Fishy fishy fishy...
mtsg
So, I was reading about DA and JU "unmasking" the will0 at
"alt.rec.books" and I wondered, *why* would DA have been
there? So I checked and via Google found the group in fact is
rec.collecting.books and that Diane is *still*, alas, the pot
calling the kettle black -- and so is Jennifer.
Yes, I find will0 rather reprehensible but how does one
justify stalking hir across usenet merely to shout hir down
and "expose" where in fact sie was actually behaving hirself?
Such a dirty business!
And then the anon troll posts which rather obviously are the
same troll we see here start showing up at r.c.books,
heckling wiil0.
IOW Diane and/or Jennifer is/are the anon trolls.
Well...
******Nice going, dipshits!******
WTF is the matter with you two?
Well, I just wish I could say I was more surprised...
And will0, this in no way justifies your crap so don't try it.
I'm just providing this little warning:
DianeArons, JenniferUsher, & WillowArune are all birds of a
feather. Don't trust any of them, they are all netstalking
kooks!
mtsg
Sue
"mtsg" <mt...@spamme.not> wrote in message
news:20060612144851...@spamme.not...
This is the way it is...
JU Diane and the like have fortunately slipped up over the years to show us
who the trolles are.
Whatt i don't get, is why carry on a fude like this.
Why not walk away. I asked two of the three involved and got the same
answer.
That answer led me to believe that two of the three are OCD Sadly one was a
long time friend. I have had to walk away from that friendship because i
can't deal with people who hold a grudge for more then 24 hours.
It is my belief that anybody who holds a grudge for longer then a day has
serious mental illness and should get help as soon as possiable.
the other issue involves all three of them, they believe they have to cram
transsexisum down the throts of those of us who don't identify as
transseexual.
The Three of them are a discredit to those of us who have worked hard to
find ourselves and get on with life.
I am so tired of JU,.WA, and D along with AJ LC and company.
They all belong on Jerry Springer Because they are incapable of living a
NORMAL WELL ADJUSTED LIFE.
NONE OF THEN CAN FUNCTION IN NORMAL SOCIETY.
You all make me sick to my stomach.
Sue
>
>
>
>
>
mtsg
"Sue" <s...@where.org> wrote:
> The Three of them are a discredit to those of us who have
> worked hard to find ourselves and get on with life.
>
> I am so tired of JU,.WA, and D along with AJ LC and company.
> They all belong on Jerry Springer Because they are incapable
> of living a NORMAL WELL ADJUSTED LIFE.
> NONE OF THEN CAN FUNCTION IN NORMAL SOCIETY.
I don't know much about AJ or LC, but regarding "our three"
that appears to be the bottom line.
I suppose the stalking and trolling is a smokescreen which
keeps them from dealing with their own very real issues, but
it seems what they are really doing is attacking others who
remind them of themselves, IOW acting out their self-loathing.
Sad.
mtsg
Sue
"mtsg" <mt...@spamme.not> wrote in message
there has been no stalking
the two who make cliams of being stalked are just plain mentally ill.
otherwise you hit the nail on the head.
S
>
Jennifer Usher
>
> So, I was reading about DA and JU "unmasking" the will0 at
> "alt.rec.books" and I wondered, *why* would DA have been
> there? So I checked and via Google found the group in fact is
> rec.collecting.books and that Diane is *still*, alas, the pot
> calling the kettle black -- and so is Jennifer.
Okay, all I would ask is that you get the facts straight...unless I have
responded to a crosspost, I have not posted there in some time.
> Yes, I find will0 rather reprehensible but how does one
> justify stalking hir across usenet merely to shout hir down
> and "expose" where in fact sie was actually behaving hirself?
> Such a dirty business!
Okay, I don't know why Diane did what she did, but let me clue you in as to
how I came to be in that newsgroup. I knew NOTHING about what Diane had
done until Billy Boy posted a message here about it. Here is that message:
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From: "Willow Arune" <arune1...@shaw.ca>
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Subject: Bad News For Usher
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I fear I have some bad news for Usher.
I view Usher and Diane as one and the same. Earlier today, Diane stalked me
to another group to which I belong. She posted her normal crap and the
members of the group soundly rebuffed her - that nonsense does not travel
well outside of this ugly NG. She posted the nonsense and every member of
the other group basically told her to go fly a kite - or worse.
Now, let us return to Usher...
I was going to hold off on this, noting that nothing had happened Monday and
thinking perhaps that Usher has come to her senses. With her partner's
antics, I no longer feel so lenient. So, unless Usher has totally
denounced Diane and sent me a private post confirming (if true) that Usher
has not been a co-participant with Diane on this little venture, along with
some other bits and pieces of which I shall advise her, the shoe is dropped
on Usher tomorrow. As some of you know, this is an especially uncomfortable
shoe.
Diane, all you really did in respect of the other group was show yourself to
be an idiot. We know that already but now others do - and so stated. You
have also managed to get Usher in more trouble, which I am certain she
really appreciates. Usher, your posts are unblocked now and I would suggest
you get in touch privately real soon.
TTFN,
Willow
--
Hugs,
Willow
Now, after that, I searched on Google, found what group Billy Boy was
talking about, and paid him a visit there. I don't take kindly to his
threats, and no, I was not hit by any falling shoes.
> And then the anon troll posts which rather obviously are the
> same troll we see here start showing up at r.c.books,
> heckling wiil0.
>
> IOW Diane and/or Jennifer is/are the anon trolls.
> Well...
Sorry, I cannot speak for Diane, but I am not the anonymous troll. In fact,
I am usually his victim.
> ******Nice going, dipshits!******
>
> WTF is the matter with you two?
I am kind of wondering that about you. Since you don't know all the story,
I am cutting you some slack on this. I paid a brief visit to that group,
ONLY after Billy Boy's post above. I don't stalk. Personally, I did not
agree with Diane's doing it, and would have stayed out if not for Billy
Boy's attempt, again, to bully me.
> Well, I just wish I could say I was more surprised...
> And will0, this in no way justifies your crap so don't try it.
>
> I'm just providing this little warning:
> DianeArons, JenniferUsher, & WillowArune are all birds of a
> feather. Don't trust any of them, they are all netstalking
> kooks!
No, I just respond to bullies by doing exactly the opposite of what they
demand. Again, I don't think Diane should have bothered Billy Boy off of
this group. Shoot, I would prefer he find somewhere else to direct his
time and energy. But when he posted the above...well, can you really blame
me?
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> the other issue involves all three of them, they believe they have to cram
> transsexisum down the throts of those of us who don't identify as
> transseexual.
Since you made the effort to escape my kill file, I will take the time to
ask a simple, and rhetorical, question. If you don't identify as a
transsexual (which you cannot even spell correctly) then why are you
reading this newsgroup? Especially since you don't want the issue of
transsexualism (don't you know how to use a spell checker?) crammed down
your throat? I mean, you do realize that this is a newsgroup for
transsexuals who have had,or who are going to have, sex reassignment
surgery?
Now, in case your vocabulary is as bad as your spelling, a rhetorical
question means no answer is expected. It is intended to make you think.
Now, back to the kill file with you.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> I don't know much about AJ or LC, but regarding "our three"
> that appears to be the bottom line.
> I suppose the stalking and trolling is a smokescreen which
> keeps them from dealing with their own very real issues, but
> it seems what they are really doing is attacking others who
> remind them of themselves, IOW acting out their self-loathing.
> Sad.
I realize you don't have all the facts, so I will fill you in, again. This
all started when some of us refused to accept Billy Boy's claim that being
advised to have SRS because he was raped in a Thai prison was a NORMAL
reason for seeking surgery. He started attacking, and when we responded,
he started making threats against me. I don't take kindly to bullies. He
expanded his attempts to include some pretty nasty stuff, including
contacting my employer. So, if you think I have stalked him, well, I don't
know why you would think that. I left this group for a while, and he still
posted about me regularly. When I briefly dropped in, ONLY to acknowledge
something said about me, he again contacted my employer. When I got my
home account, I returned and started standing up to him again. Again, I
would never have bothered him in another group as long as I was not
mentioned by him. It was only when he posted that hilarious message that I
bothered posting to the book group, and I quickly left. If I have posted
there recently, it as in response to a crossposted message. I admit, I
don't always notice headers.
Please get your facts straight before attacking me. You are better than
that.
--
Jennifer Usher
diann...@gmail.com
> And then the anon troll posts which rather obviously are the
> same troll we see here start showing up at r.c.books,
> heckling wiil0.
>
> IOW Diane and/or Jennifer is/are the anon trolls.
Hmmmm... I guess that "fat drag queen" comments got to you though that
was unintentional.
It's difficult to know where to begin when one's opponent is at such a
low functioning level.
I can laugh at Will-O but in your case ...I just feel like putting a
few coins in your cup.
Your "net sleuthing" abilities nonwithstanding, let me point out that
I don't care what you think or believe the same way that I don't care
what the crackheads in the neighborhood next to me think. You're
wayyyyyy...below the radar, right.
The real person behind the anon postings (yeah, wonder who *that* can
be) attempts to sow paranoia amongst the dimmer bulbs amongst us. Your
light shines like a very dim beacon that calls to all such ilk. I'm
sure he's having quite the laugh at your expense.
And by the way, you utterly stupid bonehead, if I were to troll some
group anonomously I can assure that I would have more sense then to
post as myself in there. I know such an incredible feat of common
sense is hard to conceive of at your level but trust me "mable", it's
true.
Go take a pill "mable".
Better yet get SRS and try to become closer what you claim to be.
Diane
diann...@gmail.com
>Again, I don't think Diane should have bothered Billy Boy off of
> this group.
Rather disingenuous of you considering you emailed me (first time in
months) telling me about Bill's new adventures in the book newsgroups.
You advised me to take a look in there.
Jennifer - you and Bill are one in the same. Exactly one and the
same...it;s why I don;t call you or write to you. It's why *every*
stealth TS does thew same regarding you.
God.... just when you thought the place couldnt possibly get any worse
....
Jenniffer I leave you to:
Helen the Drag Queen
Bill the Big Drag Queen
"Mable" who'll get SRS "any day now" and lives (still?) a closeted
existance away from real men and women
Pauline - Ibid
Sue who pretended to be a woman for like three weeks until he got
caught.
That's it...that's the group...and Jennifer, make no mistake - they're
your peers.
Men in dresses .... can't live with them.... but I sure can live
without them.
<self-plonk>
Sue
Sue
>
>> the other issue involves all three of them, they believe they have to
>> cram
>> transsexisum down the throts of those of us who don't identify as
>> transseexual.
>
> Since you made the effort to escape my kill file, I will take the time to
> ask a simple, and rhetorical, question. If you don't identify as a
> transsexual (which you cannot even spell correctly) then why are you
> reading this newsgroup?
We all make mastakes Even You dear.I know that attacking me is easier then
attacking my position.
as to why i am here its to find people and get them the support they need
before you and others get hold of them and fill them full of that
transgender crap. and brain wash them into thinking they have to identify as
TS or even worse TG.
Especially since you don't want the issue of
> transsexualism (don't you know how to use a spell checker?) crammed down
> your throat?
sometimes you have to hit the Ghetto in order to do the needed salvation.
I mean, you do realize that this is a newsgroup for
> transsexuals who have had,or who are going to have, sex reassignment
> surgery?
Yes I do.
given that why do you refer to some here by their birth sex.
You don't like it when people do it to you.
mtsg
What you wrote makes no sense, "Dianne".
You just don't get it, all that vitriol and ad hominem doesn't
disturb me other than by showing me how very disturbed *you*
are. But that is old news to me and most everyone else I'm
sure.
Anyway, Jenn, you call this creature "Dianne" your
friend and that's really your problem -- I am done here. Y'all
have fun trolling, I reckon it's all you got. May you wake up
one day and choose to live, that's my parting word.
:)
Blessings,
mtsg
On 12 Jun 2006 19:01:47 -0700
Pangarune Corner
W.
"mtsg" <mt...@spamme.not> wrote in message
news:20060612144851...@spamme.not...
Pangarune Corner
When I arrived her, Usher was in full glory. I differ with her on many
issues. As with Andrea James, instead of talking of the issues, she decided
to use personal insults to prove whatever point Usher is trying to make.
Usher used the material, much of it distorted or outright lies, from Andrea
James to make her point - again and again. Included in this was the constant
use of my former name and gender. To me, that is an insult when directed at
any transsexual person (which can be spelt with one S or two).
I do not try to ram TSity down anyone's throat. In fact, my position is that
SRS is a truly last resort and that no one should elect that route if any
other is possible. Notwithstanding changes in our society, TSity can ruin a
life as well as enhance it.
Nor do I think anyone who differs on the theory of TSity, which is all we
have at this point, should be insulted and put down merely for that reason.
I have never tried to ram AG and Blanchard down any throat. I agree with
Blanchard, but don't give a damn if others do or not. I state my opinions,
and do not attack another personally until I have tried any other means.
Check the archives.
As to the Thai episode, distortion is an Usher tactic. That was indeed a
trigger, an event that caused me to focus on what I was and how I wished to
life my life. In common with many TS I find that there is an emotional
trigger that starts the road to transition. In my belief, the condition,
whatever it might be, exists before that trigger is pulled in a dormant
state. An extreme emotional event - divorce, retirement, change of life
pattern and more can be subjective triggers.
In an interview, there is no way to expand on reasons. A reporter goes for a
short version, missing the subtlies. There is a gloss for simplicity. Usher
has run with that for years now, ignoring that behind a simple statement
lies a mile of other factors. What Usher also ignores is that in my case,
TSity existed before the Thai episode. That is not just my opinion; it is
the opinion of at least three psychiatrists who approved me for surgery.
Usher does not wish to hear anything that counters Usher's preconception and
bias view. To repeat, for the hundredth plus time, I was not advised to seek
SRS due to being raped, but due to a diagnosis of TSity. That was an error
by the reporter dating back to one interview in 1997 or 1998. On that Usher
has founded a myth and repeated it endlessly.
A trip to the archives will show I did not attack. I stated my views and was
then attacked by others here due to supporting Blanchard. End of story. As
to being a bully, to Usher that means I object when Usher uses male names
and gender. I am legally Willow Arune and female. I do not think it is
bullying to ask that such be respected. Usher and Diane will not, and thus
the war was born and continued. If they ceased the instuls, the "bullying"
(as Usher calls it) would; stop.
Stalking me to the book collecting group was over the top.
-
Threats? Usher stated that Usher reported me to three police agencies and my
ISP many times. She complained to Yahoo about a group that she did not
belong to and have no involvement in, and which had three posts at that
time. Eventually I responded. As to her employer, I do not think that
anyone who will not respect the gender decision of any TG or TS should be
working in either nursing or in AIDS TG/TS work. Will Usher respect others
any more than me? I doubt it. Simply put, Usher got her job for SRS
payment.
The false claiming of victim status is a normal part of cyberstalking. Usher
uses it repeatedly, a lesson from the religious right.
That is enough. Is the ongoing warfare stupid? Yes. Is the constant use of
former names and gender insulting? Yes. Will Usher and Diane stop? No.
Willow
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> ote in message
news:E66dnWl_BrZ9hxPZ...@rcn.net...
Jennifer Usher
> I do not think it is crap to simply state I agree.
Well, I agree with Billy Boy that he is a netstalking kook.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Usher's version of the "facts" is - as usual, somewhat distorted.
This is just too funny....
> When I arrived her, Usher was in full glory. I differ with her on many
> issues. As with Andrea James, instead of talking of the issues, she
> decided to use personal insults to prove whatever point Usher is trying to
> make. Usher used the material, much of it distorted or outright lies, from
> Andrea James to make her point - again and again. Included in this was the
> constant use of my former name and gender. To me, that is an insult when
> directed at any transsexual person (which can be spelt with one S or two).
I mean, this is just TOO funny! Billy Boy arrived before Andrea James had
probably ever heard of him. Certainly before Michael Bailey's book was
published, before Billy Boy had ever heard of autogynephilia, before he
become Bailey's biggest fan, and before Andrea Jame's posted a single word
about him.
And leaving out an 's" has nothing to do with how Sue misspelled the word.
I mean, Billy Boy really needs to learn to understand stuff he reads.
> I do not try to ram TSity down anyone's throat. In fact, my position is
> that SRS is a truly last resort and that no one should elect that route if
> any other is possible. Notwithstanding changes in our society, TSity can
> ruin a life as well as enhance it.
Unfortunately, Billy Boy has no legitimate knowledge of transsexualism.
> Nor do I think anyone who differs on the theory of TSity, which is all we
> have at this point, should be insulted and put down merely for that
> reason.
I don't insult Billy Boy because he disagrees. I insult him because he is a
bullying male, who has tried, repeatedly, to force me to conform to his
standards.
> I have never tried to ram AG and Blanchard down any throat. I agree with
> Blanchard, but don't give a damn if others do or not. I state my opinions,
> and do not attack another personally until I have tried any other means.
> Check the archives.
Yes, check the archive, and you will find that this is just flat out a lie.
Billy Boy has attacked numerous people for disagreeing with him. He has
used sarcasm, mockery, and insults. Andrea James' web site was relatively
kind to Billy Boy before he started attacking her for doing such a good job
of refuting Bailey. I mean, it is hard to ignore that Billy Boy is a
complete kook, but he brought stuff on himself. And he has recently
admitted that he harassed Deidre McCloskey.
> As to the Thai episode, distortion is an Usher tactic. That was indeed a
> trigger, an event that caused me to focus on what I was and how I wished
> to
> life my life. In common with many TS I find that there is an emotional
> trigger that starts the road to transition. In my belief, the condition,
> whatever it might be, exists before that trigger is pulled in a dormant
> state. An extreme emotional event - divorce, retirement, change of life
> pattern and more can be subjective triggers.
In the past, Billy Boy admitted that he NEVER had any inclination towards
transsexualism, and had NO gender issues prior to his "rape" in Thailand.
It was not dormant, it simply did not exist. And what Billy Boy describes
is considered by experts to be a strong contraindication for SRS. This is
the sort of situation that competent therapists try to determine, and if
found, they do not approve SRS.
> In an interview, there is no way to expand on reasons. A reporter goes for
> a short version, missing the subtlies. There is a gloss for simplicity.
> Usher has run with that for years now, ignoring that behind a simple
> statement lies a mile of other factors. What Usher also ignores is that in
> my case, TSity existed before the Thai episode. That is not just my
> opinion; it is the opinion of at least three psychiatrists who approved me
> for surgery. Usher does not wish to hear anything that counters Usher's
> preconception and bias view. To repeat, for the hundredth plus time, I was
> not advised to seek SRS due to being raped, but due to a diagnosis of
> TSity. That was an error by the reporter dating back to one interview in
> 1997 or 1998. On that Usher has founded a myth and repeated it endlessly.
It is a bit absurd to suggest that a reporter somehow got the idea that a
therapist's suggestion that Billy Boy have SRS was the reason. I mean,
what Billy Boy is trying to claim is that a reporter effectively made
something up, and that it went unchallenged.
Let's look at how Billy Boy described the story three years ago, when he
first brought it up...the part in brackets is Willow's response to
something said by Diane:
------------------------------------------------------
I think you may be missing the obvious conclusion that this was all
related to the journalist by Willow hirself.
I doubt that the journalist ( or anyone else) would have known what
had transpired in a prison in Thailand unless Willow herself provided
in the details. The bit about the therapist suggesting transition as
a "cure" for the problems the prison rape brought up is something that
only could have been relayed by Willow as well.
Of course it is always possible that the journalist got things badly
screwed up but then one would not have expected Willow to so readily
point us to that article to verify things that she had said.
[The story is a bit confused, but basically true. I was in denial, as is
common. For convenience, I pointed to that which was on the Web, such being
independent from me in any way.]
------------------------------------------------------
The entire message is at:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.srs/browse_frm/thread/a98cafa0a9ab92b1/24af3d9e88beeab8?lnk=st&q=%22therapist+suggested+becoming+a+woman
%22&rnum=1&hl=en#24af3d9e88beeab8
Whoops, no denial of what the report said, not claim that it is totally
inaccurate...just a statement that story is a bit confused, but basically
true. Then it was basically true, not it is a total fabrication. Hmmmm, I
think we have a bit of a contradiction here.
> A trip to the archives will show I did not attack. I stated my views and
> was
> then attacked by others here due to supporting Blanchard. End of story.
> As to being a bully, to Usher that means I object when Usher uses male
> names and gender. I am legally Willow Arune and female. I do not think it
> is bullying to ask that such be respected. Usher and Diane will not, and
> thus
> the war was born and continued. If they ceased the instuls, the
> "bullying" (as Usher calls it) would; stop.
In another words, do what I say, or I will continue harassing and attempting
to harm you. That is pretty much a definition of bullying. Objection is
one thing, threatening harm is another.
> Stalking me to the book collecting group was over the top.
> -
> Threats? Usher stated that Usher reported me to three police agencies and
> my ISP many times. She complained to Yahoo about a group that she did not
> belong to and have no involvement in, and which had three posts at that
> time. Eventually I responded. As to her employer, I do not think that
> anyone who will not respect the gender decision of any TG or TS should be
> working in either nursing or in AIDS TG/TS work. Will Usher respect others
> any more than me? I doubt it. Simply put, Usher got her job for SRS
> payment.
No, I said I contacted one police department, after he threatened to out me
to the school I was attending. Taking an online argument into the real
world is over the top.
> The false claiming of victim status is a normal part of cyberstalking.
> Usher uses it repeatedly, a lesson from the religious right.
>
> That is enough. Is the ongoing warfare stupid? Yes. Is the constant use of
> former names and gender insulting? Yes. Will Usher and Diane stop? No.
A quick check of the archives will show this for the lie that is. When
Billy Boy leaves me alone, when he leaves the group, or at least when he
restricts himself to his inane and boring news posts, I ignore him. But he
cannot contain his obsession. He always has to start things up again. I
respond, but do not initiate the attacks. Shoot, I left for an extended
period, and he continued to regularly attack me in my absence. Will I stop
referring to him by male pronouns and such? Nope, that ship sailed a long
time ago. It sailed the day Billy Boy first threatened to take an online
fight outside the newsgroup. It sailed when he learned where I was going
to school, and threatened to out me to them if I did not stop. You see, I
don't obey bullies. I defy them. That is the only way they can learn to
stop being bullies. It's simple, Billy Boy doesn't want to be referred to
as what he is, a man, then he can stay away from me. Or, he can go on
trying to bully me, and face the consequences. Not a threat, just a matter
of defending myself. And the consequences are proportional to the extent
he tries to bully me. He wants to spew insults here, things can remain
here. He takes it into the real world...and well, let's just say that
would not be a wise move.
The bottom line is, Billy Boy is simply what he has always been...an
arrogant little man who is used to getting his way. Now that he can't, he
is determined he will stop at nothing to try to force others to give in.
He needs to face the facts...that is not going to happen.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Hmmmm... I guess that "fat drag queen" comments got to you though that
> was unintentional.
>
> It's difficult to know where to begin when one's opponent is at such a
> low functioning level.
>
> I can laugh at Will-O but in your case ...I just feel like putting a
> few coins in your cup.
Diane, this is uncalled for. I know this person, and she is nothing like
you describe.
> Your "net sleuthing" abilities nonwithstanding, let me point out that
> I don't care what you think or believe the same way that I don't care
> what the crackheads in the neighborhood next to me think. You're
> wayyyyyy...below the radar, right.
>
> The real person behind the anon postings (yeah, wonder who *that* can
> be) attempts to sow paranoia amongst the dimmer bulbs amongst us. Your
> light shines like a very dim beacon that calls to all such ilk. I'm
> sure he's having quite the laugh at your expense.
I strongly suspect at least one of the anonymous trolls is Julie Haugh's
brother. He harassed me in another newsgroup, and the anonymous troll
posts make reference to things said there. Also, the style is very similar
to his. Just a theory, but a strong one.
> And by the way, you utterly stupid bonehead, if I were to troll some
> group anonomously I can assure that I would have more sense then to
> post as myself in there. I know such an incredible feat of common
> sense is hard to conceive of at your level but trust me "mable", it's
> true.
I do wonder why you felt in necessary to harass Billy Boy in his book
collecting newsgroup. Shoot, if he wants to post there, instead of here,
more power to him. I don't like the guy, but as long as he is doing
something relatively harmless, why bother him?
> Go take a pill "mable".
> Better yet get SRS and try to become closer what you claim to be.
She made a mistake...at least where I was concerned. I really don't like
having to choose between friends. So cut her some slack. She is actually
a decent person.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> What you wrote makes no sense, "Dianne".
> You just don't get it, all that vitriol and ad hominem doesn't
> disturb me other than by showing me how very disturbed *you*
> are. But that is old news to me and most everyone else I'm
> sure.
I think you both need to chill, and not let Billy Boy divide and conquer.
> Anyway, Jenn, you call this creature "Dianne" your
> friend and that's really your problem -- I am done here. Y'all
> have fun trolling, I reckon it's all you got. May you wake up
> one day and choose to live, that's my parting word.
As I said, I don't like having to choose. No, I don't like everything she
does, and I don't always understand her choices. I've met her, and she is
not at all like that in person. As I said, I didn't troll. I responded to
a ridiculous post from Billy Boy.
--
Jennifer Usher
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"Sue" <s...@where.org> wrote in message
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"...because i
can't deal with people who hold a grudge for more then 24 hours."
"It is my belief that anybody who holds a grudge for longer then a day has
serious mental illness and should get help as soon as possiable."
Oh really? I suspect that you woudl have to include much of the population
in your diagnosis.
"the other issue involves all three of them, they believe they have to cram
transsexisum down the throts of those of us who don't identify as
transseexual."
I don't think so. You see, not knowing you - and not caring much - I have
no need to force anything down your throat. I state my opinions. You may
agree or disagree - that is your decision. It matters very little to me. In
fact, I learn from thsoe who disagree in a civil manner.
But the line is crossed when you start personal insults and attacks rather
than directing your thoughts to the issues. I do not care if you identify
as a moose!
W.
Pangarune Corner
"I mean, this is just TOO funny! Billy Boy arrived before Andrea James had
probably ever heard of him. Certainly before Michael Bailey's book was
published, before Billy Boy had ever heard of autogynephilia, before he
become Bailey's biggest fan, and before Andrea Jame's posted a single word
about him.
Let's see. Blanchard first wrote in 1985. I heard of the concept well before
1998. Andrea and I were on several lists together in 1997 or 1998. She may
have ben on TRANSGEN and certainly was on SNSC. Bailey reports on
Blanchard's concept, and makes litle if any new aditions.
" I insult him because he is a
> bullying male, who has tried, repeatedly, to force me to conform to his
> standards.
By asking you to use my legal name and gender...
Yes, you should really get your facts straight.
No reply is necesary to the rest of your nonsense. As to your threats of
legal stuff, please do! It has now ben several months and stil nothing.
Shucks - I ned some entertainment!
W,.
Jennifer Usher
>
> "Sue" <s...@where.org> wrote in message
> news:7yljg.24224$bk5....@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
> "...because i
> can't deal with people who hold a grudge for more then 24 hours."
> "It is my belief that anybody who holds a grudge for longer then a day has
> serious mental illness and should get help as soon as possiable."
>
>
> Oh really? I suspect that you woudl have to include much of the
> population in your diagnosis.
>
> "the other issue involves all three of them, they believe they have to
> cram transsexisum down the throts of those of us who don't identify as
> transseexual."
>
> I don't think so. You see, not knowing you - and not caring much - I have
> no need to force anything down your throat. I state my opinions. You may
> agree or disagree - that is your decision. It matters very little to me.
> In fact, I learn from thsoe who disagree in a civil manner.
Interesting, as I recall Sue talking about having visited Billy Boy. Of
course, it could be another Sue...but nah, I don't think it is. Oh well,
Billy Boy has trouble with things like facts, and the truth.
> But the line is crossed when you start personal insults and attacks rather
> than directing your thoughts to the issues. I do not care if you identify
> as a moose!
I wouldn't advise doing that. I here the moose in Canada used to get real
nervous when Billy Boy was around....
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
>
> "Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:q-2dnZTAXuJl1RPZ...@rcn.net...
>
> "I mean, this is just TOO funny! Billy Boy arrived before Andrea James
> had
> probably ever heard of him. Certainly before Michael Bailey's book was
> published, before Billy Boy had ever heard of autogynephilia, before he
> become Bailey's biggest fan, and before Andrea Jame's posted a single word
> about him.
>
> Let's see. Blanchard first wrote in 1985. I heard of the concept well
> before
> 1998. Andrea and I were on several lists together in 1997 or 1998. She
> may
> have ben on TRANSGEN and certainly was on SNSC. Bailey reports on
> Blanchard's concept, and makes litle if any new aditions.
Interesting obfuscation. A bunch of meaningless fact that have nothing to
do with the bottom line. Andrea James had not mentioned Billy Boy.
> By asking you to use my legal name and gender...
No, by making threats.
> Yes, you should really get your facts straight.
ROTFL! Billy Boy don't need no stinking facts. He just makes stuff up, and
claims it as truth.
> No reply is necesary to the rest of your nonsense. As to your threats of
> legal stuff, please do! It has now ben several months and stil nothing.
> Shucks - I ned some entertainment!
Billy Boy likes to bluster, but as long as he doesn't cross the line, I have
no reason to file charges. Like a typical bully...he likes to taunt. But
as I say, as long as he behaves himself, he has nothing to worry about.
I'm not interested in "getting him," just stopping him from crossing
certain lines.
--
Jennifer Usher
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Check back on your jottings.
Total and absolute crap.
W.
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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time?
W.
<theart...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good work!
>
> I have found that continuity is the ideal way to trip people up. I have
> made a regular practice of fingering posts, viewing the profile and
> most importantly, reading every post.... especially those outside the
> NG at hand. It is there that the fruits lie. Data-mining USENET when
> done methodically is an excellent way to gather intel. Most people are
> too lazy to stay in character. Willow has the same typographical
> errors. Idiosyncratic spelling, character stutters (bad keys or
> fingering positions) can provide clues and give-away a fake.
>
> Setting up alerts is also a time-saver.
>
>
> I also like building lists of authors. Once you have a good list, you
> can run queries ona regular basis.
>
> Fishy, fishy, fishy indeed. It is like shooting at them in a barrell!
>
> Happy hunting;-)
>
> T.A.O.T.
>
Amanda Angelika
Pangarune Corner <pang...@shaw.ca> typed:
> You certainly attach more importance to this nonsense than I do. Why
> waste time?
Keeping records, data mining and investigating things is an intellectual
exercise. I don't think one necessarily has to care about the subject of
investigation to find the process of investigation intellectually
stimulating. :)
--
Amanda
Sue
"Pangarune Corner" <pang...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Sue" <s...@where.org> wrote in message
> news:7yljg.24224$bk5....@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
> "...because i
> can't deal with people who hold a grudge for more then 24 hours."
> "It is my belief that anybody who holds a grudge for longer then a day has
> serious mental illness and should get help as soon as possiable."
>
>
> Oh really? I suspect that you woudl have to include much of the
> population in your diagnosis.
>
not true the rest of the population is better adjusted to dealing with
dissagreement then the two of you.
> "the other issue involves all three of them, they believe they have to
> cram
> transsexisum down the throts of those of us who don't identify as
> transseexual."
>
> I don't think so. You see, not knowing you - and not caring much - I have
> no need to force anything down your throat. I state my opinions. You may
> agree or disagree - that is your decision. It matters very little to me.
> In fact, I learn from thsoe who disagree in a civil manner.
>
> But the line is crossed when you start personal insults and attacks rather
> than directing your thoughts to the issues. I do not care if you identify
> as a moose!
>
> W.
>
i have been reading this NG since 96.
I can't believe the two of you.
Children act more civilized then You and JU.
I don't know what happened to the person i knew when Melieburty was going,
but i wish that pereson would return and what you have turned into would
leave.
Sue
Sue
"mtsg" <mt...@spamme.not> wrote in message
>
> What you wrote makes no sense, "Dianne".
> You just don't get it, all that vitriol and ad hominem doesn't
> disturb me other than by showing me how very disturbed *you*
> are. But that is old news to me and most everyone else I'm
> sure.
>
> Anyway, Jenn, you call this creature "Dianne" your
> friend and that's really your problem -- I am done here. Y'all
> have fun trolling, I reckon it's all you got. May you wake up
> one day and choose to live, that's my parting word.
> :)
> Blessings,
> mtsg
>
I am done here. Y'all
> have fun trolling, I reckon it's all you got. May you wake up
> one day and choose to live, that's my parting word.
i think you have hit the nail on the head.
i have said the same thing to both of them it doesn't do any good.
Sue
Jennifer Usher
> What "lines", idiot.
>
> Check back on your jottings.
>
> Total and absolute crap.
Well, Billy Boy knows...
--
Jennifer Usher
pmb...@yahoo.com
> anyone who will not respect the gender decision of any TG or TS should be
> working in either nursing or in AIDS TG/TS work
I respect anyone who works near AIDS/HIV people. And as far as prop's,
she has always given them to me.
It takes two or more to have a fight, when it spills over the net that
is wrong. regardles who does it. cops, employers, outings, any personal
junk that is used against other posters.
I do have objections to Bailey, one of the messages her e brought him
up. He is a dispicable, unethical DR/researcher. no one should ever
sleep with a patient to get information on how they feel. Especially
when bailey fefers to T's as gay men. He slept with them he is gay and
dispicable.
Probably has his own problems with HIV.
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"I do have objections to Bailey, one of the messages her e brought him
up. He is a dispicable, unethical DR/researcher. no one should ever
sleep with a patient to get information on how they feel. Especially
when bailey fefers to T's as gay men. He slept with them he is gay and
dispicable."
Do you have any direct knowledge? Did he, for example, sleep with you? The
sexual charges were dropped. Oh yes, I know that AJ made a thing of it, but
given she has lied about me so many times, I see no reason to believe her on
these accusations. If you do not have personal knowledge, then where to you
get of spreading this type of nonsense without?
Mike has been on several national programs and retains a good reputation
amongst his peers. He has denied these accusations and the finding regarding
research was a very minor issue, looking at the actual documentation. There
was no research in the book which was almost totally anecdotal and reporting
on other findings.
You see, outside of this NG and others, we believe in innocence until proven
guilty. The accusation of an Usher or a James is not final and absolute.
You say he slept with a patient. Where and when - and unless you were the
patient, in my opinion you have no business posting such an accusation on a
public newsgroup. False allegations are very possible. Knowing Mike as I
do, I doubt the accusation and disbelieve it. That is not final either, but
at least I do not harm by repeating unfounded statements as gospel.
You do not *know*. You believe because you heard it from...? Great. We
should run our courts that way and save a lot of time.
You see, this is what is so horrid. Making accusations based on nothing. AJ
did that with a group of young TS in Baltimore. She ladled them "40 year old
sex perverts" and spread that muck all over. No evidence - as usual an anon.
post (guess where it came from) on Calpernia's web site. On that
*evidence* - and nothing more, AJ spread it throughout the world. The kids
were in fact kids - teens and early 20s, with an IS advocate who had
appeared on Gendertalk. AJ has done that to many TS women. The unthinking
"herd" follows and repeats - as you do here.
Let's say I start by posting all over the Web that you defraud people
through your church, and do all sorts of nasty things. I set up a web site
offshore to repeat that again and again. As with any accusation, that makes
"page one". The dismissal of the charge makes page 100. Another example.
James publishes one report on Lawrence. She does not even mention that a
subsequent hearing found Lawrence totally blameless. Read James' web site
and one thinks - oh, such a bad person. Really trite is the one person view
of a certain meting. Considering Andrea's following posts to Lawrence, very
friendly and such, to make a charge of an advance is silly. Even at worse,
she said "no" and nothing happened. This warrants several pages?
Simply put, do not repeat material which is harmful if you do not have
direct proof - and you do not. You should be ashamed. Like "When did you
stop beating your wife" and more - you simply spread smut .
Willow
'
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impostor is at work.
Stupid really. The real SueAnn would have picked up on certain references.
In addition, the real SueAnn has a long time hate against a former member
here and has held that "grudge" for years.
Get lost, pretender.
W.
"Sue" <s...@where.org> wrote in message
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Jennifer Usher
> I am confident that Sue and Sue Ann are not the same. Indeed, it seems an
> impostor is at work.
>
> Stupid really. The real SueAnn would have picked up on certain references.
> In addition, the real SueAnn has a long time hate against a former member
> here and has held that "grudge" for years.
>
> Get lost, pretender.
ROTFL! Sounds to me like Billy Boy can't face the truth! Too, too funny!
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Now, please tell me how you "know" this...
It is a logical conclusion.
> "I do have objections to Bailey, one of the messages her e brought him
> up. He is a dispicable, unethical DR/researcher. no one should ever
> sleep with a patient to get information on how they feel. Especially
> when bailey fefers to T's as gay men. He slept with them he is gay and
> dispicable."
>
> Do you have any direct knowledge? Did he, for example, sleep with you? The
> sexual charges were dropped. Oh yes, I know that AJ made a thing of it,
> but given she has lied about me so many times, I see no reason to believe
> her on these accusations. If you do not have personal knowledge, then
> where to you get of spreading this type of nonsense without?
This was among the charges brought against Bailey, a tenured professor who
USED to be the head of the psychology department at Northwestern. Now,
since he is a tenured professor, it would be difficult to fire him. And if
such was done, then it is very likely that the truth would have come out,
causing serious embarrassment to Northwestern. In fact, it could have lead
to the loss of considerable money in research grants. The results of the
investigation of Bailey were kept secret, but he was removed as head of the
department. It should also be noted that Bailey hints at attraction to
certain transsexuals in his book
> Mike has been on several national programs and retains a good reputation
> amongst his peers. He has denied these accusations and the finding
> regarding
> research was a very minor issue, looking at the actual documentation.
> There was no research in the book which was almost totally anecdotal and
> reporting on other findings.
ROTFL! A minor issue would not have resulted in him being subjected to the
embarrassment of being removed as head of his department. And I would not
say that Bailey has a good reputation among his peers, unless by his peers
you mean transphobic right wing nut cases. Well, actually, I guess that
would be his peers. Those I have spoken to find his book and his views in
contempt.
> You see, outside of this NG and others, we believe in innocence until
> proven guilty. The accusation of an Usher or a James is not final and
> absolute. You say he slept with a patient. Where and when - and unless you
> were the patient, in my opinion you have no business posting such an
> accusation on a
> public newsgroup. False allegations are very possible. Knowing Mike as I
> do, I doubt the accusation and disbelieve it. That is not final either,
> but at least I do not harm by repeating unfounded statements as gospel.
Actually, Billy Boy believes in innocence as long as you can cover up the
truth. And I love the way Billy Boy puffs himself up...referring to Bailey
as Mike, and acting as though they are bosom buddies. And yet, even as he
expresses his support and confidence in Michael Bailey's sterling
character, he leaves himself an out. He knows better.
> You do not *know*. You believe because you heard it from...? Great. We
> should run our courts that way and save a lot of time.
Unfortunately, rather than settle the matter, which I believe it would have
if the truth was as Billy Boy would like to believe it is, Northwestern
engaged in a cover up. So, we know SOMETHING happened, and that Bailey was
removed as head of the psychology department, which in itself is rather
unusual and would definitely be a punishment, but we are not told whether
he was guilty of the misconduct alleged or not. Yeah, uh sure...
> You see, this is what is so horrid. Making accusations based on nothing.
> AJ did that with a group of young TS in Baltimore. She ladled them "40
> year old sex perverts" and spread that muck all over. No evidence - as
> usual an anon. post (guess where it came from) on Calpernia's web site. On
> that *evidence* - and nothing more, AJ spread it throughout the world. The
> kids were in fact kids - teens and early 20s, with an IS advocate who had
> appeared on Gendertalk. AJ has done that to many TS women. The unthinking
> "herd" follows and repeats - as you do here.
Andrea provides solid evidence about her accusations. The 40 year-old in
question was clumsy enough to post under a false name from her email
account. Sort of like the time Lyle got caught posting to a rather nasty
flame group...and then claimed it was his "neighbor." Uh huh, yeah sure...
That IS advocate is the one who got caught pretending to be a "kid." The
web site was simply a transparent attempt to puff Bailey's theories and
provide fake evidence to bolster them. And it wasn't even a very good
fraud. It was pretty heavy handed. A much subtler approach would have
done much more for Bailey's cause. But a clumsy parroting of his hatred
for transsexuals was just lame.
> Let's say I start by posting all over the Web that you defraud people
> through your church, and do all sorts of nasty things. I set up a web site
> offshore to repeat that again and again. As with any accusation, that
> makes "page one". The dismissal of the charge makes page 100. Another
> example. James publishes one report on Lawrence. She does not even mention
> that a subsequent hearing found Lawrence totally blameless. Read James'
> web site and one thinks - oh, such a bad person. Really trite is the one
> person view of a certain meting. Considering Andrea's following posts to
> Lawrence, very friendly and such, to make a charge of an advance is silly.
> Even at worse, she said "no" and nothing happened. This warrants several
> pages?
Well, that is essentially the sort of thing Billy Boy does all the time.
This is Billy Boy's idea of a "clever" threat. What would happen? People
would probably ignore it, considering the source (Billy Boy, a known kook
with a history of lying vs. a respected member of the community), and if
they gave it any credence (i.e. they were not aware of Billy Boy's
reputation) they would investigate and find that he is lying...again.
As to the incident involving Anne Lawrence, Billy Boy is simply lying. She
was NOT found totally blameless. She resigned from the hospital in order
to avoid being fired. Here is what her lawyer had to say about the
incident, which involved a serious breach of medical ethics:
"Dr. Lawrence resigned her clinical privileges at Swedish Medical Center
following summary peer review action based on a single incident in which
she conducted a brief examination of a patient prior to hysterectomy. The
examination was not done with the consent of the patient and Dr. Lawrence
was the anesthesiologist, not the gynecologist. I believe that Swedish
Medical Center will tell you that Dr. Lawrence’s clinical competence was
not at issue in this case. Rather it was a matter of an isolated lapse in
personal judgement. Dr. Lawrence has taken responsibility for her conduct.
I understand that the patient has been informed of the examination and has
expressed no concern."
> Simply put, do not repeat material which is harmful if you do not have
> direct proof - and you do not. You should be ashamed. Like "When did you
> stop beating your wife" and more - you simply spread smut .
Of course you should never do this....that is Billy Boy's thing, and he
doesn't like competition.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> As to her employer, I do not think that
>> anyone who will not respect the gender decision of any TG or TS should be
>> working in either nursing or in AIDS TG/TS work
>
> I respect anyone who works near AIDS/HIV people. And as far as prop's,
> she has always given them to me.
Thank you. And of course I have given you props. You deserve them. Billy
Boy thinks the world revolves around him, and that if I insult him, I am
insulting all transgender people. That is absurd. He wants to make my
refusal to be bullied by him into a hatred for all transgender people. His
ego knows no bounds.
> It takes two or more to have a fight, when it spills over the net that
> is wrong. regardles who does it. cops, employers, outings, any personal
> junk that is used against other posters.
I agree. But I also have a right to do whatever is necessary to defend
myself against an obsessive stalker.
> I do have objections to Bailey, one of the messages her e brought him
> up. He is a dispicable, unethical DR/researcher. no one should ever
> sleep with a patient to get information on how they feel. Especially
> when bailey fefers to T's as gay men. He slept with them he is gay and
> dispicable.
I agree. He is a very nasty person.
> Probably has his own problems with HIV.
It would be interesting to see his views on the subject.
--
Jennifer Usher
Pangarune Corner
"This was among the charges brought against Bailey, a tenured professor who
USED to be the head of the psychology department at Northwestern. Now,
since he is a tenured professor, it would be difficult to fire him. And if
such was done, then it is very likely that the truth would have come out,
causing serious embarrassment to Northwestern. In fact, it could have lead
to the loss of considerable money in research grants. The results of the
investigation of Bailey were kept secret, but he was removed as head of the
department. It should also be noted that Bailey hints at attraction to
certain transsexuals in his book"
In common with many faculties, the position of Chairman involves a lot of
administrative functions. At NW, it is rotated so no one gets stuck with it
for too long. The rest is simply guessing and slander.
No one asks you to agree with Bailey, but resorting to personal attacks
based on guesses is not in anyone's interest. Especially when you make
accusations that are simply nasty.
"A minor issue would not have resulted in him being subjected to the
> embarrassment of being removed as head of his department. And I would not
> say that Bailey has a good reputation among his peers, unless by his peers
> you mean transphobic right wing nut cases. Well, actually, I guess that
> would be his peers. Those I have spoken to find his book and his views in
> contempt.
Sorry, but save for a certain bunch of idiotic transsexuals Mike has
retained his reputation and appeared on Dateline, 60minutes and many more
national programs. The massive LC AJ hate campaign did nothing to his carer
and did make TS appear like fruitcakes to the rest of the world.
As to this:
"> Unfortunately, rather than settle the matter, which I believe it would
have
> if the truth was as Billy Boy would like to believe it is, Northwestern
> engaged in a cover up. So, we know SOMETHING happened, and that Bailey
> was
> removed as head of the psychology department, which in itself is rather
> unusual and would definitely be a punishment, but we are not told whether
> he was guilty of the misconduct alleged or not. Yeah, uh sure...
NW followed its normal practise, and did not make this a special case. The
issue revived around the book, of course, and the claim that it was
research. in fact, the book had little research and merely reported on three
areas. Mike did no research to speak of on TS and referred to Blanchard's
work. "Cover up"? Join the conspiracy nuts with the two Kennedy, MLK and
alien spacecraft. Nonsense.
Your hysterical accusations falter when you look to simple facts. The Chair
resigns every two or three years as a mater of custom. So your inference
that the stupid hearing had anything to do with it is wrong. As is the rest
of your post. Anne was absolved by the appeal - and you will not find that
on AJs site. She did not reprint the appeal and rehearing, only the
original. Don't believe me - check with the state authorities. Easy to do,
Usher. And if you don't, shut up about things you know nothing about.
You exist simply to slander others.
W.
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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basic rules of conduct and civil behaviour amongst TG/TS. Imagine a support
group or any other place where one person gets to decide who is to be "he"
and "she".
And if that one person refuses to use the pronoun one has selected,
correcting that person is called "bullying". Bah! Alabama TP trash with a
California tan.
This and other factors tell me the place Usher works for is primarily for
gay and lesbians, with TG/TS thrown in to gain more funding. They really do
not give a damn - that's why they hired Usher and keep Usher. Lip service.
Stalker. Bah! Humbug! Alabama TP trash.
W.
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Usher
> Typical.
>
> "This was among the charges brought against Bailey, a tenured professor
> who
> USED to be the head of the psychology department at Northwestern. Now,
> since he is a tenured professor, it would be difficult to fire him. And if
> such was done, then it is very likely that the truth would have come out,
> causing serious embarrassment to Northwestern. In fact, it could have
> lead
> to the loss of considerable money in research grants. The results of the
> investigation of Bailey were kept secret, but he was removed as head of
> the
> department. It should also be noted that Bailey hints at attraction to
> certain transsexuals in his book"
>
> In common with many faculties, the position of Chairman involves a lot of
> administrative functions. At NW, it is rotated so no one gets stuck with
> it
> for too long. The rest is simply guessing and slander.
ROTFL! Does Billy Boy actually think anyone is going to buy a load of
manure like that?
> No one asks you to agree with Bailey, but resorting to personal attacks
> based on guesses is not in anyone's interest. Especially when you make
> accusations that are simply nasty.
Michael Bailey brought all this on himself. Unethical research practices
are outrageous.
> "A minor issue would not have resulted in him being subjected to the
>> embarrassment of being removed as head of his department. And I would
>> not say that Bailey has a good reputation among his peers, unless by his
>> peers
>> you mean transphobic right wing nut cases. Well, actually, I guess that
>> would be his peers. Those I have spoken to find his book and his views
>> in contempt.
>
> Sorry, but save for a certain bunch of idiotic transsexuals Mike has
> retained his reputation and appeared on Dateline, 60minutes and many more
> national programs. The massive LC AJ hate campaign did nothing to his
> carer and did make TS appear like fruitcakes to the rest of the world.
Well, no question that he has retained his reputation, which was not very
good to begin with. His views are not considered anyting more than those of
a crackpot, except by other crackpots. He is a darling of the religious
right. As to appearing on news shows, that is not surprising. They love
to have anyone who will say something outrageous or controversial.
> As to this:
>
> "> Unfortunately, rather than settle the matter, which I believe it would
> have
>> if the truth was as Billy Boy would like to believe it is, Northwestern
>> engaged in a cover up. So, we know SOMETHING happened, and that Bailey
>> was
>> removed as head of the psychology department, which in itself is rather
>> unusual and would definitely be a punishment, but we are not told whether
>> he was guilty of the misconduct alleged or not. Yeah, uh sure...
>
> NW followed its normal practise, and did not make this a special case. The
> issue revived around the book, of course, and the claim that it was
> research. in fact, the book had little research and merely reported on
> three areas. Mike did no research to speak of on TS and referred to
> Blanchard's
> work. "Cover up"? Join the conspiracy nuts with the two Kennedy, MLK and
> alien spacecraft. Nonsense.
I mean, one has to wonder, does Billy Boy really think people are that
stupid? The issue revolved around unethical practices. The book was pop
science trash. But, Bailey does do research. And he was accused of
unethical practices.
> Your hysterical accusations falter when you look to simple facts. The
> Chair resigns every two or three years as a mater of custom. So your
> inference that the stupid hearing had anything to do with it is wrong. As
> is the rest of your post. Anne was absolved by the appeal - and you will
> not find that on AJs site. She did not reprint the appeal and rehearing,
> only the
> original. Don't believe me - check with the state authorities. Easy to
> do, Usher. And if you don't, shut up about things you know nothing about.
Billy Boy is not interested in facts, period. He thinks he can make stuff
up and people will buy it. For example, Anne Lawrence resigned from a
hospital, effectively ending her career, because she did something
improper. Bailey was removed as chairman of his department (department
chairs don't resign routinely...this is laughable, even by Billy Boy
standards). Those are facts. Billy Boy thinks he can obfuscate and people
will buy it.
> You exist simply to slander others.
This is hilarious coming from Billy Boy, especially given his bogus attacks
on Andrea James, Lynn Conway, and myself...to name just three of many. The
man doesn't deal in truth.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> I don't respect those who work at HIV TS/TG positions and yet break the
> basic rules of conduct and civil behaviour amongst TG/TS. Imagine a
> support group or any other place where one person gets to decide who is to
> be "he" and "she".
Suffice to say, Billy Boy is a rare exception, Lyle Blake being another. He
thinks he is so special that insulting him, is insulting all transgender
people...and that is stretching the definition of transgender. He is
transgender in the same sense that the character of Norman Bates in the
movie Psycho might be called "transgender." As I have pointed out, Billy
Boy long ago crossed a line he shouldn't have. He gets what he deserves,
and he will never force me to refer to him in any way other than as a man,
with masculine pronouns. I am not going to be bullied by a misogynistic
joke like him.
> And if that one person refuses to use the pronoun one has selected,
> correcting that person is called "bullying". Bah! Alabama TP trash with a
> California tan.
ROTFL! I live in San Francisco, not LA.
> This and other factors tell me the place Usher works for is primarily for
> gay and lesbians, with TG/TS thrown in to gain more funding. They really
> do not give a damn - that's why they hired Usher and keep Usher. Lip
> service.
Now, you see, that is an example of Billy Boy just making stuff up. He is
simply full of crap. But nothing new. Now, this would not be so funny if
Billy Boy, in the throes of his obsession, had not researched the project I
work for. He is not mistaken, he is deliberately lying. Not that it
matters.
> Stalker. Bah! Humbug! Alabama TP trash.
Spoken like a true stalker.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Bets?
I bet he is begging her to forgive him, and to make him look good.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Bets?
Sure...I just compared the header to messages known to be from Billy Boy's
apparently former friend. They match. Both originate from the same ISP.
This is the SAME Sue Anne Robins who was defending Billy Boy so vehemently
back in May.
--
Jennifer Usher
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"ROTFL! Does Billy Boy actually think anyone is going to buy a load of
manure like that?"
Only if they wish to understand the true story. If not, they can be like
you.
As to the religious right, Mike tends to be left of centre and while I have
not asked, probably a Democrat.
Happily, the others at NW and elsewhere do nto care what you think. They
continue to recognize Mike as a peer with god cause. *Your* judgement - and
that of AJ - is meaningless.
W.
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W.
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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W.
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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1. Why would one laugh at avocadoes?
2. Where does her daughter live - which state?
3. Which former member of this NG does SueAnne hate (for much more than 24
hours)? That should be easy. Why?
4. Sue Anne had a job and lost it due to a disability. What disability? What
did she do until she got back on her feet to survive?
W.
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sue
Ues ether email address.
I sent you an email to the address you use to use.
i received back an email from your auto responder.
Oh i don't need to play 20 questions with you.
Of the questions you ask there is only one of which that has not been
discussed publicly.
1. Why would one laugh at avocadoes?
The only place this was discussed was on your former group Mulieberty.
which if you had been thinking ahead to the possiable outcome of your
actions on other list you would have put the group into the hands of another
person to act as owner instead of letting it go the way of your Yahoo ID.
Now to the answer....
before i went to visit you in March of 2002 i made satire of the Canidial
Customes officials. this was based on the breif mention of the fruit in a
thread on Muliebrety.
California Avocados are much larger and as i understand it they are
considerably smaller and somewhat less tasty then the California ones.
I had posted a reply to this thread that in the interest of supporting
Canadian agriculture the Canadian customs officials would be conducting body
cavity searches for Avocados smuggled into Canada by tourists.
in a nutshell that is the answer you are looking for.
To add.....
when i arrived we took a short trip to the Chinese market where i found a
display of conidian avocados. i held one up and quietly called out to you.
you broke into laughter.
(i can't stand the fruit myself)
Please do contact me privately.
SueAnn
Jennifer Usher
> "ROTFL! Does Billy Boy actually think anyone is going to buy a load of
> manure like that?"
>
> Only if they wish to understand the true story. If not, they can be like
> you.
Translation: "Yes, I really think I am very clever, and these rubes will
believe anything I post...I am a god!"
Billy Boy's clue tank is running on empty.
> As to the religious right, Mike tends to be left of centre and while I
> have not asked, probably a Democrat.
And yet, if Billy Boy had a clue, he would notice that the people who most
often quote Billy Boy, and Blanchard, in fact about the ONLY people who
ever quote Billy Boy or Blanchard, are those on the right who are trying to
attack transsexuals....oh wait, that would INCLUDE Billy Boy...who has been
shown to be a raving homophobe and a transphobe. Ironic, ain't it.
> Happily, the others at NW and elsewhere do nto care what you think. They
> continue to recognize Mike as a peer with god cause. *Your* judgement -
> and that of AJ - is meaningless.
Wow! Imagine that...people at a particular university happen to largely
think alike and support a fellow member of their school... Well! I guess
that settles that! Good grief! At least Billy Boy is being actually
forced o fall back to a position that is relatively true, though totally
worthless. And yes, I am sure that his other supporters (on the right) are
not swayed by my positions at all. Nor is anyone with a shred of real
concern for transsexuals swayed by Bailey. Amused, appalled, or angered,
but not at all swayed.
That is the REAL bottom line in all of this. Not that Ray Blanchard and
Michael Bailey are transphobes who have tried to discredit the concept of
transsexualism, but that that Ray Blanchard and Michael Bailey are
transphobes who have tried to discredit the concept of transsexualism and
who have FAILED miserably to have any real effect on the thinking of anyone
other than those who already hated transsexuals.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Fine - then "Sue" can answer a few questions:
>
> 1. Why would one laugh at avocadoes?
>
> 2. Where does her daughter live - which state?
>
> 3. Which former member of this NG does SueAnne hate (for much more than
> 24 hours)? That should be easy. Why?
>
> 4. Sue Anne had a job and lost it due to a disability. What disability?
> What did she do until she got back on her feet to survive?
Now, this is typical. Billy Boy made the claim that he didn't care what
anyone thinks, and now he is desperate to convince himself that his ONLY
friend on this group, his last supporter, save the occasional anonymous
troll, has not turned on him.
And he does it in a way that leaves him an out. If she has any sense, she
will not post private information here (only the first one sounds like
something that might be safe). If she ignores him, he can claim it is not
her...in the face of clear evidence that it is. If she responds in private
email (the smarter thing to do) he can deny it ever happened and claim that
his supporter is still 100% behind him.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
Well, that should settle the matter...it probably won't, but it should.
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Jennifer Usher
Pangarune Corner
Crop circles next, perhaps?
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"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Usher
> Ah yes, another conspiracy theory.
Nope, it is just another example of bad science. Sort of like that of John
Money, who for years lied about the famous "John/Joan" case that blew up in
his face.
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Jennifer Usher
Pangarune Corner
admit the boy was wrong. That was, of course, one reason for the "John/Joan"
"experiment".
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"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Usher
> Yeah - and Money was the one who allegedly "separated" sex and gender.
> Gotta admit the boy was wrong. That was, of course, one reason for the
> "John/Joan" "experiment".
Allegedly? Does Billy Boy even think before he writes this stuff?
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Jennifer Usher
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"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Usher
> Stoller made the same claim.
I wonder...does Billy Boy have a point in all this?
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Jennifer Usher