high blood pressure
writer
normal regiment? They tried raising my dosage and the only change was
I then had heart palpitations!
I have tried the argument many times that it's part of the
hypothyroidism package and the answer is your numbers are normal, that
can't be it.
I have researched an know there are many factors to high blood
pressure. Stress being major of course. I also have sleep apnea,
which according to one site increases blood pressure. Then there is
menopause and that my hormones are out of whack, which also
contributes. The doc's respond, "that could be part of it, but not
all."
Of course, the fact that my pressure reading is 30 points lower when I
go somewhere and take it gets a reaction, "their machines are not
accurate." I know I have white coat hypertension along with all the
rest. I wouldn't even be giving this a thought, but I might need
cataract surgery. Your blood pressure had to be under control.
I am sure my pressure is getting higher just thinking about all of
this.
Laura Bell
Alan B. Mac Farlane
dd5053ae-ac56-4a69...@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com, writer at
wri...@well.com wrote on 3/30/09 12:37 AM:
>
> I have tried the argument many times that it's part of the
> hypothyroidism package and the answer is your numbers are normal, that
> can't be it.
High Blood Pressure is NOT part of HYPOthyroid ... 100% hypo is 100%
disability.
100% fox up beyond any recognition.
Brain fog ... hell it is a brain swamp in a hurricane ... what a mess.
Low blood pressure, low heart rate, low metabolism, flat on your back I am
going to DIE DIE DIE.
HYPO conditions are not high in any way ... low low low.
Your HIGH blood pressure is from your circulatory system being tight and
having no room to move the blood ... your arteries are tight, your muscles
are tight, the vessel that holds the blood is tight, has no room, hard as a
rock.
Some people have a tight eyes ... so they have high eye pressure.
It is a function of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder ...
Drugs make it worse.
PTSD is best treated with the applied psychophysiology intervention.
Traditional 5 element Accupuncture is a good one, hot yoga, massage,
streatching ...
Go elicit the "Mac Farlane Response" out of the Golgi Tendon appartus ...
and after you cool it down with blue ice .. and re-set your Autonomic
Nervous System ... the blood pressure readings with respond positively is
the big IMO from silly me.
sumbuddie on da watchtower wear blind sea
:?
96w...@gmail.com
normalized when treated. It also increases when I'm undertreated. So
hypo can definitely can be a factor in some people.
Sal Video
"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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writer
> in article
> dd5053ae-ac56-4a69-a34a-c24364df6...@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com, writer at
> wri...@well.com wrote on 3/30/09 12:37 AM:
>
>
>
> > I have tried the argument many times that it's part of the
> > hypothyroidism package and the answer is your numbers are normal, that
> > can't be it.
>
> High Blood Pressure is NOT part of HYPOthyroid ... 100% hypo is 100%
> disability.
>
> 100% fox up beyond any recognition.
>
> Brain fog ... hell it is a brain swamp in a hurricane ... what a mess.
>
> Low blood pressure, low heart rate, low metabolism, flat on your back I am
> going to DIE DIE DIE.
>
> HYPO conditions are not high in any way ... low low low.
>
> Your HIGH blood pressure is from your circulatory system being tight and
> having no room to move the blood ... your arteries are tight, your muscles
> are tight, the vessel that holds the blood is tight, has no room, hard as a
> rock.
>
> Some people have a tight eyes ... so they have high eye pressure.
>
> It is a function of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder ...
>
> Drugs make it worse.
hypothyroid. The low comes from the other end of the disease. I even
had several doctors agree with me.
Laura
deT notsuH
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020901/tips/2.html
Note that diastolic hypertension for which hypothyroidism is known is
the bottom NUMBer in your blood pressure reading (e.g., the "80" in
a reading of 120/80, "120 over 80").
--
deT notsuH bass-ackwards ude.hcimu@pcird
A man once told me, "Cheer up, things could be worse."
So I cheered up and sure enough, things got worse.
Alan B. Mac Farlane
faab50a2-0e03-460e...@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com, writer at
wri...@well.com wrote on 3/31/09 12:30 AM:
>
> I have read many times that high blood pressure is a part of
> hypothyroid. The low comes from the other end of the disease. I even
> had several doctors agree with me.
>
> Laura
oh silly me ..
in some people ... have that medical profile thank god and lucky them.
on that side of the bell curve ... can only guess on the other side of the
bell curve .. are the ones who have near death experiences with severe hypo
conditions. they lose their basal reflexes, like the golgi-tendon response
at the back of the archilles tendon test. Still have the knee response but
that is slowed down a bit for some people of course.
hypo thryroid comes depression, dispair and dispondency as well in the lack
of thryoid hormome ... still makes low low low being hypo.
for high blood pressure problems ... bark up the scientific tree of
re-setting the operating condition of the Autonomic Nervous System, and stop
looking into the thyroid bottle for that cure if your blood assay comes out
spot on correct.
it is not a thyroid problem at that time.
IMO and all that rot from silly me talking.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:?
Alan B. Mac Farlane
pcird*BACKWARDS*@hcimu.ude wrote on 3/31/09 8:52 AM:
> You might find this interesting:
> http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020901/tips/2.html
> Note that diastolic hypertension for which hypothyroidism is known is
> the bottom NUMBer in your blood pressure reading (e.g., the "80" in
> a reading of 120/80, "120 over 80").
yeah, it become 'worrisome' when the diastolic is at 90 or higher (as in
"120 over 90).
The diastolic pressure indicates that the heart is not resting in between
beats ... the heart muscles is tonic, spastic, cramping, holding on to tight
if you will .. and thusly holding the fluid, the soup, the blood goop to
hard blowing things out.
if your heart is okey ... think about taking a hot water bottle, and heating
up the heart muscle like you would heat up a calf muscle in your leg to get
the tired out of it ...
lay down on the covered hot water bottle, and let the heart relax more in
between beats ... after about 20 minutes the heart sloowwwws way down from
the heat ... keep pumping no problem.
Then go back with 2 hours of blue ice ... to firm it back up and take the
heat sink out.
Nice turn of events in changing the operating condition of the heart, and
the autonomic nervous system that operates it.
imo and all that rot ...
writer
I know longer feel like I am chasing windmills. I printed it out and
am sending to my doc as soon as I can. Many, many thanks.
Laura
Rod
> On Mar 30, 5:34 am, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote:
<>
> I have read many times that high blood pressure is a part of
> hypothyroid. The low comes from the other end of the disease. I even
> had several doctors agree with me.
>
> Laura
>
I do agree that there is plenty of evidence to suggest a strong
relationship between high blood pressure and hypO.
But be aware that hypO can also lead to low blood pressure. (Partner had
a long period of significantly low BP - 97/58 sort of thing.) Not sure
exactly why, but simply the fact that many hypOs suffer muscle weakness
might be enough.
Also, specifically orthostatic hypotension may be related to hypO and
adrenal issues.
So don't go thinking the low BP comes from hypER (which is what you
seemed to say) - I don't think that it does (but am not very well versed
in hypER).
--
Rod
Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
<www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>
hiasm
Thank you for posting this!! My husband and I have been going crazy
wondering why my bottom number was so high!! I've never had a problem
with my blood pressure and it was actually starting to worry me.
Theresa
jessiecarole
(diastolic) number is always 120+.
Time to clean up my diet. Its hard to give up caffeine because I enjoy
that small, short lived boost of energy.
caroline
"writer" wrote
> Does anyone else have high blood pressure that doesn't respond to the
> normal regiment? They tried raising my dosage and the only change was
> I then had heart palpitations!
>
> I have tried the argument many times that it's part of the
> hypothyroidism package and the answer is your numbers are normal, that
> can't be it.
>
Wow, its as if you are me!
I have also tried the "its one of many symptoms, so why treat it
differently" argument....but the reply I always get, rightly or wrongly (I'm
generally too fed up at that point in the consultation to argue too hard),
is that its the symptom which has very serious health implications if not
under control.
My top number is a little high, ranging from 148 to 171, but my bottom
number just keeps increasing, despite the different HBP meds they try me
on.....and I'm an awkward HBP patient as I'm scared stiff of BP meds, and
fight like a wild cat when they suggest a change each time....the thought of
going on a medication that will cause more problems if I try to come off it
is very worrisome, so I never change my BP meds unless I'm satisfied that I
can come off it further down the line with little or no problem...but they
are running out of 'nice' BP medications to try me on, and I seem to be
barrelling onwards to the heavyweight BP meds...and I'm downright scared by
that thought!
Gail
Have you had a look at what you could do nutritionally to make the
blood vessels more flexible. I guess the number one thing I would be
thinking about is the fats in our diets - trans fats like magarine and
in most fast foods make stiff cell walls - good fats like the Omega
3's in fish oils make flexible cell walls. Dosage range for blood
pressure is anywhere from 6,000-12,000 mg a day - usually one capsule
is 1000 mg. Other things like Magnesium, chronic dehydration, and vein
health herbs like Gingko and Hawthorn could also be worth checking
out.
Gail
caroline
"Gail" wrote
Gail
------------------------------------------
I stopped using butter on the whole years ago, and only ever use
polyunsaturated spreads, on bread and in cooking.
I take daily cod liver oil capsules, with added garlic (meant to be good for
HBP)
I drink 2 litres of water a day, religiously
I use only skimmed milk.
I throw garlic into anything I can get away with.
If a particular recipe demands butter I use an unsalted version
I stopped using salt in cooking a long time ago, and gave up adding it to my
plate at the table several months ago.
I watch sodium levels on food labels like a hawk, and consume a minimum
amount.
I gave up all caffeine in January....including the caffeine that sneaks into
fizzy drinks.
I eat/use only wholegrain/wholemeal ceareal, bread and pasta products. My
bread is strictly homemade, so I have full control on the amount of salt and
type of fat used when baking it!)
Sadly I'm a walking advert for best practice blood pressure nutirition, and
yes, it is sometimes as boring as it sounds....but nothing is making a
difference...
I'm intrigued by the 'chronic dehydration' reference....are you recommending
that as something to avoid or to strive for?
bgl
>> > Does anyone else have high blood pressure that doesn't respond to
>> > the normal regiment? They tried raising my dosage and the only
>> > change was I then had heart palpitations!
> On Apr 19, 9:08 pm, "caroline" wrote:
>>
>> My top number is a little high, ranging from 148 to 171, but my
>> bottom number just keeps increasing, despite the different HBP meds
>> they try me on.....and I'm an awkward HBP patient as I'm scared stiff
>> of BP meds, and fight like a wild cat when they suggest a change each
>> time....the thought of going on a medication that will cause more
>> problems if I try to come off it is very worrisome, so I never change
>> my BP meds unless I'm satisfied that I can come off it further down
>> the line with little or no problem...but they are running out of
>> 'nice' BP medications to try me on, and I seem to be barrelling
>> onwards to the heavyweight BP meds...and I'm downright scared by
>> that thought!
>
> "Gail" wrote
> Have you had a look at what you could do nutritionally to make the
> blood vessels more flexible. Gail
>
I'm sure my regular aerobic exercise has helped keep my bp under control
with less medication than I might otherwise need.
I'm not afraid of bp meds. I am more afraid of the consequences of
uncontrolled hypertension -- things like stroke & kidney failure --
which I'm also at more risk for as a diabetic. Fortunately I've done
well with a single ACE inhibitor for 10+ years, at a fairly low dose.
I'm not sure what is meant by "heavyweight BP meds".
bj
(I hope I got the quotes/attribs right)
Gail
> I stopped using butter on the whole years ago, and only ever use
> polyunsaturated spreads, on bread and in cooking.
> I take daily cod liver oil capsules, with added garlic (meant to be good for
> HBP)
> I drink 2 litres of water a day, religiously
> I use only skimmed milk.
> I throw garlic into anything I can get away with.
> If a particular recipe demands butter I use an unsalted version
> I stopped using salt in cooking a long time ago, and gave up adding it to my
> plate at the table several months ago.
> I watch sodium levels on food labels like a hawk, and consume a minimum
> amount.
> I gave up all caffeine in January....including the caffeine that sneaks into
> fizzy drinks.
> I eat/use only wholegrain/wholemeal ceareal, bread and pasta products. My
> bread is strictly homemade, so I have full control on the amount of salt and
> type of fat used when baking it!)
>
> Sadly I'm a walking advert for best practice blood pressure nutirition, and
> yes, it is sometimes as boring as it sounds....but nothing is making a
> difference...
>
> I'm intrigued by the 'chronic dehydration' reference....are you recommending
>
> - Show quoted text -
It sounds like you might be the walking advertisement that current
best practice thinking for hypertension is flawed. If what you are
doing isn't working, question the hypothesis - believe what is
happening to you rather than majority medical nutritional dogma.
Chronic dehydration creates a chronic health problems - yes avoid it.
The low salt idea comes from the same era that told us to avoid eggs
and is only relevant to a small proportion of people with high blood
pressure - usually those with kidney involvement. Regular use of good
quality unrefined sea salt is actually very good nutrition, especially
for people with adrenal problems (which means a lot of people with
thyroid problems). Salt helps the body to dump toxins and acts as a
natural antihistamine.
The polyunsaturated spreads are too high iin Omega 6 which feeds into
proinflammatory (read chronic health problem) pathways in the body -
in contrast the Omega 3s act as anti inflammatories, . The western
diet is deficient in omega 3s and overloaded with omega 6s.
Maybe drop the polyunsaturated spreads and vegetable oils- especially
corn. Good quality organic butter is yummy, and provides essential fat
soluble vitamins.The inicidence of diabetes has increased in tandem
with the use of margarines. If you want a vegetable oil use Olive or
Flax. Flax has the highest ratio of omega 3s to 6s in a vegetable oil,
and it's still a bit too high in the omega 6s for a lot of people.
Maybe increase the amount of cod liver oil that you take - or add in
some normal fish oil or green lipped mussel to increase the omega 3s
substantially
Gail
Dee
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Gail
*****
Gail, you took the words right out of my mouth. I love organic butter, and I
eat lots of it. Organic whole milk. Coconut oil.
My father had a heart attack in his late 40's, and following 'health
instructions' put out by the heart association (of all people!) he started
to eat soft 'heart healthy' margarine. He ended up having to undergo bypass
surgery 6 years ago. It's the dangerous trans fatty acids these thing have.
Now he eats flax oil and fish oils.
As far as sodium, we *need* sodium to be healthy. The heart association
(among others) recommends low sodium diets. Yes, 'regular' salt is bad for
you; but unrefined sea salt is not.
Dee
Amanita
> Salt helps the body to dump toxins and acts as a
> natural antihistamine.
>
That's an interesting theory. Can you explain more about the
antihistamine bit? Is there some connection between the increase in hay
fever sufferers and low salt diets perhaps?
Amanita
> Yes, 'regular' salt is bad
> for you; but unrefined sea salt is not.
I understand that unrefined sea salt will have additional ingredients
that may (or may not!) be good for you, but what is it that is actually
bad about regular salt?
Dee
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True, about the unrefined sea salt, Amanita. Some can have 'who knows what?'
in it, I imagine - I guess you have to educate yourself before buying. I was
talking about organic, unrefined, high-quality - I should have been more
specific.
As far as table salt being unhealthy - it's my understanding that all the
minerals are 'refined' out of it - it's processed; and things, that aren't
so great, are added to it. Sugar, for example, chemical additives,
anti-caking agents, chemicals that contain aluminum. It's just my
understanding that it isn't healthy. I'm curious, now, whether you think it
is healthy.
Dee
bgl
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>
> As far as table salt being unhealthy - it's my understanding that all
> the minerals are 'refined' out of it - it's processed; and things,
> that aren't so great, are added to it. Sugar, for example, chemical
> additives, anti-caking agents, chemicals that contain aluminum.
They put sugar in salt?
Since when, and what brands?
bj
Rod
To the best of my knowledge standard UK table salt is rock salt plus an
anti-caking agent which may be magnesium carbonate, sodium
hexacyanoferrate II or both. (Other substances may be used elsewhere or
in other brands.) Of course, in other countries other possibilities exist.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will
refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something
which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he
will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is
explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
Dee
"bgl" <bjon...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I have no idea how many companies add sugar (dextrose) to their salt; but I
found this amongst the first hits in my google search - Courtesy of
mortonsalt.com (not sure where morton salt is made/sold):
" 5) Why is iodine added to salt? Why is dextrose added to salt?
In 1924 Morton became the first company to produce iodized salt for the
table in order to reduce the incidence of simple goiter. Dextrose is added
to stabilize the iodide. Iodine is vital to the proper functioning of the
thyroid gland and the prevention of goiter. Actually, the amount of dextrose
in salt is so small that it is dietetically insignificant. Morton® Iodized
Table Salt contains 0.04 percent dextrose or 40 milligrams per 100 grams of
salt. Morton® Plain Table Salt contains neither iodine nor dextrose. All
Morton Salt products containing potassium iodide are labeled as such."
Dee
Dee
"Rod" <poly...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Hi Rod, I'm really not sure what Canada adds to their salt - it's probably
different for each company. I just remember seeing really weird ingredients
that happened to be added to salt, while I was doing some internet searching
on... salt. ; ) lol
And, I remember reading a lot, that regular salt isn't as healthy as *good*
unrefined sea salt. Something about regular salt not 'hydrating' the body,
but instead dehydrating the body... I'm definitely not a salt expert! ha, ha
Dee
writer
I went along for awhile on changing meds. Here's the results, the
ones my health care would pay for cause coughing. I have a
residential allergy cough so no thanks. The others they wouldn't
cover. Can't take water pills because I am allergic to sulfer. When
I go to the drugstore, and use their machine, I have been, for the
past month 131/71. The doc doesn't care even though I have told her
numerous times I have whitecoat hypertension. She believes the
numbers they get. All this is a little more touchy since in a couple
of years I will need cataract surgery. She was eager to point that if
my pressure wasn't controlled, they wouldn't give me the surgery I
need! I am changing docs.
Laura Bell
Amanita
> And, I remember reading a lot, that regular salt isn't as healthy as *good*
> unrefined sea salt.
Yes I've read that in the past too. But something not being as good for
you doesn't necessarily mean it's actually bad for you :)
> Something about regular salt not 'hydrating' the body,
> but instead dehydrating the body...
Ah, so the implication then, is that unrefined sea salt does hydrate the
body? If that's the case, then that may be a reason to suggest that
regular salt could be bad for you.
> I'm definitely not a salt expert! ha, ha
Understood Dee! We're all looking for answers to our health problems,
and I for one am certainly not getting at you personally :) But I am
becoming a little tired of seeing this generalised 'unrefined is good,
refined is bad' theory repeated everywhere without any hard facts to
back it up.
Dee
Hi Amanita,
I found some information then, that talks about dehydration (not saying it's
necessarily fact, either; but it makes sense to me) - and yes, I realize
there are other links that are pro-'refined' salt, as well. I guess we could
do a battle of the links. lol ; ) It's just my thinking that 'refined'
anything is altered in some way. Merely, my opinion. If all y'all ; ) (and
no, I'm not from the South) prefer refined salt, then that is fine with me.
And, I do have to say, that although I entirely understand that when we give
opinions, that they should be backed by some sort of fact; what I don't get
is that the poster who initially said that he/she doesn't eat salt (at all),
and eats polyunsaturated spreads (gasp - lol) wasn't called upon to do the
same. That was his/her opinion; and I just gave mine. But, I'm not upset or
anything - I'm just sayin' : )
From this website: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lsalt.htm
Refined table salt
a.. Inorganic sodium chloride upsets your fluid balance and constantly
overburdens your elimination systems, which can impair your health.
b.. When your body tries to isolate the overdose of refined salt you
typically expose it to, water molecules must surround the sodium chloride
molecules to break them up into sodium and chloride ions in order to help
your body neutralize them. To accomplish this, water is taken from your
cells, and you have to sacrifice the water stored in your cells in order to
neutralize the unnatural sodium chloride.
a.. This results in dehydrated cells that die prematurely.
c.. Refined table salt contains added iodine, which may indeed have helped
eliminate the incidence of endemic goiter, but has conversely increased the
incidence of hypothyroidism.
d.. Refined table salt lacks all trace minerals.
e.. Refined salt contains anticaking agents such as ferrocyanide, yellow
prussiate of soda, tricalcium phosphate, alumine-calcium silicate, sodium
aluminosilicate. All work by preventing the salt from mixing with water,
both inside the box and inside the human body. This prevents the salt from
doing one of its important functions in the organism: regulating hydration.
Amanita
I've never suffered with high BP myself, and I've never been one to take
much salt either. I don't use it in cooking and I rarely put it on my
food. I guess the main source of added salt for me, is from things I
might use in cooking, such as stock cubes. Which of course will contain
refined salt. Oh I have to confess to the occasional snack of roasted,
salted peanuts :(
However, every now and then I do buy large(ish) bags of what's labelled
'cooking salt', because I use it for dying fabric! I've never even
thought to look at the ingredients on that, but I guess it'll be the
usual anti-caking agents etc. So that's my number one reason to vote for
for refined salt! :D :D
> And, I do have to say, that although I entirely understand that when we
> give opinions, that they should be backed by some sort of fact; what I
> don't get is that the poster who initially said that he/she doesn't eat
> salt (at all), and eats polyunsaturated spreads (gasp - lol) wasn't
> called upon to do the same. That was his/her opinion; and I just gave
> mine. But, I'm not upset or anything - I'm just sayin' : )
As I said Dee, nothing personal. You just drew the short straw that day
lol! I don't eat polyunsaturated spreads either. Nothing comes close to
real butter for me, and guess what... I've always preferred unsalted or
lightly salted butter!
> From this website: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lsalt.htm
>
> Refined table salt
> a.. Inorganic sodium chloride upsets your fluid balance and constantly
> overburdens your elimination systems, which can impair your health.
> b.. When your body tries to isolate the overdose of refined salt you
> typically expose it to, water molecules must surround the sodium
> chloride molecules to break them up into sodium and chloride ions in
> order to help your body neutralize them. To accomplish this, water is
> taken from your cells, and you have to sacrifice the water stored in
> your cells in order to neutralize the unnatural sodium chloride.
> a.. This results in dehydrated cells that die prematurely.
> c.. Refined table salt contains added iodine, which may indeed have
> helped eliminate the incidence of endemic goiter, but has conversely
> increased the incidence of hypothyroidism.
> d.. Refined table salt lacks all trace minerals.
> e.. Refined salt contains anticaking agents such as ferrocyanide,
> yellow prussiate of soda, tricalcium phosphate, alumine-calcium
> silicate, sodium aluminosilicate. All work by preventing the salt from
> mixing with water, both inside the box and inside the human body. This
> prevents the salt from doing one of its important functions in the
> organism: regulating hydration.
Thanks for taking the time Dee, interesting reading. My grinder for the
table is filled with sea salt crystals - but they're refined too. Maybe
I'll fill it with 'good salt' instead, that way I'll get a dose of both. :)
Dee
Amanita, I've never had high BP, either (knock on wood) - I've had the
opposite problem, actually. And, I do happen to eat some refined salt,
myself, because it's difficult to avoid. IPlus, I even eat it on purpose
sometimes when I'm in the mood for calcium silicate and sugar. ; )
I do avoid peanuts, though. lol ; ) (supposedly carcenogenic mold/high in
pesticides). I do know I don't feel well on them - I start to get the hint
of uti pain when I eat them. I eat almond butter, though - but almonds are
supposed to be goitrogenic. You can't win. ; )
Dee
Amanita
> Amanita, I've never had high BP, either (knock on wood) - I've had the
> opposite problem, actually.
Me too. I get low BP when my thyroid level is too low. Quite a common
symptom I believe.
> And, I do happen to eat some refined salt,
> myself, because it's difficult to avoid. IPlus, I even eat it on purpose
> sometimes when I'm in the mood for calcium silicate and sugar. ; )
>
> I do avoid peanuts, though. lol ; ) (supposedly carcenogenic mold/high
> in pesticides). I do know I don't feel well on them - I start to get the
> hint of uti pain when I eat them.
I'm really not sure on the info you mention (and I've read it elsewhere
too) about peanuts. I think it may be out of date info and that things
are better these days, but I don't know that of course :) And that's the
problem with all this stuff. I decided a while back that I have to
ignore some of it, as it's so easy to get obsessed and bogged down by it
all. A relative of mine was like that. She had autoimmune thyroid and
rheumatoid arthritis, and unexplained symptoms that were probably
thyroid related. Trying to treat herself by diet (she did take thyroxine
too), she ended up with so few things she would eat it was ridiculous.
And then she died... in her mid-seventies... riddled with cancer. There
are some things you just have no control over. But each to their own. We
must do what we feel is best for us :)
> I eat almond butter, though - but
> almonds are supposed to be goitrogenic. You can't win. ; )
Mmm, I love almonds! Do you have autoimmune thyroid disease? My personal
thinking is that goitrogenic isn't relevant for autoimmune. I'm not
giving up my goitrogenic green veggies... broccoli, brussels, cabbage
etc. I'm sure my thyroid is dead as a dodo anyway by now.
Dee
> Dee wrote:
>> Amanita, I've never had high BP, either (knock on wood) - I've had the
>> opposite problem, actually.
>
> Me too. I get low BP when my thyroid level is too low. Quite a common
> symptom I believe.
>
>> And, I do happen to eat some refined salt, myself, because it's difficult
>> to avoid. IPlus, I even eat it on purpose sometimes when I'm in the mood
>> for calcium silicate and sugar. ; )
>>
>> I do avoid peanuts, though. lol ; ) (supposedly carcenogenic mold/high in
>> pesticides). I do know I don't feel well on them - I start to get the
>> hint of uti pain when I eat them.
>
> I'm really not sure on the info you mention (and I've read it elsewhere
> too) about peanuts. I think it may be out of date info and that things are
> better these days, but I don't know that of course :) And that's the
> problem with all this stuff. I decided a while back that I have to ignore
> some of it, as it's so easy to get obsessed and bogged down by it all. A
> relative of mine was like that. She had autoimmune thyroid and rheumatoid
> arthritis, and unexplained symptoms that were probably thyroid related.
> Trying to treat herself by diet (she did take thyroxine too), she ended up
> with so few things she would eat it was ridiculous. And then she died...
> in her mid-seventies... riddled with cancer. There are some things you
> just have no control over. But each to their own. We must do what we feel
> is best for us :)
I agree, Amanita. : ) I'd be down to just water (and not even that) if I
only ate what was perfectly healthy.
>
>> I eat almond butter, though - but almonds are supposed to be goitrogenic.
>> You can't win. ; )
>
> Mmm, I love almonds! Do you have autoimmune thyroid disease? My personal
> thinking is that goitrogenic isn't relevant for autoimmune. I'm not giving
> up my goitrogenic green veggies... broccoli, brussels, cabbage etc. I'm
> sure my thyroid is dead as a dodo anyway by now.
That's a very good point. Yes, I do have Hashimoto's. I'm still eating
broccoli, cabbage, turnip, etc., in moderation, not wanting to over-do; but
still wanting to be able to eat nutritious foods. So... if the thyroid gland
is dead, as you say (and my doctor told me it's probably just a shrivelled
up... 'thing'), then what difference would it make if it's goitrogenic since
there's barely a thyroid gland to aggravate - and since we're likely not
calling on it to do anything anyway? I'm glad you mentioned that. So, do you
pig out on goitrogens? lol Inquiring minds want to know...
Dee
Dee
"Dee" <D...@here.ca> wrote in message news:KDmIl.25199$PH1.24915@edtnps82...
I'll rephrase that... do you eat as much goitrogenic foods as you like?
Thanks, Dee