A New Place?
JenniferFlusher
would so something anonymously perhaps.
Lets use this place to talk a bit :
I'm thinking of a place
1. Who's main page is a TS/TG news aggregator akin to something like
the Huffington Post or The Democratic Underground or Slashdot - perhaps
more slashdot than anything else.
2. Where the news items are commented upon very much like slashdot or
The Democratic Underground
3. Probably with some sort of editorials section where different
commentators can chime in with different points of view. Perhaps this
would be nothing more than a Diary section? Perhaps something else ?
4. At some point a chat room (heavily policed)
5. Some sort of resource listing area that we can cull from other sites
for a start
I would like to see civility as being heavily enforced with something
very close to a zero tolerance policy for uncivil and trollish
behaviors.
Yes, my particular idea is something with a TS focus and I can see it
open to a more of a TG thing though. I wouldn't want to have a
transvestite or cross-dresser focus personally.
What do you think of the above ?
(btw - when Usher comments as he inevitably will ...can we just petend
that he didn't and ignore him in this thread? He's a real distractor
when it comes to talking about things)
fluffybunnie
> Looks like Willow and Barbie are interested and my guess is Bunnie
> would so something anonymously perhaps.
>
I'd be open to that.
> Lets use this place to talk a bit :
> I'm thinking of a place
>
> 1. Who's main page is a TS/TG news aggregator akin to something like
> the Huffington Post or The Democratic Underground or Slashdot - perhaps
> more slashdot than anything else.
>
> 2. Where the news items are commented upon very much like slashdot or
> The Democratic Underground
>
> 3. Probably with some sort of editorials section where different
> commentators can chime in with different points of view. Perhaps this
> would be nothing more than a Diary section? Perhaps something else ?
>
> 4. At some point a chat room (heavily policed)
>
> 5. Some sort of resource listing area that we can cull from other sites
> for a start
>
> I would like to see civility as being heavily enforced with something
> very close to a zero tolerance policy for uncivil and trollish
> behaviors.
>
> Yes, my particular idea is something with a TS focus and I can see it
> open to a more of a TG thing though. I wouldn't want to have a
> transvestite or cross-dresser focus personally.
>
> What do you think of the above ?
>
TransDot.org?
:)
Actually, I thought the slashcode was great until they made the firehose
the dominant paradigm... Kinda peaked in 2005 and has become progressively
more slow and buggy since. Still addicted to reading it everyday anyway.
Say, not too long ago I read some comment someone posted on /. about a
hypothetical situation in which a woman named "fluffy bunnie" becomes head
of a corporation. Right away I wondered if that was you posting...
But back on topic, I do like your idea.
> (btw - when Usher comments as he inevitably will ...can we just petend
> that he didn't and ignore him in this thread? He's a real distractor
> when it comes to talking about things)
>
I just composed and then deleted a reply to one of that person's
recent critical posts. The return of Helen and Barbie has inspired
me a bit, so I'm going to try to avoid the bickering.
If there are a few of us here who can maintain a civil environment,
this group could actually come back to life and be useful.
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barbie
> Looks like Willow and Barbie are interested and my guess is Bunnie
> would so something anonymously perhaps.
>
> Lets use this place to talk a bit :
> I'm thinking of a place
>
> 1. Who's main page is a TS/TG news aggregator akin to something like
> the Huffington Post or The Democratic Underground or Slashdot - perhaps
> more slashdot than anything else.
Unfortunately, slashcode is seriously out of date. pudge says
they'll fix that RSN (real soon now), but it's been 3 months (and the
current repo is years out of date).
Also, there are still so many bugs in the 2.0 interface that it's
become a running joke - people have had to figure out how to diddle
the various urls to get back as many of the old features as possible.
At this point, I suspect many would even put up with the "OMG
Ponies!!!" theme for a week or two if that's what it takes to get the
old interface back.
The one feature of slash that's really good is the user-driven
moderation system. I expect that eventually this feature will be added
to other content management systems, and for now, we could just hold
anonymous posts and article submissions for moderation by any of us
(just give everyone in "the group" moderation rights to story
submissions and anon comment posts, so no one person gets overwhelmed,
or things get backlogged).
> 2. Where the news items are commented upon very much like slashdot or
> The Democratic Underground
People could take a look at groklaw.net. It can be made a LOT nicer-
looking (pictures, etc) and more usable (clickable topic icons), but
you can get the basic idea. Stories, comments, additional features.
> 3. Probably with some sort of editorials section where different
> commentators can chime in with different points of view. Perhaps this
> would be nothing more than a Diary section? Perhaps something else ?
There's no reason a "user journal system" like on slashdot can't be
incorporated, and just "feature" journal items that are interesting.
For those of you who aren't familiar with it, think of having your own
blog in the new system, and making either parts, none, or all of it
viewable by others, and also the ability for people to post comments
to your personal writings, just like any other blog. This would give
value to the end user, as well as letting them keep their circle of
friends (real and virtual) up to date, if that's what they want to do.
> 4. At some point a chat room (heavily policed)
Umm ... chat rooms tend to be more impulsive - there's less likelihood
for someone to read what they've written before pressing enter,
whereas with posts, you have to actually hit submit. Also, web-based
chat clients eat system resources like crazy. And then there's the
problem of policing ... it's not like we can place a chat session into
a moderation queue.
Still, maybe something can be worked out. It's something to think
about.
> 5. Some sort of resource listing area that we can cull from other
sites
> for a start
A wiki is probably the best bet for semi-static content like that.
Adding static pages and updating all the links gets old fast :-) Or
maybe someone can come up with something better.
> I would like to see civility as being heavily enforced with something
> very close to a zero tolerance policy for uncivil and trollish
> behaviors.
Obviously no hate speech. Pronoun abuse, to my mind, counts as hate
speech.
Also, no outing people. That's just crude and rude. If someone wants
to flame, there are 4 possible ways of handling it that come to mind:
1. Time-out (no posting for x time)
2. Throttling (kind of hard to troll if you can only post twice a day)
3. Differential views (that's where the troll gets served a page with
their rude content, but everyone else is served a page without the
rudeness. They wonder why everyone is suddenly ignoring them, but its
because only their account (or their IP if they log out to check that
they're getting the "real page", gets to see their own garbage).
4. Featuring a censored version on a "wall of shame."
Different combinations allow for a graduated response.
> Yes, my particular idea is something with a TS focus and I can see it
> open to a more of a TG thing though. I wouldn't want to have a
> transvestite or cross-dresser focus personally.
Most CMS systems allow for the creation of topics, and some allow for
a hierarchy of topics. Some issues, obviously, are specific only to
one group, while others intersect a broader spectrum of users and
interests.
> What do you think of the above ?
Great! So, when are you going to set all this up? :-)
> (btw - when Usher comments as he inevitably will ...can we just petend
> that he didn't and ignore him in this thread? He's a real distractor
> when it comes to talking about things)
Usher? The musician and actor? ;-p
Worse comes to worse, I can set up a private bulletin board on a spare
domain (I have a few) and we can take the discussion there, unless
someone else wants to do it.
I think that would be a shame, and should only be a last resort,
because I think it's *good* to discuss this out in the open. Let
people who check in once in a blue moon know that something positive
is going on for a change. Maybe some of them will join in the
discussion over the holidays ...
BTW - thanks for starting this thread. I'm sure everyone appreciates
it.
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Fluffy Barbie
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barbie
wrote:
Note to everyone: Please do NOT post any proposed domain names here.
Usher would be only TOO happy to domain-squat out of spite.
> Actually, I thought the slashcode was great until they made the firehose
> the dominant paradigm... Kinda peaked in 2005 and has become progressively
> more slow and buggy since. Still addicted to reading it everyday anyway.
... you left out "trolling pudge" :-p
pudge is a bit of a fundie, so every time there's a state or province
or country that passes or rejects a same-sex marriage bill, we bug the
heck out of each other. Doesn't prevent us from agreeing on other
things, or respecting each other as people; having to vigorously
defend our positions makes us think them through, which is always a
good thing.
> Say, not too long ago I read some comment someone posted on /. about a
> hypothetical situation in which a woman named "fluffy bunnie" becomes head
> of a corporation. Right away I wondered if that was you posting...
>
> But back on topic, I do like your idea.
>
> > (btw - when Usher comments as he inevitably will ...can we just petend
> > that he didn't and ignore him in this thread? He's a real distractor
> > when it comes to talking about things)
>
> I just composed and then deleted a reply to one of that person's
> recent critical posts
I've posted a few replies for posterity (and composed and deleted a
few more) , along with a link or two to show people how it really is.
Once everyone else leaves, all that will be needed will be a cron job
to post back an invitation to anyone who stumbles here accidentally.
Maybe include a "what's being discussed now ..." as part of the
invitation.
>The return of Helen and Barbie has inspired
> me a bit, so I'm going to try to avoid the bickering.
> If there are a few of us here who can maintain a civil environment,
> this group could actually come back to life and be useful.
Unfortunately, I don't see a.s.srs reviving. The only way to deal
with a troll is to out-post and out-troll it, 10 to 1. I don't mind
making a few points for posterity, but I left here because dealing
with Usher leaves me feeling dirty. Sure, I can out-troll Usher -
pudge makes Usher look like an amateur - but there's no point in it.
It's not a give-and-take where there's a chance that someone will in
the heat of the "discussion" suddenly stumble upon an insight, which
for me is the real reason to troll ... to make people *think* outside
the box. If you're doing it just because you like to yank people's
chains, you need help. And a life.
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> (=^.^=)
> (")_(")
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nice work girls
the egos that exist here.
It would be really nice to be able to talk about the issues over the whos
got balls and who hasnt..
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barbie
<conceptg...@whatisthereality.com> wrote:
> Love the general idea but will only work if the topics arent taken over by
> the egos that exist here.
The way systems like the ones I'm proposing work is that either anyone
or just registered users can submit an article, link, story, or
topic . If it looks interesting, it might be edited for typos before
it goes live (some sites are notorious for not fixing simple typos in
user submissions).
Usually, you allow the general public to submit anonymously to the
story queue, but if the level of spam and garbage gets too high, you
can temporarily limit it to registered users. This way, people who
want to remain anonymous but contribute content can still "get their
feet wet".
> It would be really nice to be able to talk about the issues over the whos
> got balls and who hasnt..
I'm assuming you mean "It would be really nice to be able to talk
about the issues instead of ...", in which case, yes. Unlike Mick in
the Crocodile Dundee movie, people generally don't go around checking
for the existence of certain "equipment" in public, so why do it in
what is supposed to be a support forum, unless it's to try to
establish some sort of pecking order - which isn't support in any
shape, manner, or form?