Christian Scientist smokers don't get lung cancer!
Eldon
Just kidding, of course.
DavidM
> It's all psychological, don't you see?
> Just kidding, of course.
Would be an interesting exercise, to crunch the stats on a big samnple
and see if there are any statistically significant correlations between
*susceptibility to* smoking-related illness and psychological/lifestyle
factors such as culture and religion.
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Bruce Watson
>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:52:12 -0800, Eldon wrote:
>
>> It's all psychological, don't you see?
>> Just kidding, of course.
>
>Would be an interesting exercise, to crunch the stats on a big samnple
>and see if there are any statistically significant correlations between
>*susceptibility to* smoking-related illness and psychological/lifestyle
>factors such as culture and religion.
It's been researched. Seventh Day Adventists have excellent health.
Many are vegetarians and nearly none smoke. LDS (Mormons) don't have
good dietary habits, but they don't smoke either. Both have low rates
of illnesses caused by smoking.
Eldon
I don't think there would be any difference. But then, I'm not very
"faithful." Or maybe you didn't notice that. ;-O
Ron Hubbard, the "Source" founder of Scientology, once said that you
would be likely to get lung cancer if you QUIT smoking, because
cigarettes were providing "nicotinic acid" (the original name for the
vitamin niacin), and thereby protecting against radiation, the true
cause of cancer.
No shit. It was something that convoluted. Of course, he was a chain
smoker of unfiltered Kools, so he may have been biased.
But if you check out your local Scientology center today, you'll see
quite a few smokers outside. Not that I consider myself a religious
bigot, but I think Scientology and Christian Science are right down
there with Hulda Clark when it comes to quackery, and the JWs aren't
far behind.
And no, this isn't off topic. If they think they can miraculously cure
cancer, then they should openly condone smoking as the nutcase L. Ron
Hubbard did.
DavidM
You miss the point. I was talking about studies which compare the health
outcomes of people who smoke, from different cultures. So you'd be
comparing 20-cig-per-day mormons with 20-cig-per-day christian scientists
with 20-cig-per-day catholics with 20-cig-per-day atheists and so on.
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Non-smoker for 1 year, 1 month, 2 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 24 minutes and
34 seconds
Cigarettes avoided: 5776, Money saved: $2256.25
Life Saved: 2 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 24 minutes and 56 seconds
Bruce Watson
Eldon <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:52:12 -0800, Eldon wrote:
>> > It's all psychological, don't you see?
>> > Just kidding, of course.
>>
>> Would be an interesting exercise, to crunch the stats on a big samnple
>> and see if there are any statistically significant correlations between
>> *susceptibility to* smoking-related illness and psychological/lifestyle
>> factors such as culture and religion.
>>
>> --
>> Non-smoker for 1 year, 1 month, 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 59 minutes and
>> 57 seconds
>> Cigarettes avoided: 5776, Money saved: $2256.25
>> Life Saved: 2 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 23 minutes and 44 seconds
>
>I don't think there would be any difference. But then, I'm not very
>"faithful." Or maybe you didn't notice that. ;-O
>
>Ron Hubbard, the "Source" founder of Scientology, once said that you
>would be likely to get lung cancer if you QUIT smoking, because
>cigarettes were providing "nicotinic acid" (the original name for the
>vitamin niacin), and thereby protecting against radiation, the true
>cause of cancer.
>
>No shit. It was something that convoluted. Of course, he was a chain
>smoker of unfiltered Kools, so he may have been biased.
Like I've said, junkies defend their drug.
They're convinced it helps them with their work.
>But if you check out your local Scientology center today, you'll see
>quite a few smokers outside. Not that I consider myself a religious
>bigot, but I think Scientology and Christian Science are right down
>there with Hulda Clark when it comes to quackery, and the JWs aren't
>far behind.
I'm with you. I have no use for religion. It's institutionalized
ignorance. It's bad enough for individuals to remain in the dark,
but to make a business out of it is just too much.
Unless you're the founder and raking in the cash.
>And no, this isn't off topic. If they think they can miraculously cure
>cancer, then they should openly condone smoking as the nutcase L. Ron
>Hubbard did.
Then there's Bill W. of AA fame. He was a heavy smoker,
suffered from emphysema and pneumonia. He continued to smoke
while on medical oxygen and died of those diseases. He had
successfully quit drinking but he didn't take the next step.
Eldon
> In article <50c8a976-8bcb-483d-9ab5-736547cb3...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
AA meetings are remarkable for two things: the number of cigarettes
and the amount of coffee consumed. Not that I'm against coffee; I have
a cup every morning. But come to think of it, maybe I should switch to
green tea......
Bruce Watson
>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:16:14 +0000, Bruce Watson wrote:
>
>> In article <4af9f41b$1...@news.orcon.net.nz>, DavidM <nos...@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:52:12 -0800, Eldon wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's all psychological, don't you see? Just kidding, of course.
>>>
>>>Would be an interesting exercise, to crunch the stats on a big samnple
>>>and see if there are any statistically significant correlations between
>>>*susceptibility to* smoking-related illness and psychological/lifestyle
>>>factors such as culture and religion.
>>
>> It's been researched. Seventh Day Adventists have excellent health. Many
>> are vegetarians and nearly none smoke. LDS (Mormons) don't have good
>> dietary habits, but they don't smoke either. Both have low rates of
>> illnesses caused by smoking.
>
>You miss the point. I was talking about studies which compare the health
>outcomes of people who smoke, from different cultures. So you'd be
>comparing 20-cig-per-day mormons with 20-cig-per-day christian scientists
>with 20-cig-per-day catholics with 20-cig-per-day atheists and so on.
Oh, Ok, I get it. Yeah, that would be interesting.
There are differences in populations that have differences in
diet and other lifestyle factors, like the Japanese. They get less of
some kinds of cancer. But with similar cultures and diets, I'll bet
there's no difference.
Bruce Watson
Eldon <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> In article <50c8a976-8bcb-483d-9ab5-736547cb3...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>>
I pass by the local Scientology offices but I don't see smokers outside.
However, when I used to drive by the downtown AA meeting place, the stoop
was always filled with smokers (This at a time when it was just polite
to smoke outdoors and not state law. Maybe it was the building rule.)
Alan Carr said nicotine leaves an empty feeling which the smoker
tries to fill with something else--food, alcohol, caffeine, other drugs.
Medicos have tried to do a number on caffeine for a long time and
have come up empty. I try to avoid it. I don't drink coffee but
I'll have some green tea and hot chocolate. No colas.
Green tea is supposed to do all kinds of good things but I'm
sceptical. But it probably doesn't do any harm. It's good with sushi.
Eldon
> In article <ff9d566b-23b3-41b1-ac82-aabbadaee...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Try some St. John's Wort (hypericum) tea and see what it does.Then
report back to me. I think it's pretty good, but maybe that's just the
placebo effect, you know? Also, emphasize salmon and mackerel in your
sushi. They contain more Omega-3 than tuna.
Sue
wrote:
Didn't someone here post some evidence of lawsuits involving you and
Scientologists or some other religious group?
Sue
Sue
wrote:
>It's all psychological, don't you see?
>
>Just kidding, of course.
Val Kilmer is a Christian Scientist who smokes. Or at least he used
to be. Despite the CS's objections to his unhealthy life choice they
appointed him 2nd reader in the Santa Fe church. Might have had
something to do with the organ he donated. I went to a service there
(my brother is a member) and sat there listening to him read
scripture. It was a surreal experience.
Sue
DutchVanAfoort
"Eldon" <> schreef in bericht ...
>
>I see. So why don't you rilly, truly BELIEVE you can smoke just one
>cigarette once in awhile and do that?
>
>Just kidding, of course. But that's the logical extension of what you
>just said.
>
"Eldon" <> schreef in bericht ...
Bruce Watson
Eldon <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Try some St. John's Wort (hypericum) tea and see what it does.Then
>report back to me. I think it's pretty good, but maybe that's just the
>placebo effect, you know?
It's supposed to be good for depression. But studies don't
bear that out. But I don't suffer from depression.
No supplements. Just a good, well-rounded, low-salt, low-fat diet.
>Also, emphasize salmon and mackerel in your
>sushi. They contain more Omega-3 than tuna.
Omega-3 is a good thing. Heart disease doesn't run in my family
but I watch my blood pressure and cholesterol anyway.
None
Christian Scientists are not allowed to smoke (or drink for that
matter)
msmomo2u
WTF?
Sue
Eldon
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:43:25 -0800 (PST), None <bonbu...@joimail.com>
Some of them break down and seek medical care too, which is a hopeful
sign. But too many don't and occasionally kill their children.
Eldon
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:22:05 -0800 (PST), Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
Something like that. Here's a recent development that might interest
you, or maybe not.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34810
FlatIronMike
> Val Kilmer is a Christian Scientist who smokes. Or at least he used
> to be. Despite the CS's objections to his unhealthy life choice they
> appointed him 2nd reader in the Santa Fe church. Might have had
> something to do with the organ he donated. I went to a service there
> (my brother is a member) and sat there listening to him read
> scripture. It was a surreal experience.
> Sue
And, Sue, which Organ did he give up? I do know some people in need
of a brain transplant...
FlatironMike
Dr. Killdare
Two years, nine months, one day, 15 hours, 7 minutes and 37 seconds.
20112 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,033.78. Life saved: 9 weeks, 6
days, 20 hours, 0 minutes.
kestrel
L. Ron Hubbard was always a fraud and wasn't even a very good science-
fiction writer. I first ran across him many years ago when I was
reading a lot of Sci-Fi. Then one day there was a notice in the
newspaper that he was speaking at a meeting in the town where I was
then living (Oakland, CA). So without really finding out what his
lecture would be about, I got a ticket and went. I was extremely
underwhelmed. He wasn't talking about writing or science-fiction at
all. Instead, he droned on and on about the nasty "engrams" that
disturbed peoples' minds and made them ill. I left before he
finished. But years later, I realized that he was talking about the
beginning of Scientology. I have always regarded that, not as a
religion, but as a major scam. And frankly, my dears, I don't give a
damn whether Scientologists smoke or not.
Joyce, going off in a huff,
11 years+ without a smoke or an engram
Eldon
LOL! Too bad you couldn't have videotaped that speech or whatever.
That would have been the early 1950s. Today, this is his legacy, and
you should give a damn if you care about people in general.
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/
Sue
wrote:
>On Nov 12, 4:02�pm, Sue <sebr...@thegrid.net> wrote:
My brother, as I said in another post, is a Christian Scientist come
late to the fold. When he started worrying about his heart he went
straight to a cardiologist but kept it from his wife who is a long
time member of that religion. His doctor called the house to remind
him of an upcoming appt and wife took the call. She wasn't the least
upset (I was there and maybe it was for public show). Told him that
if he felt he needed to see a doctor then he should. He now also goes
to an ophthalmologist to get shots in his eye for macular
degeneration. When my cousin, also a Christian Scientist, broke her
leg she wasted no time getting to a doctor and her Christ Sci mom was
under doctor's care for congestive heart failure. My relatives know
when to abandon their religious principles.
Sue