(air-duct)-pre-built backdoors (the Swiss did it)-wifi mining-
wiretapping
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ONCE INSPYING (eavesdropping)DENIAL OF SERVICE (flooding)CORRUPTION
(inserting anomalies)DISTRACTION (false alarms)
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PING ECHO FLOOD SAG-how does enemy react to information injection?
(does it limit AGILITY or INTEGRATION?)-how intolerant of info
overload?---------------------------------------------------------------
Collect Decision-Making Info-Plant Surveillance-Insert irrelevant info-
Measure response
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NO FORCED ENTRYrather, exploitation of vulnerabilities-exception:
flooding attacks (crowding ports)-As such, IO is critically tied to
DECEPTION-Seeks to cause MISCHIEF (Friendly Fire,Collateral
Damage)-"The future of information systems securityhas far more to do
with the future of informationsystems vulnerabilities than with
informationweapons."(p40)-"not a precision instrument . . . effects
ofattack are based on system's construction and itsentry points."
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PROBLEMS with IOUNPREDICTABILITY:"It is very difficult to prepare
strategically -- unlike chess, Nth orderdecisions are made on an ever-
changing board. IO addresses the veryability to make decisions."-To
understand vulnerabilities of a system, "One would need to knowhow
humans would react to failures in their machines = what trustwould
they put in them, what measures would they take in the fact ofinduced
doubt, how redundant would machines be made, how quicklycan they learn
that something is wrong, and so on. There is almost noempirical data
on act of information warfare in wartime, and onlyscattered
information on braoder systemic relationships betweencomputer-based
information and the decisions they inform."(p92)-WHAT will be attacked
is something we have overlooked -- a faultydetail. We simply don't
know how the system will respond.-System Architecture can change "in
between moves"
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PROBLEMS with IO StrategyOTHER PROBLEMATIC PRACTICALITES:-"Reducing
the control that an adversary possesses renders war-limitation, as
opposed to warfighting, strategies HARDER, not easier,to carry
out"(p97)- Perversity is easy ("polluting an information source leads
others todiscard it and therefore alleviates . . . the opponents
informationglut"p122)-"Frustrates normal command and control" --
leaks, keystrokeoversight . . .- collateral damage "the affected
system may be controlling orinfluencing processes and services of
which the attacker isunaware"(p99)-"such uncertainy makes integration
into combined arms a hairy bearof a problem" (p99)
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Information Security Bullet Points-easy to be misinformed about
Information Systems-probing itself can:alert owners, mask action,
cause lack of confidencein a system, reveal weakness of response-
different in war than in peace (level of security,focus of operation)
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IO COLLATERAL DAMAGE"The more the world's economy becomes globalized,
the harder it is topredict the ripples from any one act of
mischief."(p259)
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Terrorists and the InternetJihad 2.0 (by Nadya Labi) -- Terrorists Use
of the Internet:Recruiting, Distribution, Command / Controlthe
internet is "a vast recruiting ground - in effect, a new
borderlessAfghanistan" (Libicki quoting Nadya Labi, Jihad 2.0)
Terrorist presence on internet has "assumed evanescent qualities . . .
allin all, what makes the Jihadist terrorists so difficult to confront
incyberspace is that they have not attempted to conquer it in any
way,shape, or form. They defend nowhere, the better to
appearanywhere."(p262)Terrorism and FRAUD (from Gutjahr, p105) quoting
Ronald Noble"Interpol believes there is a significant link between
counterfeitingand terrorism in locations where there are entrenched
terroristgroups."
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Encryption as a WeaponEncryption as a WEAPON- 1990s (from THE CODE
BOOK, bySimon Singh)1998 -- 33 nations sign the Wassenaar Arragement
limiting armsexports, which also covers powerful encryption
technologies.1993 Pat Zimmerman becomes subject of grand jury
investigationPGP (Pretty Good Privacy)http://www.pgpi.org/pgpi/IDEA,
PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) fueled by Business interests,International
Law
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Methods of DecryptionMETHODS OF DECRYPTION:Traffic Analysis (who is
sending how much information to whom)Trojan Horse (seems like a legit
Encryption but not really . . . actuallyrecords key and sends it along
to designer of the virus)Tempest Attack -- detects electromagnetic
signals emitted byelectronics on a computer's display unit (prevented
with shieldingmaterials -- need a license in the US to buy the
material)Backdoor -- something which allows designers to decrypt
user'smessagese.g. Crypto AG (Swiss Company) -- how US caught
assassins offormer prime minister
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History of EncryptionHistory of ENCRYPTIONFrom THE CODE BOOK, by Simon
Singh (Fermat's Enigma guy)1960's ARPA -- DOD's Advanced Research
Projects Agency -- "tried tofind a way of connecting military
computers across vast distances"p254 for"robustness" and backup plans.
1969 - ARPANet (in 1982 it became the Internet)1973 America's National
Bureau of Standards formally requests proposalsfor a standard
encryption system that would allow business to speak secretlyunto
business p248LUCIFER (IBM) BY HORST FEISTEL (NSA had wanted "monopoly
oncryptographic research")GREATEST problem in cryptography was KEY
DISTRIBUTIONUS gov keys managed by COMSEC (communications security)
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History of Encryption1975: Whitfield Diffie, Martin Hellman, Ralph
Merkle conceptualizesAsymmetrical cyphersONE WAY FUNCTION (Y^x (mod P))
PUBLIC KEY CRYPTOGRAPHRY or NONSECRET ENCRYPTIONRSA (Rivest, Shamir,
Adleman) -- ASYMMETRICAL cyphers ("a one-wayfunction that can be
reversed only if the receiver has some specialinformation"p273)--
process of descrambling is not just opposite of scrambling-- even the
encrypting party cannot decrypt the message . . .-- "padlock" analogy
(anyone can lock the message, but only one canunlock)Large Prime
Numbers multilied to N (10 to the 308)Will someone find a quick way to
factor N to two PRIME numbers? Notyet.*Actually invented at Government
Communications HQ in Britain by JamesEllis . . .
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History of EncryptionSingh's examples of ASYMMETRICAL cipher (quoted
verbatim):1- Alice must create a public key, which she would then
publish so that Bob(and everybody else) can use it to encrypt messages
to her. Because thepublic key is a one-way function, it must be
virtually impossible foranybody to reverse it and decrypt Alice's
messages.2- However, Alice needs to decrypt the messages being sent to
her. Shemust therefore have a private key, some special piece of
information, whichallows her to reverse the effect of the public key.
Therefore, Alice (andAlice alone) has the power to decrypt any
messages sent to her. (p274)
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ConclusionConclusion:If anyone asks, I am not really studying
thisphenomenon.

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Stephen Cambone

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Dec 5, 2008, 4:36:35 PM12/5/08
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Yes I really do mean that. ...

There is something which is inherently and deeply "Ch'in" about your
'indomitable, sheer cliff face(t)' POV. Albeit that 'Frank' advises to
take what you say with a grain of salt, this seems to be one of those
"truth is stranger than fiction" moments. Even if it weren't so, it so
weird and so in keeping as to be wishfully so.

Like it or lump it, the following is much your style ... including
it's paradoxical contradictions. It is too easy to ridicule you about
it and I am loathe to do such because I respect an essential truthful
quality, somewhere therein. ... But very confusing to me; perhaps in
the same way that it was confusing about Maoism, Qin and communism
itself.

"Although the bourgeoisie has been overthrown, it is still trying to
use the old ideas, culture, customs, and habits of the exploiting
classes to corrupt the masses, capture their minds, and endeavor to
stage a comeback. The proletariat must do just the opposite: It must
meet head-on every challenge of the bourgeoisie in the ideological
field and use the new ideas, culture, customs, and habits of the
proletariat to change the mental outlook of the whole of society. At
present, our objective is to struggle against and crush those persons
in authority who are taking the capitalist road, to criticize and
repudiate the reactionary bourgeois academic "authorities" and the
ideology of the bourgeoisie and all other exploiting classes and to
transform education, literature and art, and all other parts of the
superstructure that do not correspond to the socialist economic base,
so as to facilitate the consolidation and development of the socialist
system."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolution#Immediate_influences

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On Dec 4, 11:08 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2:38 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> >The Art of War by Sun Tzu is, IMO, one of the most impressive
> > pieces of literature ever written by anyone before or after.
>
> > :-)))))-
>
> This is the html version of the filehttp://wolftype.com/ucsb/io_cola.pdf.

> Google automatically generates html versions of documents as we crawl
> the web.
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> INFORMATION OPERATIONS THEORY
>
> Sun Tzu "To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill"
>
> T.S Eliot "Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"
Sun Tzu sure was a passive/aggressive bastard! <g>

As for T.S Eliot ...
'Decimization' is Eliot's essential POV. Hmm, Eliot is all about ...
sparse matrices, marginalization ....

"“This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.”

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t_s_eliot.html

As for "Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" ...

Reversal of perspective!! Confusion between past and present ...
Wow!!! A bit of descriptive 'trickery' that happens to mean a great
deal to me ATM. Thank you for the reference Linda.

P.S. Even though I didn't originally coin the phrase "Information
Overload", for years I was mis-credited with having invented the
concept. It's interesting to see the degree to which the phrase has
spread into common usage. It would seem that it stands out as being
very 'memorable'.

Linda

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If you had not been being FORCED to read every gosh darn thing I say
through the "Linda Prism" which the sinister individuals tasked with
providing man-to-man coverage of yours truly these past eight plus
years have all been FORCING you to read everything I say through, do
you think what I say would seem "paradoxical" and/or anywhere near as
confusing to you?

IOW, do you think it's possible that these socalled "paradoxes" and/
or your confusion are the byproduct of what you IMAGINE I'm saying as
a result of the
the extraordinarily distorted prism through which you are reading
every gosh darn thing I say?

If, you think it's possible, then, what choice do I have but to don
a formidable cliff in order to be able to grin and bear the outrageous
abuse being heaped upon me as of the result of my being and having
been unlawfully prohibited from acting as my own agent in my
interactions with others by the lying stalking filth's serial and
criminal gangstalking of yours truly for eight plus years and
counting, because, the lying stalking filth's fear, rightfully so,
that they will be prosecuted for crimes, which include capital
offenses, IF everyone were able to read what I have to say through a
prism which I create via my own gosh darn agency?

Now, you publicly expressed your wish that I relieve you of the
tediousness of reading my regularly scheduled programming by
interspersing my regularly scheduled programming with articles about
The Great Wall of China and the Mausoleum guarded by life sized
terracotta warriors and their horses which the Emperor credited with
uniting China had had erected 2,200 plus years ago.

Having had the great honor and privilege of having been amongst the
very first ordinary americans whom *both* China and the US State
Department had approved to tour China in approximately fifty years,
your wish was one I was capable of responding positively to because
both of the places you mentioned are places I'd been to while I was
touring China a quarter of a century ago.

Which all seems straight forward enough to yours truly.

However, I'm not amongst those willing to read the toxic crappola
which sinister individuals publish to force everyone to view the world
through the distorted prism which sinster individuals want everyone to
view the world through; therefore, I can't know how something which
seems so straight forward to me appears to individuals who chose to
read crap being published by sinister individuals endeavoring to force
them to view the world through the distorted prism the sinister
individuals want everyone to view the world through.

Which leaves me little choice but to don my formidable cliff and leave
you to cope with your self-imposed confusion and/or ponder the
socalled paradoxes, which, more then likely, only exist in your
imagination, because, your self-imposed confusion and/or imaginary
paradoxes make discussion which proceeds in a logical manner damn near
IMPOSSIBLE.

.

Frank

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"Linda" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:d82509ca-7d96-45fd...@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

===============================================
Hmmmm, truth be out. 2008-25 (her 1/4 century)=1983. Nope, no special
news their either regarding Linda in her married name or maiden name.
Gee, wonder why? Maybe her Linda prism is a special one of her own
choosing? All you have to do Linda is provide a little proof, easily
done with links on the NET. Oh, and do proof read your posts rather than
getting all flustered, it makes you look like your degenerative disease
is taking its toll on you.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Which all seems straight forward enough to yours truly.

===============================================
Of course! You have your special "prism". ;)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

However, I'm not amongst those willing to read the toxic crappola
which sinister individuals publish to force everyone to view the world
through the distorted prism which sinster individuals want everyone to
view the world through; therefore, I can't know how something which
seems so straight forward to me appears to individuals who chose to
read crap being published by sinister individuals endeavoring to force
them to view the world through the distorted prism the sinister
individuals want everyone to view the world through.

Which leaves me little choice but to don my formidable cliff and leave
you to cope with your self-imposed confusion and/or ponder the
socalled paradoxes, which, more then likely, only exist in your
imagination, because, your self-imposed confusion and/or imaginary
paradoxes make discussion which proceeds in a logical manner damn near
IMPOSSIBLE.

================================================
Don't jump of your cliff, not publicly anyhow.

You have no proof of what you purport to have done, and like chicken
little running around yelling "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"
you now wonder why few have any confidence in "your truth". It is your
"prism" dearie, we've seen your posts, your "reality" and it is
painfully ovbious to all where you stand, but like Raving said,
interesting nonetheless.
.


Linda

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Dec 7, 2008, 1:01:42 AM12/7/08
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Much to my chagrin, I might add, since I would have liked to have had
a discussion where mutual enlightenment wrt China was the point.

Raving

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On Dec 6, 11:57 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 1:36 pm, Raving <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> If you had not been being FORCED to read every gosh darn thing I say
> through the "Linda Prism" ...
> ...you to read everything I say through, do

> you think what I say would seem "paradoxical" and/or anywhere near as
> confusing to you?
Yes.

>
> IOW, do you think it's possible that these socalled "paradoxes" and/
> or your confusion are the byproduct of what you IMAGINE I'm saying as
> a result of the
> the extraordinarily distorted prism through which you are reading
> every gosh darn thing I say?

Yes and No.

>
> If, you think it's possible, then, what choice do I have but to don

> a formidable cliff ...?
There is no choice. It is your essential strength.

> ... IF everyone were able to read what I have to say through a


> prism which I create via my own gosh darn agency?

That is what others have to work with. What they make of it or how
they see you is a different question. YMMV.

>
> Which leaves me little choice but to don my formidable cliff and leave
> you to cope with your self-imposed confusion and/or ponder the
> socalled paradoxes, which, more then likely, only exist in your
> imagination, because, your self-imposed confusion and/or imaginary
> paradoxes make discussion which proceeds in a logical manner damn near
> IMPOSSIBLE.

The topic is not an easy one and it isn't just you who are confusing
me, its everyone. I probably confuse myself most of all.

There is a small amount of that 'monolithic, sheer, cliff face in
myself. ( When I recognize this about myself... When I go to express
it about myself ... I usually get confused as a result of doing such.)

We also share an aptitude for for immense overview, as experienced by
very rapid and fluid, temporal sweep of awareness.

I prefer not to use the term 'Circular Chinese reasoning', even though
that might be a facsimile description of the process.

Beyond that, I prefer to not talk about the subject in 'personally,
and emotionally subjective' ... or ... 'moral right/wrong' terms. I
have *SUFFICIENT* understanding to know that ethical/emotional/
decisive comparisons are not part of my confused stumbles.

In part, my confusion occurs because I work at an exceedingly close
focus. The depth of field of my awareness, is tiny. Any change in
standpoint or POV requires large, visceral, timely, stressful
redeployment of awareness.

An overview that is used for the sake of navigation is often
unaccessible.

anoldfriend

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On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:30:13 -0500, Frank wrote
(in article <ghfn05$62i$1...@aioe.org>):


And you have not and never will be able to prove that she didn't go to China.


Spending your days researching the facts of her trip to China and not proving
anything but your obsession with her, is sad.


Linda

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Dec 7, 2008, 8:27:52 PM12/7/08
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On Dec 7, 5:20 am, Raving <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 11:57 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:> On Dec 5, 1:36 pm, Raving <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you had not been being FORCED to read every gosh darn thing I say
> > through the "Linda Prism" ...
> > ...you to read everything I say through,  do
> > you think what I say would seem "paradoxical" and/or anywhere near as
> > confusing to you?
>
> Yes.

Evidently, I failed to phrase the question very well. :-)

>
>
>
> > IOW,  do you think it's possible that these socalled "paradoxes" and/
> > or your confusion are the byproduct of what you IMAGINE I'm saying as
> > a result of the
> > the extraordinarily distorted prism through which you are reading
> > every gosh darn thing I say?
>
> Yes and No.
>
>
>
> > If,  you think it's possible,  then,  what choice do I have but to don
> > a formidable cliff  ...?
>
> There is no choice. It is your essential strength.

Morality / ethics dictate there is no choice, not moi.

>
> > ... IF everyone were able to read what I have to say through a
> > prism which I create via my own gosh darn agency?
>
> That is what others have to work with.

What "others"?

Usenet's Sci and Soc heirarchies are the usenet heirarchies chartered
for the creation of forums for individuals desiring the discussion and/
or support which ASAD's resident lying stalking filth were/are
constandly saying they want.

Given the nature of the loose association which exists between ALL 500
of usenet's lying stalking filth, it would have been easy as pie for
ASAD's lying stalking filth to create Soc.support.attn-deficit forum
in the Soc heirarchy for the supportive discussions ASAD's lying
stalking filth SAY were/are constantly saying they desire, by,
rallying all 500 of usenet's lying stalking filth to Vote Yes to
assure there were 100 more yes then no votes.

The fact ASAD's lying stalking filth never did so is prima facia
evidence the supportive discussions ASAD's lying stalking filth say
they want were not ASAD's lying stalking filth's motive for fouling up
ASAD with their presence.

Furthermore, the apocalypse which usenet's lying stalking filth
occaisioned in usenet's alternative forums, like
Alt.support.depression.medication, was occaisioned IN SPITE of the
pre-existence of soc.support.depression.treatment is prima facia
evidence that ASAD's lying stalking filth would have eschewed a
soc.support.attn-defict forum chartered explicitly for the supportive
discussions they all "say" they desire, just like ASD-med's lying
stalking filth eschewed soc.support.depression.treatment even though
it is chartered for the supportive discussion they all "say" they
desire, in favor, of subscribing to ASAD, ASD-med, to stalk and
terrorize the only legitimate subscribers in all alternative support
groups, who are, the subset or group or groups of people whom
history stepped on.

The then-babies, now-adult survivors whom history stepped on where
the topic of attention deficit is concerned identity themselves in
innumerable ways like C/S/X'ers, for example, however, whatever
they call themselves, what they all have in common is that they are
adult survivors of childhood psychiatric abuse.

They are LEGION.

I know you think you have ADD, but, usenet's SCI and SOC heirarchies
are the place for you to seek supportive discussion for your belief.

So, mind telling me what sort of hideous morally bankrupt vaccuum you
reside in, that causes you to eschew subscribing to forums dedicated
to supporting and reinforcing your, ahem, beliefs bout yourself, in
favor, of squatting your egomaniacal arse in an alternative forum for
no other reason then to DISPLACE it's legitimate subscribers to
preclude them from having a VOICE?

>What they make of it or how
> they see you is a different question.

No, it's not.

One is either an autonomous individual whose interactions with others
is the product of their own agency, OR, one is not an autonomous
individual whose interactions with others are the result of their own
agency, but, are the consequence of the malicious behaviors being
engaged in by one or more sinister others to ensure ones interactions
with others are the consequences of the malicious behaviors others are
engaging in to interfere with their autonomy and ability to be their
own agent.

Because, we live in a society of laws, law enforcers are the only
individuals vested with the authority to DO something about
individuals who violate others inalienable and constitutionally
protected right to freedom of association.

Whereever "others" are powerless to DO something to remedy a
situation, morals and ethics dictate "others" take a pass whenever
they come upon a situation where the law enforcers vested with the
only authority to DO something about individuals violating other
individuals inalienable and constitutional right to freedom of
assoication, refuse to enforce a citizens 14th amendment right to the
equal protection of their inalienable and constitutionally guaranteed
right to freedom of assoication.

Which is precisely what all morally upright and ethical individuals
have always done when they happened the scene wherein yours truly was
being libeled, harassed, plaguarized, hacked, forged, stalked and
terrorized by the computer and other criminals who serial and
criminally stalk and terrorize myself and other innocent americans.


>
> > Which leaves me little choice but to don my formidable cliff and leave
> > you to cope with your self-imposed confusion and/or ponder the
> > socalled  paradoxes,  which,   more then likely,  only exist in your
> > imagination, because,  your self-imposed confusion and/or imaginary
> > paradoxes make discussion which proceeds in a logical manner damn near
> > IMPOSSIBLE.
>
> The topic is not an easy one and it isn't just you who are confusing
> me, its everyone. I probably confuse myself most of all.
>
> There is a small amount of that 'monolithic, sheer, cliff face in
> myself.  ( When I recognize this about myself... When I go to express
> it about myself ... I usually get confused as a result of doing such.)
>
> We also share an aptitude for for immense overview, as experienced by
> very rapid and fluid, temporal sweep of awareness.
>
> I prefer not to use the term 'Circular Chinese reasoning', even though
> that might be a facsimile description of the process.
>
> Beyond that, I prefer to not talk about the subject in 'personally,
> and emotionally subjective' ... or ... 'moral right/wrong' terms.  I
> have *SUFFICIENT* understanding to know that ethical/emotional/
> decisive comparisons are not part of my confused stumbles.

I see.

Well, I don't give a rat's arse about the personal, emotional, or
subjective.

My bag is that usenet's lying stalking filth are serial stalkers,
AND, stone cold blooded murderers, albeit, if usually in the 2nd
degree

My bag is that usenet's lying stalking filth have stalked and murdered
lots of other before yours truly, and, will keep right on stalking
and murdering lots of others after they succeed in stalking me to my
death, until or unless someone has the moral courage to stand up and
say HEY, these lying SOB's are vicious stalkers AND stone cold
blooded murderers, albeit in the second degree, and, since it's my
great misfortune to be among those who are keenly aware of the facts,
it's my OBLIGATION to be among those the stand up guy/gal who
says...HEY, these lying SOB's are vicious stalkers AND stone cold
blooded murderers, albeit, in the second degree.

My bag is that my obligation dictates I don a monolithic and
formidable cliff in response to any and all the ruthless and
unscrupulous individuals whose lack of personal ethics and/or a moral
compass incites them to try and manipulate me into undonning my
monolithic and formidable cliff, even whilst surrounded by the lying
stalking filth effecting to MURDER me, albeit in the second degree,
rather then accept the reality they are powerless to DO anything to
resolve the situation, and, take a pass as all moral and ethical
individuals do.

Sooooo, how do you intend to give my monolithic and formidable cliff
the "slip" where morals and ethics are concerned, when, I don my
monolithic and formidable cliff to preclude any and all ruthless,
unscrupulous, unethical, immoral, snake oil salesman, scalawags
and/or carpetbaggers from being able to take me down some slippery
slope, eh?

TO BE CONTINUED

Frank

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"Linda" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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Sooooo, how do you intend to give my monolithic and formidable cliff
the "slip" where morals and ethics are concerned, when, I don my
monolithic and formidable cliff to preclude any and all ruthless,
unscrupulous, unethical, immoral, snake oil salesman, scalawags
and/or carpetbaggers from being able to take me down some slippery
slope, eh?
================================================
What a bunch of hobgooey you wrote there Linda, your personal actions
show that you do not believe a word of it, and so does your verbiage you
mouth runs in many directions just to keep busy so that you won't have
to deal with truth.

Hyper Graphia is your personal malady, other than your deteriorating
disease of course.


Linda

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Dec 8, 2008, 1:10:56 AM12/8/08
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On Dec 7, 5:20 am, Raving <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a small amount of that 'monolithic, sheer, cliff face in
> myself.  ( When I recognize this about myself... When I go to express
> it about myself ... I usually get confused as a result of doing such.)
>
> We also share an aptitude for for immense overview, as experienced by
> very rapid and fluid, temporal sweep of awareness.
>
> I prefer not to use the term 'Circular Chinese reasoning', even though
> that might be a facsimile description of the process.

I do not understand why you say my reasoning is circular, chinese or
otherwise.

If you really shared my aptitude wrt perception, then, you would
know my minds eye will look upon a seen until it discovers that what
remains unseen, and, my reasoning is based upon both that which is
seen and that which remains unseen excepting in my minds eye, and,
within that context my reasoning is right thinking, not, left or
circular, chinese or otherwise, reasoning/thinking.


The truth of the matter is I would have been quite content to live my
entire life out reasoning/thinking without having to identify what
"ideology" my reasoning/thinking belongs to, and/or, which, if
any, political group shares my ideology.

But, noooooooo

Midway through my rich and/or colorful life, several morally bankrupt
strangers decided to thrust me, a complete stranger, in front of a
speeding freight train, and then, track and follow me about and
relentlessly stalk me to preclude any and all possibility of my ever
resuming my nice, quiet, rich and/or colorful, APOLITICAL little
life!!!!

Now, MONUMENTAL DISCONTENTMENT, wrought entirely by the overzealous
and extraordinarily aggressive effort to preclude me from resuming a
life where I was perfectly content to remain apolitical, forces me
to have to rummage around and navigate those murky and nearly
inaccessible corners of my mind to identify which ideology my
reasoning/thinking constitutes, and, which, if any, political
group shares my ideology by virture of their actions/deeds not just
words.

This is so, because, the mouse that roars hasn't anywhere near the
political capital which an army of mouses who roar have, meaning,
moving forward dictates, I must, Grrrrrrr, *#&$#%(#$%*(#$%(#$),
oops, I mean "join" hands with others so we can successfully defend
ourselves from the humongous threat some lying SOB's pose to us and
all of humanity, for the good of humanity, of course.

:-)

Since I definitely do NOT want any unethical, morally bankrupt,
scalawags and carpetbaggers to exploit my misfortune to further their
own agenda, I MUST identify my , figure out which political group
shares my ideology by virtue of their actions...not merely their
"words".

Initially, I felt my ideology likely makes me what's currently known
as a progressive.

But, every time I reach to put that jacket on for size, up pops a
weasel, which suggests I hold off on reaching for that jacket,
because it may not be so, and then, that weasal goes on to taunt me
with a very alarming and disturbing pre-cognition that my ideology
makes me a gosh darn old style Republican, of all things, for Pete's
sake!

I consider this particular cognition "too foreign and too too much "
for me embrace willy nilly, IOW, just because it has occurred to me,
and keeps occuring to me;therefore, I REPRESS it.

:-)

Jesus H Christ, it was only just this past week, I repudiated a
sizable portion of the crap I published while wearing the Ms. Anti-
Drug jacket, by my announcing that I favor repeal of Drug
Prohibition.

The silver lining to my always taking a die hard position, even if
the die hard positions I've been taking of late are the polar opposite
of the die hard positions I took the previous 50 years, is, I will
never need to wonder if I'm a Moderate!

:-)

Ok, soooooo, where is it that china, maoism, communism, or
Shin's, Qui's or Chin's fits into any of this?

It doesn't, not in any way you could possibly conceive.

But, there it is...

:-)

Linda

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Dec 8, 2008, 3:22:48 AM12/8/08
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On Dec 7, 12:02 pm, anoldfriend <anoldfri...@giganews.net> wrote:
>
> Spending your days researching the facts of her trip to China and not proving
> anything but your obsession with her, is sad.

What all usenet's lying stalking filth are, always have been, and
always will be obsessed with is manufacturing, then maintaining, the
false perception that there existed, exists, and continues to exist
just cause for all these computer and other criminal's serial and
criminal gangstalking and terrorism of innocent americans, since
arrest, prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment will be the
penalty for failing to manufacture AND maintain that false perception.

Another thing which all usenet's lying stalking filth are, always
have been, and always will be obsessed with the recruitment of others
to partake in the perpetration of their crimes to decrease the
liklihood of their getting the book thrown at them, by having had the
foresight to spread the blood around, in the event an effort is made
to prosecute them for their crimes.

Another thing which all usenet's lying stalking filth are, always
have been, and always will be obsessed with is maintaining the
anonymity of the leaders, by recruiting a bunch of "never beens" like
Kimberly K Barnard and Marcia Ferrin / Ferren to do all the dirty work
so "never beens" like Kimberly K Barnard and Marcia Ferrin / Ferren
will be the one's most likely to end up in the stockade ala Lindy
McDaniel, as opposed to the Stephen Carbone's and Donald Rumsfeld's.

Being 45 plus yo "Never Beens" makes the Kimberly K Barnard's and
Marcia Ferrin / Ferren's of the world easy as pie to recruit,
because, 45 plus yo never beens have a life time of failure they are
more then willing to project onto their betters, which Brad Jesness,
and all their other targets always are, because, if they weren't the
betters of everyone participating in the gangstalking and terrorism,
it would not have been worth their while to take all that time and
energy to destroy them

More importantly, as far as the leaders are concerned, the "Never
Beens" can be thrown under the bus like a used tissue, whenever the
leaders get a little heat, precisely because the "never beens" are
"never beens" ergo no one of any import, and, because "never beens"
are a dime a dozen.


Unfortunately, for their crime victims, those whose duty requires
them to prosecute all these computer and other criminals, have much
bigger fish to fry, like Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Yoo,
Addington, Stephen Carbone, et al, and, they won't get down to
business with all these little fry until the big fish are all fried,
which will take years.

In the meantime, all their many crime victims will have to cope with
the dastardly deeds which these computer and other criminals engage
in, each and every time one of the 45 plus year old "never beens"
effect to make a transition from a "45 plus year old "never been" to a
"someone" inspite of their protracted crime sprees, by virtue of
their and their pals herculean effort to sweep their pathological and
non-stop LYING, and their serial and criminal harassment, criminal
stalking, criminal plaguarism, criminal forging, and/or criminal
terrorism under the proverbial carpet AS IF it was possible for them
to sweep what all they did in PUBLIC forums which have 10 zillion
mirror sites, under the carpet.

And then you have the Ravings of the world speaking of thieves and
jokers as if they are two separate entities rather then all rolled up
inside one.

Go figure!

atiredindividualwhohaslostthecapacitytoaccomodate

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Dec 8, 2008, 3:48:59 AM12/8/08
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On Dec 8, 3:22 am, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 12:02 pm, anoldfriend <anoldfri...@giganews.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Spending your days researching the facts of her trip to China and not proving
> > anything but your obsession with her, is sad.
>
> What all usenet's lying stalking filth are, always have been, and
> always will be obsessed with is manufacturing, then maintaining, the
> false perception that there existed, exists, and continues to exist
> just cause for all these computer and other criminal's serial and
> criminal gangstalking and terrorism of ...
Message understood.

>
> And then you have the Ravings of the world speaking of thieves and
> jokers as if they are two separate entities rather then all rolled up
> inside one.
>
> Go figure!

Quite so.

My making a 'reach' is a waste of time and I shouldn't have bothered.

Bye bye.

Linda

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Dec 8, 2008, 7:29:37 AM12/8/08
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On Dec 8, 12:48 am, atiredindividualwhohaslostthecapacitytoaccomodate

I believe that you choose to believe your effort was motivated by a
desire to make a "reach"; however, if you believe that I'd fail to
realize you possessed an ulterior motive for making what you choose to
call a "reach", then, you are a fool, or, alternatively, you must
have pegged me for a fool, Raving.

Sooooo, which payoff were you hoping to get in return for doing a
little dirty work for usenets lying stalking filth?

Was it the payoff from playing the game "I'm only trying to help",
or, was it from playing the game "happy to help", or, from your
playing "they'll be glad they knew me".....

See http://frogsandprinces.dawntreader.net/games.html

Whatever payoff you had hoped to collect, I'm glad my monolithic
formidable cliff prevented you from collecting it, because, as Berne
notes, it's fools gold.

Can you believe my monolithic formidable cliff is donned, in part,
to prevent people like yourself from making a collossal mistake
there's no recovering from because of it being perpetrated in a public
forum with 10 zillion mirror sites?

I suppose not.

If successful the payoff is immediate, while the unseen consequences
are so far off----so, what the heck, you'll take the ball some
gutless anonymous coward puts in your hand and run with it, right?

Wrong, Raving.

Here's why

The consequences were only unseen before the gutless anonymous cowards
placed that ball in their very first pawns hands.

The consequences haven't been unseen to any of you whose hands those
gutless anonymous cowards place that ball in since then.

I'm here and, the consequence stares you right in the face.

So I implore you, don't play with fire as you will get burnt.

But, I may as well be talking to a wall, cause you stare right
through me, and commence your play.

sigh...

marcia

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Dec 8, 2008, 2:23:53 PM12/8/08
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On Dec 7, 8:54 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote:
> "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message

Apropos to nothing in particular, have you ever noticed how closely
paranoia and grandiosity correspond to one another?

Message has been deleted

Frank

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"marcia" <marcia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1894162f-d572-4b8a...@v4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

Interesting that you brought that up, I've been ruminating over other
things as well that appear to be "blended symptoms". I haven't quite put
my finger on them, but there are a lot of corollaries to certain
behaviors. Having an adversarial relationship help draws it out, that
plus there are so many on the Usenet that you'd never see/experience
otherwise.


Message has been deleted

Linda

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Dec 9, 2008, 9:40:07 AM12/9/08
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On Dec 8, 12:48 am,
atiredindividualwhohaslostthecapacitytoaccomodate

An Identity Disorder, eh?

My identity is that of an average, normal, red-blooded American
who, like so many others, reaches out to others in cyberspace for
topical discussions where truth and mutual understanding is the
point.


The identity of the malicious individuals who track and follow me and
mine into forums where they maliciously publish non-stop lies to
defame me, criminally harass me by misusing ICS to violate the Cease
and Desist Orders I habitually publish in response to anyone's pursuit
of unwelcome and unwelcome communications, publish articles in which
they criminally forge and/or plaguarize me, incessantly publish
articles which threaten me every which way, which are all accompanied
by articles expressing their criminal intent to continue doing all the
above and worse, so long as I refuse to capitulate to their illegal
demands, is the identity of Stalker / Terrorist.


The identity of the malicious individuals such stalkers / terrorists
recruit is one and the same as their own in the overwhelming majority
of cases.


However, from time to time, the stalkers / terrorists frustration
over their impotent effort to penetrate the formidable personal fire
wall I've erected to preclude maliicious individuals from
making me the recipient of their pathological hatred incite the
stalkers / terrorists to con some poor soul into dropping the ball wrt
their own personal agenda and instead acting as a conduit for the
conveyance of the stalkers/terrorists defamatory, harassing, and,
most importantly of all, the stalkers/terrorists neverending threats
to "up the ante" by escalating the level their harassment to yet
another venue, usually, but not always, one which is closer to
"home"----IOW the stalker / terrorists "lil bitch", "snitch" "insider
informant", "rat", "mole", or, if you prefer, intermediary.

Your identity, raving, in this latest performance of yours is the
stalkers/terrorists "lil bitch","snitch","mole", "patsy", or, if you
prefer,
intermediary.

You are so arrogant, you chose to believe that everyone else, except
lil ol you, has a bias for believing whatever the heck they want to
believe.

You are so arrogant, you insist it's possible for you to scarf up
the non-stop lies a series of stalkers/ terrorists have been feeding
you
about yours truly for five friggen years, AND, engage me in debate,
AS IF, you hadn't obliterated all possibility of engaging me in
debate, when you chose to read the nonstop lies stalkers /
terrorists relentlessly fed you these past five years, despite the
reality that the consequence of your choice is that we (you and I)
lack a common set of facts we can agree on that are absolutely
necessary for a a debate.

My being firmly grounded in reality results in my being able to
accept the reality, that, by and large, debate between myself and
anyone who chose to read the nonstop lies a series of stalkers /
terrorists have relentlessly published about me is simply not
possible.

You, who chose to read the non-stop lies which filled your head with
misperceptions, imagine debate between us is possible IF ONLY I would
accommodate you by completely ignoring the fact that we (you and I)
lack a common set of facts we can agree on that are absolutely
necessary in order for us to debate.

Oops!

Debate is NOT possible without the existence of a common set a facts
we can agree on!

Soooooo, you aren't reaching out to debate issues.

You, whose personal bias incited you to CHOSE to read all those non-
stop lies stalkers / terrorists have been publishing about me for 8
plus years which now form the basis of your misperceptions, are
reaching out to me, who IS armed with the truth and the facts, to
accommodate your desire that I empower you to be the judge of what's
what.

What are you? a joker? a time and energy thief? or both?

Ethical and morally upright individuals all take a PASS when they
happen upon a crime in process which they themselves are powerless to
do jackshit about as members of a society of laws who vests it's law
enforcers with the only authority to DO whatever needs doing to stop
serial and criminal cyberstalkers / cyberterrorists on going crimes
against one or more members of the general public.

You revealed your personal bias when you a) elected to stick around
and rubberneck rather then take a pass as all ethical and morally
upright individuals do when they happen upon the wreckage already
wrought by a crime still in progress which they are powerless to DO
anything about, and, b) react cordially without questioning the
malicious and/or sinister motives of each and every one of the series
of cyberstalkers / cybersterrorists who have disrupted each and every
one of our attempts to debate with articles containing malicious and
libelous lies to poison the well against yours truly to ensure you
read what I say through the extraordinarily distorted prism a long
series of cyberstalkers / cyberterrorists desire everyone, including
you, to read what I say through.

Those personal biases of yours are ones which predisposed you to
choose to believe the non-stop lies a long series of cyberstalkers /
cyberterrorists have been feeding you and others for eight plus
years, and, choose to disbelieve the large body of evidence
contradicts the malicious and libelous lies you chose to scarf up.

Now you, who chose to surround yourself with a bodyguard of lies
and liars, want to "reach" out to me, who is armed with nothing but
the incontrovertible truth, because of your skewed, self-serving,
nonfactual, and utterly insane belief that it's complete opposite
which is true?

You reach out to me, knowing darn well, I don't want anyone of your
ilk reaching out to me to accommodate their desire to USE me as a
springboard to help them integrate new tidbits of info they pick up
about me within the framework of your preexisting misperceptions about
me.

You reach out to me, without considering I might be a tired individual
who has lost the capacity to accommodate people of your ilk everytime
someone of your ilk desires to initiate discourse because your self-
imposed misperceptions cause you to have one of those "truth is
stranger then fiction" kind of moments upon your learning some tidbit
like a side trip I took to China a quarter of a century ago.

Too darn tired

<yawn>

Raving

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On Dec 9, 9:40 am, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 12:48 am,
> atiredindividualwhohaslostthecapacitytoaccomodate
>
>
> You reach out to me, without considering I might be a tired individual
> who has lost the capacity to accommodate people of your ilk everytime
> someone of your ilk desires to initiate discourse because your self-
> imposed misperceptions cause you to have one of those "truth is
> stranger then fiction" kind of moments upon your learning some tidbit
> like a side trip I took to China a quarter of a century ago.
>
> Too darn tired
>
> <yawn>
Accomodating others is easy for me. ... At least, it used to be easy
when I wasn't so worn down.

Everyone has their own 'thing' to offer. Mine happens to be
accomodation. I might like to recieve it in kind from others, Its not
likely to happen because each person possesses their own ability.
YMMV.

I'm not sure as to what you are magnanimous and generous in regard,
Linda. Perhaps it is your flexibility? .... Your relentlessness can be
werisome for me. No doubt I am also insufferably relentless at times
too,

I appreciate your ability yet I am a bit baffled as to why I am such a
puzzle to you. it would seem that we share some sensibilities in
common.

I interpret your 'monolithic, cliff face personna' as being very
hyperfocussed. For me, such 'close-in' intensity leaves no room for
subjective or ethical considerations. That sort of thing only has
meaning at a much wider scale of overview.

Linda

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Dec 9, 2008, 12:35:33 PM12/9/08
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BTW.

The original source of my IRE dates all the way back to 1990 when the
United Pathocracy of American swooped in and grabbed really big $$$,
which, the Office of the Lt Governor of California later proclaimed
to have been part of *my* family income, while the United
Pathocracy of America NEVER performs the tasks which the United
Pathocracy of America says it's grabs big $$$ from hard working
americans to perform, such as, making sure there aren't any known
child molesters like Lewis and/or Jean running any Pre-Schools in
Point Loma, SDC, California in 1990, or any other time.

The United Pathocracy of America's grabbing the big $$$ it's been
grabbing from me and mine, per the Office of Grey Davis, the former
LT Gov of California, over the course of our lifetimes, whilst
refuing to enforce our 14th Amendment Right to equal protection of the
anti-stalking and antiterrorism laws vis a vis Richard Riddick, Eric
S. Riddick, Deborah Bentley, Lying Lynda Cunningham, Peter Amsel,
Larry Hoover, Paul Montgomery, Anna Goldreyer, Mark D. Morin, Mark
Probert, Joseph Parsons, John Palmer, John Clark, Nancy Knisley,
Catherine McEvoy, Ann Rein, Karin Resnick, TSNW, Joanne E. Cohen,
Alfred Enisz, Stanley W. Shura, Kimberly K Barnard, Daniel L
Rogers, Jason Z. Christie, Peter J Ross, Stephen Whitacra, Michelle
Devereaux, R. Vince Lamb, Carl Osterwald, Marcia Ferrin, Zenon
Krisalty, and usenet's other 400-500 Lying Stalking Filth and
TERRORISTS has merely been the ICING ON THE CAKE.

You, Raving, don't even know the meaning of the word Betrayed,
until you have the Office of a Lt Governor proclaiming you have a
family income, a sizable portion of which is being GRABBED by a
pathocracy which NEVER performs any of the tasks it SAYS it grabs
those really big $$$ to perform.

That which remains UNSEEN is, the legion, if not army, if not an
entire NATION of people whom your family, per the office of then- LT
Governor of California, could have employed to perform ALL the
tasks which the pathocracy "says" it's taking really big $$$ from your
family, as the pathocracy defines it, to perform, then, refuses and
refuses and refuse and refuses and refuses to friggen perform.

I believe when you take a sizable portion of the family income of
honest, hard working americans, year after year, and, decade after
decade, to hire people to perform tasks which those civil servants
NEVER perform, it's called FRAUD.

Capitalists and the union workers they employ are both sick and tired
of forking over their hard earned money to hire people who NEVER
perform the tasks the capitalists and union workers forked over their
hard earned money to hire them to perform.

All of us, capitalists and the union workers they employ want to file
a MEGA LAWSUIT against the United Pathocracy of America, and every
civil servant employed by it for MASSIVE FRAUD.

Linda

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Dec 9, 2008, 2:28:22 PM12/9/08
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Said like a true blue moral degenerate.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, beginning in 2001, me and mine,
and, a multiplicity of others acting on their own behalf AND in my
behalf have filed numerous CRIMINAL complaints with each and every law
enforcement agency empowered by US and Canadian Law to DO something
about the long series of cyberstalkers / cyberterrorists whom,
individually and severally, have been violating anti-stalking and anti-
terrorism laws which prohibit all such individuals from cyberstalking
and cybersterroring me and mine.

The issue of whether or not you and others whose personal biases have
led you to CHOOSSE to believe the nonstop lies which cyberstalkers and
terrorists have been feeding you wrt moi, which form the basis for
the misperceptions which your defamation and criminal harassment of
yours truly is based upon IS a moral, ethical, civil and, most
importantly, a CRIMINAL matter, that is up to the various courts to
weigh in on, not issues which them who are GUILTY AS SIN get to
decide.

....

Raving

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Dec 9, 2008, 3:49:32 PM12/9/08
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Oh.

>
> Said like a true blue moral degenerate.
Am I a moral degenerate?

If you say so. ... Ok. I accept such opinion.

I have been preoccupied with the following incoherent, deluded crop

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.autism/msg/57e9652b78edb047

Forgive my ignorance. .. or do not do so.

Best that I refrain from uttering all further gibberish.

Adois Linda Gore.

>
> Meanwhile,  back in the real world,  beginning in 2001,  me and mine,
> and, a multiplicity of others acting on their own behalf AND in my
> behalf have filed numerous CRIMINAL complaints with each and every law
> enforcement agency empowered by US and Canadian Law to DO something
> about the long series of cyberstalkers / cyberterrorists whom,
> individually and severally, have been violating anti-stalking and anti-
> terrorism laws which prohibit all such individuals from cyberstalking
> and cybersterroring me and mine.
>
> The issue of whether or not you and others whose personal biases have
> led you to CHOOSSE to believe the nonstop lies which cyberstalkers and

> terrorists have been feeding you wrt moi,  ...
Forgive me.I appologize for having accepted allpoints of vview,
including your own.

As previously stated, I intend to refrain from further paarticipation.
I provide drivel. It is unwanted.


> ...which form the basis for

Linda

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Dec 9, 2008, 4:18:42 PM12/9/08
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If you weren't, why continually dismiss ethics and morals in a debate
with a person who stance is a moral and ethical one?

Linda

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Dec 9, 2008, 4:36:29 PM12/9/08
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On Dec 9, 12:49 pm, Raving <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>
> Forgive me.I appologize for having accepted allpoints of vview,

You aren't liable for civil and criminal charges for anything having
to do with your acceptance of all "points of view."

You are LIABLE for civil and criminal charges because your personal
biases are ones which caused you to CHOOSE to stick around and
rubberneck wrt a crime still in progress rather then take a pass as
all ethical and morally upstanding individuals have done.

Raving

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Dec 9, 2008, 4:49:17 PM12/9/08
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As you have pointed out, I am also constrained in my POV. I am no
different to anyone else in that regard.

My preoccupation with hyperfocus has the effect of setting ethics and
morals aside. Such coniderations seem to be at a different scaling.
This is not my intention. Rather it is the consequence of my own
limitation. I accept that limitation and quit *NOW*

Frank

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Dec 9, 2008, 9:00:06 PM12/9/08
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"Linda" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:3fa01a68-15c9-4aba...@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

=====================================================
You're joking, right?

I have read a lot of your history, much copied by others and reposted,
the same stuff you rant and complain about. Now you are saying that you
lie a lot?

Strange isn't it? You post something and it is supposed to be the truth,
and you expect everyone to believe you, yet when others post exactly
what you said, (and I took the time to verify it, posted by people who
you complain about incessantly) you call them liars. So if that is to be
believed then any reasonable person would have to conclude that
everything you post is a bald faced lie, nothing you say is to be
believed.

Linda Gore, a self admitted liar who expects LEA's to support her lies.


Raving

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Dec 10, 2008, 12:33:26 PM12/10/08
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Reality at the close-up-and-hyperfocussed is sufficiently confusing
and demanding all by itself. Thus, I have no patience for value
judgements.

I have my limits. YMMV. Sorry that I cannot be of further assistance.

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