when does srs fail ? what if you complete it?
Anonymous
i am also very interested in learning about diane lasks love life history.. it would be such a good read. i would want to find out all about it
Jennifer Usher
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> it successfully reassigns her sex, then the nominal goal was achieved.
If a person is left unable to function as a woman or a man, then the surgery
can be said to be a failure.
> Results vary. Some are functionally or cosmetically better than others.
> Sometimes revisions are needed. Sometimes dilation is neglected due to
> pain or to lack of concern for cavity size. But being able to legally
> change the "M" to an "F"-- is not that the important thing? a "perfect"
> neo-vagina is an unrealistic requirement.
There is a difference between "perfect" and completely non-functional. As
far as changing the "M" to an "F," some do that without any real surgery.
They simply find a doctor who is willing to provided vague enough paperwork
to fool a judge, so that is meaningless.
> This is aside from any psychological issues, of course, and suitability
> of the srs candidate. But I assume this discussion is about the physical
> aspects.
Yes, in this particular case, the discussion is primarily about the
physical, though bad physical results can lead to serious psychological
issues.
> As to Diane's love life, though I, too, would probably find it
> interesting, it is no more our business than mine or yours is.
> Speculation or conjecture would be improper.
True.
--
Jennifer Usher
fluffybunnie
>
><FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> What would constitute a "failure"? It is Sexual Reassignment Surgery. If
>> it successfully reassigns her sex, then the nominal goal was achieved.
>
> If a person is left unable to function as a woman or a man, then the surgery
> can be said to be a failure.
>
A fetishist like Lardo always sees transsexualism as being about
sexuality, so the number one priority to them is being able to
function sexually. It is conceivable to such people that "merely"
living as a female would be enough. QED.
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Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 3 Dec 2009 04:19:38 GMT, fluffybunnie <fluffy...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>A fetishist like Lardo always sees transsexualism as being about
>>sexuality, so the number one priority to them is being able to
>>function sexually. It is conceivable to such people that "merely"
>>living as a female would be enough. QED.
ROTFL! Actually, the term for someone who wants to "merely live as a
female" while retaining their male genitalia, is a transvestite. A great
deal of their desire is to be a "woman with a penis."
> Certainly there are post-ops who have no interest in sex with a man or
> sex that involves penetration, and who choose not to follow a proper
> dilation regimen. It could be said that such a person is not sexually
> functional as a female. Yet it is not unheard of for such a person to be
> quite satisfied with their "nonfunctioning" genitalia.
Yes, I suppose that is possible. There are some who are quite content to
simply see themselves as men who have been "feminized." They are refered to
as "autogynephiles." And then there are those of us who were born with a
female brain, who suffered from the conflict in our body and brain, and who
then took the steps to correct our birth defect. That is known as classic,
or true, transsexualism or, preferably, Harry Benjamin Syndrome. For us, it
is not about sex. It is simply about being a woman, period.
> Then again, for some, sexual function is extremely important, isn't it?
> I would not invalidate either of these two extremes. But for most, it
> does seem that inability or difficulty in vaginal intercourse, or less
> than ideal cosmetic appearance, are not going to ruin one's life. Well,
> maybe mine LOL but I am certainly not typical.
I would not call it an extreme at all. I know post-ops who identify as
lesbian, but who are were still quit concerned about simply being a normal
woman. Put another way, how many lesbian have you ever heard of who have
requested to have their vaginas removed or closed?
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
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> But what constitutes inability to function? If it is sexual intercourse,
> well, plenty of people get along just fine without that and are not in
> any way maladjusted or unhappy.
While I have no doubt that this is true, for many others, not being able to
function sexually would be quite upsetting. It has nothing to do with
sexual fetish, and everything to do with normal human sexuality. Believe
it, or not, most of us just take sexual function for granted. It is only
when it is not present that it becomes an issue.
> But again, what is nonfunctional? For some, the vagina is nothing more
> than where their pee comes from. It doesn't take a very "good" vagina to
> do that, and to more resemble female genitalia than male. In other
> words, if it is more innie than outie, it is probably preferable to the
> pre-SRS condition, for most TS.
Actually, "one's pee" comes from the urethra. But that aside, yes, for some
that might well be preferable. I had a friend, now deceased, who was a Type
I diabetic. That is, she had the more severe form of diabetes, and had been
denied surgery earlier in life. She desperately wanted to be corrected, but
had been unable to find a surgeon who would perform the surgery. Finally,
she persuaded a friend, who was also a urologist, to perform a modified form
of SRS where her penis and testicles were removed, but no vagina was
created. She was well past the age where intercourse was a major issue, and
she only lived a few more years, but she died a happy woman.
But that sort of thing is rare.
As it is, more than one study has been done regarding the results of SRS. A
small number of people have regrets following surgery. In the majority of
cases where there are regrets, bad surgical results is the leading cause.
Again, for classic, or true transsexuals, the goal is to simply be a
complete, normal woman. That includes having a normal, functional vagina.
Believe it, or not, having sex is not the goal. Just being normal is.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
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>>ROTFL! Actually, the term for someone who wants to "merely live as a
>>female" while retaining their male genitalia, is a transvestite. A great
>>deal of their desire is to be a "woman with a penis."
>
> But I thought that the case we were discussing involved SRS with
> imperfect results. She did not retain her male genitalia, did she? And a
> transvestite is one who crossdresses, usually "underdressing", for
> sexual gratification.
No, actually, we are talking about someone with a completely botched SRS. I
don't know all the details, but apparently there is some prolapse...that is,
the remains of the penis tend to come out.
And a major part of the sexual gratification, for some transvestites, is the
idea of being a "woman with a penis." Human sexuality is often far more
complex than many realize.
>>Yes, I suppose that is possible. There are some who are quite content to
>>simply see themselves as men who have been "feminized." They are refered
>>to
>>as "autogynephiles." And then there are those of us who were born with a
>>female brain, who suffered from the conflict in our body and brain, and
>>who
>>then took the steps to correct our birth defect. That is known as
>>classic,
>>or true, transsexualism or, preferably, Harry Benjamin Syndrome. For us,
>>it
>>is not about sex. It is simply about being a woman, period.
>
> A post-op who chooses not to dilate would probably not see herself as a
> feminized man, but as a woman. There neeed not be any irreconciliable
> conflict between lack of penetrability and a female brain.
Again, for those with a female brain, the desire is to be a complete and
normal woman.
> Such a woman probably would actually be a F2M. As for Lesbians, going
> through the expense and complication of having their vagina removed or
> closed would probably be pretty silly when one can simply decline offers
> of penetration. There is a difference between allowing a vagina to close
> up when it is naturally inclined to do so, and deliberately causing it
> to be closed through surgery. Concern about being a normal woman? Yes,
> that is important. But when the neovagina is not fully up to the task of
> intercourse, or does not look "pretty", one can generally cope, make
> adjustments, and get on with life. After all, what does one do pre-SRS?
> One makes do. Or in rare cases, does without. I honestly don't think I
> personally know any TS who never did anal, for instance. Yet, isn't this
> less than optimum, to say the least? And for every "I can't wait until I
> have a pussy", I have heard twice as many "I can't wait until I get rid
> of all that stuff that doesn't belong in my crotch". Nearly any
> concievable outcome is going to be preferable to not having surgery if
> it is indicated by "true" GID or transsexualism. I still therefore say
> that less than optimum SRS results, while a possible obstacle to
> overcome on the path to happiness, are not an insurmountable barrier to
> a happy life as a woman. I really can't think of any other points to
> make in supporting this view, so if my logic and observations are
> unacceptable, well, I guess that's it.
I thought about mentioning that, I was, of course, excluding F2Ms. But you
make my point. Such a person would actually have a male brain.
As to the rest, again, we are not talking about less than perfect. We are
talking about things coming back out.
And no, perfect results are not the goal. Almost all SRS results in
something within the norm for women. Shoot, one of the biggest increases in
plastic surgery is women who want their labia improved, so even what nature
provides is not perfect.
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Jennifer Usher
fluffybunnie
> news:eumeh59q3oskds6bi...@4ax.com...
>> On 3 Dec 2009 04:19:38 GMT, fluffybunnie <fluffy...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>A fetishist like Lardo always sees transsexualism as being about
>>>sexuality, so the number one priority to them is being able to
>>>function sexually. It is conceivable to such people that "merely"
>>>living as a female would be enough. QED.
>
> ROTFL! Actually, the term for someone who wants to "merely live as a
> female" while retaining their male genitalia, is a transvestite. A great
> deal of their desire is to be a "woman with a penis."
>
Fail. Not even close to being a worthy troll.
Much as you dearly love to characterize me that way publicly,
you know very well there's no truth to it, Lardo.
I wonder though...
By your definition what does one call a person who pretends to
be postop? Oh right, "true transsexual".
Interesting world you inhabit there...
:)
JenniferFlusher
>
> I wonder though...
> By your definition what does one call a person who pretends to
> be postop? Oh right, "true transsexual".
Was that you that mentioned they say Usher at a waiting for a bus
around the time he was supposed to have had surgery?
JenniferFlusher
> Oh dear... that would be disturbing. I hope she can get it fixed soon. I
> think the original surgeon should respond with the necessary revision. I
> have heard of a partial prolapse
In Usher's very male mind that's what a "prolapse" is - that's his sick
fantasy that one day all the vagina's will turn into penises. A world
full of penis is likely Lardo's wet dream.
You were curious about DIane. I know her pretty well. Her biggest
problem in life is being overly critical of herself. The problem she
had with her SRS was a constriction in the neo-vagina. That problem
was resolved many years ago.
I'm amazed that you have an interest in her love life LMAO . She dated
a transgendered woman some years back .A couple of years ago I saw her
with a sweet bit of male beefcake. My understanding her issue is not
with transgendered people at all - but with men who pretend to be
women. That's not transgendered - that's like a transvestite who maybe
was seen riding a bus when he was supposed to be having SRS pretending
he is really someone who changed sex. She also spends too much time
berating crazy people.
Keep in mind Helen that Usher lives here :
http://www.sfweekly.com/2007-10-10/news/the-vice-hotel/full
and has lived there for about 5 years now. He is in a city and state
funded homeless shelter and was given a small workfare admin job at
UCSF to help offset the hosing cost. That's where he's been since '05.
He lives in a 9x9 space. He has no kitchen. He shares a community
bathroom. That's his life. So take his "facts" with a grain of salf.
fluffybunnie
Waiting for a Muni train actually, at the 16th and Mission station.
fluffybunnie
> like a transvestite who maybe was seen riding a bus when he was
> supposed to be having SRS pretending he is really someone who
> changed sex.
> Keep in mind Helen that Usher lives here :
> http://www.sfweekly.com/2007-10-10/news/the-vice-hotel/full
>
> and has lived there for about 5 years now. He is in a city and state
> funded homeless shelter and was given a small workfare admin job at
> UCSF to help offset the hosing cost. That's where he's been since '05.
> He lives in a 9x9 space. He has no kitchen. He shares a community
> bathroom. That's his life. So take his "facts" with a grain of salf.
>
All true, and I have known him in 3D.
Lardo is a big, fat troll, a big, fat liar, and a nasty (fake
X-tian) fundamentalist.
Other than that I think he's just a swell guy.
And yes, until he knocks off the pronoun abuse he gets treated in
kind.
If he stopped trolling and stopped lying I'd give him the appropriate
respect. I have no problem with fetshists until they misrepresent
themselves as "post-op" and proceed to berate others for being "less
than". But he's such a freaking @$$hole, he'll never change.
JenniferFlusher
> I have no problem with fetshists until they misrepresent
>themselves as "post-op" and proceed to berate others for being "less
>than". But he's such a freaking @$$hole, he'll never change.
He's more mentally ill - which doesn't exclude him from being an asshole.
He lives in a homeless shelter where his peers are drug addicts and
other mentally ill people. He lives in a 9x9 room without closet,
kitchen or bathroom. He spends all his non-work hours in that room.
His job has been provided by the city to pay the rent on his cell.
Where do you live?
Where do I live?
Hehehehe...
Jennifer Usher
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> Oh dear... that would be disturbing. I hope she can get it fixed soon. I
> think the original surgeon should respond with the necessary revision. I
> have heard of a partial prolapse but it usually involves a slight
> turning out of the vaginal lining, or slight protrusion of the urethra,
> not anything that actually hangs way out there, isn't that so? Oh and I
> know the urethral thing is fairly easy to fix. But if it can't be fixed,
> it doesn't make her any less a woman, and a relatively happy life is not
> some unattainable fantasy, but a reality for anyone who will work at it.
> Anyway, Good Luck, Dianne, if you are reading.
It has been a good many years, and apparently this person has not bothered.
Why, I don't know. It could be lack of funds, it could be lack of
motivation (i.e. other things are more important). I do know that the
original doctor has died.
> But you can't seriously believe that she wants to be a "woman with a
> penis"? She didn't climb up on the table for that, I'm sure. Nor could
> she be classified as a TV. She is a woman, who happens to have a problem
> with her vagina. Not so rare. At least it's not a yeast infection. Ewww.
I am not talking about Diane when mention wanting to be a woman with a
penis. I am talking about the fool who calls himself "Fluffy Bunny" and his
sockpuppet "Jennifer Flusher." That person is an avowed, and obnoxiously
so, "non-op."
> The F2M would have a male brain. The TS by definition would not. I did
> not make your point. There is a difference between allowing the cavity
> to shrink naturally, and closing it through surgery. One can be
> indifferent to cavity size or lack thereof and still have a female
> brain. Taking deliberate steps that involve great expense and potential
> problems to close up the vagina would indicate a male brain. Failing to
> dilate would be indifference... or for some, giving in on the pain.
> Surely you acknowledge the difference?
I disagree. As I say, transsexuals desire to be normal. Having a vagina is
normal. That is why they spend the money for surgery. Failure to dilate
would indicate some desire to be rid of the vagina.
> Well, I heard it said once, paraphrasing for less vulgarity, "vagina is
> a lot like pizza. When it is good, it's fantastic! When it's not so
> good, it's still okay." :o) Personally I like them all if they don't
> smell bad.
Surgical results have improved considerably over the years. There was a
time when the surgeons' philosophy was basically, "create a hole a penis can
fit in and they will be happy." People demanded better, and now the results
are much better. Some early surgeries were grotesque.
--
Jennifer Usher
JenniferFlusher
>> and has lived there for about 5 years now. He is in a city and state
>> funded homeless shelter and was given a small workfare admin job at
>> UCSF to help offset the hosing cost. That's where he's been since '05.
>> He lives in a 9x9 space. He has no kitchen. He shares a community
>> bathroom. That's his life. So take his "facts" with a grain of salf.
>
> Yes, I know where Jennifer lives. I don't see what bearing it has either
> way on her credibility, though.
I would suggest that someone who is just a homeless shelter away from
being a street person probably does not have much in the way of mental
acuity let alone credibility.
> I really do think that the nice thing to do is to use the pronouns that
> the subject prefers. We really all should do this, in the interest of
> civility.
Point 1 : Usher has long ago lost any right to civility for any reason
let alone pronouns. Probably everyone else here (all four of us LOL )
save yourself believe that.
Point 2. As a woman, I am not inclined to use female pronouns just
because a person asks for it. I think it demeaning towards woman, for
instance to use a female pronoun for someone who sexualizes and
fetishises a woman, such as a transvestite. A transvestite is not a
woman and I see it as demeaning towards women to grant a sexual fetish
gender equality.
Jennifer Usher
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> Well, MOST people's love life, if they have one, is at least vaguely
> interesting.
And, quite frankly, it is nobody's business.
> Oh, my! You go, girl!
Actually, I do hope you realize that you are dealing with the same person as
"Fluffy Bunny," aka Goat Boy.
>>My understanding her issue is not
>>with transgendered people at all - but with men who pretend to be
>>women. That's not transgendered - that's like a transvestite who maybe
>>was seen riding a bus when he was supposed to be having SRS pretending
>>he is really someone who changed sex. She also spends too much time
>>berating crazy people.
Goat Boy loves to make the claim that I did not have SRS. He has made up
this silliness about seeing me on a bus, which would have been difficult
since I was in the hospital for a week. After that, I had to go out
occasionally, though I did spend most of my time recuperating. It is funny
he did not mention this at the time, but only came up with this relatively
recently. But, it is all so much silliness. I did not have SRS for anyone
other than myself. If it makes Goat Boy happy to lie about it, so what? He
can't change the facts, he can only make up his lies.
>>Keep in mind Helen that Usher lives here :
>>http://www.sfweekly.com/2007-10-10/news/the-vice-hotel/full
>>
>>and has lived there for about 5 years now. He is in a city and state
>>funded homeless shelter and was given a small workfare admin job at
>>UCSF to help offset the hosing cost. That's where he's been since '05.
>> He lives in a 9x9 space. He has no kitchen. He shares a community
>>bathroom. That's his life. So take his "facts" with a grain of salf.
>
> Yes, I know where Jennifer lives. I don't see what bearing it has either
> way on her credibility, though.
Well, the only truth in the above is that yes, I live at the Mission Hotel.
As I have pointed out, I pay less than a fifth of my income on rent. Beyond
that, the rest is bogus. This is not a homeless shelter. It is an SRO that
has been converted to what are, effectively and legally, apartments. I do
not have a workfare job, I am a career (i.e. permanent and regular) employee
at UCSF My job is not remotely workfare. I did manage to land my job, and
avoid having to actually do workfare, by volunteering with UCSF, but that
was over five years ago. Oh, and no, I have my own bathroom. Granted, most
of the people here do share bathrooms. I have my own. Granted, we do, now
have shared kitchen space.
> "hosing cost"? Hmmmm....
No, I pay full rent. Granted, with rent control, it is less than I might
pay elsewhere,
> I really do think that the nice thing to do is to use the pronouns that
> the subject prefers. We really all should do this, in the interest of
> civility.
I honestly could care less what pronouns this idiot troll uses. Again, I am
quite secure in my identity, and he cannot change reality. He can just
fume, bluster, and sputter.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
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> Some of the cheaper ones still are! In Thailand, the local girls often
> get what really isn't much more than a hole, while farangs with $18,000
> to spend get pretty nice work.
So I have read. I don't know how true that is though. I was not aware that
the cost there was up to $18,000. The last I knew, it was well under
$10,000. Then again, I have little reason to keep up with the costs of SRS
these days.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The congratulatory comment was aimed at Diane, actually.
I don't know if said person is still around.
> I was pointing out the typo, which painted a humorous picture in my mind
> when I saw it.
I usually ignore the all too common spelling errors.
> Well lots to do tomorrow, and look at the time. Nite nite everybody.
> Sweet dreams.
Yes, I know the feeling. At least it is Friday.
--
Jennifer Usher
fluffybunnie
>
> I am talking about the fool who calls himself "Fluffy Bunny" and his
> sockpuppet "Jennifer Flusher." That person is an avowed, and obnoxiously
> so, "non-op."
>
An oft-repeated lie is still a lie.
Your real problem with me is that I dared to challenge your lying and
trolling on this group. Prior to that you had only nice things to say
about me. Of course, no-one in their right mind believes anything you
have to say anyway. You're the only person impressed by your trolling.
JenniferFlusher
>>
>
> Civility is not something that another person must earn.
Civility may not have to be earned - but I never mentioned that it should.
The right to Civility can be lost by being an uncivil bastard ones self
- which is what I said with regard to Usher.
Being civil to an intentionally ignorant Neanderthal brute is nothing
more than an exercise in masochism.
interestingtopic
One thing I learned about this group is dont give away too much about
yourself, espc things like I will probably never have surgery. Thats really
good ammo for those who choose to use your usenet history a weapon. This
stopped being a discussion group some years ago now its just a haven for
hatred and spite. Stalking is common practice and have seen it for myself.
As you can see what was a very interesting subject always gets hijacked and
used as way of targeting eachother. There are plenty of more supportive
groups out there. Run and dont get suckered into this group......
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> We paid approximately $7800 for the complete surgical and care package.
> Her surgeon was Dr. Suporn. Shortly thereafter he went up to $15000 US.
> This was several years ago so with inflation I am just guessing as I
> have not done any actual pricing either as I will probably never have
> surgery. Granted Suporn was one of the most expensive... I am sure you
> can find someone to do it for under 10K if one is not so picky. At the
> time that my ex got hers, the infamous Yan Hee clinic was charging
> approximately $3400 for basic vaginoplasty and VERY basic post-op care.
> I have never heard of an American going to them, though. I think they
> mostly do the local girls. My Wild-Ass Guess of $18K would reflect the
> best surgeons prices for full "Vag-n-Lab" surgery and aftercare.
>
> --
> "Oh, look; we have created enchantment!"
> (Blanche Dubois, "Streetcar Named Desire")
>
> Kisses and Tickles
> Helen Detroit
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Jennifer Usher
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> Well, you know she often goes long times without posting, either lurking
> or just not bothering with the group. But the chickens always come home
> to roost, even if they use a different nym.
I have a pretty good idea of why said person left, but I am not going to
say.
> She could be very abrasive and snippy at times, but occasionally she
> would post something that would make me really go "hmmmmmm.....". I
> would like to see her posting here again. Especially now that her old
> nemesis who I will not name, doesn't come around anymore.
Lask was posting through anon remailers, and not too long ago tracked down
said old nemesis. Lask is a bit unstable and more than a bit obsessive.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> We paid approximately $7800 for the complete surgical and care package.
> Her surgeon was Dr. Suporn. Shortly thereafter he went up to $15000 US.
> This was several years ago so with inflation I am just guessing as I
> have not done any actual pricing either as I will probably never have
> surgery. Granted Suporn was one of the most expensive... I am sure you
> can find someone to do it for under 10K if one is not so picky. At the
> time that my ex got hers, the infamous Yan Hee clinic was charging
> approximately $3400 for basic vaginoplasty and VERY basic post-op care.
> I have never heard of an American going to them, though. I think they
> mostly do the local girls. My Wild-Ass Guess of $18K would reflect the
> best surgeons prices for full "Vag-n-Lab" surgery and aftercare.
If he is not careful, he could price himself out of the market. The reason
Thailand was popular was high quality surgery for a bargain basement price.
$15,000 plus travel expenses is getting close to the lower end of U.S.
prices...unless they have skyrocketed.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Civility is not something that another person must earn. It is an
> outward manifestation of our own dignity and a desire to forestall
> unnecessary and meaningless conflict. It is about staying above the
> cesspit of scorn and insult, even if it is deemed necessary to speak to
> someone who is in it. There is no "right" to civility. It just IS. If I
> speak politely to you, it doesn't mean I like you, necessarily. But it
> does show that I like and respect ME and do not wish my speech to
> reflect poorly on me.
Let me be clear...I could care less whether any of the idiot trolls is civil
or not. I rather enjoy watching them having fits. They are the ones that
are suffering here, not me.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"interestingtopic" <whogive...@inyaface.com> wrote in message
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> One thing I learned about this group is dont give away too much about
> yourself, espc things like I will probably never have surgery. Thats
> really good ammo for those who choose to use your usenet history a weapon.
> This stopped being a discussion group some years ago now its just a haven
> for hatred and spite. Stalking is common practice and have seen it for
> myself. As you can see what was a very interesting subject always gets
> hijacked and used as way of targeting eachother. There are plenty of more
> supportive groups out there. Run and dont get suckered into this
> group......
Actually, that is good advice.
As to someone not having surgery, my advice is, "If you can live without it,
don't have it as you don't really need it." But please, if you don't need
it, don't claim to be the same as a transsexual...you are not.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
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> So, Thailand is still competitively priced, and the Thai surgeons, the
> better ones anyway, are doing great work. Airfare can still be had for
> around $1200 round trip. Accomodations are cheap and the people are very
> nice. Pretty scenery, interesting cuisine, and plenty of amusements for
> traveling companions in the nightclubs and fleshpots of Bangkok,
> Pattaya, and Phuket. Thailand is a very T-friendly place, especially in
> Bangkok or the Pattaya/Sattahip area. Pharmacies are cheap and will sell
> you pretty much whatever you need. Adherence to the SOC is becoming more
> common in Thailand but it is not as rigidly enforced as in the US. Thai
> prices could nearly equal US prices and they would still get some
> American business. Low price is not the only reason people go to
> Thailand for SRS or related surgery. It is just one of many reasons.
Yes, I was seriously considering Thailand before I got a job that provided
insurance coverage for my surgery. My only regret is not getting to make
the trip, but I am quite happy with my results.
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Jennifer Usher