School registration
nancy g.
> Hi!
>
> Is anyone familiar with registering a child for school in Indiana? More
> specifically, middle school?
>
> My husband's ex wife sent us a form that has to be notarized that she lives
> at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been in
> Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a form.
> The cause for concern is that the address given by her on the form is not
> the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little concerned
> about the purpose of notarizing the form.
>
> Any ideas?
Well (disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, and I don't even play one on TV), my
first thought is that this sounds awfully suspicious.
I've registered my kids for a couple of different schools, and none of them
have required my ex to sign *anything*, let alone provide any kind of notarized
statement. And why should they? I live in this town, and therefore I am
registering my children for school in this town. What possible reason could
there be for me needing something signed by my ex-husband telling them that
I live here? More to the point, why would they need him (he doesn't live in
this town) to tell them that? Wouldn't they have other, more efficient ways
of finding out?
If I were in your shoes, there's no way I would ever sign that document.
If the ex is claiming that the school requires it for some reason, I would
first get in touch DIRECTLY with the school and see if it's true that they
need it. If they do, then you can decide what to do about signing it.
It sounds more to me as if she might need this notarized statement for some
other, unrelated purpose -- although I haven't the slightest idea what that
purpose might be.
Another thought (and I admit this isn't exactly appropriate behavior): Could
you sign the form, but cross out the address that's there and instead write in
the one where you believe she actually lives?
And yet one more thought (I think this is the last one): I don't know how
often you have contact with the boy or how open you are about discussing matters
like this with him, but would it be possible to ask -- not "what is your mother
trying to pull here?" or anything like that, but maybe "We have some forms that
need to be signed for your school, and they have your address written down as
123 Main Street. Is that a mistake?" If you can make it sound like just a casual
inquiry, you might find out something.
Let us know what happens. I'm curious.
nancy g.
Wakanyeja Makah
>Keith L. E. Phillips wrote:
>
>> Hi!
Hello!
>> Is anyone familiar with registering a child for school in Indiana? More
>> specifically, middle school?
Yes. I live in Indiana (near Bainbridge) and I have a son in the third
grade and a son in middle school (6th grade).
>> My husband's ex wife sent us a form that has to be notarized that she lives
>> at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been in
>> Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a form.
This is the first year that my husband and I have had to sign these forms
as well (for both boys). It is something new. If my sons bio-dad were
involved in their lives (which he is not...his decision...) I would be
required to have him sign paperwork as well (which would have to be
notarized). It has something to do with a case that is pending against a
school in the State where a child was abducted by a NCP (gone..disappeared)
and the school had let that parent pick the child up without any form of
identification (..we used to be pretty relaxed here) or an OK from the CP.
Everyone jumped on the band-wagon and now you have to have reams of
paperwork to show all is legal and above board.
>> The cause for concern is that the address given by her on the form is not
>> the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little concerned
>> about the purpose of notarizing the form.
Hmmmm...have you considered calling and bringing the address discrepancy to
her attention. If your is like ours (can't be done) I would simply draw a
line through the address and replace it with the correct address.
>> Any ideas?
Breathe easier. This is new in Indiana.
We were kind of shocked to see it too. Sad what it has came to.
W. Makah
(..in the middle of a cornfield in Indiana..)
janelaw
>
> Keith L. E. Phillips wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > specifically, middle school?
> >
> > at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been in
> > Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a form.
> > the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little concerned
> > about the purpose of notarizing the form.
> >
I don't have the original post.
It sounds to me like BM is trying to register SS outside their
district. The notarization of residence is a standard school
device to ensure that only actual residents of the district go
to its schools.
Maybe BM wants SS to attend Middle School A, although she lives
in the Middle School B district. Maybe she thinks it is a
better school.
Just a thought.
Prosperina
notarizing an address that we are not familiar with. This form would not
have any thing to do with trying to apply for gov't assistance? It would not
be unlikely that she would try to say that she doesn't receive any child
support.
It's too weird.
P.
Wakanyeja Makah wrote in message <35f66491...@news.tds.net>...
>
>>Keith L. E. Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>
>Hello!
>>> Is anyone familiar with registering a child for school in Indiana? More
>>> specifically, middle school?
>
>Yes. I live in Indiana (near Bainbridge) and I have a son in the third
>grade and a son in middle school (6th grade).
>
>
>>> My husband's ex wife sent us a form that has to be notarized that she
lives
>>> at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been
in
>>> Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a
form.
>
>This is the first year that my husband and I have had to sign these forms
>as well (for both boys). It is something new. If my sons bio-dad were
>involved in their lives (which he is not...his decision...) I would be
>required to have him sign paperwork as well (which would have to be
>notarized). It has something to do with a case that is pending against a
>school in the State where a child was abducted by a NCP (gone..disappeared)
>and the school had let that parent pick the child up without any form of
>identification (..we used to be pretty relaxed here) or an OK from the CP.
>Everyone jumped on the band-wagon and now you have to have reams of
>paperwork to show all is legal and above board.
>
>>> The cause for concern is that the address given by her on the form is
not
>>> the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little
concerned
>>> about the purpose of notarizing the form.
SoccerStepMom
>
> nancy g. wrote:
> >
> > Keith L. E. Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > specifically, middle school?
> > >
> > > at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been in
> > > Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a form.
> > > the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little concerned
> > > about the purpose of notarizing the form.
> > >
Probably so, but she needs to go through channels, and not get the Dad
involved in perjury. Some public schools officially accept "transfer"
students who are out of the district if they have room. We had this
option if we had moved into the house I was living in prior to my
marriage.
On the other hand, some desirable schools are full and adding trailers
just to keep up with demand from growth within the district. In these
situations, housing and rental prices within those desriable districts
are higher for comparable properties, simply because of the
attractiveness of the schools.
I know we passed on our dream house because the schools were awful and
we would not be able to get the kids in the exccellent schools one
district over. Instead, we paid more for less house to get in the right
school district. I would be very angry if I found out someone was
forging their home address to make it appear that they lived in our
district when they did not.
Just my thoughts. SSM
Merrie
welfare agency. My step-son's bio mom once called and asked for their
social security numbers and my husband didn't ask her what she wanted
them for. At the time he felt, she's their mother she has a right to
know but I was concerned that she would sign them up for wlefare - even
though she wasn't entitled to any because she didn't have primary
custody of them. Well, she did sign them up and here in CA if a parent
is receiving assistance then the District Attorney goes after the other
parent for child support - in amounts based on the other parent having
zero visitation time - in other words the maximum amount.
Since this collection department has heard every excuse in the book
they simply don't believe the "but we have custody!" reason and want to
collect first and sort it out later...
The upshot for us was that we retained an attorney who managed to get
the DA to hold off on us, get the welfare department to investigate.
The investigator went to the schools and talked to teachers, our
dentist, doctors and neighbors. Fortunantly, our one son had a daily
calendar that had been signed every day by his Dad and teacher (bio-mom
had signed it once writing "you need to get the three dollars for the
feild trip from the Dad because it's his day..."). Many of us were
called to testify for the state in their case against the bio-mom and
were paid to do so. Their mother collected for 11 months. It cost us
about 5K for the attorney and who knows how much for the state.
I think it all could have been avoided if he had only mentioned to her
that she can't put them on welfare because since she doesn't have
custody she's not eligible. If he had only mentioned it maybe she
wouldn't have done it, then again maybe she would have anyway.
Merrie
Prosperina wrote:
>
> That's interesting, and thanks for the info. I still would be uncomfortable
> notarizing an address that we are not familiar with. This form would not
> have any thing to do with trying to apply for gov't assistance? It would not
> be unlikely that she would try to say that she doesn't receive any child
> support.
>
> It's too weird.
>
> P.
> Wakanyeja Makah wrote in message <35f66491...@news.tds.net>...
> >
> >>Keith L. E. Phillips wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi!
> >
> >Hello!
> >>> Is anyone familiar with registering a child for school in Indiana? More
> >>> specifically, middle school?
> >
> >Yes. I live in Indiana (near Bainbridge) and I have a son in the third
> >grade and a son in middle school (6th grade).
> >
> >
> >>> My husband's ex wife sent us a form that has to be notarized that she
> lives
> >>> at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been
> in
> >>> Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a
> form.
> >
> >This is the first year that my husband and I have had to sign these forms
> >as well (for both boys). It is something new. If my sons bio-dad were
> >involved in their lives (which he is not...his decision...) I would be
> >required to have him sign paperwork as well (which would have to be
> >notarized). It has something to do with a case that is pending against a
> >school in the State where a child was abducted by a NCP (gone..disappeared)
> >and the school had let that parent pick the child up without any form of
> >identification (..we used to be pretty relaxed here) or an OK from the CP.
> >Everyone jumped on the band-wagon and now you have to have reams of
> >paperwork to show all is legal and above board.
> >
> >>> The cause for concern is that the address given by her on the form is
> not
> >>> the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little
> concerned
> >>> about the purpose of notarizing the form.
nancy g.
> That's interesting, and thanks for the info. I still would be uncomfortable
> notarizing an address that we are not familiar with.
(snip bunches and bunches of stuff, just to save some space)
One thing I do know about the comments going back and forth in this thread ...
because although I said jokingly earlier that I am not a lawyer and don't
even play one on TV, it happens that I *am* (well, OK, since my commission
has long since expired, I guess technically I have to say that I *was*)
a notary public.
When you get a document notarized, the *ONLY* thing that means is that the
notary (the person who does the notarizing) has seen you sign the document
in their presence and that they can confirm that you are YOU. The actual
*content* of the document is NOT what is being notarized. If you brought me
a document to be notarized that said "the moon is made of green cheese" then
I would still notarize it, and it would be perfectly legal ... as long as you
were signing your *own* name to it, and that you had proved to me that it *was*
your own name.
Which is another reason why I'm suspicious of this document that the bio mom
wants bio dad to sign. If he signs a document that says "bio mom lives in
the White House" and has it notarized, the only thing that proves is that he
is really the person he claims to be when he signed the document. It does not
imply ANYTHING, legally, about where bio mom actually does live.
The school district may be attempting to cover themselves against claims
of assisting in parental kidnapping (as explained by another poster in this
thread) but in my (non-legal) opinion, the particular document requested
wouldn't help their case one bit.
> It's too weird.
I completely agree.
nancy g.
Dean Barker
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > specifically, middle school?
> >
> > at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has been in
> > Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a form.
> > the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little concerned
> > about the purpose of notarizing the form.
> >
Am I missing something? Why doesn't your husband just ask her whats
going on?
-Dean
Prosperina
the bio-mom has been going to college on a single mother poverty level
school program. The reason we do not ask her directly is the fact that she
is abusive and down right hateful. We have as little contact as possible.
We know that the bio-mom has been going to college on a single mother
poverty level school program. She works as a bartender and has a prior
history of not filing taxes. That's what makes me suspicious of the
document.
Also, I find it interesting that only your name is verified and not the
address for this type of document, i.e. relating to school district, to be
notarized. Anyway, wouldn't a copy of the divorce papers suffice?
P.
nancy g. wrote in message <35F6D192...@tiac.net>...
janelaw
you could collect AFDC for kids you don't have custody of.
janelaw
Actually, this varies a lot by state. I was surprised to find
that notarization is a completely different thing in California
than it is in Massachusetts. Here, the notary takes your
testimony that the content of the paper is true. You swear
under oath and pain of perjury. The document is admissible in
court.
nancy g.
(snip of me explaining what I was allowed to do or not allowed to do
in my position as a notary public here in Massachusetts)
> Actually, this varies a lot by state. I was surprised to find
> that notarization is a completely different thing in California
> than it is in Massachusetts. Here, the notary takes your
> testimony that the content of the paper is true. You swear
> under oath and pain of perjury. The document is admissible in
> court.
Wow. I'm surprised to find that too, although as I think about it,
I don't really know why I'm so surprised, since there are so many
other things that we know vary greatly from one state to another ...
Anyway, I appreciate the heads-up, and from now on I'll be careful
to point out that having something notarized can vary depending on
which state you're talking about.
Actually, knowing that clears up some confusion I've had whenever I'd
see detectives/police/lawyers on TV making a fuss over whether or not
documents had been notarized. There were times when I'd wonder why on
earth they were making such a big deal of it ... now I know it *can* make
a difference.
Hope I didn't mislead anyone with my earlier statements. Then again,
if they're actually trying to follow legal advice that they get from a
Usenet newsgroup ... they've got a bigger problem than any of us could
solve for them! (grin)
janelaw
>
> janelaw wrote:
>
> > I don't know BM, but you would have to be pretty dumb to think
> > you could collect AFDC for kids you don't have custody of.
>
> order granting you custody, so all you have to do is present it, and
> until the Dad presents the overturning document - or the State does a
> records check - you have your proof. Believe me, my husband's ex has
> been waving that old document around herself... SSM
Well, your case is a little different. You have that whole BPD
thing going on. Even without the money, she seems to have some
need to prove that she is still the primary caregiver. I bet
she thinks of the current custody decree as a ridiculous
temporary situation (brought on by your vicious lies). BTW,
does she still try to be a stay at home mom to the kids who live
with you?
Prosperina
checks is only a few blocks from the school. The address she gave on the
form is nearly across town, and how can she keep the same phone number?
P.
SoccerStepMom wrote in message <35F6A0...@hotmail.com>...
>janelaw wrote:
>>
>> nancy g. wrote:
>> >
>> > Keith L. E. Phillips wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi!
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone familiar with registering a child for school in Indiana?
More
>> > > specifically, middle school?
>> > >
>> > > My husband's ex wife sent us a form that has to be notarized that she
lives
>> > > at a particular address and is responsible for their son. She has
been in
>> > > Indiana for five years and this is the first time we have seen such a
form.
>> > > The cause for concern is that the address given by her on the form is
not
>> > > the one that we send checks to which makes us a more than a little
concerned
>> > > about the purpose of notarizing the form.
>> > >
>> > > Any ideas?
>> >
Merrie
> I don't know BM, but you would have to be pretty dumb to think
> you could collect AFDC for kids you don't have custody of.
She is pretty dumb, but she managed to collect for 11 months.
Merrie
Merrie
>
> janelaw wrote:
>
> > I don't know BM, but you would have to be pretty dumb to think
> > you could collect AFDC for kids you don't have custody of.
>
> order granting you custody, so all you have to do is present it, and
> until the Dad presents the overturning document - or the State does a
> records check - you have your proof. Believe me, my husband's ex has
> been waving that old document around herself... SSM
I always assumed that she didn't have a document... She also filled
out some applications (rental ? credit card?) listing her name as her
previous married name (her former husband, my spouse as opposed to her
current husband of the past few years) and my address (which she never
lived at) and phone number. Didn't find out for a couple years later
when someone called our home looking for her. I worried a little bit
about a stolen identity kind of thing, but I don't know what she could
get away with so I've just let it go.
Merrie
Prosperina
custody and have no intention of signing any document otherwise. We pay for
the privilege dearly and who is she to falsify addresses and expect us to go
along with it for whatever reason?
P.
Merrie wrote in message <35F9C6...@pon.net>...
>>
>> I don't know BM, but you would have to be pretty dumb to think
>> you could collect AFDC for kids you don't have custody of.
>
>
Pat Winstanley
<soccer...@hotmail.com> writes
>janelaw wrote:
>
>> I don't know BM, but you would have to be pretty dumb to think
>> you could collect AFDC for kids you don't have custody of.
>
>order granting you custody, so all you have to do is present it, and
>until the Dad presents the overturning document - or the State does a
>records check - you have your proof. Believe me, my husband's ex has
>been waving that old document around herself... SSM
It often surprises me how many 'official' things demand inside out and
upside down proofs, while others with similar impact just need an
unsupported signature or even a simple phone call! ;-))
--
Pat Winstanley