My room always had an open door policy to my children, but since Barclay
moved in they are asked to knock or see things they may not want to.
However, they do come in and out to use the ensuite shower room. Eventually
I plan to remodel the bathroom so they have a shower in the main bathroom
which they can use.
> The reason I ask is this. I am a fairly private person, in that I
don't
> like anyone messing around on my desk, personal dresser space, things like
> that. My SS will come in our bedroom and pick up everything and not put it
> back like it was. "What's this? What do you do with it? Can I have it?"
My girls borrow my clothes, Barclay's hairdryer, shampoo, etc. It can be
irritating, especially if they don't put them back, but to some extent this
is a family home and we share things.
My
> DH and I will close the bedroom door sometimes because SS has his tv on a
> little loud and will try to catch a nap. "Hey!
A likely story.
What are you doing? Can I
> come in?" It never fails. If I walk from one room to get something and try
> to turn and go right back I run into him.
> This is not a child that has nothing to do. He has a tv, dvd, and
> computer in his room. Along with the usual teenage (13 year old) stuff. I
or
> DH will be on the phone and he will ask, "Who is that? Who are you talking
> to??" and get louder and louder about it.
> EVERY time we have a visitor, doesn't matter who, it could be the
cable
> man, SS has to show him EVERYTHING he got for Christmas and anything else
he
> considers cool. SS always interrupts when others are speaking. We say hold
> on or the like and he replies "I'm just gonna tell you this first!"
You know it sounds like he's lonely. TV, DVDs, computers don't talk back.
> We have tried talking to him about these things. It does not work. Am
I
> just being petty about this? I'm not used to what I feel is great
> disrespect. I would never treat someone like that.
How much of the time is he at your house?
Wendy
We have a No Kids Allowed policy in our bedroom.
>DH will be on the phone and he will ask, "Who is that? Who are you talking
>to??" and get louder and louder about it.
My standard issue answer to that would be, "None of your business. If there is
anything you need to know, I will let you know."
>Am I
>just being petty about this?
I don' think so? You say this kid is 13? This behavior sounds a little young
to me. Do you thinkk he is doing this stuff to try to get attention for some
reason?
~~Geri~~
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we had a rule that if the door was open, she could come in, but if it was
closed, she had to ask/knock...and we were also pretty clear that just like
she didn't want people messing with her things, neither did we...worked
pretty well...:)
>If I walk from one room to get something and try
> to turn and go right back I run into him.
> This is not a child that has nothing to do. He has a tv, dvd, and
> computer in his room. Along with the usual teenage (13 year old) stuff. I
or
> DH will be on the phone and he will ask, "Who is that? Who are you talking
> to??" and get louder and louder about it.
ok, but what else does he do besides watch tv and play on the computer?
> EVERY time we have a visitor, doesn't matter who, it could be the
cable
> man, SS has to show him EVERYTHING he got for Christmas and anything else
he
> considers cool. SS always interrupts when others are speaking. We say hold
> on or the like and he replies "I'm just gonna tell you this first!"
> We have tried talking to him about these things. It does not work. Am
I
> just being petty about this? I'm not used to what I feel is great
> disrespect. I would never treat someone like that.
i don't think he's doing it to be disrespectful....i think he might be kinda
oblivious to ya'lls room being yours and therefore private, but otherwise-he
sounds like a tagalong....what does he do after school or on the weekends?
Jess
LOL!! Really!
> What are you doing? Can I
> > come in?" It never fails. If I walk from one room to get something and
try
> > to turn and go right back I run into him.
> > This is not a child that has nothing to do. He has a tv, dvd, and
> > computer in his room. Along with the usual teenage (13 year old) stuff.
I
> or
> > DH will be on the phone and he will ask, "Who is that? Who are you
talking
> > to??" and get louder and louder about it.
> > EVERY time we have a visitor, doesn't matter who, it could be the
> cable
> > man, SS has to show him EVERYTHING he got for Christmas and anything
else
> he
> > considers cool. SS always interrupts when others are speaking. We say
hold
> > on or the like and he replies "I'm just gonna tell you this first!"
>
> You know it sounds like he's lonely. TV, DVDs, computers don't talk back.
>
I guess he could get lonely at times, but when he's not with us talking to
us he is on the phone, or with the neighborhood kids.
> > We have tried talking to him about these things. It does not work.
Am
> I
> > just being petty about this? I'm not used to what I feel is great
> > disrespect. I would never treat someone like that.
>
> How much of the time is he at your house?
>
He is with us for good now. He has been here for a little over a year now.
> Wendy
>
>
Wanda
I tried that but he ignores it.
>
> >DH will be on the phone and he will ask, "Who is that? Who are you
talking
> >to??" and get louder and louder about it.
>
> My standard issue answer to that would be, "None of your business. If
there is
> anything you need to know, I will let you know."
I also tell him it's none of his business and he tells me that I know he's
nosy and he's proud of it.
>
> >Am I
> >just being petty about this?
>
> I don' think so? You say this kid is 13? This behavior sounds a little
young
> to me. Do you thinkk he is doing this stuff to try to get attention for
some
> reason?
He may be doing it for attention. I don't understand why though. But I'm not
13 anymore either.
Wanda
What would ADD have to do with anything? I was told he was diagnosed with
it when he was very young. But that was all I ever heard. Oh yeah, he was
taken off the meds because he got violent at school.
Wanda
ALL he really wants to do is watch tv. And look at nearly naked bathing suit
models. : ) He does not have what I see as Close friends. He has a cousin 2
years younger that he says he is "tight" with. They talk on the phone a lot.
He does have friends that he talks to and he is on the church basketball
team. On the weekends he is at his mother's or his grandmothers house. One
weekend a month he stays home.
Wanda
ADD would have a lot to do with a lot of things. It
is difficult to keep a list of rules in your head
when you have ADD (or at least I've found it's so
with our daughter.) Not impossible, but difficult.
What ends up happening with our daughter a lot of
the times is that the last 'rule' that is mentioned
is what is stuck in her head. She's trying soooo hard
to do or not do the last thing that she heard, that
the rule mentioned before or the one before that is
pushed to the background. She is in third grade now
so we are now 3 1/2 years into the same morning rou-
tine, day after day after day, and she has just re-
cently been able to maintain that routine without
reminders from me.
And, sometimes, the butterflies are just so pretty
and the fun she's having chasing them is so much that
there's not room for anything like rules in her mind. :)
Tracey
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>We have tried talking to him about these things. It does not work. Am I
>just being petty about this? I'm not used to what I feel is great
>disrespect. I would never treat someone like that.
>Ok, there it is. Opinions??
Any time I've run into that with *any* child, mine or anyone else's,
it's been because at that point in time the child was feeling a great
need for attention. We get that a lot with YS when he comes back from
his BF's house. We also get that with OS or YD whenever old issues
start coming up for one of them.
Maybe you could try scheduling daily bits of time that are dedicated
just to paying attention to him, what's going on with him, doing
things with him, etc?
Kitten
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>"Geri and sometimes Brian" <gple...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
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>> > I would like to know what some of the rest of you here on the board
>> >think about children coming and going in the parents bedroom?
>>
>> We have a No Kids Allowed policy in our bedroom.
>
>I tried that but he ignores it.
>
We had a period where we really had to stay on the kids about not just
walking into our bedroom. Making them walk back out and stand outside
the door, waiting until I decided to ask them why they wished to be in
there worked... after a while.
>
>>
>> >DH will be on the phone and he will ask, "Who is that? Who are you
>talking
>> >to??" and get louder and louder about it.
>>
>> My standard issue answer to that would be, "None of your business. If
>there is
>> anything you need to know, I will let you know."
>
>I also tell him it's none of his business and he tells me that I know he's
>nosy and he's proud of it.
>
How about "jokingly" doing the same thing to him every time he gets on
the phone.
>
>>
>> >Am I
>> >just being petty about this?
>>
>> I don' think so? You say this kid is 13? This behavior sounds a little
>young
>> to me. Do you thinkk he is doing this stuff to try to get attention for
>some
>> reason?
>
>He may be doing it for attention. I don't understand why though. But I'm not
>13 anymore either.
Have you tried asking? Sometimes that works. Not always, but
sometimes.
>
>
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>> I must say if my 11 year old son had a computer in his room I would NEVER
>> see him lol........he'd kiss my feet! We have rules about the computer in
>> this house. It's in the front room where we can monitor what the 15 and
>11
>> year old are doing (usually games), but it's just my opinion that your 13
>> year old does sound bored, needs some friends to come over and play with
>> him. Either that or he might have attention deficit disorder..just my 2
>> cents.
>>
>
>What would ADD have to do with anything?
Not a lot, really. Folks with AD/HD (whichever variety) *are* quite
capable of learning manners. It can sometimes be more difficult, and
it often takes a lot more work on the part of the parents, but AD/HD
is *NOT* an excuse to be ill-mannered.
And my parents really were wrapping Christmas presents in July.
> I guess he could get lonely at times, but when he's not with us talking to
> us he is on the phone, or with the neighborhood kids.
Some personalities seem to need contact with others all the time. I,
myself, was always a bit of a loner, read book worm, as a child. My older
daughter never spends a minute by herself, unless it's doing her makeup to
go out. My younger daughter is more solitary. We don't pick our
personalities, we're born with them to a large extent.
At least he seeks you out and wants to spend time with you and talk to you.
It could be so much worse if he didn't.
> He is with us for good now. He has been here for a little over a year now.
A year in the life of a child can seem like a long time, but really it's
early days and relationships and routines are still forming. Get a lockable
box for things you really can't bear to share.
Wendy
My son has ADHD and was almost precisely like you describe your 13yr
old SS, right down to just about every detail you mentioned (except
for meds making him violent, which wasn't a reaction he had). He still
is like that in a lot of ways, although at 17, he's
more likely to be on the phone with his friends (while chatting on the
computer, watching TV and playing music at the same time) than wanting
to talk with me.
Deb R.
Install a lock.
>I also tell him it's none of his business and he tells me that I know he's
>nosy and he's proud of it.
What does his dad do about this?
This is so true. We get compliments on SD's manners quite often when we are
out and about. She has them because we took the time and effort to teach them.
(Although it sounds as though she pretty much blows them off when she gets to
her mom's house.)
I realize this. I'm glad that he wants to spend time with me. I like to be
with him too. Just not quite so underfoot all the time. The only time he
tries to get away is when it's time to study for school work. : ) He beats a
hot trail then!
Wanda
His dad shakes his head and tells him it's nothing to be proud of. That's
about it. He seems to have some kind of need to Know everything that's going
on in the house. Maybe some kind of control thing? Maybe it makes him feel
safe? Maybe he's just very nosy? I don't know.
Wanda
I would like to do this in a constructive way. If I spend any more time with
him now though he will have to go to the bathroom with me. : ) Something
that I find kind of odd that he does, but not so much as when he first came
here, if he walks into the room with me or his dad he will say "Hi Wanda,"
or "What are you doing?" Even if he left not 30 seconds ago. Not really all
that bothersome, but kind of strange when it happens five times in a short
period of time.
Wanda
jane
>Wanda
>>Not a lot, really. Folks with AD/HD (whichever variety) *are* quite
>>capable of learning manners. It can sometimes be more difficult, and
>>it often takes a lot more work on the part of the parents, but AD/HD
>>is *NOT* an excuse to be ill-mannered.
>
>This is so true. We get compliments on SD's manners quite often when we are
>out and about. She has them because we took the time and effort to teach them.
> (Although it sounds as though she pretty much blows them off when she gets to
>her mom's house.)
It irritates the daylights out of me when someone says about a rude
person, "Oh, he can't help it. That's just how he is. <whisper> He
has ADD. </whisper>."
Hellooo! *I* have AD/HD. My son has AD/HD. A huge number of folks
in my family have it. There are things people let their kids get away
with in public these days that would have horrified my family if I'd
tried when I was a kid. I make a huge effort to teach my children to
be courteous.
Apparently it's working. People complement the kids' manners when we
go out. We've got really good kids with huge hearts. Yes, to me
they're challenging as all get out, but they're good kids.
>
>"Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <kit...@whitepine.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Any time I've run into that with *any* child, mine or anyone else's,
>> it's been because at that point in time the child was feeling a great
>> need for attention. We get that a lot with YS when he comes back from
>> his BF's house. We also get that with OS or YD whenever old issues
>> start coming up for one of them.
>>
>> Maybe you could try scheduling daily bits of time that are dedicated
>> just to paying attention to him, what's going on with him, doing
>> things with him, etc?
>
>I would like to do this in a constructive way. If I spend any more time with
>him now though he will have to go to the bathroom with me. : )
LOL... I can understand that. But what kinds of things do you do when
you spend time with him? How much of it is spent on negatives (don't
do this, you shouldn't do that, etc), how much on neutrals (just being
in the same room without any interaction), and how much on positives
(tell me about your day, what an interesting way of looking at
things!, etc)? This is something I really have to watch.
One of the things OS used to do that annoyed the heck out of me, even
though I understood it as an indicator that he was trying to get close
to me, was that he'd come up behind me and start rubbing my back. He
doesn't do that so much any more, but I hope that it's because he's
matured enough to not have to constantly touch me to make sure I'm
there rather than being put off by my reactions to it. I tried really
hard not to react badly when he'd do that, but kids sometimes have a
funny way of reading people.
>Something
>that I find kind of odd that he does, but not so much as when he first came
>here, if he walks into the room with me or his dad he will say "Hi Wanda,"
>or "What are you doing?" Even if he left not 30 seconds ago. Not really all
>that bothersome, but kind of strange when it happens five times in a short
>period of time.
YS does that sometimes. It's usually when he's needing to feel close
to someone, to be involved with what they're doing. He's the youngest
in the house. The older boys exclude him a lot. The girls are girls,
so he doesn't want to hang out with the *too* much.
I'll trade you one who spends too much time being angry because his
father dropped him off here at our house and hasn't kept in contact or
made any effort to help support him for your continually questioning,
nosy one. [j/k] The nosiness is easier to handle than is the anger.
How about giving him some sort of negative consequence every time he does it,
like a chore or something like that? Or you can go the other direction and
ignore the behavior that you don't want to happen and give him positive
reinforcement for when he is leaving you alone.
This would be my SD's mom.
What Wendy said about some people needing interaction, that's important.
Did you ever spend any time with monitors? Or lemurs? Some people are like
that. They're not like us. We usenet people - and I'm going by my recollection
of a remark Vicki made years ago - are more likely to be introverts.
Do you think he needs companionship on a completely different level than you
do? Because if that's the case, he might not understand that you need time in
isolation. The whole concept might be foreign to him. Have you tried
explaining it to him?
I live near a good zoo, so I'd take him to see the pandas and the lemurs and
explain that I was a panda and he was a lemur. But in a pinch I'm sure I could
make the same point with cats and dogs.
jane
You said he has a computer. Why not set him a task to do, like some
research on the internet when you want a few minutes on your own? Like
planning a trip, and researching all the things to do where you are going -
the history, the culture, etc. And after the trip, he could make a scrap
book/album of the whole thing, photos, ticket stubs, pamphlets, etc.
Or maybe you could explore some hobbies he might be interested in. Deb's
sone does photography. My BIL built model trains and now has a business
building them for other people.
Wendy
>Do you think he needs companionship on a completely different level than you
>do? Because if that's the case, he might not understand that you need time in
>isolation. The whole concept might be foreign to him. Have you tried
>explaining it to him?
>
My son (who sounds a lot like this particular SS of Wanda's) once told
me that the absolute worst punishment I could give him was to isolate
him in his room. I think he fears being disconnected from other
people. Where I enjoy being by myself, to him it's torment.
Deb R.
my sis is like that-isolate her, and she goes nuts....:)
Jess
Geri, I *knew* there was a reason I remembered getting along so well with
you! Our policy is pretty much the same.
Lori
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No, I have not tried explaining it to him. I thought it would just go in one
ear you know. I guess I'll try it anyway! There are several people that
have talked about lonely, companionship and that sort of thing. They may
have a good point. I have never needed much company. In fact, I enjoy my
alone time very much. I hope this has not somehow come out in a way that has
made him feel like I don't want him at all! That may be making him clingy as
he is trying to make me like him? I know he knows I love him. I tell him and
do my best to show him. I'll have to think about this one.
>
> I live near a good zoo, so I'd take him to see the pandas and the lemurs
and
> explain that I was a panda and he was a lemur. But in a pinch I'm sure I
could
> make the same point with cats and dogs.
>
> jane
Wanda
You mean he really CAN learn to not smack and chew with his mouth open at
the table!!
Wanda : )
Same here. And with our son we have also the additional issue of F.A.S., so
figure what you deal with when it comes to AD/HD, then multiply it by at
least 10 or 20. And then we have SS, who at the least is ADD, maybe AD/HD,
is extremely oppositional, attaches too easily to anyone and everyone, is
inappropriate when it comes to personal boundaries, (and then wonder why
mom, who by her own admission has no patience) cannot handle him. But we
work very hard with both of them when it comes to behavioral expectations,
manners, etc, and we are frequently complemented as a result. I had both
boys with me in the dollar store (love those places!), and by the time we
got to check out, an older lady was kind enough to tell me how impressed she
was that they were so good, and obeyed me throughout the store. and dollar
stores are *hard* for kids, too! :-) But they know that they won't go with
me at all if they don't obey the rules when in a store. They did well. :-)
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Yep. Its been done.
What if any Bible studies have you done lately?
Have you read Purpose-driven life?
Just curious. I did The Search for Significance this year and it was
very powerful. I have been praying for a Bible study partner for a
while, and hoped I had one but I haven't heard from her again. I had
really hoped to start soon. I do have another one but we have done a
couple books, and our church just started a Celebrate Recovery
ministry (I'm the worship leader!) so we have been concentrating on
those books.
With hope and heart,
Kathleen
Email me Lori!
With hope and heart,
Kathleen
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>I did mean that to be an email.
>::blush::
>
>Email me Lori!
When you email her, copy me! I was doing great with "Through the Bible
in One Year" and loved it, and I have two Beth Moore studies hanging
around here somewhere too.
If you're looking for a study buddy I'd love to get back into it.
Anne
I've got the book and am purchasing enough of the journals for the
entire family. It's going to be our evening class for a bit.
After that, we're planning to start the booklet that goes with the
Mennonite confirmation.
Kitten
: I have bought The Purpose Driven Life and so far how found it to be
an
: excellent book......money well spent....really makes you think.
:
: Christina
:
: > > What if any Bible studies have you done lately?
:
:
Chewy's concern with The Purpose-Driven Life is the translation used
in the first chapter. He found that particular translation to be a
bit, uhm, bizarre. I figure that we can deal with it by making sure
we have our own translations (a KJV and an Aramaic translation) on
hand as we do the book with the kids.
Kitten
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: > I liked it too, and consider it a "keeper". You know, the kind