Kids and Migraines
Sharyn & Karl
This weekend when we picked up the kids we were told to give Trav Claritin
(sp) to prevent him from getting migraines. Of course the note also said
that his allergies were acting up. We didn't have any problems with him
complaining of a headache, no signs of allergies (as their doctor had
explained to me earlier this yr when Tosh showed up with a box of Claritin
for her allergies. The doctor told Karl and I that the med was only to be
used on an as needed basis, whereas BM said to give it to her every day).
But...
Trav had some cat scans done in the past few weeks, and BM said they came
out fine. But that the doctor said for him to take the Claritin every day to
avoid the headaches. Because of the deal this summer, and not being able to
reach the doctor to talk to him/her directly, we didn't give it to him. He
did not complain once about having a headache. Trav was talking with my
sister this weekend and told her that BM had given him *HER* sleeping pills
because he was unable to sleep. From what my sister could gather she did
this quite regularly. Trav said the pills made him sleepy and he sleeps alot
now. Could that be why she is giving them to him? He didn't and hasn't ever
showed signs of allergies.
Is there any websites that you would explain possible causes of migraines in
kids Trav's age (he just turned 8) and what can be done for them other than
an allergy medication.
Thanks for any help you can give me. I am going to start looking for the
information myself on the web but thought I had seen a discussion recently
about children with migraines on here.
Sharyn
Sian Lee Reid
<Kittens...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Thanks for any help you can give me. I am going to start looking for the
> information myself on the web but thought I had seen a discussion recently
> about children with migraines on here.
>
Sharyn,
My SD, who is now 10, has complained of severe headaches since at least
age 5. I have been encouraging DH to encourage BM to take her to the
chiropractor the entire time I've known them.
Finally, early this fall, BM *did* take SD to the chiropractor! And, lo
and behold, we're now making some progress on the headaches!
When I hear of headaches in young children, the order in which I generally
try to rule things out are: dehydration (make sure the child is
consistently getting lots of fluids), blood sugar (make sure they're
eating healthy, non-sugary items every three or four hours when they're
awake), fatigue (make sure the child is sleeping enough), back and neck
problems (have them checked by a chiropractor) and allergies (see an
allergist). If none of those produce a credible 'cause' for the
headaches, then it's time to explore other venues with a specialist.
I too would balk at an instruction to give a child antihistamines every
day without a MUCH fuller explanation.
Sian
Someone
vision problems which can cause problems, and a chiropractor to rule out
scoliosis or other back/neck problems. I have a friend whose 15 year old
son was getting severe headaches and was missing a lot of school because of
it. Sure enough, he had scoliosis.
Sian Lee Reid <slr...@alfred.carleton.ca> wrote in article
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: In article <OeERBVXR$GA.259@cpmsnbbsa02>, "Sharyn & Karl"
:
Carl & Renee
Hey Sharyn,
My Alex (11) gets severe headaches... he exhibits signs of light
sensitivity, etc., and all the other classic signs of migraines - which they
could be, as I developed them when I was his age, as did my oldest...
however, he also has allergies and gets sinus headaches so bad it's hard to
tell them from migraines... he cries hard with both. We did take him to the
allergist, as his allergies seemed to have no rhyme nor reason to them...
found out he's allergic to dust and dust mites... and ME - queen of the dust
bunnies as his mother! Poor child probably thinks I've been trying to kill
him! Anyway, my advice is to get a hold of the prescribing doctor.... or
have DH do it if there's a confidentiality issue, which there shouldn't be,
but....
Anyway, should Trav start to suffer from a severe headache in your company,
you could try what we try... get him to lie down in a dark room...put a cool
cloth on his forehead and just let him be still... oh, we also give Alex an
adult tylenol, which really seems to do the trick.
I'm more concerned that BM is "sharing" her sleeping pills... are they
prescription or some homeopathic remedy? I will sometimes use valerian
root or melatonin but I don't think I'd ever give Alex one...that's a pretty
scary situation as you describe it.
Migraines can be hereditary... is there a family history? Also Sian's
suggestion of a chiropractor is good too - for allergies as well as
migraines! They've always worked for me.
Take care - it's hard, but you can get through this.
Renee
Sharyn & Karl
Trav does, on occasion, complain of a headache. Especially when its time to
go home, or in the summertime, when its time to talk to his mother. When we
first heard that she was taking him into a specialist, we at first thought
that she was going to try to pull something to make it look like Karl was
the reason, so she could stop visitation. She has already tried this on
several occasions, with CPS, and all those people.
But I will let Karl see what you wrote and let him decide what to do. It is
so strange that both kids are having allergy problems. This summer Tosh was
suppose to take them every day. When we contacted the doctor, she told us
that Tosh needed them on an as need basis. So that led to Karl not giving
them to him. I personally have a real problem with them taking meds for
things that doesn't seem necessary. And then the deal with the sleeping
pills just made that all the more clear. I won't give them any meds unless
Karl and/or I talk to the doctor for the exact dosage and what they are for.
Or in the case of nonaspirin type meds that they may need.
Thanks for the information again.
Sharyn
Sian Lee Reid <slr...@alfred.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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Jennaii
Let me make sure I have the situation right:
The children are always fine when they are with you. When they are with her
they have allergies, migraines and sleeplessness? And she keeps them medicated
ALL the time?
Sounds fishy to me.
>Can someone tell me where to find some information on kids and migraines?
>This weekend when we picked up the kids we were told to give Trav Claritin
>(sp) to prevent him from getting migraines. Of course the note also said
>that his allergies were acting up. We didn't have any problems with him
>complaining of a headache, no signs of allergies (as their doctor had
>explained to me earlier this yr when Tosh showed up with a box of Claritin
>for her allergies. The doctor told Karl and I that the med was only to be
>used on an as needed basis, whereas BM said to give it to her every day).
>But...
>Trav had some cat scans done in the past few weeks, and BM said they came
>out fine. But that the doctor said for him to take the Claritin every day to
>avoid the headaches. Because of the deal this summer, and not being able to
>reach the doctor to talk to him/her directly, we didn't give it to him. He
>did not complain once about having a headache. Trav was talking with my
>sister this weekend and told her that BM had given him *HER* sleeping pills
>because he was unable to sleep. From what my sister could gather she did
>this quite regularly. Trav said the pills made him sleepy and he sleeps alot
>now. Could that be why she is giving them to him? He didn't and hasn't ever
>showed signs of allergies.
>Is there any websites that you would explain possible causes of migraines in
>kids Trav's age (he just turned 8) and what can be done for them other than
>an allergy medication.
>
>information myself on the web but thought I had seen a discussion recently
>about children with migraines on here.
>
>Sharyn
"This time: gonna do it RIGHT!" -- Bob Seger
Jennaii
jane lawrence
>
> Can someone tell me where to find some information on kids and migraines?
> This weekend when we picked up the kids we were told to give Trav Claritin
> (sp) to prevent him from getting migraines. Of course the note also said
> that his allergies were acting up. We didn't have any problems with him
> complaining of a headache, no signs of allergies (as their doctor had
> explained to me earlier this yr when Tosh showed up with a box of Claritin
> for her allergies. The doctor told Karl and I that the med was only to be
> used on an as needed basis, whereas BM said to give it to her every day).
All I know is that during certain seasons I take allergy
medication prophylactically, every day, to prevent headaches.
I did find this at drkoop:
Q: What causes migraine?
A: The cause is not known, though about half of all migraine
sufferers have
another member of the family who has similar headaches.
Sometimes, there
is an association with certain foods, such as chocolate, cheese,
or cured
meats, suggesting an allergy. The initial symptoms result from a
narrowing of
the blood vessels that supply the brain, followed by an
expansion that
produces the headache.
jane
Sharyn & Karl
isn't right, when the kids have to stay medicated all the time.
But what do I know?
Sharyn
Jennaii <jen...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I think your BM is a hypochondriac.
> Let me make sure I have the situation right:
> The children are always fine when they are with you. When they are with
her
> they have allergies, migraines and sleeplessness? And she keeps them
medicated
> ALL the time?
> Sounds fishy to me.
>
> >Can someone tell me where to find some information on kids and migraines?
> >This weekend when we picked up the kids we were told to give Trav
Claritin
> >(sp) to prevent him from getting migraines. Of course the note also said
> >that his allergies were acting up. We didn't have any problems with him
> >complaining of a headache, no signs of allergies (as their doctor had
> >explained to me earlier this yr when Tosh showed up with a box of
Claritin
> >for her allergies. The doctor told Karl and I that the med was only to be
> >used on an as needed basis, whereas BM said to give it to her every day).
Sharyn & Karl
but I am not related.
Like I said before Trav only complains of a headahce when its time to talk
to, or visit his mother in the summer time. The rest of the time he is a
typical child. In fact, I think he is imo, healthier than most kids I know.
It just seems he is always sick in the past few years. I don't know if that
is the case or not. But it sure seems that way. Those two kids are yet to
have a visit to where they are not bring some sort of medication that they
are supose to be taking. Doesn't that in itself sound strange?
Sharyn
Carl & Renee <heds...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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jane lawrence
>
Those two kids are yet to
> have a visit to where they are not bring some sort of medication that they
> are supose to be taking. Doesn't that in itself sound strange?
Actually, no. Kids seem to come with a lot more medicine than
they did when we were kids. With antihistamines,
antidepressants, inhalers, those asthma machines, braces,
contacts, adderal, paxil, and NSAIDs, sometimes I get the
feeling I need a medical degree just for sleepovers. I don't
know if it's overmedication or just better medical knowledge,
but things are different than they used to be.
jane
Tracey
writes:
>I don't
>know if it's overmedication or just better medical knowledge,
>but things are different than they used to be.
Well, I'll be tactful for once and not say what *I* think it is <grin>.
But, I will say this: When we started at our pediatrician this fall,
I took both kids in for a physical and a 'getting to know you' call.
The ped took the envelope with the kids' medical records in it
and said 'Oh, BTW, we'll need to send off for a copy of their med-
ical records.' I said 'You've got the copy in your hand.' She was
shocked because both kids' fit easily in one envelope and didn't
even bulge it. It had their height and weight charts, their shot
records, and two visit sheets for the chicken pox and one for a neur-
ologist for our daughter. I just shrugged and said 'That's it.' She
smiled and said 'Well, I won't be seeing *them* very often, will
I?' I laughed and said 'No, and when you *do*, they're going to be
*really* sick so watch out!'
Tracey
jane lawrence
>
> this is making me mad...my posts aren't showing up as being posted until
> like 2 days after I actually wrote and "sent" them...grrr....computers and
> the internet make me mad!
Judging from the answer pattern, I think a lot of people aren't
getting messages promptly.
jane
Sharyn & Karl
I don't know how to fix it. I just know that it is an every time thing. I am
just so frustrated I can't see straight. Karl tried to call the doctor that
is his regular doctor, and she hasn't seen him since May 13, and she has
*never* treated him for the headaches. The doctor told Karl that BM changed
doctors around that time and couldn't tell him who they were seeing. But
that she hadn't referred him to a specialist. So I don't know. I guess it
will have to wait until we get into court to find out what is going on.
Sharyn
I will look at these websites and see what they have to say though. Thank
you!
Melissa Torresan <sm...@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:56:54 -0500, "Sharyn & Karl"
> <Kittens...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Well I have been saying that for the past 4 and a half years. That
something
> >isn't right, when the kids have to stay medicated all the time.
> >But what do I know?
>
> I hate to suggest this - and it's probably way out there - but could
> it be Munchausen by proxy? It's the kind of thing you'd want to be
> pretty sure about before saying anything about it to anyone..
>
> Here's a definition of it for you, and a few links if you want to look
> into it further..
>
> Munchausen by Proxy (MBP) - also called Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy,
> Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome, and
> Factitious Disorder by Proxy - is a dangerous form of maltreatment in
> which caretakers exaggerate and/or fabricate
> and/or induce physical and/or psychological-behavioral symptoms and/or
> illness in others. The primary purpose of
> this behavior is to gain attention, including some form of internal
> gratification, for themselves.
>
> The above definition comes from :
> http://www.mindspring.com/~louisalasher/definition.html
>
> http://www.msbp.com/
>
> http://www.bcpl.net/~agravels/
>
> There's plenty more out there.. if you want more info let me know..
> and remember, I'm probably way off base..
>
> Mel
>
> >Sharyn
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Melissa Torresan
> sm...@crosswinds.net
> "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley!"
> ---------------------------------------------------
Someone
like 2 days after I actually wrote and "sent" them...grrr....computers and
the internet make me mad!
Someone <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in article
<01bf45ab$e6cecd20$dfd7...@pc.vaxxine.com>...
: Visit your doctor to rule out the "obvious". An optometrist to rule out
: vision problems which can cause problems, and a chiropractor to rule out
: scoliosis or other back/neck problems. I have a friend whose 15 year old
: son was getting severe headaches and was missing a lot of school because
of
: it. Sure enough, he had scoliosis.
:
: Sian Lee Reid <slr...@alfred.carleton.ca> wrote in article
: <slreid-1312...@192.0.2.1>...
: : In article <OeERBVXR$GA.259@cpmsnbbsa02>, "Sharyn & Karl"
: : <Kittens...@email.msn.com> wrote:
: :
: : > Thanks for any help you can give me. I am going to start looking for
: the
: : > information myself on the web but thought I had seen a discussion
: recently
: : > about children with migraines on here.
: : >
: : Sharyn,
: :
:
Bella Donna
Sharyn & Karl <Kittens...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for any help you can give me. I am going to start looking for the
> information myself on the web but thought I had seen a discussion recently
> about children with migraines on here.
>
> Sharyn
>
>
Carl & Renee
That would bother me a lot! The kids always showing up with medications.
DH's daughter always has a cold when she comes... but that's not a biggie...
Do you dare not medicate them with they are with you? Perhaps you could
have a pharmacist look at the "drugs" and let you know what they're for,
etc...
This one is a stumper for me!
Hangin' in there with you!
R.
Sharyn & Karl
We know that they are Clartins. They show up in a foil sealed packet type
thing. As for medicating them, nope. Not until one of us speak to the
doctor. So far we haven't been able to talk to this one so nope, not until
then. Both of them showed up this time with really nasty coughs, no mention
of these to us. Of course, I didn't expect her to say anything to us either.
Well it really bothers the GAL, too. That woman confuses me so bad
sometimes. She makes me think that yeah, she is going to go with our side
then she turns around and says something to make me think different. Last
visit her exact words were to get a counselor lined up. Well why would I
line up a counselor when we don't know when they will be here for sure.
Luckily I have one from a couple summers ago and she has agreed to take them
on again. But she has no weekend office hours so she hasn't been able to see
them since '98. But we are ready for them to be seen whenever they are here
and she is available.
Sharyn
Carl & Renee <heds...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Anne Haas
>them since '98. But we are ready for them to be seen whenever they are here
and she is available.
Sharyn,
First of all, I haven't been following this thread, so if the following has
been suggested, please forgive me. But a coule of ideas struck me.
1) Does the therapist take appts. late on Friday's or would she be willing to
a couple times of month? A lot of therapists are willing to work out some sort
of arrangements. If she can't/won't, maybe she can recommend someone who will
do late hour appointments or even has Saturday office hours.
2) Can y'all pick up the kids from school on Fridays & take them straight to
the therapist?
Anne H.
"To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might
be the world."
Sharyn & Karl
I hadn't thought of the Sat appt thing. I will have to check into that with
her. And as far as a late Fri appt it would have to be real late as we live
in another state 4 hours from them. So it wouldn't be possible to get them
back here in time to see someone on Fri nights. GOod idea had we not lived
in another state. I will call and check with Lisa (their couselor) and see
what she has to say on Monday.
My whole thing with it is what is she trying to tell us here. That she
believes we might get custody or what? Somethng else she pointed out was
that we (Karl and I) need to read her written report real close. Why would
she say that? Of course, we usually DO read things that have to do with
*this* case real close. It affects our lives for a long time to come.
Sharyn
Anne Haas <asta...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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