Post-ops and iatrogenic diseases
theart...@gmail.com
risks don't seem to matter when we transition. But as we begin to age
and more so many years post-GRS we reach the threshold of the
cumulative risk(s). For some reason, many of us drop out of support
groups. Sad. This creates a real vaccum as far as exposing people to
peers in various states of transition. Even more so with the advent of
the internet. Most people get everything theyneed on the web, including
cliffnotes and tips from other social engineered types who typically
avoid therapy like the plague and see it only as gate-keeping rather
than facillitation and a safety net.
Bypassing therapy and screening, then avoiding person-to-person and
in-person support, we further isolate ourselves and put ourselves at
risk.
I know that for the most part, most modern diseases are iatrogenic.
That means medically caused. Perhaps it is unfair to use this term
since a great many people self-medicate and use medical professionals
in a piecemeal, non congruous fashion. Once the honeymoon is over, some
people come forward and share their anecdotes about complications or
side effects, but for the most part they are shrill voices among the
nubes who just want to go through transition like it were a race. In
some cases I have observed a race to the bottom. Many girls in a hurry
taking hormones of unknown origin and effacy, or horror shows like Dr.
Brown who worked out of hotel rooms. And still worse, silicone pumping
parties.
As the population grows older, we have an emerging middle aged
majority. An aging TS post-op population is reaching a critical mass
and that should show us what we did not know about years before, what
are the long term effects of taking estrogen and how do we differ from
the rest of the population in overall health?
How many TS women have a physician that they have known for some time,
that knows their histories and who is supportive as opposed to adverse
towards their TSity.
How many of us know all to well that there are sensitivity issues and
even worse, ignorance in healthcare providers in even the most affluent
or cosmopolitan cities. I have had four adverse encounters at hospital
emergency rooms.
I consider this an indication of a systemic problem as opposed to being
an abberation.
Even if your presentation is such that only your history gives away
your TS status, just the knowledge of such makes you subject to adverse
treatment. Doctors avoiding eye contact, even avoiding the actual exam
as if you had cooties. When I broke my back, the doctor at the ER did
not touch me! He actually avoided looking at my back!!! Had I not
compelled them to take xrays, that clod would have sent me home with a
broken back as if nothing happened at all. I was sharing my
neurological symptoms and that idiot just blew me off... was it
incompetence or bias?
Perhaps some healthcare professionals have a bias where if they
percieve that a patient does something that puts them at risk, then
they have less sympathy, such as smokers, extreme athetes, auto racers,
etc. Maybe they think it is a moral issue, and they feel that they are
enabling our deviant behavior (sic).
It is not until you reach a chronological theshold that the cumulative
health risks start to catch up with you. I have met a number of
geriatric TS women who seemed to have a cascade of issues
postoperatively. Looking back, I recall using long-term followup data
on men undgergoing orchidectomy as a benchmark. It seemed that obesity
was the most common issue along with some emotional changes, which i
chalked up to the fact that the castrations were involuntary. It is
well-established that most eunichs are overweight, but on balance,
genetics and other variants must be factored in.
It is too bad that TS women fade into the woodwork as far as being
followed up medically. We need an adhoc TS health initiative. If we
were to have a health survey, it would be interesting to see what a
larger statistical sample would show.
Think about it. Think how many of us undergo GRS?
Thousands of people and we hardly have any data.
What can most of us expect in our advancing years?
In a society that worships youth, it is obvious that we have high
turnover insofar as TS role models, yet this obsession with youth is
pushing out TS women of experience. Nobody cares about the fact that
there are some of us out there who transitioned decades ago. Someone
who just got their 30k makovers, or was just on Hopra thainks that is
more important than listening to someone who transitioned before it was
safe or cool to be TS. THOSE people have some stories to tell. I know,
I am one of them and I think it is really sad that many people think
that being the latest flash in the pan is some sort of credential to be
a media icon.
Just getting some stupid operation is not the only thing that matters
if you are a TS, it is the overall quality of life!
Emotional health.
Physical health.
Self-actualization.
I see a lot of hey, look at me sort of stuff, and lots of here is my
FFS picture and my trip to Trinidad or whatev, but what about outcome
on all levels. Mute.
C'mon, we can do better than this.
T.A.O.T.
pmb...@yahoo.com
ago with a sore throat. I am diabetic, I knew what I had as its a
frequentoffender, thrush.
It takes a few Dyflucan pills and is gone for a couple years or so.
the young DR (intern???) took hours to get back to me in the exam room.
Seems that since I had SRS, He wanted to know if I had an HIV test
recently. Not do I know why I have it. well I chewed his ass ou6t
royally including telling him it was no business if I had an HIV test.
And that my sex life was not up for his opinion.
Proceded to speak to the head nurse in the ER and got my diflucan.
Strangely enough it was the lst time I have had it. for personal
reasons I did have one last year and no problems.( found a boyfriend in
a gay bar trying to date some leather freek).
Now I have never had any other problem with DR's. I am treated like any
woman at the VA, they have post-ops who even work there about 6 as I
have been told and one anathesioligst (sp). i see Dr's and nurses who
were of other genders. Most hospitals around town have some working
there.
drugs are a sore point with many Dr's who deal with us. My former endo
Doc was wonderfull. I was in his care for my diabetes. I asked him one
day why he never mentioned he was the best qualified to take care of
monitoring my HRT. He told me how he used to do so for a lot of T's but
about 15 years before this he ran into a bunch ( I believe I know their
tharapist) who were seeing more than one doctor to get more hormones.
some were using 4 times what were safe. He just quit dealing with them.
the next week after some talk with the DR. who was following me he said
He would as long as I followed his advice. It wasn't a problem.
the Drugs available on line are suspect. there are labs in south
america and Mexico, china and such who counterfit drugs. Usually those
that come from the UK and america are trustworthy.
I have felt sorry for those who can not afford medical care. Going it
alone is hard and dangerous. Hopefully someone will leave a foundation
grant to help those searching for SRS. If bill Gates wishes to donate
a billion or so I would gladly administer it for nothing.
but we are of less import than a ingrown toenail.
P
no-one
> As the population grows older, we have an emerging middle aged
> majority. An aging TS post-op population is reaching a critical mass
> and that should show us what we did not know about years before, what
> are the long term effects of taking estrogen and how do we differ from
> the rest of the population in overall health?
I've been taking Estrogen in various forms for 30 years and I have had
regular exams all of that time. As far as I know there have been no long
term ill effects.
> How many TS women have a physician that they have known for some time,
> that knows their histories and who is supportive as opposed to adverse
> towards their TSity.
I've had my current physician for 9 years. Although she does know my
history, "TSity" is not an issue.
> How many of us know all to well that there are sensitivity issues and
> even worse, ignorance in healthcare providers in even the most
> affluent or cosmopolitan cities. I have had four adverse encounters
> at hospital emergency rooms.
Why would you even tell an ER doctor your history?
> It is too bad that TS women fade into the woodwork as far as being
> followed up medically. We need an adhoc TS health initiative. If we
> were to have a health survey, it would be interesting to see what a
> larger statistical sample would show.
Why would women wish to reveal a "TS" history when they put so much effort
into putting it behind them?
> Think about it. Think how many of us undergo GRS?
In this age far too many for the wrong reasons.
> Thousands of people and we hardly have any data.
> What can most of us expect in our advancing years?
The same as any other woman?
> In a society that worships youth, it is obvious that we have high
> turnover insofar as TS role models, yet this obsession with youth is
> pushing out TS women of experience. Nobody cares about the fact that
> there are some of us out there who transitioned decades ago. Someone
> who just got their 30k makovers, or was just on Hopra thainks that is
> more important than listening to someone who transitioned before it
> was safe or cool to be TS. THOSE people have some stories to tell. I
> know, I am one of them and I think it is really sad that many people
> think that being the latest flash in the pan is some sort of
> credential to be a media icon.
>
> Just getting some stupid operation is not the only thing that matters
> if you are a TS, it is the overall quality of life!
>
> Emotional health.
>
> Physical health.
>
> Self-actualization.
>
> I see a lot of hey, look at me sort of stuff, and lots of here is my
> FFS picture and my trip to Trinidad or whatev, but what about outcome
> on all levels. Mute.
It sounds as if you need to distance yourself from TS people unless you wish
to remain "TS" forever. If you are postop and take care of yourself, you
should not experience aging any differently than any other woman.
Sue_A
For some of us the complications of SRS are limited to potential bone
loss and weight gain both of which are controllable. The emotional changes
are something that a Transitioning person should make themselves aware of.
If they cannot manage the emotional changes then they are unsuitable for
transition from the beginning. The mind is nothing more then an
electro-chemical computer that can be programmed provided the firmware is in
good shape in the first place. This of course is what separates a drug
addict from someone who had a phase in their life, walked away ready to move
on to the nest phase.
Doctors are a dime a dozen, if one doesn't workout there are more.
Female doctor usually are more sympatric then males. We have to Believe in
who we are, because this is who we are and nothing can change that. You have
to adopt the same strategy successful handicapped people have always
adopted. (I know this better then anybody on this list) This strategy
involves the following.
Liking yourself
having high self confidence
Being able to communicate your condition in a way that will sell your care
giver on the idea that what you did was the right thing to do.
Being able to answer all questions in a positive manner.
Successful handicapped people sell their employers and those around them
on the idea that they are no different then anybody else. They have overcame
their issues and function in the mainstream like everyone else.
The internet Transsexuals and a few who live in Gay Ghettos don't understand
this.
Like it or not the Real World works by it's own rules.
We have to play by those rules despite what the Ghetto Queens would tell you
in their news messages.
I have had a few discussions with an Autumn Sandeen one of these people.
She doesn't understand that Transsexuals (the read ones) let alone TG people
make up about 3% of the population and what these transfolk think, matters
not in the big picture or when you go to 7/11 for a cup of coffee and a
Breakfast Burger.
Autumn would like to think she belongs to the majority and can dick-Tate
what people think.
The libertarian side of me would say:
If you are not ready to confront ALL the issues involved in dealing with the
real world your not completely transitioned and may not be a good candidate
from the onset.
If you can't tell your mother and father you are going to change sex you
have no business doing it.
be that as it may.......
In a perfect world we would be able to accumulate all this data, we
would be able to better help those who are considering SRS and be more
informed as to the long term effects of our need to change sex.
Unfortunately this runs counter to what we want, to blend in and just be
normal people in the eyes of those around us.
because we were needed to color outside of the lines we must educate
ourselves enough to be prepared for when the crayon leaves the paper.
No one of credibility will help us.
Not that matters anyway.
Take care
Hugs
Sue
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that does not mean that I did so proactively. In fact, I feel as if by
answering standard questions such as what medication you are on, or
when was your last period, I was obliquely outting myself. Yet you have
got to be honest or else once the doctor knows that you are lying or
holding back, it makes them distrust you and adds to the negative
stereotypes about us.
The reasons you must not withold medical history are manifold, but what
first comes to mind are risk factors. In my own case, since I had just
had an injury and I suspected a fracture (L-5) I considered it prudent
to answer ALL of the questions truthfully during the intake process. I
did not declare TSity. I did not mention SRS. But I did list my
medications along with the dosages and how long I was on them because
that information can be of import. In fact, I felt that letting them
know I am on HRT is necessary because osteoporosis is typically a risk
for people who have a loss of endogenous sex hormones. You have to
provide a accurate and truthful history. If you lie about when your
last period was, you are only cheating yourself because they will bark
up the wrong tree if you paint a decietful picture of your medical
history or present situation.
I will admit that I have a few anecdotes that I am proud of such as
when a plastic surgeon asked me how many babies I've had because of my
hips and my stretchmarks:-) But outside of social-engineering prowess,
there really is no good that can come out of "fooling" your doctor.
Transitioning is not so much about fooling people. It is not. Perhaps
the clueless would differ on that, but I would say that it reveals a
great deal about motives. I did not have SRS to have sex with straight
men (sic), I had GRS for myself. I did it for completedness, not to
just have sex. I also did it for legal reasons as well. But in
retrospect sugery was the icing on the cake, but the most gratification
I can look back on was being called ma'am or Ms. Being able to live and
work as a woman and even the little stuff that nobody thinks about are
far more compelling testimonials for GRS than being able to simply pass
or be super-stealth.
Being able to just be me. Taking a shower in a gym with other women and
not being stared at adversely (I don't mind an occasional envious
glance!) just knowing that I am accepted in my chosen gender has been
the difference between living and existing.
While I am impressed with those of us who are so bullet-proof that
nobody can clock them, I also realize that such things can also be a
double-edged sword since medically, passing is a dangerous way of
cheating ourself out of a correct diagnosis.
Passing when you think about it is important when you live in a society
that does not accept you as a TS. But then again, it is better to be
hated for what you are than it is to be loved for what you are not. But
then again, many victims of hate crimes might beg to differ.
I admit that we bring on a lot of our own problems.
I don't have the answers, but we should discuss this further and see
what others have experienced.
At the same time, we need to consider six degrees of separation. Each
of us provide an experience that is cumulative in developing the
attitudes of most medical professionals. Every time you are asked for a
larger than normal deposit from a doctor or even full-prepayment, those
things are the result of someone who came before you burning someone
and then it cast a pall over us all as a group. Likewise for those who
outside of TSity engage in dangerous activities, each time a
professional encounters a TS in their practice, it makes an impression,
good or bad.
Think about THAT.
Each thing touches everything
T.A.O.T.
Melany Lawrence
Sue_A wrote:
> Life is full of risks, we take most of them for granted.
>
> For some of us the complications of SRS are limited to potential bone
> loss and weight gain both of which are controllable. The emotional changes
> are something that a Transitioning person should make themselves aware of.
Speaking only for myself: Almost any emotional change would have to be
seen as either an improvement, or a new ability I have developed (read -
Look ma! It works!). When it comes to emotional turmoil, I find it
difficult to imagine that anything could be more convulsive, and
simultaneously inert on the surface than what has been going on in this
bundle of worn-out and mismatched socks for 40+ years.
> If they cannot manage the emotional changes then they are unsuitable for
> transition from the beginning. The mind is nothing more then an
> electro-chemical computer that can be programmed provided the firmware is in
> good shape in the first place. This of course is what separates a drug
> addict from someone who had a phase in their life, walked away ready to move
> on to the nest phase.
> Doctors are a dime a dozen, if one doesn't workout there are more.
> Female doctor usually are more sympatric then males. We have to Believe in
> who we are, because this is who we are and nothing can change that. You have
> to adopt the same strategy successful handicapped people have always
> adopted. (I know this better then anybody on this list) This strategy
> involves the following.
>
> Liking yourself
>
> having high self confidence
>
> Being able to communicate your condition in a way that will sell your care
> giver on the idea that what you did was the right thing to do.
Herein lies a problem. Most of the medical professionals I am acquainted
with are "religious" people. Their superstition (as I choose to classify
it) precludes them from being impartial deeming the very idea
sacreligious and/or sinful.
>
> Being able to answer all questions in a positive manner.
>
No one can do that.
> Successful handicapped people sell their employers and those around them
> on the idea that they are no different then anybody else. They have overcame
> their issues and function in the mainstream like everyone else.
>
> The internet Transsexuals and a few who live in Gay Ghettos don't understand
> this.
>
> Like it or not the Real World works by it's own rules.
> We have to play by those rules despite what the Ghetto Queens would tell you
> in their news messages.
>
> I have had a few discussions with an Autumn Sandeen one of these people.
> She doesn't understand that Transsexuals (the read ones) let alone TG people
> make up about 3% of the population and what these transfolk think, matters
> not in the big picture or when you go to 7/11 for a cup of coffee and a
> Breakfast Burger.
> Autumn would like to think she belongs to the majority and can dick-Tate
> what people think.
>
> The libertarian side of me would say:
> If you are not ready to confront ALL the issues involved in dealing with the
> real world your not completely transitioned and may not be a good candidate
> from the onset.
No one can do this either.
>
> If you can't tell your mother and father you are going to change sex you
> have no business doing it.
>
> be that as it may.......
>
> In a perfect world we would be able to accumulate all this data, we
> would be able to better help those who are considering SRS and be more
> informed as to the long term effects of our need to change sex.
> Unfortunately this runs counter to what we want, to blend in and just be
> normal people in the eyes of those around us.
>
> because we were needed to color outside of the lines we must educate
> ourselves enough to be prepared for when the crayon leaves the paper.
>
> No one of credibility will help us.
> Not that matters anyway.
>
Harry Benjamin seems to disagree with you here. Luckily, I see him as a
professional with a lot of credential and no grounds upon which to apply
them here. You've decided to color outside the lines, and he's decided
to draw a new line around your colors.
Again here, I'd like to emphasize that "superstitious" medical
professionals seem to be the rule rather than the exception.
And here is where we the foundering reach out to you the "reborn" and
say; "Remember what it was like before you started on your journey? Was
it worth it?"
Mel
>>
>> T.A.O.T.
>>
>
>
theart...@gmail.com
the journey.
OTOH we are venturing a bit off-topic here.
This is not about buyer's remorse, or about anti-trans biased doctors
(start a topic!) this is more of an impetus for discussing iatrogenic
disease in post-op TSes.
I just know that many of us have had GRS a few years ago or even longer
ago, and it would be cool to know what kinds of health issues people
are experiencing.
How many people having vision problems?
How many people are having urinary issues?
How many people are having hormonal problems, and if so, how many are
of a systemic nature?
How many of us are experiencing metabolic changes?
How many people have had problems with their neovagina several years
post-op?
How many people are having problems with implants?
The point is that that many people do have problems, yet they live in
isolation. It seems like the TS community is concerned more with
cheerleading and believing their own propaganda than with supporting
each other.
Nobody wants to hear about complications.
Nobody cares about the fact that a lot of surgery requires some
revision or touch-up.
Most problems are our own fault.
Why do so many TS people fail to follow instructions?
Just curious.
T.A.O.T.
Sue_A
"Melany Lawrence" <melanyl...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Sue_A wrote:
>> Life is full of risks, we take most of them for granted.
>>
>> For some of us the complications of SRS are limited to potential
>> bone loss and weight gain both of which are controllable. The emotional
>> changes are something that a Transitioning person should make themselves
>> aware of.
>
> Speaking only for myself: Almost any emotional change would have to be
> seen as either an improvement, or a new ability I have developed (read -
> Look ma! It works!). When it comes to emotional turmoil, I find it
> difficult to imagine that anything could be more convulsive, and
> simultaneously inert on the surface than what has been going on in this
> bundle of worn-out and mismatched socks for 40+ years.
There have been a few twists and turns after SRS.
the first 5 months i had postoperative depression.
Thankfully i knew it's source (lack of testosterone)
My body compensated and life went on.
> If they cannot manage the emotional changes then they are unsuitable for
>> transition from the beginning. The mind is nothing more then an
>> electro-chemical computer that can be programmed provided the firmware is
>> in good shape in the first place. This of course is what separates a drug
>> addict from someone who had a phase in their life, walked away ready to
>> move on to the nest phase.
>> Doctors are a dime a dozen, if one doesn't workout there are more.
>> Female doctor usually are more sympatric then males. We have to Believe
>> in who we are, because this is who we are and nothing can change that.
>> You have to adopt the same strategy successful handicapped people have
>> always adopted. (I know this better then anybody on this list) This
>> strategy involves the following.
>>
>> Liking yourself
>>
>> having high self confidence
>>
>> Being able to communicate your condition in a way that will sell your
>> care giver on the idea that what you did was the right thing to do.
>
> Herein lies a problem. Most of the medical professionals I am acquainted
> with are "religious" people. Their superstition (as I choose to classify
> it) precludes them from being impartial deeming the very idea sacreligious
> and/or sinful.
Then you are dealing with the wrong people.
A doctor that is less skilled who will be open minded is better then the
Expert.
>>
>> Being able to answer all questions in a positive manner.
>>
>
> No one can do that.
I have to disagree, you can and the rest is up to the listener.
I sold some rather picky people on the idea of haring a legally blind
electronics tech.
It takes above average interpersonal skills
The problem is that out of the dozen or so TS folk that i have coached only
3 have it in them to be able to do this.
One of them works for a rather well to do real estate company in SanDiego.
She overcame more then her TS-ness she was acrophobic.
Granted she is the exception to the rule.....
>> Successful handicapped people sell their employers and those around
>> them on the idea that they are no different then anybody else. They have
>> overcame their issues and function in the mainstream like everyone else.
>>
>> The internet Transsexuals and a few who live in Gay Ghettos don't
>> understand this.
>>
>> Like it or not the Real World works by it's own rules.
>> We have to play by those rules despite what the Ghetto Queens would tell
>> you in their news messages.
>>
>> I have had a few discussions with an Autumn Sandeen one of these
>> people.
>> She doesn't understand that Transsexuals (the read ones) let alone TG
>> people make up about 3% of the population and what these transfolk think,
>> matters not in the big picture or when you go to 7/11 for a cup of coffee
>> and a Breakfast Burger.
>> Autumn would like to think she belongs to the majority and can dick-Tate
>> what people think.
>>
>> The libertarian side of me would say:
>> If you are not ready to confront ALL the issues involved in dealing with
>> the real world your not completely transitioned and may not be a good
>> candidate from the onset.
>
> No one can do this either.
I understand your feelings I know it is possible.
many of us have done our homework and took years to prepare for what we must
become.
>>
>> If you can't tell your mother and father you are going to change sex you
>> have no business doing it.
>>
>> be that as it may.......
>>
>> In a perfect world we would be able to accumulate all this data, we
>> would be able to better help those who are considering SRS and be more
>> informed as to the long term effects of our need to change sex.
>> Unfortunately this runs counter to what we want, to blend in and just be
>> normal people in the eyes of those around us.
>>
>> because we were needed to color outside of the lines we must educate
>> ourselves enough to be prepared for when the crayon leaves the paper.
>>
>> No one of credibility will help us.
>> Not that matters anyway.
>>
>
> Harry Benjamin seems to disagree with you here. Luckily, I see him as a
> professional with a lot of credential and no grounds upon which to apply
> them here. You've decided to color outside the lines, and he's decided to
> draw a new line around your colors.
>
That's fine.
what matters is which lines are you coloring outside of.
The point i am trying to make is we have more control over our transitions
and our lives afterwards then most people (including ourselves) Think.
Don't go and transition tomorrow if you have not prepared yourself for what
to expect and how to deal with it. And For God's sake don't get stuck in
some self marginalizing Tranny Ghetto. If you do that you will Never
assimilate, and never be happy.
Those Tranny Ghettos are like the Slow lane on the Hiway or like the shallow
end of the pool. A good place to start but not a good place to stay.
Sue_A
<theart...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I think it goes without saying that many of us are glad to have made
> the journey.
>
> OTOH we are venturing a bit off-topic here.
>
> This is not about buyer's remorse, or about anti-trans biased doctors
> (start a topic!) this is more of an impetus for discussing iatrogenic
> disease in post-op TSes.
>
>
> I just know that many of us have had GRS a few years ago or even longer
> ago, and it would be cool to know what kinds of health issues people
> are experiencing.
>
> How many people having vision problems?
From Birth and SRS did not make it any worse
>
> How many people are having urinary issues?
After 3 years not yet....
>
> How many people are having hormonal problems, and if so, how many are
> of a systemic nature?
This Maybe...
My Endo is not as receptive to testing as i would like.....
Right now i Don't have any choice.
Give it 6 months.
> How many of us are experiencing metabolic changes?
Yes but it could be due to age.
Diet and exercise seem to minimize this.
> How many people have had problems with their neovagina several years
> post-op?
at nearly 3 years all works great.
This maybe due to the state of the surgical art...
My eye surgery i had in 1956 was gross compared to modern techniques.
I have torn muscles behind the iris of both eyes and had 3 surgeries in my
left eye to correct damage caused by the first surgery.
Surgery is an art...
> How many people are having problems with implants?
This would be good to know...
My Girlfriend has had implants for 3 years and so far so good.
I know there are people who have troubles with implants they are or were
problematic.
>
> The point is that that many people do have problems, yet they live in
> isolation. It seems like the TS community is concerned more with
> cheerleading and believing their own propaganda than with supporting
> each other.
>
> Nobody wants to hear about complications.
I think this could be qualified:
People who have little or no surgical history don't want to hear about
complications.
> Nobody cares about the fact that a lot of surgery requires some
> revision or touch-up.
>
Sadly this is true
>
> Most problems are our own fault.
> Why do so many TS people fail to follow instructions?
This is a good question...
I would add
Why do so many TS people seem to think all surgeons do the same work?
When in fact there is a big difference in who you go to.
> Just curious.
>
> T.A.O.T.
>
pmb...@yahoo.com
lbs. I decided the only way to regain control was to have a gastric
bypass. and stapeling.
I went to the interview and was told about how many died and the
complications. I stayed for a visit with the DR. I had to fill out a
small stack of questions.
Well when I got in he was reading the questionare and told me that or
no extra charge he would remove the uterus and if need be the gall
blader as he had to run the intestines anyway. The next question was
about children I told him I had 3. then he read the prevous operations.
and of course like a nice tranny I listed my SRS. He looked at it and
asked what it was. I told him it stood for Sex reasignment surgery. Oh.
Well are the 3 children adopted then?.
When I managed to wipe the smile off my face I explained that I was the
childrens father and had has a sex change to female.
sometimes it doesnt pay to tell people as even then they dont get it.
I did ask that he not list it on the pre sergical instructions but he
did anyway. He will not do that again. the nursing staff at the U of MN
was the very worst I have ever encountered. even the DR was very
displeased with them and read them out more than once.
I think I passed. But his outing me was very disrespectful.
P
Pangarune Corner
1. "We need an adhoc TS health initiative. If we
>> were to have a health survey, it would be interesting to see what a
>> larger statistical sample would show"
Those who think of themselves as women would not participate. I recall a
thread on the need for a prostate exam and one stated she would rather die
than have such an exam. That met with wide approval. I grant that the bias
you refer to is present, but with this conflict any study of post-op health
is impossible.
Stoller wanted to restrict SRS to clinics, so that such studies and follow
up could be done. You may recall how this was discarded.
So, as often for us, a conundrum. Yes we need the studies by we cannot have
the studies as too few would participate.
2. "But as we begin to age
>> and more so many years post-GRS we reach the threshold of the
>> cumulative risk(s)."
Yes, and anecdotally there appears to be other health issues that arise
after SRS. No linkage, but several have referred to that in past threads.
3. ">> Bypassing therapy and screening, then avoiding person-to-person and
>> in-person support, we further isolate ourselves and put ourselves at
>> risk"
Yes, indeed. There are good reasons for the Standards of Care and
follow-up.
4. "Once the honeymoon is over, some
>> people come forward and share their anecdotes about complications or
>> side effects, but for the most part they are shrill voices among the
>> nubes who just want to go through transition like it were a race. In
>> some cases I have observed a race to the bottom."
Yes, again. Often those who try to share such issues are hooted down.
5. ">> As the population grows older, we have an emerging middle aged
>> majority. An aging TS post-op population is reaching a critical mass
>> and that should show us what we did not know about years before, what
>> are the long term effects of taking estrogen and how do we differ from
>> the rest of the population in overall health?"
No studies are possible in the present situation. There is no "central
registry" and many do not wish to be identified in any way as TS women. I
wish that we could have such a study, but again, with many not even telling
their doctors for whatever reason any study would be impossible.
6. "> How many TS women have a physician that they have known for some
time,
> that knows their histories and who is supportive as opposed to adverse
> towards their TSity"
Few, I suspect. Medical professionals mirror the community around them.
Many do not think of SRS as a valid medical procedure and are not educated
in TS matters. We ourselves make candid discussion impossible. You cannot
hide your condition and then ask others to understand.
7. ">> How many of us know all to well that there are sensitivity issues
and
>> even worse, ignorance in healthcare providers in even the most affluent
>> or cosmopolitan cities. I have had four adverse encounters at hospital
>> emergency rooms."
I think many TS are much too sensitive and that simply adds to the ignorance
of health care providers and others. Granted there is bias and ignorance,
but one does not improve that by hiding. While I cannot mirror your
hospital experience (all of mine have been positive) a "born again" nurse at
my former doctor's office did create an issue. That was solved when I told
the doctor of her attitude. IF you do run into such treatment, one answer
is to take your complaint up the ladder. Transgender Health in Vancouver
does offer a range of information and will, on occasion, run seminars for
hospitals and clines to assist in eliminating this issue.
8. ">> Thousands of people and we hardly have any data.
>>"
Scattered in all directions and many hiding or wishing not to be known. Of
course we have no data! To have an valid data you have subjects ready to
come forward and "be counted".
9. " >> Just getting some stupid operation is not the only thing that
matters
>> if you are a TS, it is the overall quality of life!
>>
>> Emotional health.
>>
>> Physical health.
>>
>> Self-actualization.
>>"
Agreed.
10. ">> In a society that worships youth, it is obvious that we have high
>> turnover insofar as TS role models, yet this obsession with youth is
>> pushing out TS women of experience."
Yes, but so too in society at large. Perhaps a branch of AARP for TS only?
But who would join. In our favour - our population is aging.
Doing better? Would that we could.
As a tiny minority, we must take the responsibility of education, and that
includes our caregivers. I wonder how that can be done when so many will
not even tell medical professionals of their condition during exams and such
or even lab tests.
Willow
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Sue_A
"Pangarune Corner" <pang...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Some good points were raised by this thread.
>
> 1. "We need an adhoc TS health initiative. If we
>>> were to have a health survey, it would be interesting to see what a
>>> larger statistical sample would show"
>
> Those who think of themselves as women would not participate. I recall a
> thread on the need for a prostate exam and one stated she would rather die
> than have such an exam. That met with wide approval. I grant that the
> bias you refer to is present, but with this conflict any study of post-op
> health is impossible.
>
way.
Besides Estrogen is the best thing for prostrate health.
For those who are still worried there is a blood test.
Nobody needs to be sticking a finger up my output port.
Sue
no-one
> It is hard if not impossible to examine a prostrate if a neovagina is
> in the way.
> Besides Estrogen is the best thing for prostrate health.
>
> For those who are still worried there is a blood test.
> Nobody needs to be sticking a finger up my output port.
You must not be postop. It is easier to examine the prostate postop than it
is before surgery. It is done intervaginally but is usually atrophied to
near nonexistance.
Sue_A
"no-one" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Post-Op for 3 years.
My doctor insists on doing it the traditional way.
So i told her just do the blood test.
She agreed and went on to add that there is no reason to do a physical exam
unless one's PSA is elevated.
Since my PSA is in the noise there is no need to even do the blood test
except for every 3 years or so.
Sue
And how long have you been Post-Op
no-one
I don't know how it would even be possible in the "traditional" way.
19 years.
pmb...@yahoo.com
would eventually be found out and like abortion clinics we would be
outed to the public on TV and with protestss. Doctors would be even
more afraid to help us.
Insurance is a very strange thing. I got it all done with Medica
coverage. it only took the comisioner of Insurance to make one phone
call. In minnesota BCBS and Health one have covered surgery.
Companys like 3M make sure that it is covered. over a 100 major
companys now have it in there policys.
back in 99 about 2 months before I went for SRS a friend who was at 3M
had visited schrang and He would take her insurance with proper
authorization from the insurer. they balked, the Personel director at
3M called the Insurance company and told them they would cover it, the
company argued and she kept on going up the ladder, finally she reached
someone important and when they said its not in the policy, She said
they would cover it, by then she was a little pised. the woman at the
Insurance company again said it wasnt covered, the 3M personel director
said, No you dont understand I
BUY the INSURANE, You will cover it or I wll buy from another company.
No one from 3m was ever turned down after that.. sometimes it take one
good understanding person to talk the launguage the insurance company
speaks, MONEY TALKS.
P
pmb...@yahoo.com
checked easily with a finger. some of the new imiging machines can do
it without being invasive. It is not a good feeling to have a finger up
there.
Our use of Estrigine and other drugs can make the proswtrate soft and
small but if certain Cancers are there they may just go dormant and
years later have something reactivate them.
The PSA is nessessary at least every 3 years.
Hiding personal information from your doctor can kill you. Not so bad
but it may take years and a lot of pain.
If you can not trust your doctor find one you can.If anyone gives you
shit tell the DR, they wont do it again, and if they do they will be
history when you mention your lawyers name.
P
pmb...@yahoo.com
way. its small and soft but the doctor and the intern found it. and I
was rather humiliated.
I dont like anything up there.
P
Pangarune Corner
"> I have had a few discussions with an Autumn Sandeen one of these
people.
> She doesn't understand that Transsexuals (the read ones) let alone TG
> people make up about 3% of the population and what these transfolk think,
> matters not in the big picture or when you go to 7/11 for a cup of coffee
> and a Breakfast Burger.
> Autumn would like to think she belongs to the majority and can dick-Tate
> what people think."
I do not know Autumn but suspect she simply has another opinion. How in
heaven's name does any TS "dictate" to the others? Noting the person is
from San Diego, is this one of the oppositon to Sue Anne Robins???
As to 3%? That would mean about 3 million TS in the USA. Where on earth
does this figure come from, excluding as it does all those who have merged
into society as women (presumably) and TGs? THREE MILLION???
Nonsense.
W.
>
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>
>
Pangarune Corner
But bear in mind when I raised this issue before here, one TS stated that
she "would rather die" than have such a test.
W.
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3% seems high. but lets look at it. we know of at least 60,000 that
have had SRS from m2f. there are more than that for F2m but most cannot
affored compleate surgery. We used to refer to them as butch. We listed
them in our minds as just male like lesbians.
times have changed in the last 5 years alone
Now lets add the 6% of the male population we call CD's and
Transvestites. Very few women play this game.
A case could be made for .3% and a desmal point error. No one really
knows. as most men who crossdress do so only in private and in secrecy.
P
Pangarune Corner
W.
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Sue_A
If someone were to examine any post-Op's prostrate they would need a finger
atleast 3 inches long. To reach it from the neovaginal opening.
The traditional route is shorter by virtue of the positioning of the anus in
relation to the prostrate.
Sue
Sue_A
<pmb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I disagree Sue. I have had a lot of prostrate problems, and it can be
> checked easily with a finger. some of the new imiging machines can do
> it without being invasive. It is not a good feeling to have a finger up
> there.
>
> Our use of Estrigine and other drugs can make the proswtrate soft and
> small but if certain Cancers are there they may just go dormant and
> years later have something reactivate them.
>
> The PSA is nessessary at least every 3 years.
>
> Hiding personal information from your doctor can kill you. Not so bad
> but it may take years and a lot of pain.
>
I don't hade information from my doctor and since i have Medicare I don't
need to hide anything from the insurance company.
The only time any eyebrows are raised is when the subject of Medicare comes
up.
Then i have to explain i am disabled
> If you can not trust your doctor find one you can.If anyone gives you
> shit tell the DR, they wont do it again, and if they do they will be
> history when you mention your lawyers name.
The doctor i had in SanDiego and the one i have in San Antonio are
trustworthy.
Take Care
Hugs
Sue
Sue_A
> Noted in a reply...
>
> "> I have had a few discussions with an Autumn Sandeen one of these
> people.
>> She doesn't understand that Transsexuals (the read ones) let alone TG
>> people make up about 3% of the population and what these transfolk think,
>> matters not in the big picture or when you go to 7/11 for a cup of coffee
>> and a Breakfast Burger.
>> Autumn would like to think she belongs to the majority and can dick-Tate
>> what people think."
>
> I do not know Autumn but suspect she simply has another opinion. How in
> heaven's name does any TS "dictate" to the others? Noting the person is
> from San Diego, is this one of the oppositon to Sue Anne Robins???
>
Many in SanDiego buy into the kind of self marginalizing propaganda that
Sandeen spouts.
> As to 3%? That would mean about 3 million TS in the USA. Where on earth
> does this figure come from, excluding as it does all those who have merged
> into society as women (presumably) and TGs? THREE MILLION???
>
The reference to 3% was in the context of TG people which is a close
approximation it's based on an estimate of everyone that has ever expressed
transgender feelings.
as far as Transsexuals go excluding Autogynophiles and other perverts. maybe
100000 in the US.
I am sorry if you misunderstood my statment.
> Nonsense.
>
> W.
Sue
Sue_A
sorry.
Hugs
Sue
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no-one
> Apparently you are not aware of how the body is laid out inside.
> If someone were to examine any post-Op's prostrate they would need a
> finger atleast 3 inches long. To reach it from the neovaginal opening.
>
> The traditional route is shorter by virtue of the positioning of the
> anus in relation to the prostrate.
Now you've convinced me you're not postop.
Sue_A
if you would bother to study a little anatomy and Perhaps bone up on modern
SRS technique. which is much better then what was done 20 years ago you
would find out that I am correct.
and yes Post-Op for nearly 3 years now thanks to Dr Suporn
November 21 2003.
In the end it matters not what you think i know what i am sitting on.
Take Care
Sue
Jennifer Usher
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> For many of us, side-effects and potential complications and long-term
> risks don't seem to matter when we transition. But as we begin to age
> and more so many years post-GRS we reach the threshold of the
> cumulative risk(s). For some reason, many of us drop out of support
> groups. Sad. This creates a real vaccum as far as exposing people to
> peers in various states of transition. Even more so with the advent of
> the internet. Most people get everything theyneed on the web, including
> cliffnotes and tips from other social engineered types who typically
> avoid therapy like the plague and see it only as gate-keeping rather
> than facillitation and a safety net.
Yes, I agree, that is very sad. There is even a Yahoo list that specializes
in telling people how to circumvent the safeguards and bypass the Standards
of Care.
> Bypassing therapy and screening, then avoiding person-to-person and
> in-person support, we further isolate ourselves and put ourselves at
> risk.
>
> I know that for the most part, most modern diseases are iatrogenic.
> That means medically caused. Perhaps it is unfair to use this term
> since a great many people self-medicate and use medical professionals
> in a piecemeal, non congruous fashion. Once the honeymoon is over, some
> people come forward and share their anecdotes about complications or
> side effects, but for the most part they are shrill voices among the
> nubes who just want to go through transition like it were a race. In
> some cases I have observed a race to the bottom. Many girls in a hurry
> taking hormones of unknown origin and effacy, or horror shows like Dr.
> Brown who worked out of hotel rooms. And still worse, silicone pumping
> parties.
You know, it has been my observation that those who are in the biggest hurry
to get to the finish line are usually those who clearly should not have SRS.
I see a lot of that here in San Francisco, particularly given my job. It is
truly sad sometimes. Few of them actually make it to surgery, but even in a
place where hormones are readily available at little or no cost for almost
anyone, we still have people buying on the street, and injected silicone is
not uncommon. This is more of a problem with Latina girls, but it is not
unheard of for those from other backgrounds as well.
> As the population grows older, we have an emerging middle aged
> majority. An aging TS post-op population is reaching a critical mass
> and that should show us what we did not know about years before, what
> are the long term effects of taking estrogen and how do we differ from
> the rest of the population in overall health?
I know one woman who had a the colon procedure some years ago. She
developed a rather strange set of symptoms, and was worried that she might
have cancer. It turned out to be a lack of nutrients that are normally
absorbed from food passing through the final stages of digestion. She now
has to undergo a somewhat unpleasant medical treatments to take care of
this.
> How many TS women have a physician that they have known for some time,
> that knows their histories and who is supportive as opposed to adverse
> towards their TSity.
Unfortunately, I had one, but she is back in Alabama. I miss her. She was
a wonderful doctor, who was very supportive. I am now in the process of
establishing new medical relationships.
> How many of us know all to well that there are sensitivity issues and
> even worse, ignorance in healthcare providers in even the most affluent
> or cosmopolitan cities. I have had four adverse encounters at hospital
> emergency rooms.
I am lucky for the most part. My HMO is very supportive, and they are
working to improve health care for us. But that is unusual. And yes, I
have encountered a few who were less than ideal. I have only had one really
unpleasant experience in the ER. And that was as much because the doctor I
saw was just incompetent concerning diabetes as that he was insensitive to
transsexualism.
> I consider this an indication of a systemic problem as opposed to being
> an abberation.
>
> Even if your presentation is such that only your history gives away
> your TS status, just the knowledge of such makes you subject to adverse
> treatment. Doctors avoiding eye contact, even avoiding the actual exam
> as if you had cooties. When I broke my back, the doctor at the ER did
> not touch me! He actually avoided looking at my back!!! Had I not
> compelled them to take xrays, that clod would have sent me home with a
> broken back as if nothing happened at all. I was sharing my
> neurological symptoms and that idiot just blew me off... was it
> incompetence or bias?
It is likely bias. I am surprised that a doctor would be that callous. I
do recall one idiot, an EMT student, who put on two pairs of gloves before
doing an EKG. I mean, that bothered me on several levels, not the least of
which is that he clearly was ignorant of the facts concerning HIV
transmission. Then again, I once corrected a nursing student for failing to
wear gloves while doing a finger stick to check my blood sugar. As I told
her, I was not afraid of her giving me anything, and I knew that I did not
have anything, but she did NOT know that I did not have anything.
> Perhaps some healthcare professionals have a bias where if they
> percieve that a patient does something that puts them at risk, then
> they have less sympathy, such as smokers, extreme athetes, auto racers,
> etc. Maybe they think it is a moral issue, and they feel that they are
> enabling our deviant behavior (sic).
That is probably part of it. In some cases, it may be honest fear of not
knowing how to treat us.
> It is not until you reach a chronological theshold that the cumulative
> health risks start to catch up with you. I have met a number of
> geriatric TS women who seemed to have a cascade of issues
> postoperatively. Looking back, I recall using long-term followup data
> on men undgergoing orchidectomy as a benchmark. It seemed that obesity
> was the most common issue along with some emotional changes, which i
> chalked up to the fact that the castrations were involuntary. It is
> well-established that most eunichs are overweight, but on balance,
> genetics and other variants must be factored in.
>
> It is too bad that TS women fade into the woodwork as far as being
> followed up medically. We need an adhoc TS health initiative. If we
> were to have a health survey, it would be interesting to see what a
> larger statistical sample would show.
Yes, there has been talk of such a study, but the problem is finding people
to participate. And also getting funding.
> Think about it. Think how many of us undergo GRS?
>
> Thousands of people and we hardly have any data.
>
> What can most of us expect in our advancing years?
That is a question that many of us wonder about.
> In a society that worships youth, it is obvious that we have high
> turnover insofar as TS role models, yet this obsession with youth is
> pushing out TS women of experience. Nobody cares about the fact that
> there are some of us out there who transitioned decades ago. Someone
> who just got their 30k makovers, or was just on Hopra thainks that is
> more important than listening to someone who transitioned before it was
> safe or cool to be TS. THOSE people have some stories to tell. I know,
> I am one of them and I think it is really sad that many people think
> that being the latest flash in the pan is some sort of credential to be
> a media icon.
I am on a mailing list where there are several older post-op women. I will
make some inquiries to see if they can offer any insight.
> Just getting some stupid operation is not the only thing that matters
> if you are a TS, it is the overall quality of life!
>
> Emotional health.
>
> Physical health.
>
> Self-actualization.
>
>
> I see a lot of hey, look at me sort of stuff, and lots of here is my
> FFS picture and my trip to Trinidad or whatev, but what about outcome
> on all levels. Mute.
>
> C'mon, we can do better than this.
I agree.
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Jennifer Usher
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> you make some good points. I went into the VA urgent care once 5 years
> ago with a sore throat. I am diabetic, I knew what I had as its a
> frequentoffender, thrush.
>
> It takes a few Dyflucan pills and is gone for a couple years or so.
>
> the young DR (intern???) took hours to get back to me in the exam room.
> Seems that since I had SRS, He wanted to know if I had an HIV test
> recently. Not do I know why I have it. well I chewed his ass ou6t
> royally including telling him it was no business if I had an HIV test.
> And that my sex life was not up for his opinion.
You should not be offended that he asked. HIV rates are very high among
"transgender" women. When I am asked, I explain why my risk is relatively
low, and accept one if it is due. I take the opportunity to educate where
it is needed.
Jennifer Usher
> Some good points were raised by this thread.
>
> 1. "We need an adhoc TS health initiative. If we
> >> were to have a health survey, it would be interesting to see what a
> >> larger statistical sample would show"
>
> Those who think of themselves as women would not participate. I recall a
> thread on the need for a prostate exam and one stated she would rather die
> than have such an exam. That met with wide approval. I grant that the
bias
> you refer to is present, but with this conflict any study of post-op
health
> is impossible.
Once again, Billy Boy makes statements intended to insult, rather than
inform. First off, we don't think of ourselves as women, we are women.
Second, what he asserts is simply not true. I would welcome such a study,
and the comparision to prostate exams and such is ridculous. There is
simply no reason for a post-op woman to undergo such an indignity. If her
previous tests showed no problems, then the chance of having problems after
surgey are about the same as a woman born woman. (And yes, women born women
have a "prostate" gland. It is called a paraurethral gland, and if it does
develop cancer, it results in an elevated PSA.) I realize that some
actually take some delight in having such tests, but they are not needed.
> Stoller wanted to restrict SRS to clinics, so that such studies and follow
> up could be done. You may recall how this was discarded.
There were many good reasons for moving away from the clinic system.
> So, as often for us, a conundrum. Yes we need the studies by we cannot
have
> the studies as too few would participate.
An assertion by an idiot with no basis in fact. The biggest problem would
be getting the word out, not getting people to participate.
> 2. "But as we begin to age
> >> and more so many years post-GRS we reach the threshold of the
> >> cumulative risk(s)."
>
> Yes, and anecdotally there appears to be other health issues that arise
> after SRS. No linkage, but several have referred to that in past threads.
There are risks, but probably not significantly greater than those for aging
women. Still, it would be worth researching to determine what the situation
really is.
> 3. ">> Bypassing therapy and screening, then avoiding person-to-person
and
> >> in-person support, we further isolate ourselves and put ourselves at
> >> risk"
>
> Yes, indeed. There are good reasons for the Standards of Care and
> follow-up.
Unfortunately, Billy Boy is a good example of someone who was able to
circumvent them by lying, and such,
> 4. "Once the honeymoon is over, some
> >> people come forward and share their anecdotes about complications or
> >> side effects, but for the most part they are shrill voices among the
> >> nubes who just want to go through transition like it were a race. In
> >> some cases I have observed a race to the bottom."
>
> Yes, again. Often those who try to share such issues are hooted down.
People generally get hooted down because they are ignorant men trying to
force themselves on others.
> 5. ">> As the population grows older, we have an emerging middle aged
> >> majority. An aging TS post-op population is reaching a critical mass
> >> and that should show us what we did not know about years before, what
> >> are the long term effects of taking estrogen and how do we differ from
> >> the rest of the population in overall health?"
>
> No studies are possible in the present situation. There is no "central
> registry" and many do not wish to be identified in any way as TS women. I
> wish that we could have such a study, but again, with many not even
telling
> their doctors for whatever reason any study would be impossible.
Again, a statement made from ignorance, not facts.
> 6. "> How many TS women have a physician that they have known for some
> time,
> > that knows their histories and who is supportive as opposed to adverse
> > towards their TSity"
>
> Few, I suspect. Medical professionals mirror the community around them.
> Many do not think of SRS as a valid medical procedure and are not educated
> in TS matters. We ourselves make candid discussion impossible. You
cannot
> hide your condition and then ask others to understand.
Billy Boy again shows his ignorance. I know of few, if any, transsexuals
who hide that fact from their personal doctors. My policy is simple. If it
is not relevant to the situation, I don't mention it. For example, I don't
feel it is necessary for my eye doctor to know more than that I take
hormones (they can have some effect on the curvature of the cornea), whereas
my primary care doctor, as well as my GYN certainly know. Of course, it
would hard for them to not know, since my HMO covered my SRS.
> 7. ">> How many of us know all to well that there are sensitivity issues
> and
> >> even worse, ignorance in healthcare providers in even the most affluent
> >> or cosmopolitan cities. I have had four adverse encounters at hospital
> >> emergency rooms."
>
> I think many TS are much too sensitive and that simply adds to the
ignorance
> of health care providers and others. Granted there is bias and ignorance,
> but one does not improve that by hiding. While I cannot mirror your
> hospital experience (all of mine have been positive) a "born again" nurse
at
> my former doctor's office did create an issue. That was solved when I
told
> the doctor of her attitude. IF you do run into such treatment, one answer
> is to take your complaint up the ladder. Transgender Health in Vancouver
> does offer a range of information and will, on occasion, run seminars for
> hospitals and clines to assist in eliminating this issue.
Good grief, what an ass. No, we are not too sensitive. Many transsexuals
have suffered humiliation because of ignorant and insensitive doctors. And
yet, living in heart of the Bible belt, I had few problems. The worst I
encountered was a doctor who wanted to admit me to the hospital, but who
informed me that a private room was not available, and that since I was
prd-op at the time I would be put in with a male. Fortunately it turned out
that it was not necessary for me to be admitted (He was incomptent, and had
made an absurd diagnosis.) and so the problem was averted. During a
previous admission to the same hospital, my personl doctor had ordered a
private room to avoid such problems. An eye doctor specifically instructed
his staff that I was to be referred to properly, and to be treated kindly.
That was before I had legally changed my name. Other doctors were equally
kind. Of course, here in San Francisco, problems are generally unheard of.
> 8. ">> Thousands of people and we hardly have any data.
> >>"
>
> Scattered in all directions and many hiding or wishing not to be known.
Of
> course we have no data! To have an valid data you have subjects ready to
> come forward and "be counted".
It is extremely insulting when idiots like Billy Boy accuse people of
"hiding." He cannot possibly assimilate, so anyone who can must be
insulted.
> 9. " >> Just getting some stupid operation is not the only thing that
> matters
> >> if you are a TS, it is the overall quality of life!
> >>
> >> Emotional health.
> >>
> >> Physical health.
> >>
> >> Self-actualization.
> >>"
>
> Agreed.
And yet, he has none of this.
> 10. ">> In a society that worships youth, it is obvious that we have high
> >> turnover insofar as TS role models, yet this obsession with youth is
> >> pushing out TS women of experience."
>
> Yes, but so too in society at large. Perhaps a branch of AARP for TS
only?
> But who would join. In our favour - our population is aging.
>
> Doing better? Would that we could.
>
> As a tiny minority, we must take the responsibility of education, and that
> includes our caregivers. I wonder how that can be done when so many will
> not even tell medical professionals of their condition during exams and
such
> or even lab tests.
Unfortunately, Billy Boy is not a part of any "we." He is pretty much one
of a kind.
Jennifer Usher
"Sue_A" <M...@e.org> wrote in message news:RtdSg.1224$xI4.755@fed1read11...
> It is hard if not impossible to examine a prostrate if a neovagina is in
the
> way.
> Besides Estrogen is the best thing for prostrate health.
>
> For those who are still worried there is a blood test.
> Nobody needs to be sticking a finger up my output port.
Very true.
Jennifer Usher
> You must not be postop. It is easier to examine the prostate postop than
it
> is before surgery. It is done intervaginally but is usually atrophied to
> near nonexistance.
A bimanual exam is part of any GYN exam. It is not particularly done for
prostate, but by your own remarks, you show a bit of flawed reasoning. Sue
is objecting to a rectal exam, and you are basically verifying what she
said. It would be a very poor way of finding the prostate in a post-op.
And a doctor doing a bimanual, particularly one who has a shred of
sensitivity, might well not mention the prostate.
Jennifer Usher
> Agreed - the test is a necessary medical test over a certain age..
And Billy Boy has his medical degree from where? Perhaps a box of Cracker
Jack, like his law degree.
No, the test is not really necessary. A Medline search shows that prostate
cancer in post-ops is considered very rare. Just as it is in women in
general (though when a biological woman has it, they call it something
else).
Of course, I would imagine any doctor encountering Billy Boy would think it
was. He certainly looks like a man.
> But bear in mind when I raised this issue before here, one TS stated that
> she "would rather die" than have such a test.
It is very unlikely that she would.
Jennifer Usher
> I do not know Autumn but suspect she simply has another opinion. How in
> heaven's name does any TS "dictate" to the others? Noting the person is
> from San Diego, is this one of the oppositon to Sue Anne Robins???
He wouldn't, since he is not allowed on most TS mailing lists.
> As to 3%? That would mean about 3 million TS in the USA. Where on earth
> does this figure come from, excluding as it does all those who have merged
> into society as women (presumably) and TGs? THREE MILLION???
ROTLF! What a moron. No, it would men something close to 3 million who
identify as some form of TG. TG is something of a fad these days, and that
number would include very few transsexuals.
Jennifer Usher
> A case could be made for making up things as well...
Of course, Billy Boy does it all the time.
Jennifer Usher
<pmb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> W
>
>
> 3% seems high. but lets look at it. we know of at least 60,000 that
> have had SRS from m2f. there are more than that for F2m but most cannot
> affored compleate surgery. We used to refer to them as butch. We listed
> them in our minds as just male like lesbians.
>
> times have changed in the last 5 years alone
>
> Now lets add the 6% of the male population we call CD's and
> Transvestites. Very few women play this game.
I don't think the number of CDs and TVs are that high, but they would be
included in the 3%, which was cited as TGs, not TSs.
Autumn Sandeen
grapevine my name has been mentioned here and that there was a comment
made that I "dick-tate."
I've read over posts in this thread, and I'm not exactly clear on what
the "self marginalizing propaganda" is that I'm supporting, or what I'm
"dick-tating." I would appreciate having the text of my "self
marginalizing propaganda" actually quoted verbatim in this forum, so I
can intelligently respond -- if a response is warranted.
But as for what axioms I hold true that guide my actions:
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be
demanded by the oppressed. --Martin Luther King Jr.
When an individual is protesting society's refusal to acknowledge
his dignity as a human being, his very act of protest confers dignity
on him. --Bayard Rustin
The good neighbor looks beyond the external accidents and discerns
those inner qualities that make all men human and, therefore, brothers.
--Martin Luther King Jr.
If these axioms are elements of "self marginalizing propaganda," then I
do embrace my "self marginalizing propaganda" without remorse.
--Autumn--
Sue
"Autumn Sandeen" <changing...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Sue
You tend to support an US against Then attitude with it comes to the
mainstream.
we have discussed this before and you have chose to ban me from groups that
you moderate because of my belief.
Have a nice day.
Sue
"Autumn Sandeen" <changing...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Pangarune Corner
My deepest condolences.
I imagine that the departure of Sue Anne Robins from the Dan Diego area was
greeted with joy. A troublemaker heading off to Texas where she can buy and
openly carry an automatic weapon (one of the great rights she wants to
exercises) must have brought relief.
still, there may be some solace in her return.
No more is she "one of those" - the nasty TG types and worse. She is, as
she has often announced here (no one else would believe it) "100% woman" and
no longer wishers to associate with the TG/TS crowd. She is above that, a
simple woman who wishes to disappear.
So, it follows that she would never join any TS/TG group again. No!!
Never!!!!. Such would "brand" her as "one of them". Nor would she, a true
militia type, rejoin her former employer and work for a gay newspaper.
Never!!! Why, that would be degrading and furthering what she calls the
"gay agenda".
I can only hope that the person who opened doors to her upon her return is
patient enough to put up with her right wing views. after all, the only
real news is on those kooky radio stations that carry Rush and the others
(none of whom are in it for the money, of course).
Bah! Best she tries to spy again, returning to her old haunts and covering
her tracks.
W.
"Autumn Sandeen" <changing...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Jennifer Usher
> My deepest condolences.
>
> I imagine that the departure of Sue Anne Robins from the Dan Diego area
was
> greeted with joy. A troublemaker heading off to Texas where she can buy
and
> openly carry an automatic weapon (one of the great rights she wants to
> exercises) must have brought relief.
What a complete idiot. Automatic weapons are banned by Federal law, and I
have never seen Sue mention wanting to carry one.
> still, there may be some solace in her return.
>
> No more is she "one of those" - the nasty TG types and worse. She is, as
> she has often announced here (no one else would believe it) "100% woman"
and
> no longer wishers to associate with the TG/TS crowd. She is above that, a
> simple woman who wishes to disappear.
Sue has never made such a statement. This is a common claim by Billy Boy,
but one that cannot be backed up.
> So, it follows that she would never join any TS/TG group again. No!!
> Never!!!!. Such would "brand" her as "one of them". Nor would she, a
true
> militia type, rejoin her former employer and work for a gay newspaper.
> Never!!! Why, that would be degrading and furthering what she calls the
> "gay agenda".
>
> I can only hope that the person who opened doors to her upon her return is
> patient enough to put up with her right wing views. after all, the only
> real news is on those kooky radio stations that carry Rush and the others
> (none of whom are in it for the money, of course).
>
> Bah! Best she tries to spy again, returning to her old haunts and
covering
> her tracks.
Billy Boy is back to his old cyber-stalking routine, but with a new victim.
No problem, I will just inform Sue of the proper steps to deal with him.
pmb...@yahoo.com
trouble. automatic refers only to the puting of a new shell into the
chamber. Full automatic is a machine gun. Illegal by federal law. only
very rich can aford to get a liscence for them and they are not about
to carry it in the open.
P
Sue
<pmb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Texas handgun carry laws are no open carry, if it can be seen you in
> trouble. automatic refers only to the puting of a new shell into the
> chamber. Full automatic is a machine gun. Illegal by federal law. only
> very rich can aford to get a liscence for them and they are not about
> to carry it in the open.
>
Hugs
Sue
theart...@gmail.com
It seems like Willow and other trouble-makers are sidetracking us
repeatably with stuff like gun innuendos. Hello?!
This is about medically-caused health issues!
If some wants to take up misrepresentations of past posts, start new
topics.
I just feel that a certain troll delights in diverting the flow of this
NG.
Just because Sue supports the right to bear arms does not make them a
gun fanatic or militia member. On the other hand, outsiders had better
respect the people who have been here a while.
Play by the rules.
Be the fly on the wall before posting.
Starve a troll feed a topic!
T.A.O.T.
Jennifer Usher
> trouble. automatic refers only to the puting of a new shell into the
> chamber. Full automatic is a machine gun. Illegal by federal law. only
> very rich can aford to get a liscence for them and they are not about
> to carry it in the open.
Well, technically, automatic is a machine gun, what you are referring to as
automatic would be a semi-automatic.
Personally, I don't care for guns. But I respect the right to carry one if
you feel the need.
pmb...@yahoo.com
fully automatic. it machine gun, full auto. automatic as in auto
loader. revolver. automatic revolver. and yes there was one made in
england.
most police use auto pistals. they used to use double actions which
ment they pulled the trigger and it cocked the hammer and let it fall
in one mothion. the old Single action is like the Colt .45 of the old
west.
I have at one time or another used all. I trained on the origional M-16
that had a full auto switch, and was wonderful to shoot at the range.
But it did not do well in combat for a few years. the gun was made on
the cheep as Macnemara nixed the crome chamber and it did not have a
ram for making sure a dirty gun seated properly.
It is still with us and is no one of the best weapons system made.
Pauline