Question, may be slightly OT
ELD
parenting thing than it is a stepparenting thing.
I try to be fair. When I've been unfair or treated SD poorly, I always
make sure to apologize to her and exaplain why. But I do this with all
of the people in my life. My daughter knows that if she is mean to
someone, she needs to apologize when she's feeling better. She usually
does it without me having to prompt her. In fact, even lately when
she's been a bit temperamental, she voluntarily comes to hug and
apologize after she's past the angry stage.
The other day I had to talk to SD about her attitude. I know she has a
lot of stuff going on at school and socially, and she's kind of
stressed. I understand WHY she's been snippy and mean and rude, but I
don't excuse it.
She's hurt her sister, and she's pushed me to the proverbial edge time
after time with this attitude.
I told her I simply wouldn't have it anymore, towards me or my
daughter. She is rarely that way with SO, certainly not to the
practically intolerable extent it is sometimes dished out to me and my
kid.
Anyways, last night it happened again. Not 2 days after our
conversation.
She's ragging on my daughter, and said something I specifically told her
I didn't want to hear. I reminded her of our conversation, pretty
cheerfully, hoping she'd get the hint and we could avoid an argument.
Well, she kept right up as if I said nothing, and I said something along
the lines of "If you're going to talk that way, just zip it, because I
don't want to hear it." She makes this nagging sound, like "nyah nyah
nyahh". I nearly flipped my lid. She doesn't know when to stop. I was
soooooo angry.
I yelled at her to "Just stop it!" And she could tell I was just
fuming. She kept up the little comments until she was upstairs, and her
father told her if we heard any more she would be grounded for a week.
Well, she shaped up for the rest of the night, but we generally tried to
avoid each other.
This morning I realized she hadn't apologized. I went upstairs and said
something like "I want you to think about your behaviour last night. I
don't want it right now because it won't be sincere, but I want you to
think about why your behaviour was unacceptable, then if you can come up
with a sincere apology, I want you to come to me and Abby with it. You
owe it to both of us. You behave like this, and you never apologize,
and basically you get away with it. I always give you the benefit of an
apology when I overreact (she nods) (and as an aside, in the 4 1/2 years
I have known this child, I have never heard her say "I'm sorry" to
anyone. Ever.). If you can't come up with an apology that you've given
some thought to, I will be severely disappointed, and I will look at you
in a very different light. A person who cannot admit their mistakes and
apologize for them has a problem."
I hope I did the right thing, this whole apology issue has me really
kind of bothered, and I just want to get some thoughts on it. I think
it's an important lesson to learn, esp. if she's 15 and hasn't learned
it yet. I hate that I have to be at the brunt of it and to be the one
to teach this though. I DON'T WANT TO.
Please, comments?
jane lawrence
>
>
> I hope I did the right thing, this whole apology issue has me really
> kind of bothered, and I just want to get some thoughts on it. I think
> it's an important lesson to learn, esp. if she's 15 and hasn't learned
> it yet. I hate that I have to be at the brunt of it and to be the one
> to teach this though. I DON'T WANT TO.
>
> Please, comments?
I don't think it's your place. I've been through the drill with
my BD, but she was about a decade younger than your SD. After
you teach them how apologies work and what you're supposed to
say when they're little kids, they pretty much have to hammer
the rest out for themselves. I get absolutely nowhere trying to
tell my daughter who she should apologize to now (12 yo).
Another thing. I'm a great apologizer. In fact, I'm so good at
saying, "I'm sorry" and "I was wrong" that it almost feels like
cheating. That's probably because I grew up Catholic with the
confession thing, but I digress. Other people, who can't bring
themselves to say the words, sometimes do a lot better than I do
through their actions. I don't necessarily mean people like my
ex who showed up with roses. Some people try to undo or
ameliorate whatever they've done wrong. Instead of apologizing
with words, kids might be extra nice to a younger sibling, clean
their rooms, bring you coffee in the morning, or offer to make
dinner. When you think about it, if the real crime was hurting
another person, then doing something to make them feel better is
probably a more direct apology than just saying the words.
I don't think there is much to be said for forcing kids to say
that they are sorry when they are not. I'm not sure it's a good
idea to force them even when they are. Besides, kids don't
learn *all* their life skills from us. Sometimes the best we
can do is to set them an example to refer back to later in
life. So, now that you've explained the apology concept to SD,
I'd let it go.
jane
Anne Robotti
*have* to be at the brunt of it. I don't recall that he's a ball
of fire in the parenting area. You could try talking to him about
it and see if he feels he can start asking her for apologies when
she's way out of line, but I doubt it will help if he's never done
it before.
I think it's a think kids have to learn, I think you explained it
well, she sounds like she was having a MAJOR attack of teenage-itis!
Anne
Anne Robotti
*being* sorry. But it doesn't sound like Erin's SD *is* sorry.
And I think the act of saying the words "I'm sorry", if nothing
else, helps to get across the idea that they *should* be sorry.
It'd be great if all kids spontaneously came up and did nice
things after they've been jerks, but they don't.
Jane, I was brought up Catholic too, and I have a BIG problem
with saying the words, "I'm sorry." I'm ALWAYS the person trying
to show it by my actions! :D
Anne
jane lawrence
>
> I don't think saying the words is as important as actually
> *being* sorry. But it doesn't sound like Erin's SD *is* sorry.
> And I think the act of saying the words "I'm sorry", if nothing
> else, helps to get across the idea that they *should* be sorry.
> It'd be great if all kids spontaneously came up and did nice
> things after they've been jerks, but they don't.
>
> Jane, I was brought up Catholic too, and I have a BIG problem
> with saying the words, "I'm sorry." I'm ALWAYS the person trying
> to show it by my actions! :D
>
This has come up for me in relationships between adults rather
than between parent and child. At some point in my adult years,
I realized that I was too lazy to keep defending my position
when I knew I was wrong. Maybe it kicked in after the first two
million times I had been wrong about something. Nowadays, I
raise the white flag fairly early on. But that's me.
I know other people who haven't hit the two million mark yet.
They still cannot admit that they were wrong or say they are
sorry. If they make amends through their actions, who the hell
am I to discount it? That seems so petty and churlish. My way
or the highway. Why does everyone have to apologize the way I
do? Don't I have an obligation to them to honor their nonverbal
communication? Shouldn't we also teach our children to
appreciate other forms of communication?
Anyway, I see Erin's point. The ability to apologize verbally
has served me well. I'm sure the skill would benefit SD as
well. I just don't think you can force it on another person. I
don't think I could even force it on myself.
jane
Melissa J. Ryan
feifteen now and pretty much past the moody stuff but I thought that I would
never make it past the thirteenth and fourteenth years. I had nightmares about
being locked in an elevator with the kid!
As far as an apology I don't think your request was unreasonable. You simply
stated that you thought one was deserved and you hoped that she would think
about it. That seems healthy to me. I have said the same sort of things to
people I'm close to before. Just understand that by putting it that way you
are giving SD the right nor to apologise. If she does then great, if not then
maybe next time.
Love,
Melissa
ELD
discussing it again with her. I will just wait and see what happens.
See, she doesn't even try to say she's sorry in other ways that might be
more suitable for her. I understand that the importance I place on
saying sorry may not be as important or as suited to other people. I am
well aware of this possible (or probable) discrepancy. But, she ISN'T
doing anything about it at all. She just justifies it. "I am a bitch
tonight because I had a bad day." "I don't feel well." Etc. Which is
fine, we are all allowed bad days, and we all sometimes take our
frustrations out on undeserving people. Which is fine, I'm certainly
very guilty of doing it myself.
BUT, I apologize. I make amends for my mistakes.
She does not. At all.
I certainly am not about to bring it upon myself to transform this kid
into something I don't think she's capable of being, but if I hadn't
said anything about my expectations, she would not really have a chance
to live up to it.
I said what I had to say, and I don't regret it to be honest, and I am
just going to leave it be and see what happens.
Thanks for the feedback.
Glad to hear SD is not all that abnormal though.
jane lawrence wrote:
>
> ELD wrote:
> >
> >
> > I hope I did the right thing, this whole apology issue has me really
> > kind of bothered, and I just want to get some thoughts on it. I think
> > it's an important lesson to learn, esp. if she's 15 and hasn't learned
> > it yet. I hate that I have to be at the brunt of it and to be the one
> > to teach this though. I DON'T WANT TO.
> >
> > Please, comments?
>
> I don't think it's your place. I've been through the drill with
> my BD, but she was about a decade younger than your SD. After
> you teach them how apologies work and what you're supposed to
> say when they're little kids, they pretty much have to hammer
> the rest out for themselves. I get absolutely nowhere trying to
> tell my daughter who she should apologize to now (12 yo).
>
> Another thing. I'm a great apologizer. In fact, I'm so good at
> saying, "I'm sorry" and "I was wrong" that it almost feels like
> cheating. That's probably because I grew up Catholic with the
> confession thing, but I digress. Other people, who can't bring
> themselves to say the words, sometimes do a lot better than I do
> through their actions. I don't necessarily mean people like my
> ex who showed up with roses. Some people try to undo or
> ameliorate whatever they've done wrong. Instead of apologizing
> with words, kids might be extra nice to a younger sibling, clean
> their rooms, bring you coffee in the morning, or offer to make
> dinner. When you think about it, if the real crime was hurting
> another person, then doing something to make them feel better is
> probably a more direct apology than just saying the words.
>
ELD
amends for their wrongs towards others, but that's probably awfully
judgemental of me. Oh well.
However, Anne is right. SD is NOT sorry. She thinks she has every
right to take her anger out on and hurt (*continuously*) the very people
she is supposed to love and who love her back. It happens, and I accept
that, and do it a lot myself. But, to try and convince yourself it's
your right to do that? No. And it's not my right to force anything
from SD. I did not give her an ultimatum, I gave her my expectations.
She does not HAVE to live up to them, but not doing so WILL have
consequences. A fact of life SD hates.
I can't force people to do anything, but if I can help her learn a
lesson that would certainly serve her well in many areas of her life for
the rest of her life, I'd be an ass to let the opportunity slip by
without saying something.
ELD
doesn't apologize, she's grounded for the weekend. I'd rather just let
it be and let the natural consequences of her apologizing or not happen
as they will.
Any ideas?
(I asked him not to talk to her about it, just to wait and see how she
responds)
Anne Robotti wrote:
>
> Erin, if this is really important to you and not to DH, you may
> *have* to be at the brunt of it. I don't recall that he's a ball
> of fire in the parenting area. You could try talking to him about
> it and see if he feels he can start asking her for apologies when
> she's way out of line, but I doubt it will help if he's never done
> it before.
>
> I think it's a think kids have to learn, I think you explained it
> well, she sounds like she was having a MAJOR attack of teenage-itis!
>
> Anne
>
ELD
think I was totally off-base. If I had insisted on an apology, I think
I'd be SOL. But I (intentionally) gave her the choice and told her to
take some time to think about it. To every action there is a reaction.
SD thinks she can just do as she pleases and, well, we just have to live
with it.
Yes, she is a normal teenager. She is 15 also, Melissa, but we are at
the crest of her mood swings right now. 13 was pretty easy, 14 was a
little tougher, but 15 is the worst so far.
In some ways she is very immature, in that she is trying to live the
childhood she feels she was jipped out of by her parents. In other ways
she has understanding of certain things that I know some adults haven't
even figured out yet. She's a walking paradox.
I am very glad that she's sooooo incredibly social because it really
does keep her out of our hair a lot. If she were a homebody, we'd have
serious problems! Haha!
Vicki Robinson
:BTW Anne, SO's trying, he really is. But, he said today that if she
:doesn't apologize, she's grounded for the weekend. I'd rather just let
:it be and let the natural consequences of her apologizing or not happen
:as they will.
:
:Any ideas?
:
What are natural consequences for not apologizing? She never has in
the past; have there been natural consequences? If there have been,
she's tolerating them well.
I think that SO does need to step in here, but I think the grounding
shouldn't be for not apologizing, it should be for treating you and
your daughter as her private punching bag. After all, grounding her
for not apologizing is teaching her that she can be as rude as she
likes, as long as she apologizes afterwards.
The requirement to make an apology is a consequence of the bad
behavior. If the apology doesn't happen, then SO has to step in with
some other consequence.
Vicki
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jane lawrence
>
>
> However, Anne is right. SD is NOT sorry. She thinks she has every
> right to take her anger out on and hurt (*continuously*) the very people
> she is supposed to love and who love her back. It happens, and I accept
> that, and do it a lot myself. But, to try and convince yourself it's
> your right to do that? No.
I guess I misunderstood your post. I thought you were talking
about the apologizing per se. What you are really concerned
about is her lack of remorse. Is that right?
jane
jane lawrence
>
> BTW Anne, SO's trying, he really is. But, he said today that if she
> doesn't apologize, she's grounded for the weekend. I'd rather just let
> it be and let the natural consequences of her apologizing or not happen
> as they will.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> responds)
>
what she has said or done. I think there's a lot of "How would
you feel if someone did/said that to you?" involved. SD fumes,
steams, and justifies her actions, swearing that she would
*like* it if someone called her an idiot in front of her
friends. If BD (12) is the perp, I take her aside and talk it
out. This may or may not be followed by an apology in word or
act.
In addition to that, if one of the kids is majorly out of line,
then whoever is there handles it. Storming off after reprimand
is fairly standard for my SD. BD sulks. Both are annoying.
I'd prefer the natural consequences route over grounding, too.
It's easier for me. I don't have to enforce anything.
jane
jane lawrence
>
>
>
> What are natural consequences for not apologizing? She never has in
> the past; have there been natural consequences? If there have been,
> she's tolerating them well.
>
pissed off at another. The specifics vary, of course.
Reclaiming clothes from each others rooms (girls). Refusing to
drive people places (me). Watching golf (DH). Basically, the
angered person doesn't do the extra things that they would want
to do if the other person hadn't been so damned inconsiderate.
Is this unhealthy? It sure works for us.
jane
ELD
long the same lines. That *I've* gotten to a point of being sick and
tired of her treating me that way, me having little recourse in these
situations, and basically her getting away with it. I don't want her to
get away with it anymore, but I think that's beyond what I have control
over.
If I can at least get her to think about it in hindsight, I think that's
a start for someone to understand the consequences their words and
actions have on other people.
Again, she may already understand this, and may have no remorse. It's
scared me to think of how she treats her mother and is proud of it. It
really makes me wary.
But, all I can do is let her know I expect more (which I did through the
little speech I made to her this morning) and diminish any favours
depending on how strong my feelings are. If she's royally pissed me
off, she won't get rides or anything.
But, DAMN ME, I went out today and bought her a toiletry that's a bit
hard to find in stock around here. I found it, and bought it. I'm an
idiot.
ELD
it's abnormal, but apparently it's not.
Anyone else relate?
ELD
jane lawrence wrote:
> This is what we do: DH takes SD (16) off and talks to her about
> what she has said or done. I think there's a lot of "How would
> you feel if someone did/said that to you?" involved. SD fumes,
> steams, and justifies her actions, swearing that she would
> *like* it if someone called her an idiot in front of her
> friends. If BD (12) is the perp, I take her aside and talk it
> out. This may or may not be followed by an apology in word or
> act.
Your 16 yo SD's reaction sounds like my SD's. It is soooo good to hear
that SD is not a totally isolated incident. Doesn't make it any more
fun though.
I am usually the one to have the "how would you feel if..." talks with
SD, usually because I'm just here more often than SO. Either she freaks
similarly to your SD, or else she goes totally blank like she's in a
coma, stares at the wall or any other inanimate object, and won't
respond to questions, etc. It's so damn aggravating, I've pretty much
given up meaningful conversation with her. It has gotten me nowhere up
til now, and if she refuses to even pretend like she's listening, well
why bother.
> In addition to that, if one of the kids is majorly out of line,
> then whoever is there handles it. Storming off after reprimand
> is fairly standard for my SD. BD sulks. Both are annoying.
Mmm hmm. We usually get the elephant stampede impression (grunting and
snorting and everything) all the way to the bedroom. The she "shuts her
door", which rattles the house.
> I'd prefer the natural consequences route over grounding, too.
> It's easier for me. I don't have to enforce anything.
>
> jane
I'm sort of there now too. I don't want to enforce anything, and I'm
sick of her getting grounded or something and always getting let off
early.
jane lawrence
>
>
>
> But, all I can do is let her know I expect more (which I did through the
> little speech I made to her this morning) and diminish any favours
> depending on how strong my feelings are. If she's royally pissed me
> off, she won't get rides or anything.
>
the way you should be treated. That, I think you can do. So
maybe I'm rethinking my earlier position. I suppose we set an
example not only in our treatment of others, but also in the
treatment we accept from others. If we allow our children to
disrespect us, then that is in a way endorsing their disrespect
for others. Hmmm.
> But, DAMN ME, I went out today and bought her a toiletry that's a bit
> hard to find in stock around here. I found it, and bought it. I'm an
> idiot.
That's okay. The time will come when you'll want to give it to
her.
jane
ELD
jane lawrence wrote:
>
> ELD wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > But, all I can do is let her know I expect more (which I did through the
> > little speech I made to her this morning) and diminish any favours
> > depending on how strong my feelings are. If she's royally pissed me
> > off, she won't get rides or anything.
> >
> I don't know. I think of that as setting limits, teaching her
> the way you should be treated.
But this is really the point of the situation. If I didn't have
personal limits as to how others treat me, it wouldn't even be a
problem. She knows what my limits are in this case, and she knew a long
time ago. It's a matter of respect. I really do feel like I've earned
her respect in many ways, but I can't force her to respect me. That's
her decision. But, dammit, respect or not, I demand that she at least
ATTEMPT to treat me with some courtesy or politeness.
That, I think you can do. So
> maybe I'm rethinking my earlier position. I suppose we set an
> example not only in our treatment of others, but also in the
> treatment we accept from others. If we allow our children to
> disrespect us, then that is in a way endorsing their disrespect
> for others. Hmmm.
Yes, not only am I trying to inform her of my personal expectations (and
let her make her choice accordingly) of how I would like to be treated
(which is not hard to do, I really don't ask much), I am also trying to
set an example that she really should try to treat anyone with courtesy
and politeness.
It's a value I personally hold, but one society tends to smile upon as
well.
>
> > But, DAMN ME, I went out today and bought her a toiletry that's a bit
> > hard to find in stock around here. I found it, and bought it. I'm an
> > idiot.
>
> That's okay. The time will come when you'll want to give it to
> her.
>
> jane
Damn me again. I stuck it on top of the pile of stuff she needed to go
through when she got home.
She saw it and said "THANK YOU! I LOVE YOU!"
*grumble* did I mention that she's a walking, talking paradox??
Jennaii
money. Whatever SD asks for, the answer is no.
>Around here the natural consequences are one of us being royally
>pissed off at another. The specifics vary, of course.
>Reclaiming clothes from each others rooms (girls). Refusing to
>drive people places (me). Watching golf (DH). Basically, the
>angered person doesn't do the extra things that they would want
>to do if the other person hadn't been so damned inconsiderate.
>Is this unhealthy? It sure works for us.
"This time: gonna do it RIGHT!" -- Bob Seger
Jennaii
Jennaii
deserved it.
When her attitude and actions shape up, give it to her to show good behavior
gets rewarded every now and then...
>But, all I can do is let her know I expect more (which I did through the
>little speech I made to her this morning) and diminish any favours
>depending on how strong my feelings are. If she's royally pissed me
>off, she won't get rides or anything.
>
>hard to find in stock around here. I found it, and bought it. I'm an
>idiot.
>
>
Jennaii
like an ass once in a while (me included.)
These days I get up, announce loudly "ok, I don't have anything nice to say, so
I am not going to say ANYTHING!" Then I storm out of the room. (Unfortunately
I usually return and make an ass of myself anyway. But I do have enough good
sense to apologize afterwards .)
>It is soooo good to hear
>that SD is not a totally isolated incident. Doesn't make it any more
>fun though.
"This time: gonna do it RIGHT!" -- Bob Seger
Jennaii
Cindy Martin
>Yes, I do not at all understand her lack of remorse. I tend to think
>it's abnormal, but apparently it's not.
>
>Anyone else relate?
If you remember earlier this summer, my SS (13) was thrown out of Six Flags
for shoplifting the second time using the brand new season's pass we'd
bought him. When I made him write something (to be honest, I don't remember
what) all he said on the subject of Six Flags was he'd done it and he really
didn't want to listen to what everyone was telling him but he had no choice.
How's that for absolutely no remorse?
What scares me is that his grandparents don't apologize, his dad would
rather be shot than apologize (remember, this is a man who swears up and
down if I didn't make him so mad, he wouldn't be throwing me around) and
neither does the SS.
I think if any one of them actually did apologize to me, I'd have a heart
attack!
Sian Lee Reid
> Damn me again. I stuck it on top of the pile of stuff she needed to go
> through when she got home.
>
> She saw it and said "THANK YOU! I LOVE YOU!"
>
> *grumble* did I mention that she's a walking, talking paradox??
Erin, have you read _Get out of my Life! But first could you drive me and
Cheryl to the Mall?_ They've got your SD nailed...
Sian
Anne Robotti
I've read ALL your posts and this is the first one I can remember where
you mentioned abuse, because if you had I would have been on it like
flies on sweet ice cream. I had no idea this was going on, WHEN are you
moving out of there? The next time he touches you, CALL THE POLICE. I
don't care if it's just to "throw you" or hit you or whatever it is. And
let him know now, tonight, that you're going to do it the next time he
lays a hand on you. If you're leaving in December you have nothing to
lose.
Anne
jane lawrence
>
> Yes, I do not at all understand her lack of remorse. I tend to think
> it's abnormal, but apparently it's not.
>
> Anyone else relate?
I don't think it's abnormal. I don't think I was much different
as a teen. There was no point in apologizing. It wasn't my
fault my little sister was such a pest and my parents were such
jerks. They understood nothing. Of course I lost my patience
with them! I see a lot of that in the teens I deal with now,
too.
IIRC, you work all this stuff out with "real" people, your
friends. SD has friends, right? I think a lot of these lessons
are learned within peer groups. Not that you shouldn't have
standards at home, too.
Incidentally, if my SD said, "Thank you. I love you!" after a
spat, that could easily be her way of apologizing. The best my
nephew does is being noticeably less obnoxious for a while. In
fact, bizarre as it sounds, I know that my status is high with
him when he tries to pick a fight with me. While I can't say
that I'm honored to be included among the people he treats like
dirt, I do see that like many teens, he's worst to those he
loves.
So I don't think your SD's behavior is "abnormal" at all.
jane
Dana
Dana
ELD <erin...@vaxxine.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> jane lawrence wrote:
> > This is what we do: DH takes SD (16) off and talks to her about
> > what she has said or done. I think there's a lot of "How would
> > you feel if someone did/said that to you?" involved. SD fumes,
> > steams, and justifies her actions, swearing that she would
> > *like* it if someone called her an idiot in front of her
> > friends. If BD (12) is the perp, I take her aside and talk it
> > out. This may or may not be followed by an apology in word or
> > act.
>
>
> Your 16 yo SD's reaction sounds like my SD's. It is soooo good to hear
> that SD is not a totally isolated incident. Doesn't make it any more
> fun though.
jane lawrence
>
> Ok, all of this sounds like my SD. Only problem....she is only 4!
>
>
14-15.
jane
Dana
Dana
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ELD
came in and said "I'm sorry I was such a bitch to you the other night,
but I'm NOT apologizing to [my daughter] because she starts it!" I said
"Thank you, and I know [biodaughter] is annoying, but try to just bite
your tongue or something. The more you react to her, the more annoying
she will get."
And I do know she's trying. Later on that morning she went downstairs
and BD was down there already. I heard BD start in on her right away,
and SD kept her cool and just kept telling her "That's enough." She did
pretty good. Hope she can keep her head on a little more in future.
After SD left for school BD felt bad and said she wanted to apologize.
So this afternoon when we were all together, BD said she was sorry to
SD, and I asked her what she was sorry for, and she remembered and
explained it.
So, this has passed. In future I will not have the talk with her again,
which will still give her the choice to apologize or not. We'll see if
things improve. She's having a rough go at things, but jeez, if she's
going to constantly take it out on BD and me, she'd better learn to
somehow make amends.
ELD
I'll have to borrow it :)
(Gee, I wonder how different I was from SD then...)
ELD
some firm standards.
Olga
to the BM, but I lost my nerve...
Jennifer
Merrie
Merrie
ELD <erin...@vaxxine.com> wrote in message
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jane lawrence
>
> This morning I was plunging the toilet in my pyjamas (yippee) and SD
> came in and said "I'm sorry I was such a bitch to you the other night,
Great!
jane
Anne Robotti
this exchange and are happy with the way she handled it? Never too
late to go up there and tell her so.
Anne
Kevin W
Kevin
Kevin W
Kevin
In article <37F55111...@worldnet.att.net>, Anne Robotti says...
ELD
encouragement department.
Today she asked for money from SO. He actually told her no, that he'd
be more inclined to say yes if she were keeping up with her chores.
I was so proud of him!
Anne Robotti
Anne