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sd can't help it, but........
anyway, sd has her first band concert this coming sunday. she has been so
thrilled and we have been so thrilled for her. she has come a long way from
that little malnourished, half-blind six year old with lice that came to us
six years ago. anyway, the bm is going to make an appearance. i am
positive she (and her mother for God's sake) will be there because she has
to return that kids from her weekend visitation. anyway, sd was on the
phone saying to her friends, "oh, i can introduce you to my mother." and
going on and on and on about how she can introduce everyone to her mother.
i know, i know........she is her mother, but come on, you all know what i
mean!
so, now i get to drag all five kids by myself down to the band hall on
sunday afternoon. of course, she will be there and be all frickin' mother
of the year (or should i say mother of the weekend). i will probably be
sweating up a storm. oh, yeah, and it's supposed to rain and i'll be
leaking breast milk all over myself and there she'll be with sd. it's times
like this that i want to give up. maybe i have in essence. oh, well. i
guess my complaints are minimal (and rare thank heavens) compared to most,
but, ugh, ugh, ugh.
kitley
Melissa Torresan
I was out in my backyard after reading this, and I thought I would
share what I was thinking.. First thought was "Keep your head up high"
and the second thing was a song, set to Old Mcdonald Had a Farm..
I am so much better than this woman.. doo dah.. doo dah..
i am so much better its not funny.. oh doo dah day..
I am so much nicer than this woman.. doo dah.. doo dah..
I am so much nicer it's not funny.. oh doo dah day..
Stupid, huh? But still, if it does pop into your head, you'll be able
to keep a smile on your face, I hope.. :) You could add other verses..
Mel
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with her. or should i say the emotions associated with her. it's not like
anyone is going to make a true scene. i'm just kind of on the edge these
days anyway. that is a really cute idea and it did make me smile. again,
lots of thanks.
glad you are feeling better.
kitley
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Anne Haas
understand (know?) who is the "real" mom figure in her life, if she doesn't
already.
Who cares if you are leaking milk? You are a mother. You are providing the
best kind of nourishment for your youngest. Doctors are beginning to know what
we've known all along, if it is at all possible for a woman to breast feed, the
longer she can do so, the better for the child. If someone doesn't understand
that, to hell with them.
Just remember, you are the MOM, not just to your SD but to your four other
kids. You are doing a wonderful job. And, you are doing it while working!!!
You are amazing. You remind me of that song by Helen Reddy "I am woman." You
are a strong woman and I'm sure you will handle yourself with grace and aplomb
on Sunday.
Anne H.
"To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might
be the world."
Someone
day? Other than that, don't sweat the bm thing. At SD's grade 8
graduation her mom and aunt and grandfather came down. SO and I were
there. We were cordial enough, but we pretty much avoided each other.
SD was introducing everyone to BM, etc. etc. But in the end, I'm the one
they think is cool. I'm the one who's actually there for more than just
performances or special occasions. And, when BM offered to drive SD to her
dance, she still wanted to go with me and SO.
Probably the best thing to do is avoid her like the plague.
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i know this isn't so horrible, but i hate to have it in front of me and i am
just really tired.
thank you,
kitley
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know they'd like to go, but i just don't think i can do it. i intend on
avoiding her altogether. however, when she did come to the one thing of
ss's last year, she did manage to come sit right by me. can you imagine???
thanks for talking me down.
kitley
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Races'?
>and the second thing was a song, set to Old Mcdonald Had a Farm..
>I am so much better than this woman.. doo dah.. doo dah..
>i am so much better its not funny.. oh doo dah day..
>I am so much nicer than this woman.. doo dah.. doo dah..
>I am so much nicer it's not funny.. oh doo dah day..
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In dog years.....I'd be dead.
tkwalker
Anne Haas <asta...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> Doctors are beginning to know what
> we've known all along, if it is at all possible for a woman to breast
feed, the
> longer she can do so, the better for the child.
BM breast fed my SS so long (until he was almost 3 years old!) that his
teeth rotted out of his head. The doctor even wrote her a letter "Strongly
URGING" her to discontinue breast feeding, but she said she didn't want her
boobs to shrink. So now SS is five and has only one tooth in the front and
some of the others are silver capped.
Breast milk is extremely potent and childrens teeth need to be watched
carefully for signs of "Bottle Rot".
Good news is that he brushes like a monster now, and his last checkup he had
NOOOO cavaties! Yay!
I told SS about the "Cavatie Cooties" that like to live in dirty mouths.
They live in teeth the way that we live in a condo, and they eat your teeth
for food. I told him that the toothbrush is his only weapon to destroy the
"Cavatie Cooties" and he has to make sure to get them all.
One night he started yelling for me "MOM MOM MOOOOM!!! " I raced upstairs
and he was staring at the sink and said , "Look! Look at all da cavadeee
coodies! Dare duh-wowning in da buhbulz!" He was so proud! So now he
brushes like a Power Ranger destroying the Battle Star (or something like
that).
Kina
*****
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent"
Anne Robotti
but *all* my friends are still breastfeeding their almost-three
year olds and not one has had his/her teeth "rot out of their heads!"
Where in the world did you get that info on breastmilk? :D I'd
change pediatricians if SS's seriously considered the breastmilk
as the reason his teeth were rotting. Any child with good dental
hygeine can breastfeed ... well, forever, just like they can drink
other liquids! My guess is, he never ever brushed his teeth and
didn't breastfeed *enough* to supplement his diet and keep him
healthy.
Anne
Anne Robotti
children freaks her out and this is her way of trying to get some
control back. My rule with BM is, if it doesn't come in writing from
the court, I ignore it and assume it's coming out of her control needs
and not anything I'm doing or not doing.
My new mantra is, "I'm not going to ever be good enough for this person,
but since I don't care, what difference does it make?"
Anne
Karla wrote:
>
> The reality is, we have custody not because of the two parent family but
> because we have a structured, stable environment that SS needs. But
> she'll never believe that. *sigh*
>
> karla
Anne Robotti
>
> well, since the breast nazi chimed in............
Oh bite me. God, you ARE in a shitty mood today! :D
> i breastfeed bio-son until he was two. my children have beautiful teeth.
> i've never seen anything where breastmilk was dangerous in anyway to a
> child. but you must start brushing their teeth from their first tooth. lll
> even recommends wiping their gums down with a warm, damp cloth. i hope this
> doesn't get ugly.
Uglier than what? Uglier than breasts drooping down to your knees?! Don't
tell me from ugly!
I wasn't trying to get ugly, I was pointing out that the reason a kid's
teeth are rotting has to do with poor dental hygeine. To blame it on
the breastmilk (which is something they can't do anything about) and not
on poor brushing habits (which they can and did do something about) misses
the whole nexus of the problem! Wouldn't you *want* me to point that out?
And the fact that the pediatrician backed up that ridiculousness to the point
of writing a letter to the mother demanding that she stop breastfeeding...
if *I* was that Mom, I'd have reported him to the AMA! That's not a person
I'd want caring for my child, because he's obviously not keeping up on
the latest studies OR the latest AMA recommendations about breastfeeding. So
he's probably not keeping up with everything else either.
Jeez, I'm just going to start smiling and nodding until you all get off
the rag.
Anne
Nikki Murphy
Disclaimer 2: I have no idea whether SS was breastfed or not although I doubt it.
Real topic of conversation:
I'm interested in the whole breastfeeding debate as I plan to give it a go when I
have kids. Although I'm also planning not to beat myself up about it if it
doesn't happen or doesn't work for me.
Would you want to breast feed your kids that long? Three seems excessive to me. I
know all of the stuff about why breast milk is good (yes apart from it being
free!) and it's the 'best start in life' and all that stuff, but seriously, is
breastfeeding for that long right? It just makes me feel really strange to think
of people doing it with three year old kids. I'd like to do it until a child is
well weaned at 1 or so, but past that? I know it can be a comfort thing (but hey
they've all got to go eventually) I know it's good as in healthy (but so is a
good diet) and I know it's a good bonding time and all that, but it just seems to
be edging into the 'unnatural' side whenit goes on too long!
Third Dislaimer: I don't want to push any buttons but am really interested to
know!
Nikki
Anne Robotti wrote:
Anne Robotti
a matter of fact, most of the friends I was talking about are exploring
weaning options with their children now. And before I had actually done
it?! FORGET it! Nothing would have made me believe that it was okay to
breastfeed a child that long.
What happens is... you start doing it. And then, you develop the breast-
feeding relationship and (mostly) it's nice. And then for a lot of us,
the child is six months. Then a year. Then fifteen months old... and
there doesn't really seem to be a reason to stop. Now, sometimes kids
wean themselves when they teethe, or go on nursing strikes (as Charlie
did.) My supply was always a battle, and when he started getting teeth
at four months and stopped feeding for several days, I was facing the
tough job of building my supply back up and I stopped. I already felt
like a big-time breastfeeding success because I only did it with Brooke
for three weeks, so four months was a big deal for me. BUT... there are
some kids who really actively resist weaning, there are some mothers who
don't believe in mother-led weaning, there are (of course) some people
who are always going to let their child call the shots no matter what.
But I just mean that a lot of the time, people who are still doing it
after three years didn't go into it saying, "Gee, let's see what it's
like to breastfeed a three year old." They just did it one day to the
next, and extended a mutually satisfying thing rather than stop it for
reasons that didnt' seem particularly valid to them. Like some people
stop because "other people" think it's gross to be breastfeeding a child
of <xyz age> and I think that's a shame. There are all kinds of reasons
for weaning. Pregnancy is a big one. I never could nurse when I was
pregnant, and some people don't like the idea of tandem nursing. Or the
mother sometimes just wants her body back! Convenience, going back to
work... people stop for all kinds of reasons. And then there are people
that have no reason and just keep going.
Anne
Nikki Murphy
Yes I get everything you're saying below - but I guess it's up to the parent to decide
when is a good time to stop and go with it. A parent takes responsibility for toilet
training, getting rid of 'blankie', getting rid of pacifiers, teaching the child to
dress etc - and so breastfeeding has to be part of that right? It's just one of those
things I haven't quite got my head around. I suppose I also don't get why a mother
*wouldn't* want her body back asap!
I'm sure it's nice and everything but I have a hard time digesting why a mother would
continue for so long. Just feels wrong I guess. But then I also accept that I have
everything to learn!
Nikki
Merrie
correct blanket answer to your questions.
I can share with you my experience though. I breastfeed all three kids
until they started walking. At that point in time, breastfeeding was less
interesting to them. They sort of naturally moved away from it. All three
were walking before a year. I do believe there are health benefits for your
baby. I don't know how those are effected by how long you breastfeed a
child.
Merrie
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Anne Robotti
it. Really, I think what it boils down to is that a parent doesn't really get
to choose the time for any of that stuff! :D I mean, you can if you really
really want to. But (I think) it's never a good idea to force a developmental
milestone on a child. That's me, that's my personal parenting style.
Now, as you say, some mothers want their bodies back. And that is perfectly
valid. It doesn't make them bad mothers if they stop breastfeeding at that
point, and really I think some of them do a disservice to their relationship
with the child if they keep it up but resent it. And the health benefits of
breastfeeding start with just the first three days, so if that's all you ever
do then that's a great thing you've done for your baby. It's not supposed to
be a big, high-pressure thing. It's supposed to be a natural and wonderful thing
that happens between the two of you, where you give your child the health
benefits of breastfeeding and the two of you have a very special part of your
relationship together.
I think that the part you haven't quite got your head around... don't take this
the wrong way... might be soemthing that you can't quite *get* your head around
if you haven't ever done it. Feeding a baby from your body is a rush. I wouldn't
have thought it would be, but it was. I enjoyed it, so we kept it up as long as
we could. If I hadn't, we would have stopped. And I know there are a million
people who will tell you that's wrong (the TRUE breast-nazis) :D but I think
that it's sort of like a marriage. Both people have to be happy, not just one.
It's not something you do *for* somebody else, it's something you do *with* them.
Anne
Nikki Murphy
been used for (well that and 'cushions' for SS !! lol). Duh! Like they're just a sexual
organ!!
I'm sure I will feel different about it later on. But the way I see it is like: there is a
time when you don't want your kids to see you on the toilet anymore because it's too
personal. there's a time when you'd rather undress with them not around (anyone with 10 yr
old boys will appreciate this one). So i guess i feel that breasts do have this bizarre
maternal/sexual line in them that must be drawn at some point? Like I said though I dunno
Nikki
Anne Robotti wrote:
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the breast nazi as you made the referrence in that "pc police" thread.
defensive, anne???? i'll send the half bottle of wine i have left over to
you!!! i was completely agreeing with you,anne. :P
as far as droopy boobs.......i will never forget the "nursing a child in
the back seat of the van while you are driving...." remark you made!!!
i have a good memory!
kitley
Anne Robotti <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Sian Lee Reid
<rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Nikki, personally, I felt/sometimes feel exactly the same way. As
> a matter of fact, most of the friends I was talking about are exploring
> weaning options with their children now. And before I had actually done
> it?! FORGET it! Nothing would have made me believe that it was okay to
> breastfeed a child that long.
>
> What happens is... you start doing it. And then, you develop the breast-
> feeding relationship and (mostly) it's nice. And then for a lot of us,
> the child is six months. Then a year. Then fifteen months old... and
> there doesn't really seem to be a reason to stop.
I missed the whole beginning of this thread, for some reason, but I'll
chime in now and say that what Anne describes is certainly what happened
with me.
Emily was finally weaned to coincide with her fourth birthday. She had
already been in school half days for a year, and daycare half days for two
more. If you had told me I'd be nursing for FOUR years (two and a half of
them on demand) I would have laughed at you.
I nursed because I was lazy and cheap (in addition to the documented
benefits!). Formula is expensive and fussy to prepare, and I didn't see
any reason to do it. I kept nursing for convenience, and because my kid
didn't think much of food. At least I knew she wouldn't starve as long as
she was nursing!
Between ages three and four, we were pretty much down to first thing in
the morning, and before bed. When I substituted story time at night,
nursing just sort of stopped.
I took a lot of flak from my family, but I'm still glad I did it.
Sian
Anne Robotti
>
> i'll send the half bottle of wine i have left over to
> you!!! i was completely agreeing with you,anne. :P
Well okay then! And don't send me wine. Always chocolate.
>
> as far as droopy boobs.......i will never forget the "nursing a child in
> the back seat of the van while you are driving...." remark you made!!!
>
Yeah, they almost reach my feet now. It's like, "What was that thing I just
tripped over? Oh, it was my breast... :(
Anne
Dana
really sick, now we are back to trying to figure out a way to break her
again...any suggestions?
As for blankies...I still have mine lol!!!
Dana
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Bryn
Claus!! All pacifiers will be left out with the milk and cookies for
Santa, and in exchange, he will give her presents!! We've been talking
about it for a while now, and she seems okay with it. We'll see how it
goes, but I feel she's ready! Good luck, and watch out for all those ones
that they have *stashed* somewhere in the house, playroom, etc.
--
Brynda (Mom of Jaidyn - 3, Korbin - 5mos & Kaitlin - 7 )
Dana wrote in message ...
tkwalker
stickler for dental hygiene (given that I had to teach SS how to brush his
teeth). And it wasn't a pediatrician, it was a dentist that explained the
"Bottle Rot syndrome". It happens when a child is allowed to suck on a
bottle of juice, or allowed to breastfeed for too long. Within a matter of
months, my son's teeth turned sour and had to be pulled. BM was warned far
before this stage, and she thought the same thing you did: "Oh please". Oh
*well* is more like it, since SS is the one who had to pay the consequences.
Anne Robotti <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Oh please. I was unable to breastfeed my children for that long,
> but *all* my friends are still breastfeeding their almost-three
> year olds and not one has had his/her teeth "rot out of their heads!"
> Where in the world did you get that info on breastmilk? :D I'd
> change pediatricians if SS's seriously considered the breastmilk
> as the reason his teeth were rotting. Any child with good dental
> hygiene can breastfeed ... well, forever, just like they can drink
Nikki Murphy
She's so right though isn't she - I mean it's not NORMAL for any parents to
go without their children ever, ever and getting a babysitter is tatamount
to child abuse! Chortle.
Perhaps she could babysit the kids and then she wouldn't have a problem with
it? Or is there some reason for her not wanting/not being able to do this?
N
Karla wrote:
> LOL Mel! Thanks for sharing this. Yesterday the egg donor, I mean BM
> buttonholed us outside of the school (she was dropping off SS from his
> overnight visit). She started ranting and raving about how we aren't
> supposed to hire a sitter and go out at all when SS is there, after all
> we got custody because it was a two parent family...yadda, yadda,
> yadda. We weren't to let SD babysit because she was immature and can't
> handle the responsibility, yadda, yadda, yadda... and then stormed off.
>
>
Nikki Murphy
Disclaimer 2: I have no idea whether SS was breastfed or not although I doubt it.
Real topic of conversation:
I'm interested in the whole breastfeeding debate as I plan to give it a go when I
have kids. Although I'm also planning not to beat myself up about it if it
doesn't happen or doesn't work for me.
Would you want to breast feed your kids that long? Three seems excessive to me. I
know all of the stuff about why breast milk is good (yes apart from it being
free!) and it's the 'best start in life' and all that stuff, but seriously, is
breastfeeding for that long right? It just makes me feel really strange to think
of people doing it with three year old kids. I'd like to do it until a child is
well weaned at 1 or so, but past that? I know it can be a comfort thing (but hey
they've all got to go eventually) I know it's good as in healthy (but so is a
good diet) and I know it's a good bonding time and all that, but it just seems to
be edging into the 'unnatural' side whenit goes on too long!
Third Dislaimer: I don't want to push any buttons but am really interested to
know!
Nikki
Anne Robotti wrote:
> Oh please. I was unable to breastfeed my children for that long,
> but *all* my friends are still breastfeeding their almost-three
> year olds and not one has had his/her teeth "rot out of their heads!"
> Where in the world did you get that info on breastmilk? :D I'd
> change pediatricians if SS's seriously considered the breastmilk
> as the reason his teeth were rotting. Any child with good dental
> hygeine can breastfeed ... well, forever, just like they can drink
ma...@sympatico.ca
<snip>
> anyway, the bm is going to make an appearance. i am
> positive she (and her mother for God's sake) will be there because she > has to return that kids from her weekend visitation. anyway, sd was on > the phone saying to her friends, "oh, i can introduce you to my
> mother."
I don't know your situation, or your SD, but...
Wow... old memories... you know, being on this NG is good for me, in a
sometimes surprisingly painful way. I thought I had this shit sorted...
(So if I come off as anti-step, or anti-parent in general, please excuse.
Is NOT what I mean -- but I'm trying to recreate and explain a time when
I was pretty unhappy with Dad and SM ...)
After we moved back to Ontario, I used to see my Dad maybe once a year,
maybe every second year, and it was really rare that he was here instead
of me going there. I always wanted to introduce him to my friends just
because I knew it was likely their only chance to meet him and get some
context for this person I talked about but could never produce. Wasn't
necessarily that I thought he was All That, just that he had a certain
... rarity value. Sometimes, in fact, it was partly because I knew that
until they had actually *met* him they would be unable to appreciate the
subtle nuances of just how crazy-making he was.
SD's motives are probably ... mixed, in other words. It just feels weird
not to be able to produce one of your bio-parents for inspection, you
know? Because people ask: "what's he/she like?" And, oddly, if SD's been
talking about how great *you* are, her friends are probably even more
curious...
And, you know, I always felt like I was supposed to make this big effort
with Dad, so I did. Of course, I also felt like I should be on Mom's side
in all cases, because he'd left me and she hadn't, and he had this cool
new life and she didn't. (she didn't put this on me -- I did, all by my
little self) Probably neglected Mom a few times, probably was
unreasonably cold with Dad and SM, in retrospect, but I wasn't very old
and I was doing my best to be "fair" and "good". Most of the SK's I knew
around them had surprising amounts of insight as to their family politics
-- we used to talk about it a lot. I think then we would have summed it
up as:
Being an SK means spending every single important event in your life
(graduations, concerts, wedding) trying not to exclude, hurt, or piss off
any grown-up, while trying to get them all to *behave*, and generally
failing miserably and wishing you'd lied about the date or gotten a bad
cold.
Mind you, the divorced bio-parents and the step-parents on this NG are a
whole different ball 'o' wax, as far as I can tell. I wish this NG had
existed in 1980...
This is kind of incoherent -- I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't
assume that you're suddenly not important to SD, or even that she
wouldn't rather be with you. She's old enough to know how tricky this all
is...
> and i'll be leaking breast milk all over myself and there she'll be
> with sd.
BM gets too close and too far up your nose -- squirt her. (Or just
picture it)
:-)
Marna.
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Before you buy.
jane lawrence
>
> Chortle on the topic subject by the way!!
>
> Yes I get everything you're saying below - but I guess it's up to the parent to decide
> when is a good time to stop and go with it. A parent takes responsibility for toilet
> training, getting rid of 'blankie', getting rid of pacifiers, teaching the child to
> dress etc - and so breastfeeding has to be part of that right?
Actually, I didn't decide any of those things. They were all
decisions I left up to my kid.
> It's just one of those
> things I haven't quite got my head around. I suppose I also don't get why a mother
> *wouldn't* want her body back asap!
>
> I'm sure it's nice and everything but I have a hard time digesting why a mother would
> continue for so long. Just feels wrong I guess. But then I also accept that I have
> everything to learn!
I think it only seems "wrong" because it's not that common in
your culture. It seems a little weird to me that people see
something wrong with using your breasts for what they were
designed for. Considering all the money I've spent on bras over
the last few decades, I really wanted to get my money's worth.
BD was into it for 14 months, then she lost interest.
Anyway, I think people get sidetracked because breasts are such
a publicly acknowledged erogenous zone in our cultures.
jane
jane lawrence
>
>
> I nursed because I was lazy
I don't think people understand this part. I used to lie in bed
at night, totally exhausted, thinking I would die if I had to
deal with formula at 3 a.m.
jane
Someone
herself by then. It was a REALLY rough start. Really rough. I can
understand why people give up. Just as I was about to, everything fell
into place.
Anne Robotti <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<38480BBE...@worldnet.att.net>...
: Yeah, I understand what you're saying, and I don't know how exactly to
explain
: it. Really, I think what it boils down to is that a parent doesn't really
get
: to choose the time for any of that stuff! :D I mean, you can if you
really
: really want to. But (I think) it's never a good idea to force a
developmental
: milestone on a child. That's me, that's my personal parenting style.
:
: Now, as you say, some mothers want their bodies back. And that is
perfectly
: valid. It doesn't make them bad mothers if they stop breastfeeding at
that
: point, and really I think some of them do a disservice to their
relationship
: with the child if they keep it up but resent it. And the health benefits
of
: breastfeeding start with just the first three days, so if that's all you
ever
: do then that's a great thing you've done for your baby. It's not supposed
: >
: > Chortle on the topic subject by the way!!
:
Someone
her "nummy and blankie". I don't mind the blankie part, but the pacifier
thing is a bit much. She only uses it when she's tired, and once she's
asleep she spits it out. But if she wakes in the middle of the night and
can't find it? Good lord you don't want to be within earshot!
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: My 3 yr old still has one, and we have decided to...... give it to Santa
: Claus!! All pacifiers will be left out with the milk and cookies for
: Santa, and in exchange, he will give her presents!! We've been talking
: about it for a while now, and she seems okay with it. We'll see how it
: goes, but I feel she's ready! Good luck, and watch out for all those
ones
: that they have *stashed* somewhere in the house, playroom, etc.
:
: --
: Brynda (Mom of Jaidyn - 3, Korbin - 5mos & Kaitlin - 7 )
:
: Dana wrote in message ...
: >Speaking of pacifiers...I broke BD once and then she found it when she
:
:
:
:
Someone
opposed to letting a child nurse too long in life.
tkwalker <tkwa...@gateway.net> wrote in article
<829r97$1jh$1...@news.laserlink.net>...
: BM would fall asleep allowing SS to nurse all night, and no, she wasn't a
: stickler for dental hygiene (given that I had to teach SS how to brush
his
: teeth). And it wasn't a pediatrician, it was a dentist that explained
the
: "Bottle Rot syndrome". It happens when a child is allowed to suck on a
: bottle of juice, or allowed to breastfeed for too long. Within a matter
of
: months, my son's teeth turned sour and had to be pulled. BM was warned
far
: before this stage, and she thought the same thing you did: "Oh please".
Oh
: *well* is more like it, since SS is the one who had to pay the
consequences.
:
:
: Anne Robotti <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
: news:3847F97F...@worldnet.att.net...
: > Oh please. I was unable to breastfeed my children for that long,
: > but *all* my friends are still breastfeeding their almost-three
: > year olds and not one has had his/her teeth "rot out of their heads!"
: > Where in the world did you get that info on breastmilk? :D I'd
: > change pediatricians if SS's seriously considered the breastmilk
: > as the reason his teeth were rotting. Any child with good dental
: > hygiene can breastfeed ... well, forever, just like they can drink
: > >
:
:
:
Anne Haas
>Yeah, they almost reach my feet now. It's like, "What was that thing I just
>tripped over? Oh, it was my breast... :(
Who said you had to nurse to have droopies??? Unfortunately, I can't use that
excuse. :-(
Anne H.
"To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might
be the world."
Geri and Brian
I have helped lots of moms learn how to breastfeed their babies, including the
funky aparatus the moms can hang around their necks for breastfeeding with
tubes).
I agree with Anne that it has to be right for both the mom and the baby. I
understand my SD weaned herself when she was about three months old. She just
decided she didn't want that anymore.
I always tell new moms the breastfeeding is best speech, but I also tell them
that if it doesn't work out for them, not to let anyone (including their ped)
make them feel bad about it. (I have taken care of more than one baby that was
in for failure to thrive because for one reason or another, the breastfeeding
was not working out, and people were making the mom feel guilty and inadequate
if she wanted to supplement or switch to the bottle.) I also take the probably
unPC viewpoint that if a mom wants to put their breastfeeding baby on a
schedule, like a bottle baby, that is certainly ok. (My sister had both her
babies on four hour schedules, they both slept through the night at five weeks,
and they both were in the 95th percentile for length and weight. They are now
three and six and are healthy and smart.)
Lastly, the breast Nazis would undoubtedly throw me in the oven for sure if I
ever had a baby (which I won't), because even though I KNOW all of the
statistics etc. supporting breastfeeding, I could never see myself doing it.
It just never did appeal to me - but that is just me. I always support a mom's
desire to do whatever she feels is right for both her and the baby. (What did
bug me in the hospital was the dads who insisted their wives breastfeed babies,
when they were only half-hearted about it or didn't want to.)
Geri
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Merrie
<ma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:82ajih$itl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Geri and Brian
>picture it)
Wait till you see the whites of her eyes, aim and FIRE! :-)
Deena Smith
to my SD chorus concert. Well BM showed up and decided to stand next to
me. She was showing off to oe of the kids. She was doing splits in the
middle of the isle. Well, alot of people were looking at her like a
freak of nature. I just kept paying attention to he chorus. And her
kids were pretty embarrassed.
So do what you do best and be yourself.
Deena
Kevin
Smith says...
far out! Sounds like BM was doing what she does best too???? That is so
weird.
Kevin
> Deena
>
>
--
Forget love, I'd rather fall in chocolate.
Sarai
support group-tee hee!
Anyway, I am a former certified dental assistant, and I will tell ya what I
know for a fact. The MAIN cause of rotting baby teeth, is lack of adequate
dental hygiene; however, continuing bottle feeding and breast feeding after
12 mos is more likely to *increase* your child's risk of dental caries, even
if you do brush their teeth. The fact is, the nipple (bottle or breast)
rests behind the teeth, and produces a constant flow of sugar, nutrients,
etc. etc. etc. directly to the enamel. Now I'm not saying this *causes* all
their teeth to fall out, but it is proven to increase decay in children's
teeth. The Dr. I worked for always advised this: It is best to wean your
child from the bottle of MILK or the BREAST at 12 mos of age, but it is ok
(and he did this with his daughter) to give them the bottle after 12 mos
provided it's filled with water. *Sigh* Sounds oh-so-easy does'nt it? But
just for the record, here's what I did (And yes, I am gloating cause my son
just had his very first dental cleaning last week so let me gloat dammit).
When Tyler got his very first tooth, I cleaned it with a baby tooth brush,
and with a tinier than tiny amount of toothpaste. From then on, it was
morning and night, even if I had to hold him down to do it. I did'nt scrub
his brains out, I just made sure I got around each tooth evenly, and gently,
and good enough to get the plaque off. Kept that up until I weaned him off
the bottle at 13 mos, (oh yeah that was great fun) and eventually as he
grew, got him a toddler toothbrush. He is 3 now, and it was def. not easy,
but he got his teeth cleaned and examined last week and I am proud to say he
did *wonderfully* throughout the whole thing (and he is a typical
rambunctious 3 yr old), he told the hygienist to make sure she got *all* of
his "cavity bugs" (decay) LOL, and had an A+ no cavities-detected exam!!!
:-D
heather,
who is glad she's not loading dental shots anymore, LOL
Anne Robotti wrote in message <384803B6...@worldnet.att.net>...
Merrie
does - she turned three a few days ago. We have fun while we brush each
tooth, by naming each tooth a familiar character. "Oh look, there's Mickey!
and next to him there's Minne..."
Sarai <heat...@ipa.net> wrote in message news:82d2hj$a7m$1...@news.ipa.net...
Kim Scheinberg
Tell me about it... (I am nursing Max as I type -- anyone who's taken
pictures on the webcam page knows I do this rather often)
There's something else, though. The magic bullet. When Max fusses,
sometimes the only thing that will calm him is a breast. Not because he's
hungry, necessarily. Just because... I don't know. He likes it. I'm very
reluctant to give up that tool
As for getting my body back... what do you mean? Do you mean not feeling
cannibalized anymore? Or do you mean going back to my pre-pregnancy body?
I was a pretty happy size 4 when I got pregnant and a 36C. Now I'm
(finally) a size 4 again, except I'm a 38DD. I can't really complain about
that. Not only that, with all the calories bf'ing burns, I haven't dieted
one little bit. I'm rather pleased with my current shape (and so, I might
note, is my husband)
Max will be 8 months next week. I certainly plan on sticking it out a
year. The American Pediatrics Association recently revised their
guidelines to suggest that there are benefits in months 6-12 that they
hadn't previously acknowledged. The WHO has always recommended two years
Ask me again in six months if we're still nursing...
-k.
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Anne Robotti
to the touched-out feeling I sometimes got while nursing. I felt some-
times that I had been touched every minute of the day and I needed
some time when nobody was touching me. I don't know if everybody feels
this way, I assume there are some people who never do.
I didn't feel it all the time, but when it hit, it hit hard.
Anne
Kim Scheinberg
>> As for getting my body back... what do you mean? Do you mean not feeling
>> cannibalized anymore? Or do you mean going back to my pre-pregnancy body?
Then Anne replied:
>Kim, what I really meant by "getting my body back" was putting an end
>to the touched-out feeling I sometimes got while nursing. I felt some-
>times that I had been touched every minute of the day and I needed
>some time when nobody was touching me. I don't know if everybody feels
>this way, I assume there are some people who never do.
That's what I meant with my cannibalization remark. Yes, I get touched
out. Yes, sometimes I look at my body and feel like nothing more than a
life support system for my son. Yes, it occasionally wreaks havoc with my
sex life. And sometimes I sleep way over on the other side of the bed,
which I have never ever done before -- I was always a big spooner
But it got much easier after the 6 month growth spurt. He nurses less
frequently and for less time per nursing. And he's taking solids. If
things today were like they were back at week 12 or even week 20, I'd be
giving serious thought to quitting. At this point -- even with my moments
of feeling touched out -- it's *so* much easier than any alternative
Anne Robotti
> At this point -- even with my moments
> of feeling touched out -- it's *so* much easier than any alternative
>
And I think, frankly, that it usually *is* easier, especially if
you can get over the "breastfeeding in public" hurdle. (With Brooke
it was at 2 weeks, my sister's baby shower. With Charlie, I left
the hospital breastfeeding him in the wheelchair. What a great memory!)
But, Brooke was a very high-needs baby. It was very difficult for me,
since she wanted to be held all the time, and cried if it wasn't me
holding her. There were days when I really wanted to pitch the whole
thing. And she would have stayed that way, about the breastfeeding. She
did about being held, I know that! I might have quit soon anyway, as it
was it wasn't my choice to make. :( Charlie was a whole different ball
of wax. I had the touched-out feeling with him too sometimes, but then
just when it was getting really bad he'd go to sleep for 4 hours! :)
Anne
Sarai
learned in my training, and was told by my boss countless times. :) Im not
saying that breast feeding a long time causes a child to lose it's teeth,
its the poor quality/lack of brushing that does that. You can still breast
feed a long time, give good dental hygiene, and have your kid come out with
good teeth, but the chances of cavities are *lessened* if you wean him/her
around 12 mos from any nipple/bottle that has constant supply of milk,
juice, whatever. I guess what I'm saying is that the chance is more likey
for your kid to have healthy teeth if you wean AND brush. Thats just what I
was taught. One time, I knew a girl who brushed her son's teeth, but did'nt
wean him off of the bottle until he was 2 and a half, and the only reason
she weaned him then, was because he had to have all of his front facial baby
teeth crowned because they were so decayed from sucking on a bottle all day
long. Now, its not like a kid can run around the house with a breast in his
mouth all day long, so its less likely for that to happen, so a breast fed
kid could just end up with a couple of cavities unlike the bottle fed.
heather
jane lawrence wrote in message <384C6D62...@excite.com>...
>Sarai wrote:p-tee hee!
>>
>> Anyway, I am a former certified dental assistant, and I will tell ya what
I
>> know for a fact. The MAIN cause of rotting baby teeth, is lack of
adequate
>> dental hygiene; however, continuing bottle feeding and breast feeding
after
>> 12 mos is more likely to *increase* your child's risk of dental caries,
even
>> if you do brush their teeth. The fact is, the nipple (bottle or breast)
>> rests behind the teeth, and produces a constant flow of sugar, nutrients,
>> etc. etc. etc. directly to the enamel.
>
>Cites, please.
>
>jane
Newsgroups
me nursing all night and the first thing i hear in the morning is "mommy
hold me" and then by noon, i am usually standing in the kitchen, holding my
hands out in front of me screaming "everybody just stand back from the
mommy. stand BACK from the mommy".
kitley
Kim Scheinberg <ik...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:82f29i$467$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> I wrote:
>
> >> As for getting my body back... what do you mean? Do you mean not
feeling
> >> cannibalized anymore? Or do you mean going back to my pre-pregnancy
body?
>
> Then Anne replied:
>
> >Kim, what I really meant by "getting my body back" was putting an end
> >to the touched-out feeling I sometimes got while nursing. I felt some-
> >times that I had been touched every minute of the day and I needed
> >some time when nobody was touching me. I don't know if everybody feels
> >this way, I assume there are some people who never do.
>
> That's what I meant with my cannibalization remark. Yes, I get touched
> out. Yes, sometimes I look at my body and feel like nothing more than a
> life support system for my son. Yes, it occasionally wreaks havoc with my
> sex life. And sometimes I sleep way over on the other side of the bed,
> which I have never ever done before -- I was always a big spooner
>
> But it got much easier after the 6 month growth spurt. He nurses less
> frequently and for less time per nursing. And he's taking solids. If
> things today were like they were back at week 12 or even week 20, I'd be
> giving serious thought to quitting. At this point -- even with my moments
> of feeling touched out -- it's *so* much easier than any alternative
>
Kim Scheinberg
>Kim Scheinberg wrote:
>> At this point -- even with my moments
>> of feeling touched out -- it's *so* much easier than any alternative
>
>you can get over the "breastfeeding in public" hurdle. (With Brooke
Or, if you can get over feeling like a golden retriever with pups...
http://www.panix.com/~ikuo/nurse.jpeg
(BTW, Anne, I was pretty sure you were referring to the 'touched out'
phenom. It was Nikki from whom I wanted clarification when she asked about
wanting her body back -- I didn't think anyone who hasn't bf'ed could
really grok the touched out thing. I'd heard about it and read about it
and was 100% sure *that* couldn't happen to me as I am about the touchiest
person I know. But then I nursed. And sure enough, it happened...)
Geri and Brian
>this way, I assume there are some people who never do.
When my sister breastfed her first child, she said sometimes she felt like he
looked at her like a big disembodied cartoon breast.
jane lawrence
>
>
> There's something else, though. The magic bullet. When Max fusses,
> sometimes the only thing that will calm him is a breast. Not because he's
> hungry, necessarily. Just because... I don't know. He likes it. I'm very
> reluctant to give up that tool
I totally agree. If Lee was tired, hungry, thirsty, sad,
scared, bitchy or almost anything else, a tit in the mouth cured
it. Most times, I never did know what was making her fuss. It
was so wonderful to be able to make her feel better without
knowing. I often wonder how other people get through that
pre-verbal year or two.
>
> As for getting my body back... what do you mean? Do you mean not feeling
> cannibalized anymore? Or do you mean going back to my pre-pregnancy body?
> I was a pretty happy size 4 when I got pregnant and a 36C. Now I'm
> (finally) a size 4 again, except I'm a 38DD. I can't really complain about
> that. Not only that, with all the calories bf'ing burns, I haven't dieted
> one little bit. I'm rather pleased with my current shape (and so, I might
> note, is my husband)
>
I loved it. I was a rail with a rack. Of course, it was
impossible to find a dress that fit.
jane
jane lawrence
jane lawrence
>
> I don't know what you specifically want me to cite, I'm just stating what I
> learned in my training, and was told by my boss countless times. :)
I don't know either, really. I'm just trying to figure out
where this idea is coming from. Are there studies published in
reputable journals? Maybe your boss knows.
jane
Sian Lee Reid
<rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Kim, what I really meant by "getting my body back" was putting an end
> to the touched-out feeling I sometimes got while nursing. I felt some-
> times that I had been touched every minute of the day and I needed
> some time when nobody was touching me. I don't know if everybody feels
> this way, I assume there are some people who never do.
>
Oh man, Anne, was I there! Not only did I have a 'grazing' nurser (10
minutes here, 10 minutes there), but from about a year until three and a
bit, if she wasn't nursing at that precise moment, she had her hand stuck
down the front of my top! By the time I went to bed at night, I was
shooting 'don't even _think_ about it' daggers at DH! LOL!
I can laugh now that it's over. And I'm still glad I stuck it out...
Sian
Someone
similar information be a dentist friend of mine when BD was little, as well
as from our GP. I am assuming there are studies out there about it if
dental and medical professionals are giving advice to parents based on it.
On another note, one of my cousins was still nursing after 3 years of age.
She would walk up to my mother - and other women in the family - and just
start unbuttoning their blouse if she was thirsty!
A little uncomfortable for others.
jane lawrence <jan...@excite.com> wrote in article
<384C9AC0...@excite.com>...
:
Anne Robotti
on the last thing *they* read. If it was five years ago, the patient
is just SOL. On the breastfeeding lists I'm on, there are many, many
sad stories about people who stopped breastfeeding when it wasn't at
all necessary (like when the baby was jaundiced), or had problems if
they followed advice given to them by a medical "professional." What
ever happened to a doctor or dentist scratching his head and saying,
"Gee, I don't know. I'd have to look that up, give me a day or so, I
could get back to you."??? One woman on my MOBI list (Mothers Over -
coming Breastfeeding Issues) had a doctor tell her that her milk sup
ply would always be inadequate when the baby was *three days old!!!*
Of course she stopped (a couple of horror stories about 'starving' a
baby later)... there were TONS of things she could have done to build
up supply!
I would think, and this is just me, that since a child *can* walk
around with a bottle all day, and *can't* walk around with a breast
all day, that in terms of constant-feed the breast would be much better.
And of course as anybody who's done it knows, not all that time at the
breast is nutritive sucking. They're not always taking milk. Sometimes
it's just the "human pacifier" thing. Anything for a breast! :D
Anne
jane lawrence wrote:
>
> Someone wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about studies either, Jane, but I do know that I was given
> > similar information be a dentist friend of mine when BD was little, as well
> > as from our GP. I am assuming there are studies out there about it if
> > dental and medical professionals are giving advice to parents based on it.
>
> That's the difference between you and me. I'm not a trusting
> person. I have to read the study, look at the methodology,
> evaluate the conclusions, etc. I need to see what the
> statistical difference is between children weaned at one year
> and those weaned earlier. Is there a difference between breast
> milk and other fluids? How many children does this actually
> effect? At what age? Are there adequate controls for
> socioeconomic, hereditary, and other factors? Who did the
> study? When? Has it been reproduced since?
> You see where I'm going with this. It doesn't make sense to
> me. I need proof.
>
> jane
Sarai
Association online, or there is a newsgroup called sci.med.dentistry where
there are dentists, hygienists, and assistants that can give you all the
places to find studies, journals, statistics, etc. But I will also email my
old boss and ask him where an easy-access proof (made up that word, lol)
like the aforementioned can be found, if that will help. I am by no means a
dental expert, what I posted was just what I was taught by a dentist and
what he always recommended to his patients.
sincerely,
heather
jane lawrence wrote in message <384D273A...@excite.com>...
Sarai
Here is a site of the ADA on bottle decay. I will try to find more on
breastfeeding specifically, although here is a snip of what I was trying to
say the other day:
It's not just what you put in your child's bottle that causes decay, but how
often — and for how long a time. Giving your child a bottle of sweetened
liquid many times a day isn't a good idea. Allowing your child to fall
asleep with a bottle during naps or at night can also harm the child's
teeth.
So a breast is not as harmful as the bottle, because like I said, It's not
like a kid can walk around all day with a breast in his mouth like he can
with a bottle of milk. But this does not mention anything about breast
feeding, so I am as of now trying to do a search on that also.
heather
Sarai
Here is another site from the ADA, on pediatric dental hygiene that does
mention nocturnal breastfeeding:
Dana
wants Santa to have them lol!!!
Dana
Bryn <n...@affiliation.net> wrote in message
news:vtX14.3$UW5....@typhoon1.austin.rr.com...
> My 3 yr old still has one, and we have decided to...... give it to Santa
> Claus!! All pacifiers will be left out with the milk and cookies for
> Santa, and in exchange, he will give her presents!! We've been talking
> about it for a while now, and she seems okay with it. We'll see how it
> goes, but I feel she's ready! Good luck, and watch out for all those ones
> that they have *stashed* somewhere in the house, playroom, etc.
>
> --
> Brynda (Mom of Jaidyn - 3, Korbin - 5mos & Kaitlin - 7 )
>
> Dana wrote in message ...
> >Speaking of pacifiers...I broke BD once and then she found it when she
was
> >really sick, now we are back to trying to figure out a way to break her
> >again...any suggestions?
> >
> >As for blankies...I still have mine lol!!!
> >
> >Dana
>
>
>
Dana
find it!!
Dana
Someone <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:01bf3dee$09622140$40d7...@pc.vaxxine.com...
> Hey this isn't a bad idea! My BD is 3 1/2 and is really really attached
to
> her "nummy and blankie". I don't mind the blankie part, but the pacifier
> thing is a bit much. She only uses it when she's tired, and once she's
> asleep she spits it out. But if she wakes in the middle of the night and
> can't find it? Good lord you don't want to be within earshot!
>
> Bryn <n...@affiliation.net> wrote in article
> <vtX14.3$UW5....@typhoon1.austin.rr.com>...
> : My 3 yr old still has one, and we have decided to...... give it to Santa
> :
> :
> :
> :
Vicki Robinson
>Speaking of pacifiers...I broke BD once and then she found it when she was
>really sick, now we are back to trying to figure out a way to break her
>again...any suggestions?
>
My older daughter was a thumb sucker, and we broke that finally by brute
force. She was old enough to understand the dental consequences of
continuing to suck her thumb, and we enlisted her cooperation in just
applying self-control. Poor little bud, she came to me one day and said in a
shaky voice "I felt like sucking my thumb just now, but I didn't! I felt
like it, but I didn't do it!" (She got lots of cuddles and congratulations
on her strength.)
The younger one was never without a "binky." One day, when she was about
2.5, they were walking her down to the nap room at day care. Her teacher
said "Oh, Laura, we forgot your binky!" and she said "Oh, I don't need that
any more." And she never used one again. Weird.
Vicki
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jane lawrence
jane lawrence
Thanks.
They recommended discontinuing nocturnal BF on demand after
eruption of the first tooth. Since they don't give any support
for that premise, I'm still pretty skeptical. I can't tell
whether someone just decided that if bottles at night cause
decay then breast milk must too, or whether they actually have
some evidence to support their theory.
jane
Geri and Brian
>whether someone just decided that if bottles at night cause
>decay then breast milk must too, or whether they actually have
>some evidence to support their theory.
I don't have adequate interest in breastfeeding at any stage of the game to
really follow up on this, but I would think that a group like the ADA just
doesn't publish things like this off the cuff without adequate documentation.
Where one would find that, I don't know - perhaps in the dental journals.
Geri and Brian
>asleep with a bottle during naps or at night can also harm the child's
>teeth.
>
Not to mention increasing the risk of ear infections and aspiration (and
associated aspiration pneumonia).
Someone
could cause the dental problems. Same goes for juices.
But, after BD was weaned she went right to cups, so having any kind of
nipple sit in her mouth half the night at any age was never an issue.
Truthfully I didn't pay as much attention to the potential dangers I was
told about since BD did not do any of the things that supposedly cause
this.
jane lawrence <jan...@excite.com> wrote in article
:
Someone
actually been there when he's made the calls to other professionals whose
expertise was relevant to find out what he needed. Even then, he would do
further research before giving me any form of a definitive answer.
Anne Robotti <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<384BD90D...@worldnet.att.net>...
: Dental and medical professionals often give advice to patients based
: on the last thing *they* read. If it was five years ago, the patient
: is just SOL. On the breastfeeding lists I'm on, there are many, many
: sad stories about people who stopped breastfeeding when it wasn't at
: all necessary (like when the baby was jaundiced), or had problems if
: they followed advice given to them by a medical "professional." What
: ever happened to a doctor or dentist scratching his head and saying,
: "Gee, I don't know. I'd have to look that up, give me a day or so, I
: could get back to you."??? One woman on my MOBI list (Mothers Over -
: coming Breastfeeding Issues) had a doctor tell her that her milk sup
: ply would always be inadequate when the baby was *three days old!!!*
: Of course she stopped (a couple of horror stories about 'starving' a
: baby later)... there were TONS of things she could have done to build
: up supply!
:
: I would think, and this is just me, that since a child *can* walk
: around with a bottle all day, and *can't* walk around with a breast
: all day, that in terms of constant-feed the breast would be much better.
: And of course as anybody who's done it knows, not all that time at the
: breast is nutritive sucking. They're not always taking milk. Sometimes
: it's just the "human pacifier" thing. Anything for a breast! :D
:
: Anne
:
: jane lawrence wrote:
: >
Bryn
sitting there. This often happens when a bottle is propped in the mouth or
left in the crib for the child to suck on at nite. The reason this happens
less when the baby is nursing, is because the child usually swallows when
the breast is taken from his mouth. This is not always the case, and
breastfed babies do get bottle rot occasionally, but the reason is because
of the milk pooling in the mouth. It is in NO WAY related to how long the
child is breast of bottle fed. I personally know of no dentist who has
taken a class or bothered to read about breastmilk, it's elements, and
scientifically proved or disproved the fact that breastfeeding for too many
years causes bottle rot. If any one here does, please give me a reference.
--
Brynda (Mom of Jaidyn - 3, Korbin - 6mos & Kaitlin - 7 )
tkwalker wrote in message <829r97$1jh$1...@news.laserlink.net>...
>BM would fall asleep allowing SS to nurse all night, and no, she wasn't a
>stickler for dental hygiene (given that I had to teach SS how to brush his
>teeth). And it wasn't a pediatrician, it was a dentist that explained the
>"Bottle Rot syndrome". It happens when a child is allowed to suck on a
>bottle of juice, or allowed to breastfeed for too long. Within a matter of
>months, my son's teeth turned sour and had to be pulled. BM was warned far
>before this stage, and she thought the same thing you did: "Oh please". Oh
>*well* is more like it, since SS is the one who had to pay the
consequences.
>
>
>Anne Robotti <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:3847F97F...@worldnet.att.net...
>> Oh please. I was unable to breastfeed my children for that long,
>> but *all* my friends are still breastfeeding their almost-three
>> year olds and not one has had his/her teeth "rot out of their heads!"
>> Where in the world did you get that info on breastmilk? :D I'd
>> change pediatricians if SS's seriously considered the breastmilk
>> as the reason his teeth were rotting. Any child with good dental
>> hygiene can breastfeed ... well, forever, just like they can drink
>> other liquids! My guess is, he never ever brushed his teeth and
>> didn't breastfeed *enough* to supplement his diet and keep him
>> healthy.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> tkwalker wrote:
>> >
>> > BM breast fed my SS so long (until he was almost 3 years old!) that his
>> > teeth rotted out of his head. The doctor even wrote her a letter
>"Strongly
>> > URGING" her to discontinue breast feeding, but she said she didn't want
>her
>> > boobs to shrink. So now SS is five and has only one tooth in the front
>and
>> > some of the others are silver capped.
>> >
>> > Breast milk is extremely potent and childrens teeth need to be watched
>> > carefully for signs of "Bottle Rot".
>> >
>
>
Dana
will not sleep with out it. That is the only time she gets upset. You can
take it from her anytime she is playing and she is just fine, but at nap
time or bedtime, no way. I think she is coming down with a cold, so now is
probably not the best time to break her. But when we do.....
Dana
Vicki Robinson <vic...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Sarai
jane lawrence wrote in message <384E7FAF...@excite.com>...
>Geri and Brian wrote:
>>
>> >I can't tell
>> >whether someone just decided that if bottles at night cause
>> >decay then breast milk must too, or whether they actually have
>> >some evidence to support their theory.
>>
>> I don't have adequate interest in breastfeeding at any stage of the game
to
>> really follow up on this, but I would think that a group like the ADA
just
>> doesn't publish things like this off the cuff without adequate
documentation.
>> Where one would find that, I don't know - perhaps in the dental journals.
>>
>their site, so I can't tell. I certainly don't place the ADA in
>a category of authorities who don't need to substantiate their
>claims. In the first place, I don't think anyone is in that
>category. In the second place, I don't think too highly of the
>ADA.
>
>You know, I think there's a more important point here, though.
>Heather initially posted that she knew for a fact that
>"continuing bottle feeding and breast feeding after 12 mos is
>more likely to *increase* your child's risk of dental caries,
>one's come up for any support for that premise other than that
>the ADA recommends discontinuing NOCTURNAL breast feeding ON
>DEMAND. Nonetheless, Someone says that she got the same info
>from a dentist.
>
>There's so much misinformation circulating about breast feeding,
>that I don't feel that I can allow sweeping statements to go by
>unchallenged.
>
>jane show-me lawrence <--lol
OK, I will try to justify the "I know for a fact" deal. My boss was a very
good dentist, he worked quickly, and effetively and had a *wonderful*
reputation for taking extremely good care of his adult and pediatric
patients, answering their questions, and keeping his staff as well as
himself up-to-date on dental issues. I respected him very much, and I guess
I can say thats why I said "I know for a fact" because he was ALWAYS quoting
from journals, handing them out to us to read, and taking us to Dental
conventions for classes. But I totally understand your point, and I will
email him (I have since moved to another state) and ask him how to get a
journal copy or whatnot that I can post/refer to/quote, etc.
Heather will-try-to-find-info McEwen
jane lawrence
Kallynn1
>They live in teeth the way that we live in a condo, and they eat your teeth
>for food. I told him that the toothbrush is his only weapon to destroy the
>"Cavatie Cooties" and he has to make sure to get them all.
I LOVE THAT!!!! I wish my kids were 2 again so I could tell them that story.
How cute. What the hell, they are 9,9,9, 11, and 14 but I am still gonna tell
'em anyway.
Kallynn
Kallynn1
>doesn't get ugly.
>kitley
Hey, they now sell wipes for the teeth at the drug store. yep that is right,
they do. They are mouthwash flavored and it is to get the gunk off your teeth
when you can't brush.......
Kallynn
Kallynn1
>me.
I agree. My biggest fear with breastfeeding a three year old would be a full
set of teeth and him gentling biting off my nipple (youch). I probably would
have loved to have breastfed for about a year, year and a half. That is when I
weaned my kids from the bottle.
Kallynn- whose breasts hit the DD size when pregnant and had the nipples the
size of Kansas but still wasn't able to breast feed..............life is so
unfair.............
Louise Taylor
> Kallynn- whose breasts hit the DD size when pregnant and had the nipples the
> size of Kansas but still wasn't able to breast feed..............life is so
> unfair.............
And on the other side of that coin, Louise has breasts in a DDD that
continually leak liquid and can't have children. WAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
:-)
Louise