About: Thoughts on newsgroup participation
June Hingle
is who you are Diane. Along with the common sense you have to pass
the digs. What good does criticizing all the negatives do when you
add to them? What good does it do when you talk kindly about someone
then tell everyone that person is an idiot or a twit or f*****t, just
as Natasha has done to do? Where does that behavior get either one of
you?
The sublimnal message you stick down at the bottom; What good does
that do and how do you think other people see you especially when it
is largely you who has the personal vendetta, not everyone else in
these groups? I've met Laura's lesser side. She has been vile to me.
I nor anyone here can do much about that, yet you will still respond
to her and cajole her and her memory incessantly. These aren't adroit
acts of kindness or wisdom Diane.
You people talk about the issue of "depression". I have never met so
many self-centered people until I came to USENET. The world does not
revolve around the TG community unless you people think that there is
no other. Amy said something to Michelle S. the other day and used
the words "you guys". Michelle was offended by this. I thought that
was a bit absurd. I am not offended by such a thing. I use that
expression myself. What I am offended by is that so many TG's expect
that the world is going to hell and that society will never accept
them. Perhaps it's the other way around.
Enjoy your time away from here. I intend to do likewise. You and
others have my email address and phone # if you care to write or call.
I will never close my communication lines to you, although I can
assume that you have your apprehensions.
June
Natasha Thompson
> I read your message written to Amy and hopefully, to the others.
Sorry June but Diane specifically said, .. "Amy you are the only new
person of any substance that I have seen here in the entire month
that I have returned and even some of the old regulars that I used to
know seem to be rotting in this environment."
I think Diane's assessment is based on the fact that like she herself,
Amy hates me, and has unceasingly expressed it here openly. Diane
wants her as an ally.
> This is who you are Diane. Along with the common sense you have to
> pass the digs. What good does criticizing all the negatives do when
> you add to them?
Yes June that is who Diane is. She provokes angry reactions by baiting
people relentlessly, using poking prodding inferences and cruel
innuendo. Wearing her haughty disdain as a sneer, Diane attacks the
character of any she self righteously deems, unworthy of participation
here.
Every time Diane returns she provokes flame wars purposely, in hopes
of blaming the level of conflict she engineers, on those whom she has
been abusing for years long before you ever showed up June. You have
not observed her endlessly repeat this pattern, so you buy into her
manipulative ploy a little, and blame those who stand up to her as you
do me below.
> What good does it do when you talk kindly about someone
> then tell everyone that person is an idiot or a twit or f*****t, just
> as Natasha has done to do? Where does that behavior get either one of
> you?
After you have been around a little longer June, you too will see that
by standing up to Diane and exposing her bigotry, classism, paranoia
and her MO as I have outlined above, that she will leave for
increasingly longer periods of time, allowing peace to return here at
least for a time. Some of us have learned that if we ignore Diane she
makes things worse and worse.
Condemn me all you like June, whatever pleases you.
Do you realize that by so speaking of me in "your plea for peace",
that you have emulated the very behavior of Diane which you call into
question in this post, that of mixing "kindness" with slanderous
provocation?
That is the insidious and sinister effect Diane has here. Her wicked
attitude is seductive, and spreads like a virus.
>
> The sublimnal message you stick down at the bottom;
Subliminal? Seems rather a blatant provocation of Laura to me.
> What good does that do and how do you think other people see you
> especially when it is largely you who has the personal vendetta, not
> everyone else in these groups?
She does it purposely June. Do you think that you are the first person
to reason with her? I tried to before also. Diane practices divide and
conquer as her prime tactic, *because she wants to conquer*. Can't you
see that yet? She wants to dominate and control. THAT is Diane.
> I've met Laura's lesser side. She has been vile to me. I nor anyone
> here can do much about that, yet you will still respond to her and cajole
> her and her memory incessantly. These aren't adroit acts of kindness
> or wisdom Diane.
Diane has been *using* Laura's anger here for years June. She uses
Laura like a tool now, wears her like a cheap suit. Diane knows that
all she has to do, is make a provocative post to Laura in one of the
CD groups, and Laura will come running here and *return fire* to
Diane. Then Diane can play victim, and heroic defender of all things
good and pure. This is Diane's method of gaining support by divide and
conquer
It is the same OLD ploy Diane has been using for years June. Divide
and conquer, *provoke covertly* and defend against 'return fire'
openly, to gain support against the "apparent" aggressor.
>
> You people talk about the issue of "depression". I have never met so
> many self-centered people until I came to USENET.
Sorry I wrote a really good post from the heart about that subject
yesterday, which was well received and got me a little respect. That
must be very galling for Diane.
If I in any small way, have a thing to do with Diane leaving even for
a short time, I am very pleased.
By the way June, you have atitudes in common with both Laura and Diane
now. Laura also thinks that we are are "self-centered", and Diane
considers herself 'above the rest of us' because, well in her words,
"Amy is the only new person of any substance that I have seen
here",... .
>
> Enjoy your time away from here. I intend to do likewise. You and
> others have my email address and phone # if you care to write or call.
> I will never close my communication lines to you, although I can
> assume that you have your apprehensions.
> June
June one of Diane's other stock manipulations is to reject those whom
she wants, to have them eating out of her hand later. She wants you to
feel slighted, rejected, and then work to gain her acceptance. You
'will' get feigned acceptance, but only on her terms, and at a great
cost to your integrity.
I have watched this play out repetitiously, e.g., Elaine, Jennifer
Usher, Christine, and now you too? I sure hope not.
Diane divides, then rejects (subtracts), gets you to want her
acceptance and 'join' her other lapdogs (multiplies), and gets you to
'lower' yourself to her level (brings down). That is the formula for
'long division' by the way.
Divide, subtract, multiply, bring down. That is Diane's way, and it
stinks.
Natasha
June Hingle
each tidbit of fault. :)
Natasha, when you make a statement like "having Diane stay with you if
she was really in trouble", then in another following post turn around
and call her an idiot, I must say that the honesty of your commitment
is just a bit ludicrous. I'm not making fun of your statements but I
am just putting them together in one sentence in my mind. It doesn't
work and you know damn well that hell would have to freeze over before
you did as much as swat the fly off of Diane's nose.
You instantly put me into a category with Diane and Laura. Honey, I
wrote a short story about Laura and Diane and their moment of
reckoning. Ask Theoni, she thought it was a prize winner. It is not
a place where I'd like to be and if I'm lucky Theoni will have thrown
out that email so my reputation will remain unscathed. :)
I really don't hold anything against anyone, not really. If Diane
called or emailed me, then I would probably reply. I will not be the
one to go begging for her respect or affection. She does not appeal
to me one way or another. Neither does 99% of the female public
including you, Amy, Julie, Jennifer and Elaine (her fuzzy butt shots
are exempt from this issue). ;)
I believe that your going after Diane was excessive. It was
disruptive. If you feel that it served a good cause OK, fine. In the
process you gathered a few doubtful remarks from others including
myself. If you feel that I am now on your enemy list because I stood
up and said what I felt then that would be your choice. Other than
that Natasha, I consider you a friend. My meaning of "friend" is a
person who I would stand up for if they needed me. It also means
someone who I care enough about to not give them a stack of bull dukie
just to cover my own tracks.
June
Christine Beatty
>I seriously disagree with you about Christine. I've never seen her "work to
>gain" anyone's acceptance here. It's one of the things I like about her.
>Another thing I like about her is her ability to walk away from a
>friendship. That ability, to me, is indicative of self esteem and maturity.
>Only the seriously insecure hang onto friendships that have become toxic,
>for fear of losing it.
Thanks, Amy. There's really nothing noble about it, though. One of my
New Year's resolutions was to reduce drama in my life, and that
includes distancing myself from other people's drama. Including my
lover of almost nine years. I am worth more than letting myself get
pulled into other people's battles, especially when I think they're
carrying things too far. And if said people cannot respect my
boundaries, then they are not truly my friend.
Christine
Natasha Thompson
> each tidbit of fault. :)
>
> Natasha, when you make a statement like "having Diane stay with you if
> she was really in trouble", then in another following post turn around
> and call her an idiot, I must say that the honesty of your commitment
> is just a bit ludicrous.
I do not understand June why you didn't believe that I 'really would'
shelter Diane from a stalker out to kill her, even though I honestly
feel that here at least, Diane is bad news. I dislike her. I would
love to see someone wipe the arrogant sneer off her face, but I do NOT
hate her. I would do the same for Laura. I would not allow either of
them to be homeless either. The same goes for Jennifer Usher, Amy and
Julie. I may wish I could "repaint" Diane's Corvette sometimes, but
when push comes to shove, YES I would do what was necessary to save
her wicked butt, and gladly.
It amazes me that some people confuse dislike for hate, and would even
allow those whom they do like, to be homeless. I see this all too
often. Family and friends who have no room for their own, who are on
the streets because they don't want to be inconvenienced.
You would only help those you like personally? You could not put aside
your differences even to save a life?! I know you are not like that.
Well neither am I sis, honestly. I can and have June, many times when
the shelter was full taken in the homeless. Some were really smelly
people with really seriously bad personalities. I did not like them
personally one bit. I loved helping them though. Sometimes I have "a
to hell with everyone" attitude during my low points, but in general I
am open and loving most of the time.
I do not have an "enemies list" June. We disagree on many things and
you floor me sometimes, but I still love you ANYWAY. I have a couple
of friends whom I love dearly. I would give them a kidney if they
needed a transplant, SERIOUSLY, but we disagree on nearly everything
political. One of my most beloved friends is Intersexed and suspicious
of T's, but if she needs a kidney she knows where to go.
June I think you are at a stage of transition I was once at. I've been
there. I find because of that some of the silly stuff you say and your
attitude right now, is very understandable. You are not on an enemies
list ok? You really should know better dear. If you ask your heart if
I am telling you the truth, I am sure you will know that I am. I think
you know that if your life went to utter hell and you were broke and
soon to be homeless, and you had no where else to go or I was not
first choice, you could come here and be loved and accepted, fed and
sheltered, with infinite patience.
It was great talking to you on the phone today. I had to respond to
this in writing too since your post is here. We disagree on many
things, but we are sisters still. I am an independent and forthright
gal, with a "to hell with peer pressure" attitude, but I do listen to
and consider my friends feedback, and my friends appreciate this about
me. June I know you to be a sensitive, lovely, kind and decent woman,
with a sense of humor I really enjoy.
Now quit yer frettin would ya? =]
Many hugs
Natasha
Jennifer Usher
"Nicole Hamilton" <hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote in message
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> Don't be ridiculous. Diane is just like the rest of us who come and go
from
> time-to-time for reasons that are entirely personal. I can see you'd like
> to take credit for "driving her away" for a while but, since I do know
> something about Diane's private life, I can assure you, you had nothing to
> do with her absence.
>
> Nothing at all.
I certainly never thought she did.
--
Jennifer Usher
Amanda Angelika
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> "Natasha Thompson" <natasha...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > june_...@hotmail.com (June Hingle) wrote in message
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> >
> > > I read your message written to Amy and hopefully, to the others.
> >
> > Sorry June but Diane specifically said, .. "Amy you are the only new
> > person of any substance that I have seen here in the entire month
> > that I have returned and even some of the old regulars that I used to
> > know seem to be rotting in this environment."
> >
> > I think Diane's assessment is based on the fact that like she herself,
> > Amy hates me, and has unceasingly expressed it here openly. Diane
> > wants her as an ally.
>
is
> so black and white that you can't see anything between the extremes of
hate
> and love.
>
> I don't think Diane is here to make allies. Besides, the "in crowd" here
> tends to not like me very much, so I wouldn't be a very good ally.
Well I like you Amy ever since the day I got into a temper with Jennifer
Usher and you gave me an excellent assessment of her character which
couldn't have been more accurate.
Saying that I think you're wrong about Natasha I think she has a good heart.
Diane on the other hand is the to my mind the personification of Satan,
there is no comparison between Natasha and Diane. Natasha could be a Saint
by comparison.
> > She does it purposely June. Do you think that you are the first person
> > to reason with her? I tried to before also. Diane practices divide and
> > conquer as her prime tactic, *because she wants to conquer*. Can't you
> > see that yet? She wants to dominate and control. THAT is Diane.
> >
>
> As opposed to you telling your friends who they can and can't be friends
> with? Or how about when you tell all IS people what they're supposed to
> believe?
>
> How about when you talk about the "one true and good motivation for SRS"?
> Perhaps you hate Diane because you think she's manifesting a fault you
> refuse to acknowledge in yourself.
I must admit I don't find this about Natasha at all.
Diane on the other hand gives one the impression that she had SRS because
she thought it was a dick waving competition, which in my book is the wrong
reason to have SRS.
> >
> > It is the same OLD ploy Diane has been using for years June. Divide
> > and conquer, *provoke covertly* and defend against 'return fire'
> > openly, to gain support against the "apparent" aggressor.
> >
>
> I don't think most of us see Diane as an innocent victim, Natasha. I
don't
> think there are -any- innocent victims in this group. She and Laura fight
> with each other, and they BOTH own the fight. Most of us just stay out of
> it and let them fight.
It sometimes seems that people hide behind Diane's coat tails because they
dislike Laura Blake's stance on SRS. To me this comes over as cowardice,
some people seem to associate this with being a woman for some reason, as if
being a Woman were some kind of game they play out on Usenet.
This is most odd considering most of these people claim to have had SRS. But
then I suppose people are sold the idea that SRS can change one's gender, so
maybe it isn't surprising that someone like Diane who does everything in her
power to propagate this myth and use it as a tool to attempt to destroy
others who are in their own way just as real and genuine, is going to have
followers who tag on to this agenda because this is the weakness and
insecurity that resides in the heart of many TSs and why people come here to
seek support.
Diane uses these insecurities to power her evil. When it all turns to dust
she runs away. Here real victims are those who are taken in by her. I think
she is the personification of evil myself.
> > >
> > > You people talk about the issue of "depression". I have never met so
> > > many self-centered people until I came to USENET.
> >
> > Sorry I wrote a really good post from the heart about that subject
> > yesterday, which was well received and got me a little respect. That
> > must be very galling for Diane.
> >
>
> Why do you care so much about respect in a newsgroup? I'm sure Diane
> doesn't even care if you have any respect or not. In case you hadn't
> noticed, you've written about her a hundred times more than she's bothered
> to write about you. If anything, it looks like YOU are the agressor.
Well I look at it like this. If people were upset enough with my behaviour
here to put up a post like Laura did "Hey Lask... read and heed! I would
think that maybe I should take a good look at myself in the mirror and see
where I am going wrong and if I have hurt people. Diane on the other hand is
a psychopath and has no conception of what human feelings are about.
Personally I think she should be locked up and barred from Usenet
altogether.
I think Natasha knows evil when she sees it and knows that it must be
destroyed. it is a cancer.
> >
> > June one of Diane's other stock manipulations is to reject those whom
> > she wants, to have them eating out of her hand later. She wants you to
> > feel slighted, rejected, and then work to gain her acceptance. You
> > 'will' get feigned acceptance, but only on her terms, and at a great
> > cost to your integrity.
> >
> > I have watched this play out repetitiously, e.g., Elaine, Jennifer
> > Usher, Christine, and now you too? I sure hope not.
Yes I suppose we would all like to be as tough as a Psychopath.. I suppose
Hitler had a similar appeal
> I seriously disagree with you about Christine. I've never seen her "work
to
> gain" anyone's acceptance here. It's one of the things I like about her.
> Another thing I like about her is her ability to walk away from a
> friendship. That ability, to me, is indicative of self esteem and
maturity.
> Only the seriously insecure hang onto friendships that have become toxic,
> for fear of losing it.
I think it's a shame that people get taken in by Diane at all she's an evil
bastard in my opinion I don't think she has any human feelings whatsoever.
How can one love a psychopath?
It seems a shame to me that people like Christine, Nichole, Elaine, seem to
get drawn in. I think they are all genuine people with good hearts and it is
a shame to see them taken in by this monster. One can forgive those who have
a fascination with her evil. Because they are her real victims.
Let us hope that this black cloud of evil can be vanquished and the power of
light will win forth to destroy this shadow from our midst and a new epoch
of peace and understanding will be established.
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Amanda
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Christine Beatty
<manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It sometimes seems that people hide behind Diane's coat tails because they
>dislike Laura Blake's stance on SRS.
Even if I never heard of Diane, I would still dislike Laura's stance
on SRS, and if Laura kept coming in here and throwing her
non-supportive opinion of SRS in our collective face (the way you've
been doing recently) then I would stand up for us as a group.
>This is most odd considering most of these people claim to have had SRS. But
>then I suppose people are sold the idea that SRS can change one's gender,
<snip>
> this is the weakness and
>insecurity that resides in the heart of many TSs
Like I said, you're entitled to your opinion. But would you *please*
espouse it elsewhere? Would you like it if somebody came into your
crossdresser groups and said things like "crossdressers are a bunch of
perverts and sissies" or something equally rude? I do not appreciate
you espousing your negative opinions HERE.
>It seems a shame to me that people like Christine, Nichole, Elaine, seem to
>get drawn in. I think they are all genuine people with good hearts and it is
>a shame to see them taken in by this monster. One can forgive those who have
>a fascination with her evil. Because they are her real victims.
Nor do I appreciate your characterization of me or these other women
as some kind of weak-willed, gullibile children. I have been through
Hell and back, lived through shit that would make your skin crawl and
your scrotum shrivel up. So don't paint me as some helpless, innocent
little waif who can't think for herself.
>Let us hope that this black cloud of evil can be vanquished and the power of
>light will win forth to destroy this shadow from our midst and a new epoch
>of peace and understanding will be established.
Sounds like a speech from Star Wars or something! :-D
Now, let us hope that, *if* you decide to continue to post in this
group intended for transsexuals and those concerned with SRS, that you
will do so without slamming us AS A GROUP with statements like you
made above.
Thank you.
Christine
Angel
"Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<takes Amanda's arm> "Onward Christian Soldiers..."
Angel
Diane A.
<manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Let us hope that this black cloud of evil can be vanquished and the power
of
> >light will win forth to destroy this shadow from our midst and a new epoch
> >of peace and understanding will be established.
Oh my god! I'm melting! I'm meltinggggggg...........
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" Mom taught me to kook and sew"
Laura Blake 4/6/02
Amanda Angelika
"Elaine" <elai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:RViu8.7234$
> Would you please quit posting to ASSRS. You don't know what you're talking
> about and you have nothing to offer to those seeking SRS.
Can you support this statement? Seriously. I am seeking SRS what gives you
the impression I'm not and what gives you the right to decide I don't know
what I'm talking about. My post is also entirely relevent to the thread.
Amanda Angelika
>
> Angel
>
LOL
Not sure about that song though maybe Siegfrieds Funeral March from Wagner's
Goetterdamerung might be more appropriate LOL ;)
Diane A.
> Can you support this statement? Seriously. I am seeking SRS what gives you
> the impression I'm not and what gives you the right to decide I don't know
> what I'm talking about.
Well there's
1. Your serious lack of empathy with woman's issues
2. Your complete befuddlement about how and why actual post-ops here feel..
3. The fact that you call yourself "Nick" in one post and "Amanda in the next"
ie.
http://www.freewarehome.com/add_ons/guestbook.html
Certainly one of my favourite sites, so many useful,wierd and wonderful Free
Apps. Hours of fun...I probably need to get out more ;) Nick
Nick <manic...@hotmail.com>
Cardiff, Wales UK - Wednesday, June 20, 2001
4. The fact that you live in a fantasy about who you are:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:manic_mandy%40hotmail.com&start=100&h
l=en&scoring=d&selm=KUPX7.15138%24ll6.2079187%40news6-win.server.ntlworld.com&
rnum=191
"Mind Iv'e got tits and "child bearing" hips of my own and I've never taken a
hormone in my life, "
5. Because you crossdress for the "fun of it" as oppossed to the intense
desire and need to change one's sex.
http://www.artberry.net/amanda
". Sometimes I think the nicest thing to be would be just an ordinary girl.
But in many ways as a creative artist being extra-ordinary is a fact of life.
I am doomed never to be an ordinary person of either sex. But what the heck,
being any sort of girl is the greatest fun of all and is what makes my soul
sing."
6. Because, Nicholas Berry, you have never decided to actually transition.
7. Because you have lousy taste in wigs
http://www.users.dialstart.net/~artberry//amanda/images/P1090025a.jpg
What you are is just another "tom" pretending to be a "theoni"
Amanda Angelika
"Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:23:21 +0100, "Amanda Angelika"
> <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >It sometimes seems that people hide behind Diane's coat tails because
they
> >dislike Laura Blake's stance on SRS.
>
> Even if I never heard of Diane, I would still dislike Laura's stance
> on SRS, and if Laura kept coming in here and throwing her
> non-supportive opinion of SRS in our collective face (the way you've
> been doing recently) then I would stand up for us as a group.
Yes I daresay that's true and I can't say I agree with Laura entirely myself
> >This is most odd considering most of these people claim to have had SRS.
But
> >then I suppose people are sold the idea that SRS can change one's gender,
> <snip>
> > this is the weakness and
> >insecurity that resides in the heart of many TSs
>
> Like I said, you're entitled to your opinion. But would you *please*
> espouse it elsewhere? Would you like it if somebody came into your
> crossdresser groups and said things like "crossdressers are a bunch of
> perverts and sissies" or something equally rude? I do not appreciate
> you espousing your negative opinions HERE.
I don't identify as a Cross-dresser to be honest I live full-time and am
seeking to have SRS. If you look at my posting history you will see I'm in
no way against SRS
I don't think it is in anyway rude to examine Diane's motivations for
attempting to undermine other TS/TG people and how she is able to manipulate
people.
> >It seems a shame to me that people like Christine, Nichole, Elaine, seem
to
> >get drawn in. I think they are all genuine people with good hearts and it
is
> >a shame to see them taken in by this monster. One can forgive those who
have
> >a fascination with her evil. Because they are her real victims.
>
> Nor do I appreciate your characterization of me or these other women
> as some kind of weak-willed, gullibile children. I have been through
> Hell and back, lived through shit that would make your skin crawl and
> your scrotum shrivel up. So don't paint me as some helpless, innocent
> little waif who can't think for herself.
I'm glad to hear you can think for yourself Christine.
> >Let us hope that this black cloud of evil can be vanquished and the power
of
> >light will win forth to destroy this shadow from our midst and a new
epoch
> >of peace and understanding will be established.
>
> Sounds like a speech from Star Wars or something! :-D
>
>
> Now, let us hope that, *if* you decide to continue to post in this
> group intended for transsexuals and those concerned with SRS, that you
> will do so without slamming us AS A GROUP with statements like you
> made above.
>
Well I assume most people have SRS because they are women not to become
women. One has SRS to be female and to be more complete. This isn't to say
that some may have different motivations. I think if one believed that SRS
could make one a woman in itself that would be a dangerous belief to hold. I
wasn't slamming Transsexuals as a group. I assume most post-ops have
received excellent psychiatric care and questioned their own motivation
thoroughly. Since this now seems not to be the case then I would agree I'm
in the wrong place to find support in my own plans for SRS.
However Considering this idiot Diane turns the whole thing into a Dick
waving competition and is actively undermining other TS/TG women I think my
criticism and questioning of peoples motivations in supporting this foolish
maniac are entirely justified.
Amanda Angelika
"Diane A." <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Can you support this statement? Seriously. I am seeking SRS what gives
you
> > the impression I'm not and what gives you the right to decide I don't
know
> > what I'm talking about.
>
> Well there's
> 1. Your serious lack of empathy with woman's issues
So what you were born male and lived as a man once. Where is your empathy
about anyone's issues? One doesn't suddenly change sex over night. This is
why people transition. People tell me in real-life that I am a very
empathetic and sensitive person. From what you write one would wonder
whether you have any understanding of any issues. You certainly have no
understanding of my issues.
> 2. Your complete befuddlement about how and why actual post-ops here
feel..
Well I think I am beginning to come to this conclusion myself. This is a
place full of vulnerable people whom you take advantage of.
I don't know many Post-ops in 3d. Saying that I have been in a very close
friendship with a TS who is now about 5 years Post-op since 1995 I suppose
it could be said that although we have had a few disagreements about some
issues which we have worked out we have been extremely supportive of one
another. She has a degree in Psychology and is a fully qualified counsellor.
I'd show you the website I designed for her but why should I, there is
nothing to prove, and you would only abuse the privilege.
> 3. The fact that you call yourself "Nick" in one post and "Amanda in the
next"
> ie.
> http://www.freewarehome.com/add_ons/guestbook.html
>
> Certainly one of my favourite sites, so many useful,wierd and wonderful
Free
> Apps. Hours of fun...I probably need to get out more ;) Nick
> Nick <manic...@hotmail.com>
> Cardiff, Wales UK - Wednesday, June 20, 2001
This post is nearly a year old. I have only been transitioning since
Christmas with any real intention to have SRS
> 4. The fact that you live in a fantasy about who you are:
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:manic_mandy%40hotmail.com&start=100
&h
>
l=en&scoring=d&selm=KUPX7.15138%24ll6.2079187%40news6-win.server.ntlworld.co
m&
> rnum=191
>
> "Mind Iv'e got tits and "child bearing" hips of my own and I've never
taken a
> hormone in my life, "
Not a Fantasy I'm not entirely sure that I'm not IS. I have genuine and real
concerns about such issues. Are you jealous or something LOL
> 5. Because you crossdress for the "fun of it" as oppossed to the intense
> desire and need to change one's sex.
> http://www.artberry.net/amanda
>
> ". Sometimes I think the nicest thing to be would be just an ordinary
girl.
> But in many ways as a creative artist being extra-ordinary is a fact of
life.
> I am doomed never to be an ordinary person of either sex. But what the
heck,
> being any sort of girl is the greatest fun of all and is what makes my
soul
> sing."
Really? I suppose you know everything there is to know. Life is meant to be
enjoyed where ever it takes one
> 6. Because, Nicholas Berry, you have never decided to actually transition.
Well actually I decided to transition on Christmas day 2001. Although
actually I've been openly and obviously transgender since at least 1993. In
some ways I was never entirely accepted as a Man.
There is no pressure on me to have SRS Transitioning is a process of finding
out what is right for me and this doesn't make me any less of a human being.
This isn't a Dick waving competition.
> 7. Because you have lousy taste in wigs
>
> http://www.users.dialstart.net/~artberry//amanda/images/P1090025a.jpg
I have had problems with hair loss since I was 25. I get very depressed
about that there isn't much I can do about it now. HRT might help but I have
to accept that I will never have nice hair. I suppose there are worse things
in life than hair loss and if people can get about with no arms and legs
then why should I get upset about a bit of hair loss.
> What you are is just another "tom" pretending to be a "theoni"
Theoni is a good hearted person. You on the other hand are a malicious and
extremely cruel person, and I believe you have the potential to do a great
deal of harm to vulnerable people
Amanda Angelika
>
> I'm curious as to why someone with enough female hormones naturally to
have
> a female-shaped body needs a wig, electrolysis and looks like a male in
her
> picture. Further, I'm dubious as to the honesty of her breast size after
> hearing her claim to be a "36c" and then seeing her picture.
>
> Honey, it would take two size 36 bras to get around that body of yours.
If
> you wanna say you're a 42c, I might buy it. The only 36c bra that's gonna
> fit around that body is one made of elastic.
I don't know maybe you are being a bit misled by my picture. I'm 5'5" I
would admit to having a bit of weight on me. Her is a picture which perhaps
gives a better idea of what my figure looks like it was taken this Saturday
last at a party
http://www.users.dialstart.net/~artberry/Amanda_doorway%20(1).jpg
The bangles on my arm are standard women's slip on bangles this should give
you some idea of the proportions of my body :) I should perhaps say I
wearing 4" heels in this picture so I'm not really 5ft 9" LOL
Here is another
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nicholas.berry1/amanda/content/images/me.jpg
In neither of these picture am I wearing any form of padding and apart from
a touch of make-up and my hair isn't real what you see is what you get :)
I know what you mean about bra's I can't say I always wear the correct bra
size the one I'm wearing at the moment is 34 DD, but I wouldn't say my cup
size was that big yet :) Perhaps I do exaggerate a little sometimes ;)
Saying that though I have very little problem in presenting full-time as a
woman and given the natural size of my bust I don't need to wear padding, in
fact I don't like the idea of wearing padding at all I'm me and most of me
is very real.
I think the issue with my hair is genetic my mother has fairly fine hair and
my father was bald saying that I have a lot more hair than my brother but I
have obviously got some male hormones. They do say that baldness can
paradoxically be caused by estrogens something to do with some kind of
conversion process in the body. Can't say I fully understand it. I wouldn't
have mentioned it but Diane was cruel enough to post all this stuff about me
so I may just as well be honest. I'm exactly what I say I am and I have only
been transitioning properly since Christmas. I'm still waiting to be
referred to a psychiatrist. I expect to be referred to Charring Cross
hospital in London England. Given waiting lists here in the UK I may have to
wait 8 years before I can get SRS.
Saying that there is no reason for me to prove anything this isn't a
competition. I do suffer from gender disphoria there is a possibility I'm IS
or there are biological causes of some kind because I have always been far
more feminine than male and there are physical factors involved to but so
what I'm as much of an anomaly in my head as in my body LOL
te...@cox.net
> competition. I do suffer from gender disphoria there is a possibility I'm IS
> or there are biological causes of some kind because I have always been far
> more feminine than male and there are physical factors involved to but so
> what I'm as much of an anomaly in my head as in my body LOL
Oh, quit fishing for compliments, you're totally cute, and very
snuggleable. People who are down on ladies who have some meat on their
bones have never had to deal with cold winter nights in the proper way:).
You just keep on with your goal in mind, and don't let parasites
discourage you. Anybody says anything cruel to you is just trying to
share their own failure and hopelessness...their own.
Theoni
te...@cox.net
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Theoni Srith is one of the Hackers in E Minor from Oh, Yeah.
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Amanda Angelika
<te...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Pvou8.31534$GG1.2...@news2.east.cox.net...
> In the parking structure Amanda Angelika <manic...@hotmail.com>
whispered:
> > Saying that there is no reason for me to prove anything this isn't a
> > competition. I do suffer from gender disphoria there is a possibility
I'm IS
> > or there are biological causes of some kind because I have always been
far
> > more feminine than male and there are physical factors involved to but
so
> > what I'm as much of an anomaly in my head as in my body LOL
> > Amanda
>
> Oh, quit fishing for compliments, you're totally cute, and very
> snuggleable. People who are down on ladies who have some meat on their
> bones have never had to deal with cold winter nights in the proper way:).
Thanks Theoni :)
It does get a bit cold in the UK a girl needs a good subcutanious fat layer
when the wind blows up her skirt ;)
> You just keep on with your goal in mind, and don't let parasites
> discourage you. Anybody says anything cruel to you is just trying to
> share their own failure and hopelessness...their own.
>
Yes I shall bear this in mind :)
Diane A.
"Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eKlu8.24586$C21.5285142@news6-
> I don't identify as a Cross-dresser to be honest I live full-time and am
> seeking to have SRS. If you look at my posting history you will see I'm in
> no way against SRS
So nice of you to be "honest" "Amanda".
While you're being "honest" about living full time, perhaps you could explain
this
http://www.users.dialstart.net/~artberry//amanda/index2.htm
". In the meantime my other Website where I use my male artistic name is at
www.artberry.net"
or this....
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=artberry.net&SearchType=do&ST
RING2.x=23&STRING2.y=6
Helen Smith
Amanda Angelika <manic...@hotmail.com> writes
>I'm still waiting to be
>referred to a psychiatrist. I expect to be referred to Charring Cross
>hospital in London England. Given waiting lists here in the UK I may have to
>wait 8 years before I can get SRS.
8 years!?
Gosh!, didn't know it took that long.
I have a feeling that, it may take 'up to' 8 years in certain cases for
reasons of individual circumstances. (Usually other medical conditions).
I was hoping the NHS had stepped into the 21st Century and started
taking transsexuals seriously.
>Saying that there is no reason for me to prove anything this isn't a
>competition.
That maybe so, but you do need to find where you are with your identity
to find contentment.
>I do suffer from gender disphoria there is a possibility I'm IS
>or there are biological causes of some kind because I have always been far
>more feminine than male and there are physical factors involved to but so
>what I'm as much of an anomaly in my head as in my body LOL
>
>--
>Amanda
It's really quite normal in this newsgroup to have an 'anomaly' in your
head, so you'll fit in just fine :)
But the thing is, the usual reasons for going to Charring Cross is to
get authorisation for a repeat-prescription of hormones (via your local
health centre) and also to eventually gain a referral to a surgeon who
can carry out GRS.
If you're not sure if you want or need the op. then it's okay to stay
open-minded and wait for things to work themselves out, only _you_ will
ever be able to make _that_ decision.
I would suggest you locate a good TS councillor. If you know any post-op
TS's, <saner the better:> who can point you to a _good_ one, it would
produce counselling records that would be a good reference point that
may come in handy for when you get to Charring Cross.
I know they _used_ to employ lots of bone-headed shrinks who marvelled
in giving us a really hard time of it.
I do hope it's different there now :>
BTW I've lurked about - and enjoyed reading your viewpoint on things.
Love your sense of humour ;>
--
Helen Smith
Christine Beatty
<manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I don't identify as a Cross-dresser to be honest I live full-time and am
>seeking to have SRS. If you look at my posting history you will see I'm in
>no way against SRS
Amanda, I apologize for confusing you with some of the crossdressers
we've had posting here in alt.support.srs for awhile. It's just that
your comments regarding "sugically altered crossdressers" and
"gentlemen's club" read like something only a non-op or a CD might say
in derision to us as a group. Reading you again more carefully, I see
that those comments were more aimed at an individual than us as a
group. I misunderstood you.
>Well I assume most people have SRS because they are women not to become
>women. One has SRS to be female and to be more complete.
You have agreement with me on this one. I would say that I'm already
female between my ears, I just need surgery to become female between
my legs.
> This isn't to say
>that some may have different motivations. I think if one believed that SRS
>could make one a woman in itself that would be a dangerous belief to hold.
I agree in principle, but I think its presumptuous for any of us to
psych out the motives of another person, even if we think we know what
they may be saying here. After all, look at the communication problem
I just had with you.
>I wasn't slamming Transsexuals as a group.
I know that now. :-)
> I assume most post-ops have
>received excellent psychiatric care and questioned their own motivation
>thoroughly. Since this now seems not to be the case then I would agree I'm
>in the wrong place to find support in my own plans for SRS.
This is as good a place as any. There are a bunch of good people here
and oodles of transition/surgery experience. If I am judicious about
how I read this NG I can mine gold.
Peace.
Christine
Amanda Angelika
>
>
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eKlu8.24586$C21.5285142@news6-
> > I don't identify as a Cross-dresser to be honest I live full-time and am
> > seeking to have SRS. If you look at my posting history you will see I'm
in
> > no way against SRS
>
> So nice of you to be "honest" "Amanda".
> While you're being "honest" about living full time, perhaps you could
explain
> this
>
> http://www.users.dialstart.net/~artberry//amanda/index2.htm
> ". In the meantime my other Website where I use my male artistic name is
at
> www.artberry.net"
There is nothing to explain The information is out-of-date. I designed a
quick make-shift site because I subscribed to uk.people.crossdressing and
wanted to introduce myself. The information was relevant at the time.
If you go here you will see a newer version
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nicholas.berry1/amanda/
I'm not stealth. Why should I be I'm the type of Woman I am. Under my male
name I am a listed Fine Artist I have works in Public and Private
collections In the UK and in other parts of the world. My male name is to
some extent Public Property it can't be erased from history because I am
already immortalised. So what do I abandon my career to be a Post-Op TS
Woman and pretend my past never existed or do I come to terms with all these
issues and be the Woman I am? Well there are plenty of TSs who were and are
far more in the public eye than I am and they managed to come to terms with
these issues so can I.
If you go to www.artberry.net you will find a notice saying the site is
under reconstruction. However since it is nearly ready to be relaunched and
I have completely removed all reference to my former name pending a Legal
Name change if you go her you can see the completely redesigned site where I
am trading as Amanda Angelika Design and attribute all my work to the name I
now use
www.artberry.net/site/
A shockwave Flash 5 plugin is required. However I dare say your 386 mightn't
be up to that and probably explains why you couldn't find the new site LOL
> or this....
>
>
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=artberry.net&SearchType=do&
ST
> RING2.x=23&STRING2.y=6
How childish can you get. I wondered when you were going to get round to
that. The information is in the public domain so what? I was considering
posting it here in any case but I know how much you like doing this sort of
thing I daresay you have to have some entertainment in your miserable life.
I haven't legally changed my name yet and the domain registration is for 2
years in any case so what? Get a life!
None of this proves anything except your a sad bastard dear and apart from
being a raving TS/CD/TV/TG My Psychotherapist doesn't recognise your
qualifications in any case so no one who matters gives a shit about what you
think. One thing I'm sure it will show though is that I am also quite a
talented Web Designer and Artist LOL
Thanks for Spaming alt.support.srs on my behalf
If anyone would like to buy any of my oil paintings or engage my services as
a Web Designer it seems I can now open a mail order service but payments can
also be sent via PayPal LOL ;)
Natasha Thompson
> "Diane A." <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ubjngvr...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:YBku8.24416$C21.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > Can you support this statement? Seriously. I am seeking SRS what gives
> you
> > > the impression I'm not and what gives you the right to decide I don't
> know
> > > what I'm talking about.
Amanda trying to reason with any members of that clique is a waste of
time. Many have tried dear. There is no logic, rhyme or reason for
their hatefulness. Defending yourself is useless. They care nothing
for the facts of your case. They just hate you, because they hate you.
I suggest that you give up on them. We know you are a full time TS,
and a very nice woman with allot of insight. It may be that you make
some people think, who do not wish to.
Natasha
Diane A.
<blah blah blah>
Seems like you have an excuse for everything but when push comes to shove
it's still evident that :
1. You haven't transitioned
2. You don't understand why transsexuals feel the urge to transition
3. You still live part of the time as a male...and intend to do so
You say it best yourself when you state:
>So what do I abandon my career to be a Post-Op TS
> Woman and pretend my past never existed or do I come to terms with all these
> issues and be the Woman I am?
Heaven forbid that a man should have to abandon his carreer to be of al things
a woman....unthinkable isn't it?
And you're right. A man shouldn't do that.
You're not even close to fooling anyone that counts Amanda.....just another
"tom" pretending that he's a "theoni".
You know it.
I know it.
Most everyone else here knows it.
Joke's on you sir.
Natasha Thompson
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eKlu8.24586$C21.5285142@news6-
> > I don't identify as a Cross-dresser to be honest I live full-time and am
> > seeking to have SRS. If you look at my posting history you will see I'm in
> > no way against SRS
>
> this
>
>
LOL = D
Diane is going to twist her moustache right off.
Nice stovepipe hat and cape though.
Can I get a, nya ha HA!
Natasha
Natasha Thompson
>
>
> BTW I've lurked about - and enjoyed reading your viewpoint on things.
> Love your sense of humour ;>
I agree with Helen. I really enjoy you too Amanda.
You have as much a right as anyone to be here.
Hugs
Natasha
Diane A.
"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message news:michelle-
> > Heaven forbid that a man should have to abandon his carreer to be of al
things
> > a woman....unthinkable isn't it?
> > And you're right. A man shouldn't do that.
>
>
Actually that is **exactly** what came to my mind as well and I almost
included that in my post....but there was no need as his argument is so
obviously flimsy anyway.
Amanda Angelika
Diane
It sounds like you spent far too long being a Man. One could be forgiven for
thinking that only a man could come up with such a load of Male chauvinistic
bollocks as this. LOL
The fact of the matter at the end of the day I'm Me and people have never
accepted me fully as a man or a woman LOL So what's new? Art is universal
(Ask Lenny Riefenstahl LOL) and transcends gender. I'm crazy enough to think
I'm a real Goddess LOL. Well why not? Delusion gives one an infinite right
to be anything one wants to be and the worst that can happen is they put
one in a rubber room. whoopy!!!
Of course it could be said that If you are not being YOURSELF then it's you
who is living a fantasy Mein Fuehrer LOL
Vee half vays and means of making you into za real Wuman and zen you can
take your place in za Reich unt werk hart foor da Fart-er Lant! ein Riech,
ein Mann, eine Frau ! Gott Mit Uns!
If this is really how you think well I'm afraid it sounds like the real joke
is in your knickers dear :(
June Hingle
It sounds like you spent far too long being a Man. <<<<
*****************
Dear Amanda,
Please don't let Diane run you down. I received the same treatment
from her when I entered usenet. I was post-op. I have always
maintained a clean life. there is nothing at all obscure about me and
my lifestyle other than perhaps a speeding ticket I once got. She
gives legit people little choice but to leave, cower or to retaliate.
How we retaliate kind of puts a tag on us. She and her ragtag cronies
will use that tag to make you look bad and they will always bring it
up and find posts to use against you. Ignore it and grow from it.
The people who will respond negatively to me writing this either are
very ignorant of what is going on or they are no better than she.
There is an epidemic growing and it is structured similar a simple
game that used to be played when we were children. "King of the
Hill". They are trying to moderate these usegroups, especially ASSRS
for whatever reason. I believe that those people have many unanswered
questions about who they are and they find it convenient to use other
people's lives for their own stepping stones.
I wish you well Amanda. We all have our own circuitous journey to
follow. If you are true to yourself and try to treat other people
with respect then you have little to ever be ashamed of.
June
Amanda Angelika
> Amanda Angelika <manic...@hotmail.com> writes
>
> >I'm still waiting to be
> >referred to a psychiatrist. I expect to be referred to Charring Cross
> >hospital in London England. Given waiting lists here in the UK I may have
to
> >wait 8 years before I can get SRS.
>
> 8 years!?
>
> Gosh!, didn't know it took that long.
>
> I have a feeling that, it may take 'up to' 8 years in certain cases for
> reasons of individual circumstances. (Usually other medical conditions).
> I was hoping the NHS had stepped into the 21st Century and started
> taking transsexuals seriously.
Yes I think maybe 8 years is an exageration I hope. If I am absolutely
honest i'm not entirely sure about SRS yet. But I just think this is because
I'm not ready for it now at this minute. Once I start treatment I should get
a better idea. But there is no turning back. My main concern is to be
sucessful and happy as the woman I am that is all that matters really.
>
> >Saying that there is no reason for me to prove anything this isn't a
> >competition.
>
> That maybe so, but you do need to find where you are with your identity
> to find contentment.
Yes this is very true. I didn't realise how f***ed up I was and how much I
was in denial until just before Chrismas. I suppose I was partially living
as a woman since 1993 if the truth be know, I seemed to think I could
re-define gender itself but it doesn't work.
> >I do suffer from gender disphoria there is a possibility I'm IS
> >or there are biological causes of some kind because I have always been
far
> >more feminine than male and there are physical factors involved to but so
> >what I'm as much of an anomaly in my head as in my body LOL
> >
> >--
> >Amanda
>
> It's really quite normal in this newsgroup to have an 'anomaly' in your
> head, so you'll fit in just fine :)
>
> But the thing is, the usual reasons for going to Charring Cross is to
> get authorisation for a repeat-prescription of hormones (via your local
> health centre) and also to eventually gain a referral to a surgeon who
> can carry out GRS.
>
> If you're not sure if you want or need the op. then it's okay to stay
> open-minded and wait for things to work themselves out, only _you_ will
> ever be able to make _that_ decision.
Yes very true
> I would suggest you locate a good TS councillor. If you know any post-op
> TS's, <saner the better:> who can point you to a _good_ one, it would
> produce counselling records that would be a good reference point that
> may come in handy for when you get to Charring Cross.
Interestingly enough I have a friend who is a qualified Counsellor and
post-op TS, saying this I think with my friend her own view are very
intertwined with her identity. In many ways we have helped each other. The
thing is she is a different sort of woman than I. So in many ways even
though she has pointed out in the past that I may be in denial. In many ways
the fact that she was never a cross-dresser (though admits to being a bankok
ladyboy whilst seving in the Parachure regiment) For years I just accepted
that maybe I'm not TS.
The trouble is though I met another TS a few years ago whom my friend used
to run down something rotten like "she's not a TS she's just a tranny" "Ive
seen her dick and she's hung like a donkey" LOL "They won't give her
surgery" "It's trannies like her wasting the time of the NHS" "you are far
more TS than she is"
So I suppose I took a lot of this on board, thinking well I suppose my
friend must be right about this person, and since in some ways I could
identify myself as being a bit more like this other TS, (I'm not hung like a
donkey mind) I sort of thought oh well they would probably never give me
surgery either and I would be wasting my time, I'm not entitled to treament.
I suppose I placed a lot of faith in my friends views. It was comfortable to
just pretend that everything was just fine and ordered in the world.
The trouble is this other TS did get surgery in spite of my friends views
about her. I suppose at that point the eddifice of Lies I had set up
shattered to the ground and suddenly I was totally at sea. Of course I had a
big arguement with my friend and stuff for filling my mind with such
nonsense (simular nonesense as Diane uses really). But of course at the end
of the day I realise I have been the one in denial so it's my fault. So we
are the best of friends again now :)
Her redeeming feature being that she always said she does'nt like trannies.
or other TSs for that matter. I think she has found me to be a bit of an
enigma LOL but I suppose we have been such best friends for years now
becuase with close friends in 3d I am never anything other than myself and I
suppose since she is a Stealth Post-op TS and ex-member of Her Magesties
Armed services she finds me one of the few people in her world that accepts
her as herself as the woman she really is without judgement, and this does
work both ways and I guess that sort of friendship is the best support there
is really :)
> I know they _used_ to employ lots of bone-headed shrinks who marvelled
> in giving us a really hard time of it.
This is a worry.
> I do hope it's different there now :>
>
> BTW I've lurked about - and enjoyed reading your viewpoint on things.
> Love your sense of humour ;>
Thanks Helen I needed a hug after being savaged by Diane :)
Amanda Angelika
"June Hingle" <june_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e1ac3e7.02041...@posting.google.com...
Very True June. Thanks :)
It is encouraging to realise that there is no specific agenda in Diane's
persecution so I shouldn't take it too personally
I think with Diane it's very easy to get into a rant and draw a lot of
others into an argument and lots of things get misunderstood and civilian
casualties everywhere, and the Mistress of Chaos gets to cause even more
chaos. LOL
I shall bear these things in mind :)
Christine Beatty
<manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Helen Smith" <endo...@nospamlandco.uk> wrote in message
>news:5pCXeDAs...@demon.co.uk...
>> In article <s_nu8.25309$C21.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
>> I have a feeling that, it may take 'up to' 8 years in certain cases for
>> reasons of individual circumstances. (Usually other medical conditions).
In my case it took until an effective treatment for HIV became
available before reputable surgeons became willing to do SRS. And it
*sucks* to have waited 14 years (since starting transition this time)
until my scheduled surgery date in October.
>But there is no turning back. My main concern is to be
>sucessful and happy as the woman I am that is all that matters really.
Amen. And while I have managed to be successful and happy enough
without SRS (or, at least, not hating or killing myself) over all this
time since I was first turned down by Biber (1991), I will be much
happier to be complete.
>Yes this is very true. I didn't realise how f***ed up I was and how much I
>was in denial until just before Chrismas. I suppose I was partially living
>as a woman since 1993 if the truth be know, I seemed to think I could
>re-define gender itself but it doesn't work.
From 1991 until last year, when I assumed I'd have to live without SRS
for the rest of my life, I tried to redefine gender and it just did
not feel right. Alcohol helped dull the pain of this in-between
existence, but my liver forced me to stop that in March of '97. Now,
my patience is finally being rewarded.
The bottom line is that every girl needs to do what is right for
herself and to hell with peer pressure. Because *you* have to live
with the final results.
Christine
Amanda Angelika
"Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
news:bihkbugmeb34lsso6...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:40:35 +0100, "Amanda Angelika"
> <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I don't identify as a Cross-dresser to be honest I live full-time and am
> >seeking to have SRS. If you look at my posting history you will see I'm
in
> >no way against SRS
>
> Amanda, I apologize for confusing you with some of the crossdressers
> we've had posting here in alt.support.srs for awhile. It's just that
> your comments regarding "sugically altered crossdressers" and
> "gentlemen's club" read like something only a non-op or a CD might say
> in derision to us as a group. Reading you again more carefully, I see
> that those comments were more aimed at an individual than us as a
> group. I misunderstood you.
Yes I think in saying things in criticism of Diane it is easy to make
statements that will sound offensive and cause civilian casualties.
I apologise though for including your name in that list of followers of
Diane. I should leave other people out of it really because although Diane
does seem to have followers we are all individuals and free to make our own
minds. Diane is in my bad books at the moment but I can't say I dislike any
one else really, if anything I am a bit like my Mother who tries to get the
most unlikely bed fellows to make peace and get on with one another.
> >Well I assume most people have SRS because they are women not to become
> >women. One has SRS to be female and to be more complete.
>
> You have agreement with me on this one. I would say that I'm already
> female between my ears, I just need surgery to become female between
> my legs.
Yes my views on SRS are pretty much a long the lines of they are only
genitals, but SRS does enable one to be more complete as a woman. The
reasons for having SRS are a personal thing.
I disagree with Laura's views because she is an idealist and idealism never
works. One can't change the world to suit oneself, that would be unfair on
others and in the extreme could even be considered a kind of fascism. Saying
that though I feel Laura is a good hearted person and I don't think she's
quite as extreme as some may think. I think she may have issues of her own
that are unresolved.
> > This isn't to say
> >that some may have different motivations. I think if one believed that
SRS
> >could make one a woman in itself that would be a dangerous belief to
hold.
>
> I agree in principle, but I think its presumptuous for any of us to
> psych out the motives of another person, even if we think we know what
> they may be saying here. After all, look at the communication problem
> I just had with you.
Very true I think in trying to sus out Diane's motivations for being such a
~?@"**% whatever, TAXI! can draw one to come to some odd conclusions, and of
course this can cause a lot of misunderstanding with others as well.
> >I wasn't slamming Transsexuals as a group.
>
> I know that now. :-)
I know too many different types of TS :)
> > I assume most post-ops have
> >received excellent psychiatric care and questioned their own motivation
> >thoroughly. Since this now seems not to be the case then I would agree
I'm
> >in the wrong place to find support in my own plans for SRS.
>
> This is as good a place as any. There are a bunch of good people here
> and oodles of transition/surgery experience. If I am judicious about
> how I read this NG I can mine gold.
Very True.
This flamewar I have been having Diane all started because I didn't like the
way Diane was attacking Theoni and Angel in s.s.t Both of whom have their
own unique perspectives on life and I felt that Diane's attacks were
counterproductive and wrong. The trouble is these flamewars can get out of
hand and if I have offended any one on the periphery I apologise.
Natasha Thompson
> >>>>From: "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com>
>
> It sounds like you spent far too long being a Man. <<<<
>
> *****************
> Dear Amanda,
>
> Please don't let Diane run you down. I received the same treatment
> from her when I entered usenet. I was post-op. I have always
> maintained a clean life. there is nothing at all obscure about me and
> my lifestyle other than perhaps a speeding ticket I once got. She
> gives legit people little choice but to leave, cower or to retaliate.
> How we retaliate kind of puts a tag on us. She and her ragtag cronies
> will use that tag to make you look bad and they will always bring it
> up and find posts to use against you. Ignore it and grow from it.
> follow. If you are true to yourself and try to treat other people
> with respect then you have little to ever be ashamed of.
>
> June
Well said June. Diane was awful to you right off. You were done
obviously, and did not need a clique mother. Instead of as a potential
convert, you presented in Diane's mind as competition.
What I notice is that those who do not appear to be needy, but have
strong identities already, Diane counts as enemies. She knows they are
not going to "look up to her" and kowtow. She wants followers and lap
dogs, as do all clique "leaders".
I believe that Diane and Michele, and their other friends who are
helping them push their moderated groups and mailing lists, disrupt
this place to gain new subscribers. Naturally they must do whatever
they can think of to destroy the credibility of those, who do not need
their "guidance" and expose them. Hey business is business. <g>
Those who are considering joining their mailing lists, would be wise
to consider their tactics here, and be very careful about sharing
personal information with them.
Stay strong, and stay above them June. =]
hugs
Natasha
Natasha Thompson
Whew! Yaaaaaaay! So the Christine I knew is still live and breathing.
I feel a little better now.
Thank the spirits!
Natasha
Natasha Thompson
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9Pru8.18507$tZ1.5650609@news2-
> <blah blah blah>
>
> Seems like you have an excuse for everything but when push comes to shove
> it's still evident that :
> 1. You haven't transitioned
> 2. You don't understand why transsexuals feel the urge to transition
> 3. You still live part of the time as a male...and intend to do so
>
> You say it best yourself when you state:
>
> >So what do I abandon my career to be a Post-Op TS
> > Woman and pretend my past never existed or do I come to terms with all these
> > issues and be the Woman I am?
>
> Heaven forbid that a man should have to abandon his carreer to be of al things
> a woman....unthinkable isn't it?
Diane has a black belt in misrepresentation. Champion word twister for sure.
Natasha
Amanda Angelika
Like the New smiley face emoticon e.g. =]
It had me baffled for a while, I can see it now though.
To think I'm supposed to be visually literate. I wouldn't worry though I
tend to see pictures in a very anatomical way and often see the abstract
marks and symbols a long time before I can work out what the picture is :)
--
Amanda
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Amanda Angelika Berry
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"Natasha Thompson" <natasha...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Nice site Amanda! I love your oil paintings. You are so talented!
>
> You handle attacks very maturely by the way. Obviously you have a
> strong identity and are very comfortable with yourself. Good for you
> dear. =]
>
> Natasha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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te...@cox.net
> In article <42547273.02041...@posting.google.com>,
> natasha...@earthlink.net (Natasha Thompson) wrote:
>> I believe that Diane and Michele, and their other friends who are
>> helping them push their moderated groups and mailing lists, disrupt
>> this place to gain new subscribers.
> Get real, Natasha.
We should all be so real. But in this case, she used a 10G instead of
an M1. It happens. I don't believe you're like Lask, but I've had
time to get to know you. Give everybody equal time, you'll be up to
your butt in friends.
>> Those who are considering joining their mailing lists, would be wise
>> to consider their tactics here, and be very careful about sharing
>> personal information with them.
> Our mailing lists? There aren't any such things.
> I'm sorry that I couldn't be your sock puppet, Natasha, but your
> attitude of "If you're not totally for me, you must be against me" is
> indicative of severe mental problems.
Untrue. Emblematic of heavy warfare with an insane, implacable, no-class,
no-soul, no-quarter, no-guts foe in which she has to witness the wanton
destruction of anything decent and valuable out of pure envy.
> Please get help for them.
She has help. Me.
I misspoke, this is less a war than a public health emergency, since
some things seem contagious. In the Med Ship stories, Murray Leinster
opined that some plagues necessitated burning down whole towns in the
Wild West days, whereas in the days of Landing Grids, open fire hadn't
been seen for centuries on some planets. Which led to the solution
of the plague he was treating on the planet currently being visited.
Systemic breakdowns and psycological interruptions due to years never
having inhaled combustion products.
Theoni
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Amanda Angelika
> In article <ubkutgp...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Diane A." <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Heaven forbid that a man should have to abandon his carreer to be
> > > > of al things a woman....unthinkable isn't it? And you're right.
> > > > A man shouldn't do that.
> > >
> > > When I read that paragraph of hers, I was reminded of Wendy Carlos.
> > >
> >
> > Actually that is **exactly** what came to my mind as well and I
> > almost included that in my post....but there was no need as his
> > argument is so obviously flimsy anyway.
>
> that their situations are similar, and what worked for Wendy might work
> for Amanda as well.
>
> Are you trying to say that you think she just copied it in an attempt to
> justify where she is, and and otherwise, it's bunk?
>
> --Michelle
>
> --
> We're not human beings having a spiritual experience.
> We're spiritual beings having a human experience.
No I couldn't have copied it... um slight problem there...
Who is Wendy Carlos?
Karen
> No I couldn't have copied it... um slight problem there...
> Who is Wendy Carlos?
Ever hear of "Switched On Bach" and Juan Carlos?
- Karen
Karen
- karen
Amanda Angelika
> In article <6IJu8.24435$tZ1.6...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No I couldn't have copied it... um slight problem there...
> > Who is Wendy Carlos?
>
> have since reissued as CDs) such as _Switched on Bach_; she's a maestro
> with the Moog synthesizer. She also did the score and soundracks for _A
> Clockwork Orange_ and _Tron_.
>
> --Michelle
>
Thanks Michelle
I've got the picture now. I take it she is Post-op? She seems interesting
character anyway and very talented. I shall have to check out some of her
music. Bought myself a Yamaha Keyboard a bit back so have been doing a bit
of composing myself have it all wired up to a midi sequencer on the PC. I
still think I'm better at painting though LOL ;)
te...@cox.net
> wrote:
>> >> I believe that Diane and Michele, and their other friends who are
>> >> helping them push their moderated groups and mailing lists,
>> >> disrupt this place to gain new subscribers.
>>
>> > Get real, Natasha.
>>
>> We should all be so real. But in this case, she used a 10G instead
>> of an M1. It happens. I don't believe you're like Lask, but I've
>> had time to get to know you. Give everybody equal time, you'll be up
>> to your butt in friends.
> Natasha and I have known each other for at least three years. I've
> known her girlfriend for at least five years.
>> > I'm sorry that I couldn't be your sock puppet, Natasha, but your
>> > attitude of "If you're not totally for me, you must be against me"
>> > is indicative of severe mental problems.
>>
>> Untrue. Emblematic of heavy warfare with an insane, implacable,
>> no-class, no-soul, no-quarter, no-guts foe in which she has to
>> witness the wanton destruction of anything decent and valuable out of
>> pure envy.
> Regardless of her or your opinion of Diane, her characterization of me
> and any association I may have with Diane is completely delusional.
> Like Amy, she fabricates on the fly, and treats her fabrications as
> gospel.
> --
> We're not human beings having a spiritual experience.
> We're spiritual beings having a human experience.
Funny Amy would be the example who first sprang to mind about believing
ones own bullshit:). I'm not only looking for my _wig_, which could
be useful come Fall, I guess, but I'm done out of a VERY servicible
_basement_, and a LOT of latex costumes which, frankly, I'd love to have.
Humph.
Theoni (Oh the feelings of deprivation....)
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Christine Beatty
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>Wendy Carlos is more than years postop. The only public statement
>she ever made about her being TS, other than the little that is on her
>web site, was an interview with _Playboy_ in May 1979. She has refused
>to discuss it ever since.
I guess she wasn't in the Moog to talk about it, huh?
;-)
Christine
Diane A.
"Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
> I guess she wasn't in the Moog to talk about it, huh?
I hate it when people go to such great lengths to synthesize a joke.
Amanda Angelika
>
> "Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
>
> > I guess she wasn't in the Moog to talk about it, huh?
>
> I hate it when people go to such great lengths to synthesize a joke.
Yes, but they say Its the KEY to break the BOARDom.
Diane A.
>
> "Diane A." <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ubnm2ol...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
> >
> > > I guess she wasn't in the Moog to talk about it, huh?
> >
> > I hate it when people go to such great lengths to synthesize a joke.
>
> Yes, but they say Its the KEY to break the BOARDom.
You're just knocking those puns out like clockwork aren't 'cha ?
Christine Beatty
wrote:
That's a *horrible* pun! ;-)
Take it Bach!
Amanda Angelika
> In article <UtLu8.25300$tZ1.6...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've got the picture now. I take it she is Post-op?
>
> she ever made about her being TS, other than the little that is on her
> web site, was an interview with _Playboy_ in May 1979. She has refused
> to discuss it ever since.
>
>
> --
> We're not human beings having a spiritual experience.
> We're spiritual beings having a human experience.
Yes I guess that's the best way to deal with it.
Art is always an expression from one's true self and changing sex doesn't
change that. One is fundamentally a woman or feminine person.
I think there is a danger in getting seen as a *transsexual artist* because
then one is being seen as a curiosity, or not *normal* (this tends to be the
public reaction)
My problem is I am very much aware that presenting as a Transgender artist
is presenting as a "man" in a frock. But in a sense if one has srs and one
is open about that status it is tantamount to the same thing in the eyes of
the public perhaps even more so since with surgery one may be seen as even
more freaky or mad.
I think what this seems to highlight for me is there is no Transsexual or
Transgender person on the planet who can be entirely honest and true about
what and who they really are, unless one wants to be seen as heaven forbid a
*man* or worse a *madman*
I therefore believe being a woman is fundamental to what one is as a human
being what one thinks one is. THIS is the ONLY TRUTH that there can be.
Everything else, which can alter ones physical appearance or presentation to
the world such as clothes, hormones, surgery, changing one's name/birth
certificate, etc, etc are trimmings. (BTW That isn't to say the achievement
of these trimmings is not valid and one should greatly respect all such
women in their struggle. )
However this means Shock Horror, Diane Arons Lask is just as likely to be
living a fantasy about who she really is as anyone else. (Yes Richard I mean
you. LOL ;)
This is because every Transgender and Transsexual Woman is a work of Art and
essentially Metaphysical in nature.
She is her own creation.
Of Science and the word
http://www.execpc.com/~suden/venus_jeans.html
She's Venus in blue jeans
Mona Lisa with a ponytail
She's walkin' talkin' work of art
She's the girl who stole my heart
ROTFL
Of course the conclusion to all this is Only a Real artist can be a Real
Woman and the artist is always the woman she thinks she is. This is the
Ultimate truth of human existence. Criticising my artistic presentation is
therefore is just that. Criticism is a mere opinion and in this case it is
the opinion of another metaphysical entity who is not beyond criticism on
the same grounds. The Truth resides in the soul, everything else is ART.
LONG LIVE ART
God bless the child who's got her own
> We're not human beings having a spiritual experience.
> We're spiritual beings having a human experience.
Exactly ;)
--
Amanda
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Amanda Angelika Berry BA (hons) Fine Art
ARS GRATIA ARTIS.
Christine Beatty
<manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>However this means Shock Horror, Diane Arons Lask is just as likely to be
>living a fantasy about who she really is as anyone else. (Yes Richard I mean
>you. LOL ;)
Jeez! Give it a rest, puh-leazzze! The flames are starting to die down
here. Please, no fresh acetone on the embers. 'kay?
Christine
Amanda Angelika
Sorry I couldn't resist it ;)
--
Amanda
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Amanda Angelika Berry
Christine Beatty
wrote:
>Are we having a family fugue again?
Just another classical ASSRS yuk-fest!
Diane A.
OK....pdq.
>
Diane A.
Windy...Ick...our loss.
Amanda Angelika
As long as we don't have to: Get BACH to where we once belonged ;)
Thank you Lennon and Mc Cartney No wonder society doesn't understand us LOL
Pauline Brent
>
> "Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
>
> > I guess she wasn't in the Moog to talk about it, huh?
>
> I hate it when people go to such great lengths to synthesize a joke.
Diane,
repercussions of this will reverberate here for months.
Pauline Brent
Liberace must be decomposing in his grave over this.
--
enjoy
When its TIME its TIME.
The first step of any journey is the hardest, the last the most fullfiling.
TSTGSociety.org its for you, add to it. use it.
>
Christine Beatty
wrote:
>going for baroque on that one....
AARRGH! That was the best one so far, very clavier.
Christine
Christine Beatty
wrote:
Yeah, it really struck a bad chord. So take note all you punsters,
sharp up or you'll get thrown over a clef.
Christine
Pauline Brent
This all needs to be toned down, it is way to high. I is a thread with no
base, Just people fiddiling around.
--
Thank You
Pauline Brent
>
Diane A.
"Pauline Brent" <PMB...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:OmZu8.5837$c6.5...@typhoon.mn.ipsvc.net...
> Diane,
> repercussions of this will reverberate here for months.
Well... some here would have you believe that's music to my ears.
Diane A.
I fold ...you win :)
Christine Beatty
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <m3pobu4gu99ave9ib...@4ax.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> "Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> > I guess she wasn't in the Moog to talk about it, huh?
>> >>
>> >> I hate it when people go to such great lengths to synthesize a joke.
>> >
>> >Diane,
>> >repercussions of this will reverberate here for months.
>>
>> Yeah, it really struck a bad chord. So take note all you punsters,
>> sharp up or you'll get thrown over a clef.
>
>That's a bass lie; keep that up and you'll get into deep treble.
Give it a rest and refrain from notes like this in the future.
Christine
Helen Smith
Beatty <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> writes
reassignment of organs.
--
Helen Smith
Diane A.
"Helen Smith" <endo...@nospamlandco.uk> wrote in message
news:QESNVDAo...@demon.co.uk...
Sharp observation.
Christine Beatty
wrote:
>> You'd better pull out all the stops and get bach talking about the
>> reassignment of organs.
>
>Sharp observation.
Damn, people are *still* trying to orchestrate humor out of this
thread! Well, you won't get any symphony out of me.
:-D
Christine
Amanda Angelika
That makes me lacrimoso
:)
Pauline Brent
I thought about Chiming in again but decided to take flute instead.
Christine Beatty
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <664rbu85lcl9nf5oq...@4ax.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> You'd better pull out all the stops and get bach talking about the
>> >> reassignment of organs.
>> >
>> >Sharp observation.
>>
>> Damn, people are *still* trying to orchestrate humor out of this
>> thread! Well, you won't get any symphony out of me.
>
>Don't feel blue about it; just rock and roll with the punches, and jazz
>up your prose a bit. I won't rap you on the knuckles if you don't,
>though, and I won't even say "fugue you!"
I cantata top that!
Christine Beatty
<manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
>news:664rbu85lcl9nf5oq...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:51:09 -0700, "Diane A." <diane...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> You'd better pull out all the stops and get bach talking about the
>> >> reassignment of organs.
>> >
>> >Sharp observation.
>>
>> Damn, people are *still* trying to orchestrate humor out of this
>> thread! Well, you won't get any symphony out of me.
>>
>> :-D
>>
>> Christine
>
>That makes me lacrimoso
These puns are turning this place into Hell. A real Adante's Inferno.
Christine Beatty
wrote:
>
>"Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
>news:664rbu85lcl9nf5oq...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:51:09 -0700, "Diane A." <diane...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> You'd better pull out all the stops and get bach talking about the
>> >> reassignment of organs.
>> >
>> >Sharp observation.
>>
>> Damn, people are *still* trying to orchestrate humor out of this
>> thread! Well, you won't get any symphony out of me.
>>
>> :-D
>>
>> Christine
>
>I thought about Chiming in again but decided to take flute instead.
And you trying to horn in on this punfest now? As if things aren't bad
enough in the NG now. All this sax and violins.
Diane A.
> >though, and I won't even say "fugue you!"
Which brings to mind the question of "If Laura Blake was a music major
...would she be a fugue wit? "
Pauline Brent
sorry, I dont have any way to meter this.
Christine Beatty
wrote:
>
>"Christine Beatty" <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> And you trying to horn in on this punfest now? As if things aren't bad
>> enough in the NG now. All this sax and violins.
>
>sorry, I dont have any way to meter this.
Well, all I can say is we better scale this down and get into a
serious mode. Is somebody keeping score?
Christine Beatty
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <gabrbu4jrkm1to9tt...@4ax.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >> You'd better pull out all the stops and get bach talking about
>> >> >> the reassignment of organs.
>> >> >
>> >> >Sharp observation.
>> >>
>> >> Damn, people are *still* trying to orchestrate humor out of this
>> >> thread! Well, you won't get any symphony out of me.
>> >
>> >Don't feel blue about it; just rock and roll with the punches, and
>> >jazz up your prose a bit. I won't rap you on the knuckles if you
>> >don't, though, and I won't even say "fugue you!"
>>
>> I cantata top that!
>
>Wait a minuet; I'll bet you a tuba toothpaste you can if you try hard
>enough. Please keep it clean, though; we don't want any sax or violins
>around here.
When are we going to quit fiddling around with this thread? It might
be time to bow out...
Marina Brown
> In article <6IJu8.24435$tZ1.6...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> No I couldn't have copied it... um slight problem there...
>> Who is Wendy Carlos?
> <http://www.wendycarlos.com> Wendy did a number of LPs (many of which
> have since reissued as CDs) such as _Switched on Bach_; she's a maestro
> with the Moog synthesizer.
Maestro ?? That's not quite the right word. She invented the thing ;-)
Marina
> She also did the score and soundracks for _A
> Clockwork Orange_ and _Tron_.
> --Michelle
> --
> We're not human beings having a spiritual experience.
> We're spiritual beings having a human experience.
Christine Beatty
<mar...@fire.webcoves.org> wrote:
>Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>> In article <6IJu8.24435$tZ1.6...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
>> "Amanda Angelika" <manic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> No I couldn't have copied it... um slight problem there...
>>> Who is Wendy Carlos?
>
>> <http://www.wendycarlos.com> Wendy did a number of LPs (many of which
>> have since reissued as CDs) such as _Switched on Bach_; she's a maestro
>> with the Moog synthesizer.
>
>Maestro ?? That's not quite the right word. She invented the thing ;-)
Actually, the synthesizer was created by Robert Moog. Wendy was the
one who made it a household name in the late 60's.and early 70's.
Keith Emerson made the synthesizer popular among my generation and
actually worked with Moog to create new designs.
Christine
Christine Beatty
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <shq5cuoflt29jfoj2...@4ax.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@nonono.glamazon.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually, the synthesizer was created by Robert Moog. Wendy was the
>> one who made it a household name in the late 60's.and early 70's.
>> Keith Emerson made the synthesizer popular among my generation and
>> actually worked with Moog to create new designs.
>
>By the way, what is/was R2D2? (yours, not Luke's, that is)
In the studio, R2D2 is a collection of digital audio software
including Cakewalk, Acid, and a few other sequencing programs running
on a Pentium II with 400MHz ASUS m-board and a Gina sound card with
Roland VS-880s sometimes on the side, mixed down to a TASCAM DA-20
digital audio tape recorder. Live, R2D2 is the drums, bass, keyboards
and sound effects recorded in the studio played back on a DA-20,
either through the house PA (if big enough) or through JBL EON-15
speakers if the the house system is wimpy.
For those who crave to know more about the gear, go to
http://www.glamazonrocks.com/ and click on Gear.
Christine
Dana Wolf
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <1fap5ww.13lupgz1ky4vzjN%kaa-...@attbi.com>,
> kaa-...@attbi.com (Karen) wrote:
>
>> Ever hear of "Switched On Bach" and Juan Carlos?
>
>You mean Walter Carlos, right?
NOT since 76 SHe is now Wendy Carlos : )
Quite a while ago,even her old reords are re realesed woith her new
name. "If 27 years is old can be considered new"
Dana