Compare notes...
John
'ringing' in my right ear and now it's progressed to the cricket sounds in
the middle back of my skull and steady ringing in both ears. Sometimes not
so bad, but always there - sometimes loud enough to wake me up at night or
just make me want to scream.
Along with the ringing now is a 'pressure' inside my head, similar to high
blood pressure which I used to have, but it's not a BP problem. The worse
the ringing, the worse the pressure, almost to the point of being a full
blown headache. When the T isn't so bad, the pressure doesn't seem to
bother me either...
Nothing I've ever found over the years has worked to diminish it, and my
doctor just gives me a sad smile and shakes his head when I ask if there is
any new info on the problem. I'm not sure he's taking it very seriously
since he cant see it or hear it - Campral (sp?) didn't work, ginkgo didn't
work, tranqs didn't work, sea sickness pills didn't work, antihistamine
pills didn't work, nothing, has ever worked. Diet doesn't affect it -
exercise does nothing - about the only thing that does seem to diminish it
is when I'm well rested and had lots of sleep - when I don't get enough
rest, the T seems worse.
I recently saw a post that said even after some people have had the nerve
endings cut in their ears, when they simply can't take it anymore, some
still hear the ringing (now in their deafness and total silence). Jesus,
that would be terrible. They also said it's the part of the brain that
handles auditory functions that makes you think you hear a ringing, but it
has nothing to do with the ears.
To sum it up, I can either continue to try and just live with it and ignore
it - or blow my brains out. I'll keep trying to ignore it...
Don't know if the above will actually help anyone, but I'd be interested in
hearing your stories too.
fyf...@gmail.com
Have you tried acupuncture? Give it a couple of visits.
Janice
no treining or compassion in this field, typically.
With time it will typically get better. Get a good pass time and forget it
along with trying Ginko and/or accupuncture and/or manganese
supplementation. Mostly triggered by stress. A visit to a shrink usually
helps with medication if you are man enough to use it.
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jrw
I have to assume, like myself, you have tried many remedies without
success. I have not met an individual who has suffered from tinnitus
who has not tried GB, acupuncture, and any number of alternative
medicines. Sometimes they work, more often than not they don't.
Most of us are content with habituation.
Best regards
John
. Bluto
wrote:
With everyone with T, trying GB and other gimmicks just once is very
profitable for the vendors of these snake oil treatments
. Bluto
wrote:
>Try a few things and don't listen to the American medical crowd. They have
>no treining or compassion in this field, typically.
>
>With time it will typically get better. Get a good pass time and forget it
>along with trying Ginko and/or accupuncture and/or manganese
>supplementation. Mostly triggered by stress. A visit to a shrink usually
>helps with medication if you are man enough to use it.
Right, don't listen to the doctors, listen to Janice. All the doctors
are wrong, only Janice(Larry) is right.
fyf...@gmail.com
> Hi John,
>
> I have to assume, like myself, you have tried many remedies without
> success. I have not met an individual who has suffered from tinnitus
> who has not tried GB, acupuncture, and any number of alternative
> medicines. Sometimes they work, more often than not they don't.
(1)How do you know that "most often" than not they don't? Have you
done a survey of most T suffers in the world to have come to this
conclusion?
(2)If "sometimes they work", then there is a 50/50 chance it will work
for John.
>
> Most of us are content with habituation.
How do you know that? Again, have you done a survey that most
tinnitus suffers in the world are content with habituation?
>
> Best regards
>
> John
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 7??25??, ????7??31??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have to assume, like myself, you have tried many remedies without
>> success. I have not met an individual who has suffered from tinnitus
>> who has not tried GB, acupuncture, and any number of alternative
>> medicines. Sometimes they work, more often than not they don't.
>
>(1)How do you know that "most often" than not they don't? Have you
>done a survey of most T suffers in the world to have come to this
>conclusion?
Most people, fyfpoon excluded, have whats called common sense. No
study is needed. Any study can be made to show the results you want.
>(2)If "sometimes they work", then there is a 50/50 chance it will work
>for John.
How do u figure "sometimes" = 50% These cures ONLY work on fools like
you. You're one of those people seen on TV ads pushing products that
CURED their cancer or whatever. All boils down to scamming sick
people to get rich. Its the worst type of human abuse there is.
Preying on sick people and giving false hope for personal gain.
>>
>> Most of us are content with habituation.
>
>How do you know that? Again, have you done a survey that most
>tinnitus suffers in the world are content with habituation?
Why don't you study what your bong full of crack does? You're a
living example of it!
>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> John
jrw
I am glad you asked me this question. I was part of a survey that was
carried out by the audiology department of St Mary's. Nearly all the
sufferers had to be content with habituation. Nearly all had tried
alternative therapies with a limited degree of success. The medical
staff encouraged such practice.
Best regards
John
Janice
"had to be content" They were forced or it was really good?
"encouraged such practice" alternative therapies or the habituation?
Thanx
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John B
down a tiny bit with my blood pressure. The only thing to do is use
ear muffs for anything loud you are going to do. Nerve damage is
non-repairable, so it's only going to get worse. I've tried ginko,
manganese and a few others with NO results. A full audio MD, not
"miracle ear", says the technology is just not there yet. This guy I
believe. Thank goodness for closed caption on television! Some
people love the white sound for sleeping, I don't need that. Good
Luck.
. Bluto
Geez, that means Janice and his groupie fyfpoon are wrong about GB,
manganese again...Oh right, it don't always work..Just on them two
fools.
jrw
> Please clarify, This is interesting.
>
> "had to be content" They were forced or it was really good?
>
> "encouraged such practice" alternative therapies or the habituation?
>
> Thanx
>
>
> news:6a443f62-5e1d-4e3e...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Hi Fyfpoon,
>
> > I am glad you asked me this question. I was part of a survey that was
> > carried out by the audiology department of St Mary's. Nearly all the
> > sufferers had to be content with habituation. Nearly all had tried
> > alternative therapies with a limited degree of success. The medical
> > staff encouraged such practice.
>
> > Best regards
>
> > John
>
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
Hi Janice,
Very few patients responded to alternative therapies. We had little
choice but to adapt.
Best regards
John
Janice
manganese did each tablet contain?
"John B" <Nort...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Janice
30 years to develop tinnitus it may take a few months minimum to get some
results by rebalancing a bad diet or ingestion metabolism.
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. Bluto
wrote:
>Most people give up on alternative therapies too early. After taking 20 or
>30 years to develop tinnitus it may take a few months minimum to get some
>results by rebalancing a bad diet or ingestion metabolism.
YEs, keep buying useless products even though they don't work. THat
makes real sense! Give it a couple of years, its only a few thousand
bux you'd have wasted to make a crook richer.
. Bluto
wrote:
>How many bottle of manganese did you take? What content of elemental
>manganese did each tablet contain?
What are you gonna do Larry(janice)? Give him a prescription with your
recommended dosage and mg? Whatta fool! I think all the manganese
you take had a big part in your cross gendering habits. And there's
fyfpoon right there next to ya!
fyf...@gmail.com
The patients tested did not constitute the 'universal sample' and as
such its findings are limited in use. I and a few others happen to be
the 'few' who have tried and found them working. Thus when it comes
to the final verdit, a T patient should try alternative medicine after
everything else is exhausted. Also, don't wait until your T gets 30
years old before trying anything else. Old Ts are hard to treat.
That perhaps is what those doctors in the hospital did not tell the
patients.
T newbies should try everything possible.
>
> Best regards
>
> John- 隐藏被引用文字 -
>
> - 显示引用的文字 -
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
Geez, GB has problems with old T? Hah! It has troubles with ALL T!
Of course in your case your T has been cured by miraculous GB. It
made those constant noises of bong bubbles in your head go away!
jrw
I'm sorry that it was only a limited research study, my abject
apology. We have been down this path before I think. Nearly all T
sufferers have tried GB. It has limited success. I think all
sufferers should try it, as well as acupuncture, massage, etc., My
advice is try everything, but don't get your hopes up. I have posted
several links to scientific journals showing the dismal efficacy of
all of these therapies.
When you first get T, its hell. My Doctor didn't take it that
seriosly, he said "it's not like a broken leg". Well I would happily
exchange my T for a limb fracture. Most sufferers explore extensively
in the first few years, I even tried kinesiology, have you?
Best regards
John
fyf...@gmail.com
> Hi Fyfpoon,
>
> I'm sorry that it was only a limited research study, my abject
> apology. We have been down this path before I think. Nearly all T
> sufferers have tried GB.
How do you know that? Have you done a survey of this all over the
world? I did not try it until a year later after the onset of my T
and the reason was because of all that random citation of 'controlled
studies'. Lately I met a girl who got T. Her doctor did not advise
her to try GB but instead put her through all sorts of expensive
medical gadgets
I think the problem with most T patients is that they allow their T to
get old before trying other alternatives.
> It has limited success.
For you or others whose bodies don't respond to this type of treatment
or whose cause of T has nothing to do with blood circulation in the
head. There are many causes of T. You know that.
I think all
> sufferers should try it, as well as acupuncture, massage, etc., My
> advice is try everything, but don't get your hopes up. I have posted
> several links to scientific journals showing the dismal efficacy of
> all of these therapies.
>
I have personally tried acupuncture and it was this type of treatment
that released me. But then again my T was due to a pinched nerve and
a pinched nerve may not be the cause of others' T. A couple of years
ago, an American T patient from the state of Main gave testimony to
this treatment here in alt. Thus your citation of 'scientific'
journal does not necessarily constitute an ultimate authority. I
doubt if there is any authority in the treatment of T given the
limited knowledge the current scientific community knows about T.
> When you first get T, its hell. My Doctor didn't take it that
> seriosly, he said "it's not like a broken leg". Well I would happily
> exchange my T for a limb fracture. Most sufferers explore extensively
> in the first few years, I even tried kinesiology, have you?
No, and I don't know what it is. As I said, most T patients allow
their T to get old. Once it gets old, it becomes very difficult to
treat. These are the words from the doctors I visited. As long as
taking GB does not produce any harmful effect, most T patients should
try it or put themselves on GB for a period of time while looking for
other ways to cope with their T.
The whole argument about whether or not GB helps is really silly, as
if people refuse to try anything until there is a universal consensus
on this. There will never be...
>
> Best regards
>
> John
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8??8??, ????7??07??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Fyfpoon,
>>
>> I'm sorry that it was only a limited research study, my abject
>> apology. We have been down this path before I think. Nearly all T
>> sufferers have tried GB.
>
>How do you know that? Have you done a survey of this all over the
>world? I did not try it until a year later after the onset of my T
>and the reason was because of all that random citation of 'controlled
>studies'. Lately I met a girl who got T. Her doctor did not advise
>her to try GB but instead put her through all sorts of expensive
>medical gadgets
Of course a doctor isn't going to advise to try GB. They know its
useless and a scam.
>
>I think the problem with most T patients is that they allow their T to
>get old before trying other alternatives.
hahaha...another joke!
>
>> It has limited success.
>
>For you or others whose bodies don't respond to this type of treatment
>or whose cause of T has nothing to do with blood circulation in the
>head. There are many causes of T. You know that.
>
> I think all
>> sufferers should try it, as well as acupuncture, massage, etc., My
>> advice is try everything, but don't get your hopes up. I have posted
>> several links to scientific journals showing the dismal efficacy of
>> all of these therapies.
>>
>I have personally tried acupuncture and it was this type of treatment
>that released me. But then again my T was due to a pinched nerve and
>a pinched nerve may not be the cause of others' T. A couple of years
>ago, an American T patient from the state of Main gave testimony to
>this treatment here in alt. Thus your citation of 'scientific'
>journal does not necessarily constitute an ultimate authority. I
>doubt if there is any authority in the treatment of T given the
>limited knowledge the current scientific community knows about T.
Fyfpoon, you should be a longer bong, that way you won't have to bend
your head so slow and pinch your nerves.
So some fool gave testimony? Anyone can do that. Just like your
chinese boyscout friend whose email address you give out as proof!
Scammers give testimony all the time..thats part of the scam!
>
>> When you first get T, its hell. My Doctor didn't take it that
>> seriosly, he said "it's not like a broken leg". Well I would happily
>> exchange my T for a limb fracture. Most sufferers explore extensively
>> in the first few years, I even tried kinesiology, have you?
>
>No, and I don't know what it is. As I said, most T patients allow
>their T to get old. Once it gets old, it becomes very difficult to
>treat. These are the words from the doctors I visited. As long as
>taking GB does not produce any harmful effect, most T patients should
>try it or put themselves on GB for a period of time while looking for
>other ways to cope with their T.
Doctors you visited? I thought you didn't approve of doctors for T,
just GB accupuncture and chinese boy scouts who give testimony. If
bull crap was music, fyfpoon would be a brass band ;-)
jrw
> As I said, most T patients allow their T to get old.<
Hi Fyfpoon,
How do you know this? Have you done a survey?
I have not met a doctor or a consultant who has tried to dissuade me
from trying alternative therapies. Some have suggested that I try
them with the usual caveats. Can you point to any literature where
they suggest, assuming you are healthy, that you not try GB?
Best regards
John
. Bluto
wrote:
>
He has no survey or other info except his own spewing of BS. He can
however give you the email address of a chinese boy scout who you can
email to confirm GB works for T. Thats the extend of his survey and
proof.
Fyfpoon fills his HK crack bong with GB then drinks it. Thats his
secret to health, although he does get a pinched nerve in his neck
from bending while toking his bong. GB don't seem to help that yet
but give it time and it will be his latest claim.
fyf...@gmail.com
Have I made any claim that doctors in general discourage the use of
GB? I mentioned only the specific cases I know and this notion does
not equate to including all doctors all over the world.
>
> Best regards
>
> John
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
Now he's singing a different song. And I guess NO SURVEY!(even though
it would be one sided and inaccurate)
>
>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> John
jrw
>As I said, most T patients allow their T to get old.<
How do you know? Have you conducted a survey?
I have not met a single sufferer who has not tried several remedies.
The initial suffering is just too much. Of course you habituate, and
it is amazing how you do adapt, but in the first months you don't
think it's possible.
John
Janice
cannot remember not having it and I always thought everybody had it. It was
only when I started listening to the scare tactics from some here that I
began to become afraid of it.
I found my "cure", by accident, that works every time for me. Some claim
they have tried it to no avail and some attempt to generate fear in other
that may try it. This is typical of the attitude portrayed by many here.
Thus the flame wars for years.
"jrw" <jrwi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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John
Could you share that information? It might help me and others...
Thanks.
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Janice
practitioners... Manganese. It may takes several months of dosage, as most
minerals are slow to accumulate in your body. I was looking for a fix for
Menieres symptoms in Prescription for Natural Healing. I was previously
"fixed" for this by a Naturopathic Doctor in years past and was looking for
my own fix after the symptoms returned. The tinnitus "cure" was only an
unexpected side effect.
Watch the negatives to follow!
"John" <im5...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I've hadtinnitusfor about 12 years now - started off very low key
> 'ringing' in my right ear and now it's progressed to the cricket sounds in
> the middle back of my skull and steady ringing in both ears. Sometimes not
> so bad, but always there - sometimes loud enough to wake me up at night or
> just make me want to scream.
>
> Along with the ringing now is a 'pressure' inside my head, similar to high
> blood pressure which I used to have, but it's not a BP problem. The worse
> the ringing, the worse the pressure, almost to the point of being a full
> blown headache. When the T isn't so bad, the pressure doesn't seem to
> bother me either...
>
> Nothing I've ever found over the years has worked to diminish it, and my
> doctor just gives me a sad smile and shakes his head when I ask if there is
> any new info on the problem. I'm not sure he's taking it very seriously
> work, tranqs didn't work, sea sickness pills didn't work, antihistamine
> pills didn't work, nothing, has ever worked. Diet doesn't affect it -
> exercise does nothing - about the only thing that does seem to diminish it
> is when I'm well rested and had lots of sleep - when I don't get enough
> rest, the T seems worse.
>
> I recently saw a post that said even after some people have had the nerve
> endings cut in their ears, when they simply can't take it anymore, some
> still hear the ringing (now in their deafness and total silence). Jesus,
> that would be terrible. They also said it's the part of the brain that
> handles auditory functions that makes you think you hear a ringing, but it
> has nothing to do with the ears.
>
> To sum it up, I can either continue to try and just live with it and ignore
> it - or blow my brains out. I'll keep trying to ignore it...
>
> Don't know if the above will actually help anyone, but I'd be interested in
> hearing your stories too.
just my two cents worth: i found that xanax did work for me (1/2 mg).
i dont know that it reduced the ringing, but i just didnt care if it
did. xanax just makes you apathetic about T.
. Bluto
wrote:
>My tinnitus wasn't severe in onset. I was born with it, as far as I know. I
>cannot remember not having it and I always thought everybody had it. It was
>only when I started listening to the scare tactics from some here that I
>began to become afraid of it.
At what age did u come out of the closet and begin posing as a female?
I bet you were born with that too.
>I found my "cure", by accident, that works every time for me. Some claim
>they have tried it to no avail and some attempt to generate fear in other
>that may try it. This is typical of the attitude portrayed by many here.
>Thus the flame wars for years.
If you found a CURE then you didn't have T in the first place fool!
. Bluto
>"I found my "cure", by accident, that works every time for me".
>
>Could you share that information? It might help me and others...
His "CURES" are BS. Manganese, GB or acupuncture or some other way
off BS. He never had T in the first place. I think he got slapped up
side the head by his father when he came out of the closet about his
cross-gender posing as a female. Thats why his ears ring! BOING!
. Bluto
wrote:
>I used a commonly known supplement, prescribe by most alternative or natural
>practitioners... Manganese. It may takes several months of dosage, as most
>minerals are slow to accumulate in your body. I was looking for a fix for
>Menieres symptoms in Prescription for Natural Healing. I was previously
>"fixed" for this by a Naturopathic Doctor in years past and was looking for
>my own fix after the symptoms returned. The tinnitus "cure" was only an
>unexpected side effect.
>
>Watch the negatives to follow!
No negative comments just a big HAHAHAHAHA HOHOHOHHO HEHEHEHEHE what
BS!!! FIXED?? Oh you mean you had the sex change operation from male
to female?
. Bluto
Well xanax is certainly a lot safer than the CRACK fyfpoon uses for
his T.
fyf...@gmail.com
> Fyfpoon, you wrote this:
>
> >As I said, most T patients allow their T to get old.<
>
> How do you know? Have you conducted a survey?
>
statement applies to those whom I have known.
> I have not met a single sufferer who has not tried several remedies.
> The initial suffering is just too much. Of course you habituate, and
> it is amazing how you do adapt, but in the first months you don't
> think it's possible.
>
> John
The so-called habituation could just be a period in which the body
heals itself to a certain extent. That said, it does not prevent
anyone from seeking medical solutions to either lessen the suffering
or shorten the period of suffering or even cure it. The idea of doing
nothing but habituating does not make sense to me but certain it has
done so for many others. On that basis, there is hardly any universal
answer. If something works for you, it then works for you, but it
does not mean it is appropriate advice for all others.
jrw
Hi Fyfpoon,
Please read my posts a little more carefully. I have yet to meet a
sufferer who opted for the habituation approach straight away. All
will try some sort of treatment. I also wrote that most initially
think that habituation seems an impossibility. Right now in the
context of the discussion group this:
"On that basis, there is hardly any universal answer. If something
works for you, it then works for you, but it does not mean it is
appropriate advice for all others."
Is more than a little platitudinous. You seem to think you are the
only one who has sought out alternative therapies. That you are on
the vanguard of such treatments. Unless it's a revolutionary therapy,
I would stop beating this particular drum for at least another
decade. Do you honestly believe that the majority here have not tried
GB until you came here? Please, if you feel compelled to write,
change the subject..
Best regards
John
Best regards
John
Janice
My son's g/f complained of severe tinnitus to the point of not getting sleep
for months. Accupuncture treatments made her tinnitus go away. After a year
(last time I saw her) her tinnitus had still not returned. That accupunture
ripp=off charged her over $80 for three treatments...what a con!
I see what you are trying to do. Any "mainstream" technique supported, such
as Francis should be quenched as it puts the Alternative chemical and
surgury doctors at a risk of not having answers.
Now as politely as I can put it, go bang your sister again, and then report
back, you repressive, narrow minded jerk.(it doesn't work for Blufo,
either..haha)
"jrw" <jrwi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Fyfpoon,
Best regards
John
Best regards
John
John
Acupuncture to my list of things to try...
Simply ignoring my tinnitus hasn't been a very good method of 'handling' it.
Thanks for the post...
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jrw
Let me be as polite as possible. Please read my posts more
carefully. In no way did I suggest mainstream orthodoxies only. I
have tried GB, acupuncture, B12, even kinesiology. No sufferer I have
met has been content with habituation. Most see it as an almost
impossible task.
You might be content with the bland truisms trotted out by Fyfpoon on
this board. After a year it gets a little tiring.
Furthermore, I do wonder why you and Fyfpoon make so many inconsistent
posts, either the treatments have worked for you or they have not. If
my tinnitus no longer affected me I would not come here. The rest of
us get a slightly distorted message, 'it worked, sort of, not
entirely, but I still suffer despite being cured'.
I will ignore the invective of your last paragraph, grossly offensive
as it is, I have decided not to respond in kind. I hope you can
follow my example. Please read the post you are responding to a
little more carefully, as your follow up will give the impression that
you are a bloody idiot.
Best regards
John
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
fyfpoon, you need to stop habituating your crack bong!
. Bluto
wrote:
>On Aug 12, 4:58 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8??10??, ????3??10??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:> Fyfpoon, you wrote this:
You get it fyfpoon? People are tired of quack fools like you spewing
BS, same for your T shemale Janice.
Change the subject? All he knows is GB, GB, GB, acupuncture,
acupuncture, acupuncture. He's cured by these! Of course the fool
don't know he didn't have T in the first place!
. Bluto
wrote:
>I, personally, have never tried Ginko, I found another "mainstream" cure.
I bet your mainstream is female hormones(estrogen) injected into your
veins so you can continue to follow your x-dressing agenda.
>
>My son's g/f complained of severe tinnitus to the point of not getting sleep
>for months. Accupuncture treatments made her tinnitus go away. After a year
>(last time I saw her) her tinnitus had still not returned. That accupunture
>ripp=off charged her over $80 for three treatments...what a con!
$80.00 to rid your "suffering" from T is a rip off???? Maybe to you.
I bet you could get some cute tights and bra for that much dough!
>
>I see what you are trying to do. Any "mainstream" technique supported, such
>as Francis should be quenched as it puts the Alternative chemical and
>surgury doctors at a risk of not having answers.
Why listen to doctors when you and fyfpoon have the cure! HAHAH
>
>Now as politely as I can put it, go bang your sister again, and then report
>back, you repressive, narrow minded jerk.(it doesn't work for Blufo,
>either..haha)
Naughty Janice. We all know thats what goes on in your family. You're
the inbreed. Now go shave and put your blush and eye lashes on.
Maybe the mailman will stop at your house.
. Bluto
wrote:
>Hi Janice,
>
>Let me be as polite as possible. Please read my posts more
>carefully. In no way did I suggest mainstream orthodoxies only. I
>have tried GB, acupuncture, B12, even kinesiology. No sufferer I have
>met has been content with habituation. Most see it as an almost
>impossible task.
>
>You might be content with the bland truisms trotted out by Fyfpoon on
>this board. After a year it gets a little tiring.
Crackheads always agree. They never get tired of repeating.
>
>Furthermore, I do wonder why you and Fyfpoon make so many inconsistent
>posts, either the treatments have worked for you or they have not. If
>my tinnitus no longer affected me I would not come here. The rest of
>us get a slightly distorted message, 'it worked, sort of, not
>entirely, but I still suffer despite being cured'.
Its because fyfpoon is a fool with a bad Hong Kong Crack habit. He
can't cure something he never had. He needs to focus on his addiction
and forget about T. Thats why his ears ring!
>
>I will ignore the invective of your last paragraph, grossly offensive
>as it is, I have decided not to respond in kind. I hope you can
>follow my example. Please read the post you are responding to a
>little more carefully, as your follow up will give the impression that
>you are a bloody idiot.
>
>Best regards
>
>
>John
You figure it out John. Janice is a man(Larry) and he poses as a
newsgroup troll as a female. That should give you a clue. Oh and his
groupie friend, fyfpoon, is his best mate!
. Bluto
>Hi Janice, and thanks for the information. I'll add Manganese and
>Acupuncture to my list of things to try...
>
>Simply ignoring my tinnitus hasn't been a very good method of 'handling' it.
>
>Thanks for the post...
We'll be waiting for your post in a couple of months saying manganese
didn't help! Then Janice(larry) will come up with some stupid reason
it didn't. Maybe you didn't take a double dose's when the moon was
full....yeah, thats it!!
sugar plum fairy
"Janice" <Janice@hurtmail..com> wrote in message
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Janice
elemental manganese (from memory) each. Different compounds render different
elemental contents of the desired element, depending on mix and also
bio-availability too. I can't remember the compound but it was hard to find
in that strength (in Canada)
I was also taking magnesium oxide and vitamin C (always take that as a a
co-factor). It took about 3-4 months to get noticable effect the first time.
Now when my T flares up it takes almost a week of 5-10mg per day and then it
will disapear for a few months again.
"sugar plum fairy" <sugarplumfairydoesntlivehereanymore.com> wrote in
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Janice
supplementation with herbal or naturally occuring substances. This is
usually and almost always, "it took tonnes of it", when the recipient has
only bought one bottle of the smallest and cheapest amount they can find and
after taking the supplement for a day or two given up in disgust. We see
this foolish behaviour consistently by the failures here attempting to smash
down others successes. It is fair to say misery loves company. (Blufo is a
fine example)
As far as alternative therapies, there are none, other then anxiety
medication that can quell the nervous response to a chemical unbalance. See
you doctor and perhaps his wife can advise you, or one of his friends. YMMV
Nagler was doing a great service to the community with his witchcraft,
habituation techniques. If it works, do it and stop whining. It usually
comes to this here with all the anxiety personalities.
"jrw" <jrwi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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sugar plum fairy
"Janice" <Janice@hurtmail..com> wrote in message
. Bluto
wrote:
>I was taking 25mg of manganese twice a day. This was equivalent of 5mg
>elemental manganese (from memory) each. Different compounds render different
>elemental contents of the desired element, depending on mix and also
>bio-availability too. I can't remember the compound but it was hard to find
>in that strength (in Canada)
>
>I was also taking magnesium oxide and vitamin C (always take that as a a
>co-factor). It took about 3-4 months to get noticable effect the first time.
>Now when my T flares up it takes almost a week of 5-10mg per day and then it
>will disapear for a few months again.
Ha...when your T flares up and disappear for a few months. I don't
think you even have T fool!
. Bluto
wrote:
>First, I doubt you have given fair trials to mainstr4eam treatments, like
>supplementation with herbal or naturally occuring substances. This is
>usually and almost always, "it took tonnes of it", when the recipient has
>only bought one bottle of the smallest and cheapest amount they can find and
>after taking the supplement for a day or two given up in disgust. We see
>this foolish behaviour consistently by the failures here attempting to smash
>down others successes. It is fair to say misery loves company. (Blufo is a
>fine example)
Be sure to report back after you foolishly use manganse to let us know
it never works! Who would believe Janice(oh sorry its larry in
tights) who has ocassional T(so he says). His ears ring from bobbing
his neck too much ;-). Blood supply to his brain gets reduced from
his bobbing actions.
>
>As far as alternative therapies, there are none, other then anxiety
>medication that can quell the nervous response to a chemical unbalance. See
>you doctor and perhaps his wife can advise you, or one of his friends. YMMV
>Nagler was doing a great service to the community with his witchcraft,
>habituation techniques. If it works, do it and stop whining. It usually
>comes to this here with all the anxiety personalities.
Oh now its witchcraft too. Everyone wait for a full moon! Larry
"Janice" just keeps getting stranger and stranger. Ya need to get
your head screw on straight there janice.
fyf...@gmail.com
I don't really care if the 'majority' of the people who come here or
there have tried alternative methods or not. I am simply here to tell
them my own personal experience, and to do so without your giving me
the negative labellings.
Your effort to try to bring me in line with what you think is right is
too much platitutious, especially for subjects of such an esoteric
nature.
>
> Best regards
>
> John
>
> Best regards
>
> John- 隐藏被引用文字 -
>
> - 显示引用的文字 -
jrw
Simple question... have you been cured of tinnitus?
Best regards
John
Janice
year bickering across the tinnitus chat groups, distroying any co-operative
spirit that may result in some healing or otherwise hope for badly suffering
tinnitus players.
Do you actually have tinnitus or are you just trolling for action becaue you
are bored or disapointed with your personal progress?
People get pretty sick of this negative, nothing can ever work attitude. It
can spread like a bad colon cancer. You should know it can be dug out in
most cases.
"jrw" <jrwi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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jrw
Two things, I remain fervently optimistic that there will be a cure,
sooner than later, research into the condition is now at an all time
high, due in part to the war in Iraq, many ex-servicemen are returning
with the affliction.
Paradoxically, I feel that the stance you and Fyfpoon adopt is wholly
negative. The remedies that you suggest have such a poor 'strike'
rate, if you think they are the answer, then you are condemning the
majority of us to the condition until we die. I think that is
extremely pessimistic.
Let me ask you this, have you read much on stem cell research and
tinnitus?
Best regards
John
fyf...@gmail.com
My maddening ill named tinnitus, with high-pitched sound 24/7, has
been turned into a low volume sound that comes only intermittently.
At times I even deliberately listen to it and it is not there! The
break-through was an acupuncture operation performed in Vancouver.
fyf...@gmail.com
> Hi Janice,
>
> Two things, I remain fervently optimistic that there will be a cure,
> sooner than later,
I know a couple of individuals whose T was CURED by attending their
illness as soon as it occurred. They are lucky that they did not come
to this type of discussion group and got misguided by the
irresponsible citation of 'controlled studies'.
==============================
jrw
Hi Fyfpoon,
So you no longer suffer from tinnitus then? All down to acupuncture?
Thats just great. It didn't work for me, and it hasn't worked for
millions. In fact it works for very few. But please keep coming back
and telling us how it worked for you, sort of, not quite, but near
enough.
As if there is a sufferer who has not heard of acupuncture. Please
make another 100 posts on acupuncture and GB before the year is out.
Heaven forbid you might make an original post. Have you read anything
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8??12??, ????6??09??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 4:58 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 8??10??, ????3??10??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:> Fyfpoon, you wrote this:
Like who gives a dead rats behind about your own personal experience
especially when its filled with stupid remedies and snake oil.
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8??20??, ????4??11??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Janice,
>>
>> Two things, I remain fervently optimistic that there will be a cure,
>> sooner than later,
>
>I know a couple of individuals whose T was CURED by attending their
>illness as soon as it occurred. They are lucky that they did not come
>to this type of discussion group and got misguided by the
>irresponsible citation of 'controlled studies'.
Then it wasn't T fool. Just a temporary thing. Maybe too much time
behind a crack pipe like in your situation.
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
Some break through. No doctors or ENT specialists ever suggest
acupuncture. The only one who does is some dummy like you fyfpoon.
I think you have an overly deep acupuncture needle stuck in your left
hemisphere somewhere that makes you so stupid.
. Bluto
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 1:54 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
He needs acupuncture for his addiction and a lame brain. I bet
fyfpoon has been to mars too with his groupie cohort janice(larry in
pink tights)
fyf...@gmail.com
> On Aug 20, 1:54 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 8月19日, 下午11时29分, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi Fyfpoon,
>
> > > Simple question... have you been cured of tinnitus?
>
> > > Best regards
>
> > > John
>
> > My maddening ill named tinnitus, with high-pitched sound 24/7, has
> > been turned into a low volume sound that comes only intermittently.
> > At times I even deliberately listen to it and it is not there! The
> > break-through was an acupuncture operation performed in Vancouver.
>
> Hi Fyfpoon,
>
> So you no longer suffer from tinnitus then? All down to acupuncture?
Not 'all', but it released me of my nerve discomfort and then the
sound has been going down gradually...
> Thats just great. It didn't work for me,
Too bad...
> and it hasn't worked for
> millions.
How do you know that? Have you done a counting? Don't simply throw
something into the air and treat it as a 'fact'.
In fact it works for very few. But please keep coming back
> and telling us how it worked for you, sort of, not quite, but near
> enough.
>
> As if there is a sufferer who has not heard of acupuncture.
Having heard and having given it a honest trial are two different
things...
Please
> make another 100 posts on acupuncture and GB before the year is out.
> Heaven forbid you might make an original post. Have you read anything
> on stem cell research and tinnitus?
As I told you in another post. I am not interested in an exchange of
verbosity.
>
> Best regards
>
> John
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8??20??, ????12??19??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 1:54 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
You're just interested in the exchange and polluting the newsgroups
with bull scat
fyf...@gmail.com
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:54:18 -0700 (PDT), "fyfp...@gmail.com"
>
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 8??19??, ????11??29??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Fyfpoon,
>
> >> Simple question... have you been cured of tinnitus?
>
> >> Best regards
>
> >> John
>
> >My maddening ill named tinnitus, with high-pitched sound 24/7, has
> >been turned into a low volume sound that comes only intermittently.
> >At times I even deliberately listen to it and it is not there! The
> >break-through was an acupuncture operation performed in Vancouver.
>
> Some break through. No doctors or ENT specialists ever suggest
> acupuncture.
I was suggested to try acupuncture by my ENT doctor. Do you know
something, Bluto? The world in which we live is very large and looks
like a sphere...
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8??20??, ????9??49??, Bluto < @ . > wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:54:18 -0700 (PDT), "fyfp...@gmail.com"
>>
>> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 8??19??, ????11??29??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Fyfpoon,
>>
>> >> Simple question... have you been cured of tinnitus?
>>
>> >> Best regards
>>
>> >> John
>>
>> >My maddening ill named tinnitus, with high-pitched sound 24/7, has
>> >been turned into a low volume sound that comes only intermittently.
>> >At times I even deliberately listen to it and it is not there! The
>> >break-through was an acupuncture operation performed in Vancouver.
>>
>> Some break through. No doctors or ENT specialists ever suggest
>> acupuncture.
>
>I was suggested to try acupuncture by my ENT doctor. Do you know
>something, Bluto? The world in which we live is very large and looks
>like a sphere...
Only a quack doctor on your side of the planet would suggest
acupuncture. Did he also tell you that if that don't work then use GB
and that'll do it! This doctor should consult with Larry the Janice
regarding his manganse miracle cure.
fyf...@gmail.com
>
> Two things, I remain fervently optimistic that there will be a cure,
*Some* have been cured using whatever means. I know a couple of
newbies who were 'cured' by attending to their illness as soon as it
surfaced.
> sooner than later, research into the condition is now at an all time
> high, due in part to the war in Iraq, many ex-servicemen are returning
> with the affliction.
>
> Paradoxically, I feel that the stance you and Fyfpoon adopt is wholly
> negative.
Wrong spelling, it is positive. You don't simply put words into
others' mouths and move on from there.
> The remedies that you suggest have such a poor 'strike'
> rate,
It works for *some* under *some* circumstances...
>if you think they are the answer,
They are the answers for *some*, tho unfortunately not for you.
> then you are condemning the
> majority of us to the condition until we die.
Since your assumption in the form of accusation is false, this
inference or conclusion does not stand...You are simply throwing out
words and words and words....
jrw
We have been down this route before. I posted several links to
research studies that showed what a poor strike rate both treatments
had for the majority of sufferers. Of course you rejected this.
According to you, the double blind system of testing, your words, was
not relevant, much to the merriment of others. So... you're a crank
and a quack, nothing wrong with that for the most part. The problem
is your incessant posting. It's repetitive, tiresome and dull.
I would go as far to say that your advocacy for GB is looking more
like an advertisement rather than a medical suggestion. I have no
idea what you do for work, but at times I get the distinct feeling you
work for a pharmaceutical mail order firm in Vancouver.
Best regards
John
fyf...@gmail.com
If anyone who suggests GB is effective for tinnitus were working for
commercial interest, you would have to prove that selling GB is a
monopoly in the world.
>
> Best regards
>
> John
jrw
'If anyone who suggests GB is effective for tinnitus were working for
commercial interest, you would have to prove that selling GB is a
monopoly in the world.'
If you continuously promote a product that you have an interest in on
Google Groups it is outside the terms of use. That is of little
interest to me, but your answer is revealing on many levels. How is
the mail order business going?
Best regards
John
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8??20??, ????4??11??, jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Janice,
>>
>> Two things, I remain fervently optimistic that there will be a cure,
>
>*Some* have been cured using whatever means. I know a couple of
>newbies who were 'cured' by attending to their illness as soon as it
>surfaced.
*Bull Crap* Those who were cured didn't have T in the first place
fool. You ears can ring from many other things, for instance, all the
crack you smoke
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
fyfpoon is too stupid to sell it. He just buys it for his bong. I
think he is in dire need a diuretic and laxative...give that fool a
good cleaning out ;-)
fyf...@gmail.com
When one fails to answer a question intellectually, one resorts to
words and words ...and words.
jrw
You have failed to answer many questions, intellectually or not. What
question have you raised and I have failed to answer? Your assertion
that the double blind system of testing treatments is fundamentally
flawed? Or that the clinical trials of GB for tinnitus has only mixed
success, as with acupuncture... You have failed to respond to any of
the links to this data in a coherent manner.
No matter how much scientific data there is, you keep coming back with
'words and words ...and words', how a friend of yours was 'cured'.
Have a heart Fyfpoon, many here are suffering, they don't need to read
about quack miracle cures from someone who is not following the
scientific literature, who is not a doctor, who may even not have
tinnitus.
One question you singularly failed to answer; have you read anything
. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only words you know fyfpoon are GB, ACUPUNCTURE and CRACK.
You've worn those first two words out.
. Bluto
wrote:
>Hi Fyfpoon,
>
>You have failed to answer many questions, intellectually or not. What
>question have you raised and I have failed to answer? Your assertion
>that the double blind system of testing treatments is fundamentally
>flawed? Or that the clinical trials of GB for tinnitus has only mixed
>success, as with acupuncture... You have failed to respond to any of
>the links to this data in a coherent manner.
>
>No matter how much scientific data there is, you keep coming back with
>'words and words ...and words', how a friend of yours was 'cured'.
>Have a heart Fyfpoon, many here are suffering, they don't need to read
>about quack miracle cures from someone who is not following the
>scientific literature, who is not a doctor, who may even not have
>tinnitus.
Right on..fyfpoon don't and never has had T. His ear ringing is from
toking on this crack bong filled with GB. When he don't toke, the
ringing stops for a couple of hours...that PROVES GB cures his
"T"(Where T in his case is 'TOKING')
>One question you singularly failed to answer; have you read anything
>on stem cell research and tinnitus?
Far eastern prehistoric medicine, which fyfpoon practices, thinks stem
cell is a street vendor in Hong Konk selling roses(stem sell).
fyf...@gmail.com
> Hi Fyfpoon,
>
> You have failed to answer many questions, intellectually or not.
if you asked a question and had not got a reply, it would be either i
don't have the answer or an oversight.
What
> question have you raised and I have failed to answer?
so?
Your assertion
> that the double blind system of testing treatments is fundamentally
> flawed?
that is not what I said but what you said in your unsophisticated
words. i meant double blind study, like any other kind of study, has
its limitations.
Or that the clinical trials of GB for tinnitus has only mixed
> success, as with acupuncture...
i think i suggested to you and the audience that each patient responds
differently. it works for some but not for others, like any other
treatment.
You have failed to respond to any of
> the links to this data in a coherent manner.
>
I think you like to show off the use of the word coherent.
> No matter how much scientific data there is, you keep coming back with
> 'words and words ...
studies using 'scientific data' may disagree with each other in the
inferences they are used to draw,
>and words', how a friend of yours was 'cured'.
and it is true. take my own case, i started with a maddening sound and
now from time to time i go into a room and deliberately listen to the
sound. it is either not there or very low.
> Have a heart Fyfpoon,
i have one...
many here are suffering, they don't need to read
> about quack miracle cures from someone who is not following the
> scientific literature, who is not a doctor, who may even not have
> tinnitus.
you are also not a doctor too. by the way, how many doctors have
answers for tinnitus. i visited over 10 doctors practicing western
medicine during the onset of my T. i think they have no clue what
caused it nor did they know how to treat it. they bowshit like you!
> One question you singularly failed to answer; have you read anything
> on stem cell research and tinnitus?
No...you have been asking around this question.
>
> Best regards
>
> John
fyf...@gmail.com
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:14:18 -0700 (PDT), jrw <jrwilm...@gmail.com>
i think it is high time for you to carry on with JRW...
Janice
attacks on what has worked efficiently for so many.
Show us the Chinese medicine studies on your so called western medicine
cures!
Tit for tat Steve?
"jrw" <jrwi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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. Bluto
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
you're the "high time" crack head fyfpoon ;-)
. Bluto
>you are also not a doctor too. by the way, how many doctors have
>answers for tinnitus. i visited over 10 doctors practicing western
>medicine during the onset of my T. i think they have no clue what
>caused it nor did they know how to treat it. they bowshit like you!
You never had T foolpoon. You're a sloooooooooooooow learner if it
took you 10 different doctors only to find out that crack is causing
your ears to ring. And of course the doctors didn't know you are a
crack head cuz you didn't tell them. Thats why they can't help. You
need a drug rehab clinic doctor for your problems.
Solipsist
"John" <im5...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xl7hk.3866$KI7...@newsfe08.iad...
> To sum it up, I can either continue to try and just live with it and
> ignore it - or blow my brains out. I'll keep trying to ignore it...
>
> Don't know if the above will actually help anyone, but I'd be interested
> in hearing your stories too.
I've just been reading a few posts in this newsgroup for the first time in a
long time. For the past few weeks my T has been unusually annoying so I was
looking around to see if a miracle cure has been found - seems it hasn't.
I got T on New Year's Eve 1994/1995 when I was 14 years old. I was a stupid
kid playing with fireworks but I guess I'm lucky I didn't go blind or lose a
limb. For the first few hours after I could hardly hear anything and it
scared the crap out of me. Obviously I went to an ENT but he just said he
couldn't do anything and it would diminish over time. Fortunately my hearing
quickly came back and the ringing was reduced dramatically over the first
few weeks but it still took me a long long time to learn to live with it.
For the first few years or so I couldn't sit quietly and read a book without
going mad from the incessant ringing.
I've tried acupuncture, gingko-biloba and some other nature remedies I don't
remember. Obviously none of it worked and it's been several years since I
tried anything new. Exercise does help me, not because it reduces the
ringing, but because it relaxes me and makes me care less. Similarly a
couple of glasses of wine or a few beers sometimes helps.
Much of the time now it doesn't bother me much, but I'll get periods of a
few weeks or months where for some reason it seems worse. I think the change
is mostly psychological though.