Psoriasis and Stress
Charlie Bob
A lot of money was at stake, and my career. That is when my
psoriasis started. I went to the derm doc and he gave me the usual,
it helped some. And the summer of the campaign, the sun helped a lot.
But I still had psoriasis, mainly on my shins and my scalp. I won
the primary, which was great, but the stress got worse.
After I lost the general election, within a matter of weeks the
psoriasis was gone. It has been four years, and I hope to never be in
such a stressful situation again.
I used to read this newsgroup on usenet and thought I would simply
return and pass this along. I had read stress could be a factor, and
with me, that seemed to be the only factor.
I lost the election, but I won the war.
Tom Trevathan
I've won elections and I still have psoriasis.
Darn!
Tom
Yorksgirl123
18 to begin my nurse training. Within 2 days i developed severe psoriasis - no
previous symptoms at all. For the next 10 years i kept it under control with
creams. I had the occaisional flare when i got tonsilitus but it soon went.
When i was 29 i split from a long term relationship aand my P came back with a
vengence and for 2 years i was unable to control it until i started on
methotrexate. So yes i agree stress has an impact for me. God this sounds dull
hehehehehe
Randall
> In 1999, I entered a campaign for elective office, kind of a big deal.
> A lot of money was at stake, and my career. That is when my
> psoriasis started.
So, some unresolved fear of failure or what?
Did you get strep or anything at this time due to stress?
And if so, did you recieve antibiotics for the treatment?
> I went to the derm doc and he gave me the usual,
> it helped some. And the summer of the campaign, the sun helped a lot.
> But I still had psoriasis, mainly on my shins and my scalp. I won
> the primary, which was great, but the stress got worse.
I've been in similar stressful situations and cleared.
>
> After I lost the general election, within a matter of weeks the
> psoriasis was gone. It has been four years, and I hope to never be in
> such a stressful situation again.
Yet, everything is OK in your life? Was this the only time you've
had P?
>
> I used to read this newsgroup on usenet and thought I would simply
> return and pass this along. I had read stress could be a factor, and
> with me, that seemed to be the only factor.
>
> I lost the election, but I won the war.
Bill Brown, a regular contributor to this group has posted
at least more then a few times his clearing upon going on
SSRi's. So, who knows, Mayor/President "Charlie BOB" had
he gone on the SSRi pills may have beat the P and been
elected. Just for you info, BOB! <G>
I did go back and check out this whole thread. <EG>
It was started by Zack and Ted Grossbart in 1996.
You can click on the good doctor's site and even read
selected chapters of his book, Skin Deep.
Not all of the book as pointed out by DaveW in a later thread.
Dave implies his posts of his site are spam. A touchy area, but since
the doctor is a touchy/feely doc, i don't see why a good smack up side
of the head with his mild hypocrisy isn't in order.
I feel that had he stayed and posted freely, he may have picked up
even more clients to his type of psoriatic care.
Here is his online book (parts of it anyway),
http://grossbart.com/book.html
You can click on and read the first five chapters and then the 13th,
16th-20th and some of the appendices.
I've read the 13th chapter and this is some controversial stuff
and may or may not apply to you directly and your psoriasis.
What i'm trying to say is your gut reactions may vary as mine
did.
Here is the 16th post to that thread by SC on April 2nd of 1999,
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&rnum=11&thl=1713612390,1712306749,1710509224,1680728967,1679930193,1679818220,1679776770,1679736840,1679563811,1679035163,1679002874,1678945817&seekm=19981231120452.25458.00002028%40ngol06.aol.com#link16
After *that* little boatload, I think the P to stress link is a *lot*
more subtle than anyone may appreciate. And just to throw something
else into the mix: early experiments with LSD(yes, acid...) showed
that it was a 'cure' for psoriasis. Thing is, itseems to do it by
*permanent scrambling* of some grown pathways in the brain, and the
effect is *random* not *targeted*. Thus the side effects may
comprehensively outweigh the advantages - you wind up with no P but
with flaskbacks to having P, or something like that.
Steve (apparently three-handed, from re-reading paras 1 & 2)
I'll be sure to read those chapters! Some good old Doctor Leary cure
for
psychosomatic illness may very well helP some of us.
BTW SC, did it give you a respite from P for those few
prodigal years on the mountain toP? <EG>
Scaly peaks don't come cheap when you open the doors of perceptions?
But before the skin flies, i'll buttress my previous position that the
main cause of P, other then the multifactorial DNA, is the
LPS (endotoxin) and gut permeability needed for access to the system.
All other things being equal i'd say of course the p curse makes for
some hair raising emotional truama. Yet, isn't that all downstream in
the final analysis?
Doesn't streP trigger the inital event for most of us? Couldn't
lectins
and a whole host of factors other then mom was a drunk and i hate
my father be at the heart of the P problem?
For myself any time i go on a low arachidonic acid diet (low
meat/paleo)
i clear due to the lack of inflammatory fuel. And it doesn't matter
how much or little stress i have going on at the time.
During one of the most stressful times of my life i did precisely
that and cleared up so much that i felt so much better so quickly
that i may have saved my self from a major funk.
Furthermore, reliving some squalid details of your life on your
shoulder
like a red badge of honor that you've survived is rather illustrative
of the depths that the soul can sink to when its in obvious despair
and ignorance.
To think that your skin p is your funky life is a bit of a stretch
for P. Maybe not for some other skinny situations, but i don't know
about them. Do they have streP first also? LOL
randall.. my Th1 grows weary, tried some psychic soaP lately SC?
DTrom73757789
Steve Cassidy
horse...@hotmail.com (Charlie Bob) wrote:
> I lost the election, but I won the war.
Hey, I'd vote for you.
The only problem with the stress-response thing is; some people can't put
down the source of their stress, because it is also the source of their
livelihood.
Steve Cassidy
yorksg...@aol.com (Yorksgirl123) wrote:
> God this sounds dull
> hehehehehe
Not at all!
For me, I can't link (say) being in the wrong place on Sept 11 with a
flare that week or a month later or whatever. If I was going to link
something to a flare, it would be coughs & colds - my most recent
definitely started with a sore throat, for instance.
I do know that some of the experiments with LSD and Psoriasis indicated
that the 'connection' between stress and skin flares was broken by use of
the drug (though that's not something I feel like experimentally
verifying!)
Randall
> In article <20030528111950...@mb-m16.aol.com>,
> yorksg...@aol.com (Yorksgirl123) wrote:
>
> > God this sounds dull
I'll try to sPice it uP!
> > hehehehehe
>
> Not at all!
>
> For me, I can't link (say) being in the wrong place on Sept 11 with a
> flare that week or a month later or whatever. If I was going to link
> something to a flare, it would be coughs & colds - my most recent
> definitely started with a sore throat, for instance.
Sinusitis was my p vector this sPring. See Pai-1 for some P links,
in the P news thread if my memory serves me.
Yet no pollen allergy this year! That didn't start till my early 40's.
>
> I do know that some of the experiments with LSD and Psoriasis indicated
> that the 'connection' between stress and skin flares was broken by use of
> the drug (though that's not something I feel like experimentally
> verifying!)
Yes, but you sound like one who has seen. SC the ePoPtes?
You were just so sweet with our Miss teen it brought a tear
to my eyes.
Ok i won't play misty right now. Back to evil lectins/wheat/grains!
The wheat/grain thing does lend itself to the Harvard Psych
Doctors (Leary and Ram Dass) prescription for seeing the almighty.
I can hear Leary now, "If Hoffman at sandoz can't isolate
the acid we'll be stuck with sucking down ergot on rye, yuck!"
Ironic that the skin Doctor Goldbart also came out of that department.
Maybe a progressively liberal bent leads to monetary fulfillment?
Even more fitting is sending learys remains into outer sPace.
Lets have some fun with this one,
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=blechon&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3B6D93FD.93D10876%40cei.net&rnum=1
Looking at the art and the terrain makes one wonder how high the
civilization got,
http://images.google.com/images?q=eleusis&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gi
Yet, when it comes down to the actual neuronal chemistry
5Ht binds to 5HT2A as either a agonist or antagonist, so seeing
or not the almighty remains a iffy proposition.
But, one can be healed without the eyes? In the mind?
Since all my Leary books were borrowed and never returned,
i can maybe dig uP something interesting along the lines
of "Straight With The Medicine" The TiPi way.
I may find an illuminative line or two there.
Never neglect the LOngfellow, (Resignation [1849)
There is no Death! What seems so is transition;
This life of mortal breath
Is but a suburb of the life elysian,
Whose portal we call Death.
randall.. pass the Kykeion and heavy on the mint, er ergot, please!
Steve Cassidy
ranh...@aol.com (Randall) wrote:
> Yes, but you sound like one who has seen. SC the ePoPtes?
> You were just so sweet with our Miss teen it brought a tear
> to my eyes.
This is just so damn cutting, I can't work out what it means. At all.
BvG
"DTrom73757789" <dtrom7...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030528213636...@mb-m16.aol.com...
> I also devolped psorias in 1999 after my father died. I was extremly
streesed.
Interestingly enough, this is when mine got bad too but in 2000.
When it first started (before diagnosed) it was only a little bit on my feet
and then to my hands. But it was after 2 bouts of strep in one year and a
case of the shingles. Ooh boy I didn't think it could get any worse after
that! Who knew?
och well.....
barb
Randall
H'mmmm, excuse me for my cuttery, though the previous razors
edge analogy also failed to enlighten your psoriasis angst, i
figured some good old relating of one P to the other
and your past words was in order. Did you not propose
empirical acts for this grouP?
Should i leave you twisting in the wind or attemPt another
path to P nirvana and understanding? Your one curious confused
cat on a hot tin roof and really should let your feet do your
thinking.
If you must know and i don't know that you do as i don't
sense a question, uP there yet,
From your first post in this thread (#16) on april 2, 1999, i was
lead to believe that your mentioning of LSD as a possible
therapeutic agent for de-Stress-ery and a P curative
possibility was very insightful. Was i wrong?
My tying leary to grossbart at harvard with stress and acid
was fortuitously provided by the thread and zack grossbart who
created the subject with Teds site addy.
On-line books are cool, huh? CePt when they leave out the meat
and only give you the bun/lettuce/tomato and relish.
And two of those are problematic for at least some of us.
I figured you must be adePt in this acid area, "One who has seen".
Since your backing away from it now, i won't ask if you
enjoyed the elysian fields and the mythological history
from the gnostic mystory.
Classical mythology i find fascinating. I also like James Joyce.
His Ulysses work, an analogy of Homers Odyssey is apropo as
Joyce transfers the shiftiness of Proteus to the shifting shaPes of
things and the difficulty of perceiving the truth in mere aPPearances.
The "ineluctable modality of the visible". You see? You should!
Even the mint in the Kykeion/ergot elixir plays a role. Hades who was
married to Persephone had an extramarital fling with a nymph called
Mintha, who
was turned into a plant by the mother in-law Demeter or the jealous
wife, persephone. Plug that one into your matrix connections.
Demeter is the Earth mother or Grain mother. How's that for
a fertile link to P and wheaty/lectin problems. Ergot, claviceps
purpurea,
a parisitic fungus that grows on rye, (my wry motor scooter wit!)
is an alkaloid that has the ability and is used to contract blood
vessels and smooth muscle tissue. Ergotamine (C33H35O5N5) is
used to treat migraine headaches and if you eat the fungi on rye
you can get(-ergo-) ergotism.
Why is this important to you? I don't know! To me it may mean a rye
way to stop vascular permeability in the MVEC's and less P someday.
I guess i'm still on purpose, even though it may mean a bad
triP or two. Figuratively speaking of course! I can back away
gracefully
too.
Darn, why is it the profilers who stumble into these things?
That was also a clue to my use of that word. Does SC get it? nOPe!
You'd need to have been around during the good article thread.
Long story so don't bother, please!
Yet its easier to plug in the "Marsh Chapel Study" at Harvard
in the 1960's, where 60% of the freshman given pscilocybin
had a spiritual/mystical experience. Time and Place you guess?
This was in the first link in my last post to you, this thread.
How about pysche (+cupid) and pyschedelia down thru the eons?
I suppose your soul had a few of those arrows. You must know
the guy who wrote that song, Me and my arrow?
OK, bad joke and beneath my dry witlessness, i know.
Back to ePiphanous eleusinian secret religious rites, celebrated in
honor of Demeter and Persephone, and there is a hitch. Ones soul can't
get
in if it doesn't choose the right path in the Y, the one, by the whey
that leads to the sheer Joy of being (elysium). Not at the effect of
the cosmos but _seeing_ the creativeness as it unfolds in
Gods eye and mind in your own. Sorta shatters the ego doesn't it?
On the other hand if you choose the left wing in the Y, you
end uP in Tartarus. Lets not go there, P is bad enough for
you and me, for the time being anyway.
Now, have you had enough psyche soap today or do you want the
"Straight with the Medicine" peyotal triP also?
Here i'll find a link or two,
http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/straight_with.html
One thing I learned about this Church we got here is that you got to
tell the truth. If you got the medicine in you, you got to do it or
you feel worse. The Medicine makes it that way. If you said some thing
bad against someone it's best to tell them and get it out. Then the
Medicine treats you right. I seen that work. My friend over there can
tell you. One time he didn't tell me something he had on his mind
about me. It made him sick all night at the meeting. He did, and felt
better right away. (page 40)
As to that funkydelic american thesaurus and fruit
thing of yours, it isn't in the Merriam-Webster Online thesaurus
or the Roget's College Thesaurus. Pretty fruity, huh?
Maybe even fruitery?
So, let me ask you this, what two fruits have their seeds
on the outside?
Do you need a hint? Ones easy and others hard. Try to
keeP it clean. How well do i know you already?
Hey, i almost forgot the miss teen thing. Don't you know how
to take a compliment? If Dtrom was my daughter i'd be very
haPPy that someone (you) gave her such good advice and it still
brings a tear to my eyes.
Actions do sPeak louder then words. You at the very least took
the time to give them words and they were good ones.
Does it even do any good that i try to answer your angst SC?
It would be easier if you did a 20 question thing.
I swear i'm on the right path of the Y, honest.
randall... what confusion can i de-cause next?
Steve Cassidy
ranh...@aol.com (Randall) wrote:
> i was
> lead to believe that your mentioning of LSD as a possible
> therapeutic agent for de-Stress-ery and a P curative
> possibility was very insightful. Was i wrong?
Oh, sorry, everyone has to work your contributions out, but everything has
to be explained to you? Live by the pen, die by the pen, buster.
As for LSD, let me be as obtuse - and yet as clear - as I can manage.
There are two kinds of cure in this world: a better wheelchair, and a
complete rebuild. So far, all we have from any source is a better
wheelchair.
Complete rebuilds come with some risks - for instance, when my aged mum
went in for a new hip, she did not expect the ortho's indifference to
anaesthesia to give her a series of strokes. LSD falls into this category:
if you take it, the question you are asking is no less than "Would I like
a completely different person to exist later, with some acid flashbacks,
who also happens not to have Psoriasis?"
Randall
> In article <df7e2c67.03053...@posting.google.com>,
> ranh...@aol.com (Randall) wrote:
>
> > i was
> > lead to believe that your mentioning of LSD as a possible
> > therapeutic agent for de-Stress-ery and a P curative
> > possibility was very insightful. Was i wrong?
>
> Oh, sorry, everyone has to work your contributions out, but everything has
> to be explained to you? Live by the pen, die by the pen, buster.
What? Who left you out in the rain? I'll try to fall on my _PEN_
when i make another mistake. Like talking to you comes to mind. lol
You really byte. hehe
Live by the pen, die by the pen. What a maroon!
Oh, i'll fall on my keyboard, instead. gy8andnl d ls
Hey, i'm still here. I'm alive! Praise the lord! :)
>
> As for LSD, let me be as obtuse - and yet as clear - as I can manage.
> There are two kinds of cure in this world: a better wheelchair, and a
> complete rebuild. So far, all we have from any source is a better
> wheelchair.
Is this some kind of mixed uP metaphor? Your lack of P clearity is
somehow related to not taking LSD?
Like you fruitery and the american thesaurus triP? What kind of a
back handed slap was that anyway?
Certainly lacking creditability i'd say.
>
> Complete rebuilds come with some risks - for instance, when my aged mum
> went in for a new hip, she did not expect the ortho's indifference to
> anaesthesia to give her a series of strokes.
This sounds like your broken foot story. Does this run in the family?
> LSD falls into this category:
> if you take it, the question you are asking is no less than "Would I like
> a completely different person to exist later, with some acid flashbacks,
> who also happens not to have Psoriasis?"
Number one, i suspect you were on LSD the last time you looked
uP fruit in that _american_ thesaurus. Maybe you took to high/low a dose.
Or was it some kind of slang thesaurus? I've checked a few more sources
to give you the benefit of the doubt. No luck so far.
Number two, using LSD to cure p or P stress is the most insane thing i've
ever heard of. Should we drop an email to Doctor Grossbart to see
what he uses for his psychosomatic skin cases? If psoriasis responded
to this type of therapy we'd all know by now. Ditto if LSD worked.
Should i write a book for you on how P is not psychosomatic?
Number three, if you think a completely different person would exist
after taking LSD then you've never triPPed on acid (LSD). Your "doors
of percePtions" are most likely still virginal. I'm sure your mum is
proud of you and i hope all else is well with her. If i'm right
please stay that way.
And oh BTW, the answer to that fruity question about which fruit
has seeds on the outside, the easy one is strawberry and the other
is the little known cashew apple. I just know someone out there
was stressing on that one and their p was requiring some acid. lol
And it is still permeability in the gut and other epithelial tissue
that, exposed to LPS and allergenic material that figures in
my P LSD nightmares. And i don't even have to take LSD to have them.
Since i've learned to block permeability naturally i'm doing fine.
Using some alkaloid that may slow permeability does seem like a
good idea and i thank you for that. But doesn't eating a fruit/veggie
diet with low meat to alkalize the system work as well and avoids
toxic reactions? Never mind SC i wouldn't want to go into another
confusion triP over this one. Lets agree that we don't _get_ each
other and leave it at that. OK, buster?
All other questions were not socratic.
Don't get me wrong that i don't like your other posts recently
as many of them have been very pleasant without the bad boy
image tossed in, of course.
randall... pass the hemPlock
Steve Cassidy
ranh...@aol.com (Randall) wrote:
> Number two, using LSD to cure p or P stress is the most insane thing
> i've
> ever heard of. Should we drop an email to Doctor Grossbart to see
> what he uses for his psychosomatic skin cases? If psoriasis responded
> to this type of therapy we'd all know by now. Ditto if LSD worked.
> Should i write a book for you on how P is not psychosomatic?
Leaving aside accusations of illegal drug use, gross parochialism, and
intense paranoia: I'm very shocked to find you so poorly researched, and
so closed of mind to any news not aligned with your personal
preconceptions. You are sure it's not psychosomatic - but then, you're
sure about a whole bunch of other stuff too, none of which you care to
explain in an open and clear fashion, so why should anyone help you, least
of all me, with a display of manners such as you have presented here?
Randall
Nope, sorry its you thats confused.