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MonicaNLuv1

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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This may not be on the subject of step-parenting, but it is regarding my child
and I need some help.

My son is 5 months old and last wednesday he got sick so I made him a Dr's
appointment. His eye was matted over and his nose was runny, etc. I thought
he had a cold or something. Previously he had some chest congestion but
nothing very serious. The Dr. said that he had a bad ear infection and an
infection in his eye so he gave me antibiotics and eye drops. My son started
taking the meds on thursday. He had another appointment on Monday for his
"shots" and the Dr. said that he would be better by Sunday so go ahead and
bring him. Well, I administered the antibiotics as prescribed, but by Sunday
he was still running a very high fever so I called my Dr's answering service.
A nurse called me back and said to keep giving him Tylenol and go to the
appointment so he can re-check his ears. I did that. I should say that
sometimes the Tylenol doesn't break his fever!

When I took him in Monday they sent him to have his chest X-rayed to see if he
had pnemonia, which they said he didn't. So, I asked my Dr. why my son was
running a fever of 102 or over all the time and he said it had to be a viral
infection. This came after the X-rays before even seeing him again. He didn't
prescribe anything else for my baby to take, just sent him home!

My worry is because the antibiotics he has been taking since Thursday has
cleared up his ears and eye, so why isn't clearing up the viral infection? It
makes no sense to me and my Dr. doesn't seem to care. Every 4 hours I have to
give him Tylenol just to keep his fever below 102. At times, it has gotten up
to 102.9! How long am I supposed to let this go on? I'm worrying myself into
a frenzy! This is the first ime my son has ever gotten sick, it's not like he
has always been a "sickly" baby. He eats only half of what he normally does,
his bowel movements aren't regular, he cries and lays around like he feels
miserable, and if I don't give him Tylenol EVERY 4 hours his temperature shoots
up! I feel like I'm harming my son's liver from the Tylenol I'm giving him.
The medication don't seem to be working, so what am I to do?

Listen, I know this is off the subject, but if someone could help me I would
appreciate it! I've heard all too often how Dr's mis-diagnose infants and
there have been fatal consequences. Please help!

MonicaNLuv

april...@my-deja.com

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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Sorry to hear your little one is so miserable. I just wanted to say
that I used to be an LPN and do know from experience that antibiotics
wont do anything for a viral infection. Most times, it's better to just
rest, take lots of fluids, and let it run it's course. Although, if you
are truly worried, or he doesnt get any better soon, I would get a
second opinion. I dont believe the Tylenol is going to hurt him, and
babies do frequently get high fevers, to fight off the infection. Try
giving him lukewarm baths, and dont overdress him. Try to get him to
drink as much as possible(Pedialyte?) and do your best to keep him
comfortable. Good luck, and let us know what happens, okay?

In article <19991102095434...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,


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Vicki Robinson

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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In a previous article, monic...@aol.com (MonicaNLuv1) said:

:
:My worry is because the antibiotics he has been taking since Thursday has


:cleared up his ears and eye, so why isn't clearing up the viral infection? It
:makes no sense to me and my Dr. doesn't seem to care.

I'm not a doctor, but I've nursed two daughters through chronic otitis
media. I sympathize!

He may care, but there isn't anything he can do about a viral
infection. Illness can be caused by either of two agents, a bacterium
or a virus. Antibiotics will kill bacteria (which is why the eye and
ear are better; they are caused by bacterial infection). They are
useless against viruses. In fact, nothing works against viruses
except the body's own immune system and time. That's why a cold takes
a week to go away if you treat it, and seven days if you don't. Colds
are caused by viruses and you just have to be patient.

Have you asked your doctor about using children's ibuprofen for taking
down your baby's fever? Also, remember that babies tolerate higher
fevers than we do, and that a fever is nature's way of making the
environment inhospitable for germs. How do you have your son dressed?
It's important *not* to bundle them up when they have a fever; you
just make it impossible for the body to radiate that heat out. Dress
him lightly, to keep him from getting chilled, but not so that he's
totally insulated.

Keep contacting your doctor for reassurance. It's very scary when
your baby gets sick. But there is no medicine for a viral infection.
Time and fluids and Tylenol work best.

Vicki
--
Does it make any sense to say that I decompensate between
paradigms? Probably not. -Jane Lawrence


Tracey

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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>But there is no medicine for a viral infection.

Thanks for that, Vicki, you just answered something
for me. Our son had pneumonia when he was quite
small (3 or about there) and I was trying to remember
if it were viral or bacterial pneumonia. It was bacterial
because I was given antibiotics and he was declared
non-infectious after 48 hours.

--
Tracey

"All a parent, *any* parent, can do is give
it their best shot, right or wrong. The
actual outcome rests on so many variables,
no single person can assume responsibility,
blame or praise for whatever happens....
We've got to remember not to try to shoulder
the blame for what other people do...."

--Aahz--

Happygrl

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Antibotics are useless on viruses. Hence, there is no cure for the common
cold which is a virus. Viruses are MANY times smaller than bacteria and
have a very hard outer shell. They are VERY different from bacteria and are
like no other "life" forms we know. Our culture is so durg oriented, that
we want a drug to fix everything which is why Drs often prescribe an
antibotic without even being sure if the infection is viral or bacterial.
The human body is adept at fighting most viruses. Your Dr.'s apparent
apathy may actually be powerlessness. Virsus are still mystifying us.
Herpes, Rhino virus, and HIV are still quite a problem. This is my opinion,
I'm an environmental chemist, not a doctor.

MonicaNLuv1

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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Thank you for the advice! It makes perfect sense to me now, but at the time I
guess I freaked out! It may be time to find a new doctor. He never explained
anything. He just said it had to be a viral infection and sent me home! I
never thought about the concept of it being "viral". I guess I'll just give it
some time and do what's recommended. I appreciate the help.

MonicaNLuv

Bryn

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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I know how terrifying it is to have a baby with a high fever. I would
definitely call and ask the nurse if you can give them Motrin at this age.
It lasts a lot longer and seems to help them feel better faster. You just
have to let it run its course. Keep letting him nurse as often as he wants,
and just give him lots and lots of lovin' ( I know you're already doing
that). Good luck, and I hope he feels better soon!

--
P.S. When's his b-day? Korbin's is 6/4/99)

Brynda (Mom of Jaidyn - 3, Korbin - 5mos & Kaitlin - 7 )

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Geri and Brian

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Nov 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/3/99
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I am a peds RN. If your child is running a rectal temp of 102 degrees or
below, do not medicate it - this is a beneficial fever and is actually the
body's own defense mechanism working against the bug. If your child has a
virus, an antibiotic will do nothing for it. Viruses just have to run their
course. The fevers associated with viruses can run two or three days. If the
temp goes above 102, give ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil) - it works better, IMO.
Motrin is dosable for babies, but it is dosed by weight. If he throws up, you
can give Feverall or other acetominephen suppositories for fever, but again,
with babies, these are dosed by weight. If the temperature goes to 104
degrees, you can give your child a sponge bath in tepid water (or if he is old
enough, a shower). Brain damage does not occur until the temperature reaches
106-107R. The really high temperatures are probably bacterial infections - in
which an antibiotic would be appropriate.

Ear thermometers are not accurate on children under five years old. Axillary
temperatures (under the arm) are frequently not accurate, either. Do not dress
the child in too many clothes - a diaper and a light tee-shirt are enough. A
light blanket if he seems to be chilling.

If he is nursing ok, that is great. Make sure he takes plenty of fluids,
otherwise dehydration will contribute to the fever.

That is all I can think of right now.

Geri
(Chip out the iceberg to reply.)
~~~~~~~~~~
"I only talk seriously on the first Tuesday in every month, from 4PM to 7PM."

Geri and Brian

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Nov 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/3/99
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BTW, I don't know where you live, but RSV season is upon us and babies and
toddlers are the most susceptible to having trouble with it. When bigger
people get it, it is just a could. (RSV is Respiratory Syncitial Virus - one
of the many cold viruses.) In very young children who have a bad time with it,
it can be a precursor to reactive airway problems.

A test can be done in the ER or doctor's office that takes an hour or so for
results, involving taking a sample of the child's nasal secretions.

Carl & Renee

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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And there you have it.


Geri, where were you when I needed you!!!! Golly, but I could have used
someone like you when my kidlets were little!

Smiles
R.

Geri and Brian

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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>Geri, where were you when I needed you!!!! Golly, but I could have used
>someone like you when my kidlets were little!

:-) Well, now I am a telephone advice nurse, and they give the peds calls to
me, usually. (Ask me a question about a 90 year old diabetic or something like
that and I am lost.)

I am amazed that it seems they don't teach new moms much in the way of baby
care in the hospital out here in CA. In the Midwest (at least Kansas, Nebraska
and Missouri) they have mandatory two day stays for new moms in the hospitals.
Everywhere I have ever worked or heard of out there, the moms not only have to
know how to take a baby's temp (in the bottom), but bathe, burp, use the bulb
syringe, feeding techniques, etc., but have to be able to demonstrate them.
Out here, some don't even get to stay one day, and they get shoved out the door
before they know anything. (My little rant for the day.)

My company is laying the groundwork for starting some sort of mother-baby
program in the education department, and they are planning to use me as one of
the resource people, so I hope that works out!!!

Geri


~~~~~~~~~~
"I only talk seriously on the first Tuesday in every month, from 4PM to 7PM."

~~~~~~~~~~
To e-mail us, dump the litterbox. :-)

Cindy Martin

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>I am amazed that it seems they don't teach new moms much in the way of baby
>care in the hospital out here in CA. In the Midwest (at least Kansas,
Nebraska
>and Missouri) they have mandatory two day stays for new moms in the
hospitals.
>Everywhere I have ever worked or heard of out there, the moms not only have
to
>know how to take a baby's temp (in the bottom), but bathe, burp, use the
bulb
>syringe, feeding techniques, etc., but have to be able to demonstrate them.
>Out here, some don't even get to stay one day, and they get shoved out the
door
>before they know anything. (My little rant for the day.)
>
Not any more. When Tori was born (two years ago), all I did was have to
know how to give her a bottle. They told me not to bathe her until the
umbilical cord came off (wiping her off with a wash cloth was okay).
She was born Friday night at 9 pm, we were going home at noon on Sunday.


Cindy

Sian Lee Reid

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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In article <19991105020324...@ng-fl1.aol.com>,

gple...@aol.comlitter (Geri and Brian) wrote:

> I am amazed that it seems they don't teach new moms much in the way of baby
> care in the hospital out here in CA. In the Midwest (at least Kansas,
Nebraska
> and Missouri) they have mandatory two day stays for new moms in the
hospitals.
> Everywhere I have ever worked or heard of out there, the moms not only have to
> know how to take a baby's temp (in the bottom), but bathe, burp, use the bulb
> syringe, feeding techniques, etc., but have to be able to demonstrate them.

Gee Geri, I was home from the hospital with my 11 pound baby nine hours
after she was born. It would have been sooner, but they thought she was a
good size to use in the bath demo.

Although I was a first time mom, SO was a third time Dad, so he already
knew most of the basics (and I had the local La Leche League to help me
with the breastfeeding). What I resented was that no one gave me any
information at all, as I checked out, on how to manage the pain and
swelling. I would have thought there would at least be a leaflet or
something!

Sian

ELD

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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Abby was born at noon on a thursday, and we went home early friday
morning.
I had to give her a bath in the hospital with the nurse, and I had to be
able to feed her somehow, whether it was nursing or a bottle. They
didn't really follow up on it, and I had a bunch of questions within
about a week, waited for the public health nurse to come along as
everyone said she would, and she never did. I figured it out on my own
- with SO's help - and began resenting the way they could have cared
less about me in post-natal.

Cindy Martin wrote:
>
> >I am amazed that it seems they don't teach new moms much in the way of baby
> >care in the hospital out here in CA. In the Midwest (at least Kansas,
> Nebraska
> >and Missouri) they have mandatory two day stays for new moms in the
> hospitals.
> >Everywhere I have ever worked or heard of out there, the moms not only have
> to
> >know how to take a baby's temp (in the bottom), but bathe, burp, use the
> bulb
> >syringe, feeding techniques, etc., but have to be able to demonstrate them.

Geri and Brian

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>What I resented was that no one gave me any
>information at all, as I checked out, on how to manage the pain and
>swelling. I would have thought there would at least be a leaflet or
>something!

I am finding all of your stories just horrifying! I have tons of materials
about those things, so they are certainly available. (I have these little
breastfeeding booklets in my deskdrawer that are designed for distribution to
patients. Sigh.)

Well, I certainly don't think it is the patients' fault that they are not being
taught baby care/post-partum self care - I do a lot of teaching over the phone.
But, I think these hospitals are falling down on their responsibilities.
Anyone who has an experience like this should fill out a questionnaire at the
end of their stay and make the suggestions or complain!

Geri and Brian

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>Not any more. When Tori was born (two years ago), all I did was have to
>know how to give her a bottle. They told me not to bathe her until the
>umbilical cord came off (wiping her off with a wash cloth was okay).
>She was born Friday night at 9 pm, we were going home at noon on Sunday.

Cindy, you may have had Tori before they changed the legislation about the two
day stays. But actually, before that point, if you had Tori on Friday night,
the hospital would have kicked you out by Saturday night. On Sunday, would
you have been ABLE to stay until the evening? (We did let people leave early
on the second day, if they wanted to, and had gone through all the teaching
already.)

Also, the teaching part may have just been hospital policies in the cities or
hospitals I worked in - I forget which part of MO you live in - though my
sister, who is also an RN was not allowed to leave her hospital in Omaha until
she demonstrated all of the things I mentioned, even though she was an RN, and
had another child.

Tracey

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In article <19991105020324...@ng-fl1.aol.com>,

gple...@aol.comlitter (Geri and Brian) writes:

>My company is laying the groundwork for starting some sort of mother-baby
>program in the education department, and they are planning to use me as one
>of
>the resource people, so I hope that works out!!!
>

I didn't get a whole lot of education in the CA hospital where I had
our daughter (but, then again, I already had had one child before
so that might have been the reason why.) The hospital where I
delivered sent a nurse out a week or so after she was born for a
follow-up visit, to weigh her and measure her and check her out
and see if I had any questions or problems. I thought that was
nice of them.

Jennaii

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Nov 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/6/99
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My brother's twins were born in October, 1998 in Wichita Kansas, (her second
and third children, brothers 1st and 2nd). Mom and kids were in for a couple
of days. The last night my BROTHER got/had to stay the night too... to show
that they were able to take care of both twins through the night on their own .
They had it easy though... once they got home one grandma was there for a
week... then the other grandma.. then my sister... then me...

>
>I didn't get a whole lot of education in the CA hospital where I had
>our daughter (but, then again, I already had had one child before
>so that might have been the reason why.)


"This time: gonna do it RIGHT!" -- Bob Seger
Jennaii

jane lawrence

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Nov 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/8/99
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Geri and Brian wrote:
>
> Everywhere I have ever worked or heard of out there, the moms not only have to

> know how to take a baby's temp (in the bottom), but bathe, burp, use the bulb
> syringe, feeding techniques, etc., but have to be able to demonstrate them.

I've never heard of anything like this. How is it enforced? Is
it just for mothers? All they showed me in the hospital was how
to wrap a baby blanket.

jane

Geri and Brian

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>I've never heard of anything like this. How is it enforced? Is
>it just for mothers? All they showed me in the hospital was how
>to wrap a baby blanket.
>

They don't discharge the patients until it is done. If the patients leave
without being discharged, it is charted as AMA, I believe.

Kallynn1

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>I've never heard of anything like this. How is it enforced? Is
>it just for mothers? All they showed me in the hospital was how
>to wrap a baby blanket.
>
>jane

I had to prove that I knew CPR before I took my girls home from the hospital
(apnea and bradycardia and premature). I had to show them my CPR card and they
wouldn't let me take the girls either until I showed them my car seats.....May
have been a special case though since they were a couple months premature....I
didn't mind either. They showed me how to bathe them, feed them, etc......they
even sent a nurse out to my house for a couple of months to help me out and
check on the girls. It wasn't my age because I was 22 yo. Now that I think of
it, it was probably because they were only 3 pounds........I got to bring them
home when they were almost 4 lbs.....

Kallynn-who was greatful for the advice and help she got from the hospital.....

Geri and Brian

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Nov 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/10/99
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>hey
>wouldn't let me take the girls either until I showed them my car seats..

The hospitals I have worked at that worked with discharging babies/moms, we had
to chart that we physically saw the baby secure in the car seat with the car
seat properly placed in the car, before they left.

Kallynn1

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>The hospitals I have worked at that worked with discharging babies/moms, we
>had
>to chart that we physically saw the baby secure in the car seat with the car
>seat properly placed in the car, before they left.
>
>Geri

Well I personally think that a great idea. Lately though I have seen alot of
unrestrained toddlers in cars. Can you imagine? I have a mini van and make
all of my kids buckle up.

Kallynn

Geri and Brian

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>Well I personally think that a great idea. Lately though I have seen alot of
>unrestrained toddlers in cars. Can you imagine? I have a mini van and make
>all of my kids buckle up.

I'll tell you what is driving me absolutely BATS out here in CA is huges
bunches of parents who not only do not know how to properly take temperatures,
they don't have thermometers IN THE HOUSE!!! (Even for themselves!) AAAACCKK!!

jane lawrence

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Geri and Brian wrote:
>
>
> I'll tell you what is driving me absolutely BATS out here in CA is huges
> bunches of parents who not only do not know how to properly take temperatures,
> they don't have thermometers IN THE HOUSE!!! (Even for themselves!) AAAACCKK!!

We don't have them. I kiss people on the forehead to see if
they have a fever. I'm not too finely calibrated, but I can
distinguish between Fine, Back To Bed, and Emergency Room.

jane

Kallynn1

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>hey don't have thermometers IN THE HOUSE!!! (Even for themselves!)
>AAAACCKK!!
>
>Geri

They must not have had baby showers...hehehe..

Kallynn-who got about 5 or 6 of them at her shower.....................

Anne Robotti

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Jane, I'm really glad you said that. I know *about* what the
ranges are, and I'm constantly making up numbers for the doctor's
office. They *won't* believe me that the kids have a fever if
I don't have a concrete number, so I'm always going, "101.7, 99.3"
and such. :D

Sharyn & Karl

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Nov 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/11/99
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I never had a thermometer until this summer. Trav got sick on me and I
couldn't do my redition (sp) of what Jane does, so I bought one of those
digital ones, and haven't used it since.
Sharyn


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Geri and Brian

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I am thankful I don't have any of you for patients (no offense intended) for
the thermometer reason ... I would have to kill you.

Kevin

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Nov 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/12/99
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In article <19991111222214...@ng-ff1.aol.com>, Geri and Brian
says...

> I am thankful I don't have any of you for patients (no offense intended) for
> the thermometer reason ... I would have to kill you.
>
Hahahahahahahahaha

What a great thing to to read first thing in the morning

Kevin
--
Be nice to me. I might be your Secret Snowflake.

Kallynn1

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>We don't have them. I kiss people on the forehead to see if
>they have a fever. I'm not too finely calibrated, but I can
>distinguish between Fine, Back To Bed, and Emergency Room.
>
>jane

My husband does that and is always accurate. Me on the other hand, I am always
warm ,or freezing so I can never guess accurately (or even remotely close).

Kallynn

HR

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The office people never believe me about any temps I give them, and I do use
the thermometer. My kids could never possibly be sick, because they are too
well behaved. Sick kids fuss don't you know.

Heather

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Sharyn & Karl

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Well Geri, on a good note, you would *never* have *me* for a patient anyway.
I am so near dead when I do decide to go to a doctor, that it doesn't
matter. I hate going to the doctor and most times I suffer it out, or try
every home remedy known to man. I guess it all goes back to when my mom
died. She went to the doctor for the first time, other than a pregnancy or
to give birth, and in a week she was dead. The doctor told her to go home
and prop her leg up, and she would be fine in a week or so. Get the pressure
off her leg. She had a blood clot in her leg, that went to her lungs
collapsed them and they coudn't bring her back. From the time she first
complained of not being able to breathe until her dead, was a little over an
hour. So I have little faith if any in doctors, for that reason.
Sharyn


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> I am thankful I don't have any of you for patients (no offense intended)
for
> the thermometer reason ... I would have to kill you.
>

Vicki Robinson

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In a previous article, "Sharyn & Karl" <Kittens...@email.msn.com> said:

:hour. So I have little faith if any in doctors, for that reason.

It was a doctor who operated on my husband to discover that his
abdominal discomfort was appendicitis which had already developed into
peritonitis and gangrene. He would have died. I didn't lose my
husband 5 months after we were married because of that doctor.

It was a doctor who noticed that my sister's blood vessels were more
prominent on the left side of her neck than her right. Upon
investigating, it was discovered that she was in the earliest stages
of lung cancer. She'll live to see her grandchildren because of that
doctor.

It is a doctor who is treating my daughter for scoliosis. Because of
him, she won't end up a twisted hunchback with serious and chronic
health problems and pain, but will have a normal life, including
bearing children should she see fit to do so.

It was a doctor who worked with my then-husband and me to treat our
infertility. I owe my two children to her.

And that's just my family.

I hate to see a profession so unfairly maligned because of one tragic
incident. It *was* tragic, there is no question about that, and
your anger at that doctor and the pain you felt is certainly
justified. But to extend that anger to all doctors and to ignore the
very good work that most of them do just doesn't make sense.

Vicki
--
Does it make any sense to say that I decompensate between
paradigms? Probably not. -Jane Lawrence


Karla

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Sharyn & Karl wrote:
>
> Well Geri, on a good note, you would *never* have *me* for a patient anyway.
> I am so near dead when I do decide to go to a doctor, that it doesn't
> matter. I hate going to the doctor and most times I suffer it out, or try
> every home remedy known to man. I guess it all goes back to when my mom
> died. She went to the doctor for the first time, other than a pregnancy or
> to give birth, and in a week she was dead. The doctor told her to go home
> and prop her leg up, and she would be fine in a week or so. Get the pressure
> off her leg. She had a blood clot in her leg, that went to her lungs
> collapsed them and they coudn't bring her back. From the time she first
> complained of not being able to breathe until her dead, was a little over an
> hour. So I have little faith if any in doctors, for that reason.
> Sharyn


Sharyn,

what happened to you was truly a tragedy...to loose someone you love
that quickly is painful no matter how it happens. Your anger is
justifiable; however, the first questions I would have been asking would
be: did she tell him everything? did he listen? did she question his
advice or misinterpret it? did he ask important questions?

Doctors are people. There are good ones and bad ones. I have had to
deal with both through out my life. I have a son with a long-term
managable kidney disease called Nephrotic Syndrome. I have questioned,
challenged and otherwise forced good medical care for my son. I have
also been quite fortunate in that I have found good doctors that
challenge me, question me, answer my questions and take good care of my
kids. I feel it's a two-way street. I told one nephrologist where to
get off when he tried to tell me I could not read my son's medical
record when my baby was hospitalized. (Actually I asked if he would
prefer me to read with or without my lawyer present.)

When they did the biopsy on my son, I asked them not to put him under.
Rather than write me off as a hysterical mother, the doctor performing
the procedure acknowledged my fear about anesthia, explained the process
thoroughly and what would happen if they didn't knock him out in terms
of what he would or wouldn't feel, pain, squirming, etc.

It's one thing to deify a doctor, it's another to trust them. I agree
with non-diefication of medical staff because they are human. I do;
however, trust them with mine and my children's lives.

karla

Kevin

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Ouch Sharyn.

I've also had unfortunate experiences with doctors, and for a period
thought I would never again go to one... In the meantime I've slowly
found an entirely different health-care system that works for me.

These days I do go when I need a medical diagnosis (once in the last ten
years), as I can acknowledge the value of the medical profession in
treatments that require direct intervention. I do have a couple of non-
medical health care professionals I can phone - one of whom went three
quarters of the way through a medical degree before he chucked it in as
an illogical system.

Kevin

In article <e6j6KR4L$GA.335@cpmsnbbsa02>, Sharyn & Karl says...


> Well Geri, on a good note, you would *never* have *me* for a patient anyway.
> I am so near dead when I do decide to go to a doctor, that it doesn't
> matter. I hate going to the doctor and most times I suffer it out, or try
> every home remedy known to man. I guess it all goes back to when my mom
> died. She went to the doctor for the first time, other than a pregnancy or
> to give birth, and in a week she was dead. The doctor told her to go home
> and prop her leg up, and she would be fine in a week or so. Get the pressure
> off her leg. She had a blood clot in her leg, that went to her lungs
> collapsed them and they coudn't bring her back. From the time she first
> complained of not being able to breathe until her dead, was a little over an
> hour. So I have little faith if any in doctors, for that reason.
> Sharyn
>
>

> Geri and Brian <gple...@aol.comlitter> wrote in message
> news:19991111222214...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
> > I am thankful I don't have any of you for patients (no offense intended)
> for
> > the thermometer reason ... I would have to kill you.
> >
> > Geri
> > ~~~~~~~~~~
> > "I only talk seriously on the first Tuesday in every month, from 4PM to
> 7PM."
> > ~~~~~~~~~~
> > To e-mail us, dump the litterbox. :-)
>
>
>

--

Anne Haas

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Nov 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/16/99
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>Doctors are people. There are good ones and bad ones.
<snip>

>It's one thing to deify a doctor, it's another to trust them.

I once read a book written by an M.D. who stated that the M.D. does not stand
for medical deity.

Anne H.
(the other Anne)
Life is a glorious joke. Enjoy the laugh. ("Not one shred of evidence exists
in favor of the idea that life is serious.")

Geri and Brian

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>I once read a book written by an M.D. who stated that the M.D. does not stand
>for medical deity.

LOL - That's the truth! :-)

Vicki Robinson

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Nov 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/16/99
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In a previous article, asta...@aol.comnospam (Anne Haas) said:

:>Doctors are people. There are good ones and bad ones.


:<snip>
:>It's one thing to deify a doctor, it's another to trust them.

:
:I once read a book written by an M.D. who stated that the M.D. does not stand
:for medical deity.
:

And that's the entire thing in a nutshell. Medicine is not an exact
science. A disease may manifest itself in different ways in different
people. It's not a case of listing the symptoms, looking them up and
making a diagnosis, then prescribing the one and only cure. (A lawyer
once described medicine to me this way, to justify his medical
malpractice practice.) Doctors are dealing with a great deal of
information and they *will* make mistakes. It's 100% inevitable.
Mistakes do not constitute negligence; even the most caring,
conscientious doctor will make them.

Patients have to work with their doctors, educating themselves to be
intelligent partners in maintaining their own health. Doctors aren't
gods, and we can't expect that they'll be able to do godlike things.
But most of them are pretty good at what they do. And thank heaven
for that.

Louise Taylor

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Anne Haas <asta...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>>Doctors are people. There are good ones and bad ones.
> <snip>
>>It's one thing to deify a doctor, it's another to trust them.

> I once read a book written by an M.D. who stated that the M.D. does not stand
> for medical deity.

I like to remember what they call a doctor's job, medical practice. They
are still just practicing. Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they
get it wrong. Here's hoping that everyone has a doctor who practices
right on them most of the time. :-)

I have also found that doctors have a very hard time dealing with chronic
illnesses. They like to heal people, to fix what is broken. Since
chronic illnesses can't be fixed with a bandage, prescrption or otherwise,
my doctors tend to get overwhelmed by my illnesses. The one thing they
thought they could fix, they couldn't so here we are.

Louise

Sharyn & Karl

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Nov 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/16/99
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I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just don't go to doctors. And thats that.
When I first started having problems with my seizures, yes I went. I
regretted it because once it was all over, I am still doing what I was
before I went. They can't find a medication to control them. I seem to have
them under control and have since I quit going to the doctor. But for the
record, when I was pregnat, most of you who remember me from before know
those stories, I went faithfully to every appt and followed their advice
religiously. I never put the baby in harm by not following their advise. Of
course, I never carried either child to term but I did do what I was told to
do.
And Kevin can you tell me more about what you were talking about. You can do
it in private email if you wish.
Thanks and once again I am sorry if I offended anyone. I didn't mean to. And
I do believe there are good doctors out there. Just not where I am or was.
Sharyn


Kevin <kkwo...@breathe.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.129b2ee26...@news.cwcom.net...

> > > Geri
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > "I only talk seriously on the first Tuesday in every month, from 4PM
to
> > 7PM."
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > To e-mail us, dump the litterbox. :-)
> >
> >
> >
>

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