Can anyone make sense of this?
Pete
seemingly astounding effects for clearing psoriasis. But I'm rather
hoping someone can translate it into English for me. Thanks.
Orv Hetil. 2000 Apr 23;141(17):915-7.
[Role of bile acids and endotoxins in the pathogenesis and therapy of
psoriasis]
[Article in Hungarian]
Gyurcsovics K, Bertok L.
Petz Aladar Megyei Korhaz, Gyor.
The authors demonstrated significant curative effect of bile acids
(Suprachol; Acidum dehydrocholicum) in 551 psoriatic patients. The
clinical efficiancy was evaluated by means of PASI-score (Psoriasis Area
Severity Index). During this treatment (1-8 weeks) 434 patients (78.8
per cent) became asymptomatic. However, the traditional therapy resulted
in 62 patients (24.9 per cent) of 249 sick persons a recovery (p <
0.05). In acute form of psoriasis (184 patients) this curative effect of
bile acids was elevated (95.1 per cent). Two years later 319 patients
(57.9 per cent) of bile treated 551 people were asymptomatic in contrast
with 15 people (6.0 per cent) of 249 traditional treated patients (p <
0.05). In same time among the patients which were treated in acute form
of psoriasis 10 (7.2 per cent) of 139 controls and 147 (79.9 per cent)
of 184 bile-treated individuals were asymptomatic (p < 0.01). On the
basis of their clinical observations (digestive disorders, ultrasonical
confirmed gallbladder complaints, etc.) authors supposed that the
deficiency of bile acids and the consecutive endotoxin translocation
might play a role in the pathogenesis of psoriasis. In normal conditions
the bile acids as detergent (physico-chemical defense) can protect the
body against enteral endotoxins while split them to atoxic fragments and
so preventing consecutive cytokin liberation.
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randall
It means that the endotoxins (lps) and rogue amino acids that consPire
to
generate psoriasis can be digested via exogenous digestive supplements,
before they become systemic (get digested).
And clear you up some. I've used a ton of them in the past. But why not
eat
a vegetarian diet or simply block the LPS in the colon? My methods btw.
I love the way the Hungarians think in these instances. They just
haven't
made it to my level yet. <G>
Here is their 2000 study,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9989105
[Bile acids and endotoxins: physico-chemical defense of the body]
Bertok L.
Orszagos Kozegeszsegugyi Kozpont, Orszagos Frederic Joliot-Curie
Sugarbiologiai es Sugaregeszsegugyi Kutato Intezet, Budapest.
The toxic effects of endotoxin--the cell wall component of Gram
negative intestinal bacteria--under experimental conditions can be
induced only when they are administered parenterally. However, in
naturally occurring enteroendotoxemic diseases (e.g. septic and various
shocks, etc.), the endotoxin absorbs from the intestinal tract. The
cause and mode of translocation was unknown.
<sniP>
The authors (Gyurcsovics K, Bertok L.) 2003 study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14643904
Pathophysiology of psoriasis: coping endotoxins with bile acid therapy.
Gyurcsovics K, Bertok L.
"Petz Aladar" County Hospital, Gyor, Szent Imre u. 41, H-9024, Hungary
The authors have tested the hypothesis that the deficiency of bile
acids and the consequent endotoxin translocation might play a role in
the pathogenesis of psoriasis. Under normal conditions the bile acids
act as detergents (physico-chemical defense) and can protect the body
against enteric endotoxins by splitting them into nontoxic fragments
and thus preventing the consequent release of cytokines [Persp. Biol.
Med. 21 (1977) 70]. A total of 800 psoriasis patients participated in
the study and 551 were treated with oral bile acid (dehydrocholic acid)
supplementation for 1-8 weeks. The efficacy of the treatment was
evaluated clinically and also by means of the Psoriasis Area Severity
Index (PASI score). During this treatment, 434 patients (78.8%) became
asymptomatic. Of 249 psoriatics receiving the conventional therapy,
only 62 (24.9%) showed clinical recovery during the same period of time
(P<0.05). The curative effect of bile acid supplementation was more
pronounced in the acute form of psoriasis (95.1% of the patients became
asymptomatic). Two years later, 319 out of the 551 acute and chronic
psoriasis patients treated with bile acid (57.9%) were asymptomatic,
compared to only 15 out of the 249 patients (6.0%) receiving the
conventional treatment (P<0.05). At the end of the 2-year follow-up,
only 10 out of 139 acute psoriasis patients (7.2%) receiving the
conventional therapy and 147 out of 184 bile acid treated patients
(79.9%) were asymptomatic (P<0.01).To conclude, the results obtained
suggest that psoriasis can be treated with success by oral bile acid
supplementation presumably affecting the microflora and endotoxins
released and their uptake in the gut.
PMID: 14643904
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And the 2000 study you cited,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10827473
Bertok's 2004 study,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15561510
randall....
JXStern
>Here's the abstract from a Hungarian study I came across with some
>seemingly astounding effects for clearing psoriasis. But I'm rather
>hoping someone can translate it into English for me. Thanks.
If you have your gall bladder removed (as happens to people, including
a relative of mine), from that point on you have to swallow some acid
with your food to get it digested. I gather that's what they do here,
except with people who still have all their organs, but also have
psoriasis. I am violently skeptical about the reported results, you
can get practically the same effect by eating chips and salsa or spicy
Chinese food or whatnot, and this surely would have been noticed by
people over the past ten thousand years or so.
J.
msai...@hotmail.com
I am violently skeptical about the reported results, you
> can get practically the same effect by eating chips and salsa or spicy
> Chinese food or whatnot, and this surely would have been noticed by
> people over the past ten thousand years or so.
>
> J.
I am going to Hungary for my annual family visit in a few months. I
spoke with my best friend who is a doctor over there. It has now been
arranged with one of the authors of this study that they will see me
while I am there and I will start treatment. My friend said that
medical research is highly regulated, in his 25+ years in practice, he
cannot recall any instances of published studies with questionable
integrity. Apparently, the drug in question is a known over-the-counter
medication, costs approximately the equvivalent of US$4 for 20
pills.I'll be in the position to ask questions from the researchers
through e-mail even before I leave.If any of you wishes to ask specific
questions, please let me know.I will report my results.
M.
JXStern
>I am going to Hungary for my annual family visit in a few months. I
>spoke with my best friend who is a doctor over there. It has now been
>arranged with one of the authors of this study that they will see me
>while I am there and I will start treatment. My friend said that
>medical research is highly regulated, in his 25+ years in practice, he
>cannot recall any instances of published studies with questionable
>integrity. Apparently, the drug in question is a known over-the-counter
>medication, costs approximately the equvivalent of US$4 for 20
>pills.I'll be in the position to ask questions from the researchers
>through e-mail even before I leave.If any of you wishes to ask specific
>questions, please let me know.I will report my results.
>M.
I look forward to your report, and hope it works for you!
J.
Pete
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telephone this morning. I've had a very pleasant reception. I was told
that the manufacturer of Suprachol, the drug used in the experiment,
quietly and without explanation, withdrew the drug from the market.
Apparently, they also make expensive lotions and ointments for
"treating" psoriasis. . How is that for a conspiration theory? Now the
researchers have to supply their patients with private pharmacy
preparations. They make it available to them at a negligible cost.
However, I was reassured again, that I will be treated if I go over
there.
Michael.
Pete
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randall
Pete wrote:
> Hmm. What does this all mean?
>
Dear HP,
Try,
Google the group for one or two threads regarding this.
If it is porcine digestive factors, i would assume you could buy it
on the web. Or possibly direct from Hungary once they resume sales?
randall
Pete
So, if I'm reading this correctly, increasing bile acids - Suprachol and
Acidum dehydrocholicum - may be helpful, even curative. Ok, where might
these be obtained or what foods might one consume to increase bile acids
generally?
You mention porcine digestive factors. I have just started taking
digestive enzymes that include porcine. Is that part of the answer?
Thanks.
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randall
Pete wrote:
> Thanks Randall,
>
> So, if I'm reading this correctly, increasing bile acids - Suprachol and
> Acidum dehydrocholicum - may be helpful, even curative.
We read it the same then.
> Ok, where might
> these be obtained or what foods might one consume to increase bile acids
> generally?
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bile+digestive+aids&btnG=Search
> You mention porcine digestive factors. I have just started taking
> digestive enzymes that include porcine. Is that part of the answer?
>
Ox or porcine bile would seem to be the same to me. If there
is something there that digests LPS more effectively for porcine
bile, it would be significant.
> Thanks.
>
No problem. Now you have me wondering. Lps does alter gut
motility and I have generally shied away from pork.
Oh well nevermind. Let us know how you do. Try both! NOt at the
same time of course.
msai...@hotmail.com
I have received some preliminary instructions from the doctors in
Hungary. I have decided that I'll try to start treatment ASAP. I hope I
can arrange a trip in the next few weeks. I was told to get a blood
work dome for Folic Acid and B12 levels. I was also directed to
http://www.freeweb.hu/psoriasis/ to read about their theory in general,
and to look at the recommended diatery restrictions in particular. The
original, Hungarian version is a little more detailed than the English
translation, and it warns specifically about the dangers of stimulating
(increasing) bile secretion without first reducing the level of
existing toxicity, because it may trigger a reaction contrary to the
desired result. Michael.
randall
Looks interesting. Are you sure this doctor didn't read my posts and
toss this
thing to-gether? lol
Hope it works for you. And please keep us posted on results. What are
your demographics now? Severity %, age/onset, strep, family involvement
etc.
randall
msai...@hotmail.com
I am 50 years of age. I was diagnosed at 28, when I've only had a tiny
dry patch on my scalp and a little speck of something, that looked to
me like fungus, on my right index finger. I can't recall strep
involvement at the time. Incidentally, the doctor asked me the same
question yesterday, along with if I recalled having any infected teeth,
or being physically disgusted with something at the time. The symptoms
skipped a generation in my case. Neither my Dad, nor any of his 5
siblings had psoriasis, but 3 of my female cousins on that side have
it, although, in a much milder form, as I understand. I am on a low
carb regimen for the past 2 1/2 years, but moderating meat consumption
as much as I can. I am a pack-a-day smoker and I do not drink alcohol
at all. My diet change did not seem to effect my disease. My coverage
today is a good 40-45%. Legs, thighs, lower back, some torso, arms up
to elbows, scalp, all fingers and toes. Steadily progressed, never had
a remission. That will change soon if you and those crafty Hungarians
are right. Michael
Pete
Thanks BTW for that link, I am having a look now.
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Pete
Now this is all very interesting to me. Thanks very much for the link
Michael.
What's with the folic acid and B12 levels? I've been supplementing those
two compounds with B6 for quite a while to lower homocysteine (not that
my levels are high). Is the suggestion that levels might be too high,
too low, indicative of something good, or something bad in those with P?
I have been taking 50 mg /d B6, 500 mg/d B12, and 5 mg/d folic acid, and
would run away with pleasure at taking them if they may be making my P
worse.
The macromedia presentation is simple but excellently demonstrates their
theory graphically. I've have remained ignorant of what exacerbates my P
but since joining this group and doing some independent reading I just
discovered I should not eat spicy curries. Yesterday I made a Thai fish
red curry and threw in a 1.5 tablespoons of turmeric for good measure.
It was so scrumdiddleyumshous that I ate it for breakfast, lunch, and
dinner (I am low-carbing also). My skin really flared up last night and
I put it down to the turmeric for some reason. But in watching the flash
presentation is dawned on me that more likely it was the hot spices
namely the nightshade chilli. It sits well with black pepper being a
trigger for others also.
randall
msai...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi Randall,
> I am 50 years of age. I was diagnosed at 28, when I've only had a tiny
> dry patch on my scalp and a little speck of something, that looked to
> me like fungus, on my right index finger.
Did that patch out?
> I can't recall strep
> involvement at the time. Incidentally, the doctor asked me the same
> question yesterday, along with if I recalled having any infected teeth,
> or being physically disgusted with something at the time.
I guess we all look for the trigger to satisfy ourselves some how.
Like curiousity really killed the psoriatic. Or his P at the
least.
We only wish. <sigh>
What about antibiotics before onset? Any of those?
Sounds like the P tide moved in and rose slowly in your case.
> The symptoms
> skipped a generation in my case. Neither my Dad, nor any of his 5
> siblings had psoriasis, but 3 of my female cousins on that side have
> it, although, in a much milder form, as I understand. I am on a low
> carb regimen for the past 2 1/2 years, but moderating meat consumption
> as much as I can. I am a pack-a-day smoker and I do not drink alcohol
> at all. My diet change did not seem to effect my disease. My coverage
> today is a good 40-45%. Legs, thighs, lower back, some torso, arms up
> to elbows, scalp, all fingers and toes. Steadily progressed, never had
> a remission. That will change soon if you and those crafty Hungarians
> are right. Michael
You would seem to be the perfect test bed for what they offer.
If LPS is the P pest that Bertok thinks it is, your his man.
BTW, thanks again for the link. It was freaky to say the least.
The page with LPS (does not equal) psoriasis something and then
it goes on to say it's the culprit was a hoot. I even went back
and looked at the hungarian pages.
I'm getting sorta excited. Can I go too? <g>
At the very least, maybe i'll pop some pig bile caPs.
That opens a realm of possibilities for what gets digested.
Er, served for suPPer, i mean.
randall can we say baby backs! Or hungarian goulash perhaPs?
randall
Your the other perfect test bed as well, being a low carb-er and having
P. Go get some ox or porcine digestive aids and let us know.
There's no reason you can't find some in your own backyard.
Lets see. Oh, i see where your at. Duh!
Try a few from this list,
http://www.nspaust.com.au/states/tas1az.html
One of them is sure to have something.
randall....
Pete
Randall,
General health food stores would not sell this kinda stuff, anyway its
much cheaper on the net.
I have located a couple of local products that might fit the bill. What
do you reckon about these two?
1. Top item here: http://www.ethicalnutrients.com.au/content/?id=16
2.
http://www.thexton.com.au/product/Essential__Enzymes__120__Caps/category_id/-1
There is no shortage of products that claim to 'stimulate bile acids,'
from dandelion through to various 'digestive bitters.' It would be
decidedly convenient for some entrepreneur to crystallise the essential
components from all of these into a megabile tablet.
Pete
Pete
I stumbled on a little snippet of information that furthered my
understanding of what solutions there may be for this Bile acid and
endotoxin problem. In particular the utility of adding hydrochloric acid
(betaine HCl) and porcine pepsin to the diet.
The reference that got me started is here:
http://www.newtreatments.org/doc.php/WisdomExperience/182
An article that addresses the clinical implications of HCl
supplementation is here:
http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/hcl.html
There is a table in this article that summarises investigations of
stomach acidity in 400 patients with skin disorders and suspected B
vitamin deficiency. This research was done in 1945! The most compelling
data in this table is that provided for patients with psoriasis. 56% of
cases showed achlorhydria, 33% showed hypochlorhydria, and only 11%
showed normal levels of HCl.
The shortcut to the table is here:
http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/hcl-tab4.jpg
The other line of enquiry suggested in the initial article is the
relevance of a low-carb diet, more specifically in this instance a
selective carbohydrate diet, which appears helpful for patients with
Crohn’s Disease and Ulcerative Colitis. Apparently problems have been
found in metabolising Disaccharides and polysaccharides:
http://www.newtreatments.org/scdiet.php.
I am following a low-carb diet that actually seems more restrictive than
the SCD, but I am considerably more impressed by what I am learning
about ways to correct the Bile acid and endotoxin problem.
randall
Pete wrote:
And proposed the use of these DA's, in posts 19 and 20 of this thread,
as a way
to digest the high protein diet he's on and stop the LPS from gaining
systemic entrance,
http://www.ethicalnutrients.com.au/content/?id=16
http://www.thexton.com.au/product/Essential__Enzymes__120__Caps/category_id/-1
http://www.thexton.com.au/product.php?product_id=1433
> Ok, I think I am getting somewhere with all of this.
>
I'll say! When you do your homework. Your cookin!
>
>
> I stumbled on a little snippet of information that furthered my
> understanding of what solutions there may be for this Bile acid and
> endotoxin problem. In particular the utility of adding hydrochloric acid
> (betaine HCl) and porcine pepsin to the diet.
>
>
Gosh! And you didn't even have to go to Budapest, Hungary
47 30 N 19 5 E
>
> The reference that got me started is here:
> http://www.newtreatments.org/doc.php/WisdomExperience/182
>
>
>
> An article that addresses the clinical implications of HCl
> supplementation is here:
> http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/hcl.html
>
>
>
> There is a table in this article that summarises investigations of
> stomach acidity in 400 patients with skin disorders and suspected B
> vitamin deficiency. This research was done in 1945! The most compelling
> data in this table is that provided for patients with psoriasis. 56% of
> cases showed achlorhydria, 33% showed hypochlorhydria, and only 11%
> showed normal levels of HCl.
>
>
So who prevented this secret from getting out? lol
One of your links actually takes you to Steve's (evetsm) 2000 post
on HCL, made in this grouP!
To bad no one glommed on to his speculations then. Or did they?
Of course I know how he feels. lol
>
> The shortcut to the table is here:
> http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/hcl-tab4.jpg
>
>
>
> The other line of enquiry suggested in the initial article is the
> relevance of a low-carb diet, more specifically in this instance a
> selective carbohydrate diet, which appears helpful for patients with
> Crohn's Disease and Ulcerative Colitis. Apparently problems have been
> found in metabolising Disaccharides and polysaccharides:
> http://www.newtreatments.org/scdiet.php.
>
>
>
> I am following a low-carb diet that actually seems more restrictive than
> the SCD, but I am considerably more impressed by what I am learning
> about ways to correct the Bile acid and endotoxin problem.
>
>
> --
> All the best,
> Pete
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Thanks Pete. While much of this makes sense, i'm awaiting your
personal trials. If we could pack you up with Michael and send
you to Dr. Bertok the controls on this test/quest may be better.
But for practicality i'll take you at your word.
When do you start?
And have you removed all lectins besides the obvious?
Good luck,
randall... been there, done that... still like to eat & P<4%!
msai...@hotmail.com
Sure you can come. Budapest is a breathtakingly beautiful city and for
half the price what Enbrel would cost me here in California, we could
travel back and forth. If I throw in what I spend on moisturizers,
lotions, dry cleaners,ruined garments, etc., we can live like kings for
a week. LOL.
Do you want me to translate the Hungarian pages? I am fluent in both
languages, and I found that the Hungarian original is a little more
detailed, on the dietary instructions. Also, in Hungarian, there
appears to be a lot more emphasis on the first 24 days of the treatment
what they label "focalization," during which they prescribe some
antibiotics/antimyotics of the type that is secreted out of the body,
together with the bile, to rid the body of existing inflammations and
toxicity. This seems to be really important. My understanding is that
only following this treatment will they increase gall bladder activity
by introducing the bile acid supplement.
BTW, I am certain that back then, when I was diagnosed with P, I did
not take any antibiotics. I was a professional athlete at the time, in
robust good health, and under constant medical attention by a team of
highly competent sports medicine specialists.
Michael.
msai...@hotmail.com
thread. Pete, you can come to Budapest too, of course. The three of us
can have a ball. lol
Pete, please read what I wrote above about the 24 day
antibiotics/antimyotics treatment, before you start adding bile acid
supplements.
Michael.
randall
Hey! That was no accident! Now that I went back and saw it,
it was to me. I want to go.
And since it uses antibiotics first, cruiser may join up.
Thanks for thinking of us. But we will rely on your experiences.
Take good notes so we will know exactly what you've done.
What sPort? Soccer?
randall
Pete
Michael, I'd be interested in the translation if you find the time. I
will respond further below.
Pete
> Thanks Pete. While much of this makes sense, i'm awaiting your
> personal trials. If we could pack you up with Michael and send
> you to Dr. Bertok the controls on this test/quest may be better.
>
> But for practicality i'll take you at your word.
>
> When do you start?
I have just ordered the HCl supplements. They should arrive in a few
days. Before beginning, I'd like to see Michaels translation of the
Hungarian webpage for a little further info. I am proposing to do a
lengthy colon-cleanse before I embark on supplantation of HCl. Those
products are a day or so away.
> And have you removed all lectins besides the obvious?
"Lectins are carbohydrate binding proteins present in most plants,
especially seeds and tubers like cereals, potatoes, and beans." Thanks
for reminding me about these. I am not consuming too many if any of
these but for different reasons being on a low-carb diet. I did read
about them early on and resolved to give up beans (the remaining lectins
in my diet).
> randall... been there, done that... still like to eat & P<4%!
So, what were your results...what was post helpful in your case?
Pete
Thanks. The translation would be good. I'm wondering whether a full and
lengthy colon cleanse might 'suffice' in addition to probiotic
supplementation. There's all sorts of claims made about these products
of course, but I thought I would give it a go anyway
msai...@hotmail.com
in English, is that prior to the treatment, they test for several
different things, such as:
1. the presence of any bacterial, fungal and viral infections in the
throat, thyroid, teeth, stomach, gall bladder, urinary tract, colon,
prostate;
2. gastric acid levels, (80% of patients are deficient, 5% overactive);
3. for presence of neutral lipids in fully digested stomach content
(typical in P sufferers);
4. sometimes, following byopsi, gall bladder cultures are prepared;
5. duodenum and colons are tested for parazites (amobae and worms);
6. patients are tested for predisposition to diabetes;
7. ultrasonic gall bladder function test for determining secretion
levels
once the results are in they start the actual treatment with bile acid
supplements and dietary restrictions. The diet is geared toward
minimizing food that increases the permeability of the gut. Generally,
all food that causes bloating, gas and gastritis, must be avoided. Hot
and spicy food such as ground black pepper, hot chili peppers,
horseradish, raw onions, raw garlic, marjoram, cinnamon are
contraindicated. Milk in most patients causes bloating and/or diarrhea,
therefore must be avoided, However, dairy product such as cheese or
butter are o.k., yogurt and kefir are recommended for beneficial
bacteria.Herbs and spices such as tarragon, basil, parsley, savory,
curcumin, ground caraway seed, mustard, coriander are helpful to
stimulate bile secretion. Use lots of lemon juice, substitute it for
vinegar in salad dressings too.
They also recommend that you start your day by drinking a glass of
water. Tepid water if you are prone to constipation.
That's about the long and short of it. The rest is discussed in English
as well as in the original.
I started to make arrangements today to go to Hungary around mid- or
late of September. I'll be happy to bring you guys back an 8 weeks'
supply of the drugs if you'd like. I am even willing to absorb the
charges in exchange for detailed accounts. (Of course, by now I know
that it costs less than $7 for the whole shabang. LOL)
Best regards,
Michael.
Pete
Thanks for the translation, Michael. It is interesting about the lemon
juice as I had definite clearing when I was drinking about 100 ml per
day. I was also on holidays in sunny Queensland at the time, and I put
it down to the latter. I only stopped drinking it because my carbs were
creeping up, but I may reinstate it during my trial.
> late of September. I'll be happy to bring you guys back an 8 weeks'
> supply of the drugs if you'd like. I am even willing to absorb the
> charges in exchange for detailed accounts. (Of course, by now I know
> that it costs less than $7 for the whole shabang. LOL)
> Best regards,
> Michael.
You are too generous. I'll happily pay and for all shipping to Oz.
Thanks a million.
msai...@hotmail.com
Further instructions will follow soon. Since I definitely won't be able
to travel earlier than September, my doctor friend picked up the
medication from Dr. Gyurcsovics today, and he will FedEx it to me. I'll
start taking it next week. Some practical diet tips and, if I
understand correctly, actual meal plan suggestions will be included in
the written material that he received from the doctor. She included
some additional supplement that will assist me in balancing my body Ph.
It is some powder that you mix in water. If you are too acidic, it
tastes sour, if you are balanced it is neutral, and if you don't have
enough acid it tastes sweet. It must be taken in conjunction with the
bile acid supplement and you adjust your dose accordingly.The standard
dose is 250 mg twice or 3 times a day with meals. The doctor emphasised
the importance of recording every single meal. She brought an example
that they had a stubborn case; this guy kept breaking out and finally
they found that the culprit was a certain liver pate, that he ate at
least once a week and it contained the spice marjoram. So it is also an
individual trial and error thing. Also, for you and I, it will be a
challange to keep the low carb thing going, because high fiber intake
is recommended. I wonder if we can get away with adding psyllium husk
as I have been doing. Any ideas?
Michael
randall
Pete wrote:
> randall wrote:
>
> > Thanks Pete. While much of this makes sense, i'm awaiting your
> > personal trials. If we could pack you up with Michael and send
> > you to Dr. Bertok the controls on this test/quest may be better.
> >
> > But for practicality i'll take you at your word.
> >
> > When do you start?
>
> I have just ordered the HCl supplements. They should arrive in a few
> days. Before beginning, I'd like to see Michaels translation of the
> Hungarian webpage for a little further info. I am proposing to do a
> lengthy colon-cleanse
Good idea. And once done, you'll need to re-implant some new flora
and feed it galactose to grow it out.
> before I embark on supplantation of HCl. Those
> products are a day or so away.
>
> > And have you removed all lectins besides the obvious?
>
> "Lectins are carbohydrate binding proteins present in most plants,
> especially seeds and tubers like cereals, potatoes, and beans." Thanks
> for reminding me about these. I am not consuming too many if any of
> these but for different reasons being on a low-carb diet. I did read
> about them early on and resolved to give up beans (the remaining lectins
> in my diet).
>
> > randall... been there, done that... still like to eat & P<4%!
>
> So, what were your results...what was post helpful in your case?
>
With the wholewhey.com program, you do the same basic things. But
don't go back to a high protein diet. Your on a vegetarian regime
and you'll stay clear as long as you do.
Once you go back to meat/eggs and funky fats/lipids you slowly
loose ground. Your able to fight the P battle with using
sweet whey (galactose) everyday to support the good gut critters.
But with your porcine/ox bile tablets (HCL) as suPPort you may pull
it off. Could it be a stereo fat that gets taken out as well as LPS
in this program? I'd suspect the stereo fats are generated in the skin.
Yet your trial here is certainly a variation of the randall's whey
program, but if it can be done, it highlights definite psoriasis
pathways and
their significance.
Keep us posted as to + or - results.
My p news post today is leading me towards a fatty lipid skin post
beyond what was already hastilly posted. Ceramides slow wound healing
and we obiously don't have enough. But why? And what does
endotoxin (LPS) have to do with it? When you read Bertok you wonder
why the rest of the dermatological world missed the LPS boat.
I only hope to show a few connections via a few abstracts.
randall... yeah right! i want the whole taco already.
Pete
> Hi Pete,
>
> Further instructions will follow soon. Since I definitely won't be
> able to travel earlier than September, my doctor friend picked up the
> medication from Dr. Gyurcsovics today, and he will FedEx it to me.
> I'll start taking it next week. Some practical diet tips and, if I
> understand correctly, actual meal plan suggestions will be included in
> the written material that he received from the doctor. She included
> some additional supplement that will assist me in balancing my body
> Ph. It is some powder that you mix in water. If you are too acidic, it
> tastes sour, if you are balanced it is neutral, and if you don't have
> enough acid it tastes sweet. It must be taken in conjunction with the
> bile acid supplement and you adjust your dose accordingly.The standard
> dose is 250 mg twice or 3 times a day with meals. The doctor
> emphasised the importance of recording every single meal. She brought
> an example that they had a stubborn case; this guy kept breaking out
> and finally they found that the culprit was a certain liver pate,
> that he ate at least once a week and it contained the spice marjoram.
> So it is also an individual trial and error thing. Also, for you and
Very interesting indeed.
> I, it will be a challange to keep the low carb thing going, because
> high fiber intake is recommended. I wonder if we can get away with
> adding psyllium husk as I have been doing. Any ideas?
> Michael
I don't see why not. This is negligible effects on insulin levels. I've
never found low-carbing a problem in that respect - even small amounts
of fibre get me by.
I'm assuming this is about obtaining colon mobility (only) and it would
seem that psyllium husk should suffice.
Pete
At this juncture I need all the tips, ideas, and suggestions, and a
smattering of support. I think I'm in the right news group for this.
randall wrote:
> Good idea. And once done, you'll need to re-implant some new flora
> and feed it galactose to grow it out.
I don't get this. I do plan to use some heavy duty probiotics, but
what's the logic of using galactose? I have read that monosaccharides
are ok for the Specific Carbohydrate Diet because they are fully and
quickly absorbed in the small intestine. Is this not however going to
elicit an (anti-low-carb) insulin response? Moreover, I was thinking
that the flora needs to be 'nourished' in the colon not the small
intestine. Perhaps you can shed some light on this?
The other thing is that I have never heard or read of the importance of
nourishing probiotic growth. Perhaps this is because most contemporary
diets are thought to contain sufficient sugars - just not low-carb. And
I'm still left with the confusion of galactose apparently being absorbed
quickly in the small intestine and not making its way to the colon where
presumably the probiotics would need it.
Please set me right!
> But with your porcine/ox bile tablets (HCL) as suPPort you may pull
> it off. Could it be a stereo fat that gets taken out as well as LPS
> in this program? I'd suspect the stereo fats are generated in the
> skin.
Sounds intriguing, but what is a stereo fat?
> Keep us posted as to + or - results.
Will do. I plan to keep an electronic diary of the process. Hopefully
lots of + and little -'s.
randall
Pete wrote:
> Randall, you are continually providing me food for thought, so to speak.
> At this juncture I need all the tips, ideas, and suggestions, and a
> smattering of support. I think I'm in the right news group for this.
>
> randall wrote:
>
> > Good idea. And once done, you'll need to re-implant some new flora
> > and feed it galactose to grow it out.
>
>
> I don't get this. I do plan to use some heavy duty probiotics, but
> what's the logic of using galactose?
Once you implant seeds it's best that they get what they need to hook
in and then thrive.
If your eating meat or drinking alcohol they can't survive long enough
to make a difference.
If your gut is tilted to far to the bad bugs, you have to stop
feeding them and concentrate on what new stuff you put in.
Its no easier to do this then simply clear your P. Both being the
same grail, take the same work.
Think of an infants body. Without teeth they can't screw up the process
unless you feed them putrefactive foods to soon.
Then their colon changes and if they haven't established a good colony
of
flora, they may never.
If you want a *born again colon* you have to duPlicate the same process
the baby goes thru. You need to *breast feed* the colon, so to sPeak.
The good flora, unless enterically coated to go thru acid (stomach) and
alkaline (small intestines) won't make it to the colon and must be
rectally implanted in a prepared colon. After that it needs the sweet
whey to grow out. In three to four weeks you will understand what it
means
to have a killo of new flora in your colon.
read thewholewhey.com site.
> I have read that monosaccharides
> are ok for the Specific Carbohydrate Diet because they are fully and
> quickly absorbed in the small intestine. Is this not however going to
> elicit an (anti-low-carb) insulin response? Moreover, I was thinking
> that the flora needs to be 'nourished' in the colon not the small
> intestine. Perhaps you can shed some light on this?
>
Galactose doesn't digest quickly. Enough to get the job done goes right
on thru. Lactose digests
down to galactose and glucose.
You need to learn how to search the group on these things.
Go to www.deja.com and look how it's preset for the groups.
enter psoriasis and find our group using a few key words. Like your
name + P, will do it.
Then enter *galactose* in the search this group box. Then hit
the post most recent posts first,
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=galactose&start=0&scoring=d&
You can search anything or anybody and any combo of that. If it's in
the
groups you can find it quickly and easily using good key words.
Good luck.
> The other thing is that I have never heard or read of the importance of
> nourishing probiotic growth.
I'm one of the first to really figure out the importance of being
able to do it and to still cheat/eat and not wiPe out the good
flora.
> Perhaps this is because most contemporary
> diets are thought to contain sufficient sugars - just not low-carb. And
> I'm still left with the confusion of galactose apparently being absorbed
> quickly in the small intestine and not making its way to the colon where
> presumably the probiotics would need it.
>
> Please set me right!
>
Galactose doesn't digest as easily as glucose. It feeds the good gut
buddies.
I'll see if i can find a link,
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/smallgut/absorb_sugars.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4067776&dopt=Abstract
Understanding lactose problems,
http://www.wiley.com/legacy/college/boyer/0470003790/cutting_edge/lactose_intolerance/lactose_intolerance.htm
As the northern europeans have more P problems the prior link makes
sense DNA
wise. We are so white that some of us (the 2%) are whiter and flakier
then
the rest. lol
> > But with your porcine/ox bile tablets (HCL) as suPPort you may pull
> > it off. Could it be a stereo fat that gets taken out as well as LPS
> > in this program? I'd suspect the stereo fats are generated in the
> > skin.
>
> Sounds intriguing, but what is a stereo fat?
>
> > Keep us posted as to + or - results.
>
> Will do. I plan to keep an electronic diary of the process. Hopefully
> lots of + and little -'s.
>
> --
> All the best,
> Pete
>
Thanks
randall
msai...@hotmail.com
saving us from reaching a level of harmful or even lethal toxicity? If
so, what happens to patients' insides when their scaling is arrested
with conventional treatments, like steroids?
Michael
randall
msai...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Am I correct to assume that if Bertok is right, psoriasis is actually
> saving us from reaching a level of harmful or even lethal toxicity?
You'd think that P severity means sepsis in his model. And I think i
know what you mean.
I'll have to think it over.
It seems that we could hold sepsis at bay by taking on water weight.
So, are the actual P plaques compensatory for LPS? Ponder time.
> If
> so, what happens to patients' insides when their scaling is arrested
> with conventional treatments, like steroids?
It's on hold till the rebound damn is broke?
Same as with bilogicals but without the massive flare beyond the
previous
levels?
For the record, i'm not so sure there aren't intermediate (many) steps
between LPS and the plaques and as Bertok's page is so lacking in
scientific
proof whose to say he isn't on that same page. If we are slightly
septic
is the high level of TNF proof positive of that?
For all we know at this point the LPS may only prime the Th1 sideways
tilt
and completely non-allied forces are at work as to the plaques
themselves.
I would still surmise a gene will be discovered or imPlicated. Sooner
rather
then later would be my hoPe.
randall
> Michael
Michael
medications have not arrived yet. Menu is geared toward inducing bile
secretion. Before breakfast drink a glass of water. Eat eggs often. Egg
yolk is bile stimulant. drink hibiscus or hip(?) tea. Always toast your
bread. For lunch eat as usual, avoid hot spices, raw onions, raw
garlic, curry (curcumin, however, is recommended. Salads, cucumber,
beets are O.K. Substitute lemon juice for vinegar. She also recommends
the liberal, creative use of a certain sour cream, apparently available
in Hungary, literally translated: "12% living flora." Any ideas?
Bile capsule is taken with lunch. Dinner is a variation on breakfast
and lunch. Drink tea with lemon. Hard cheeses are O.K. too. One "knife
tip worth" of the Optacid powder ( apparently some antigas,
antibloating agent stirred in to some water with dinne. This also must
be taken throughout the day whenever you feel gas build up. She says
results will be seen frirst in the steep decline in scaling as the body
returns to the regular 24 day shedding cycle.
Pete
Thanks again Michael for the information.
This doesn't seem too much of a departure from my present diet. I think
I mentioned up the tree somewhere that I had a good degree of clearing
when I was drinking about 150 ml of lemon juice per day (made up with
water and a few Splenda tablets into a very palatable substitute for
just water alone). Apart from the bread, the dietary modification
suggested sound low-carb-ish, which suits me.
Before beginning with your advised approach and increasing lemon and
turmeric that I know work for me I am undergoing a colon-cleanse. My
tablets arrived this week and I've taken my first dose today. This will
last about 4 weeks. Next I will introduce probiotics and inulin for a
few weeks alone and then supplement their use with hydrochloric acid and
pepsin. At that stage I will fire with everything in my armoury -
digestive supplements, lemon juice, dandelion, turmeric, and anything
else I can think of, while still taking the probiotics. I have done some
further research and apart from turmeric being anti-inflammatory, I
think its success may be due to it being a powerful bile stimulant
itself. I plan to keep a good record of progress.
If you find out *anything* else, please keep us posted.
Good luck mate.
--
All the best,
Pete
------------------------------------------------
JXStern
wrote:
> Before breakfast drink a glass of water. Eat eggs often. Egg
>yolk is bile stimulant.
Ha! I've wondered what in eggs was helping me, and it seemed to be in
the yolk.
> drink hibiscus or hip(?) tea.
Rose hips?
> Always toast your bread.
Why?
J.
Michael
Yes. I just found out it was Rose hip tea. As to the bread - if you eat
bread - she just said to toast it. I low carb, so it does not concern
me much. She did not offer any explanations why to toast it though. Any
of you know about the "living flora" sour cream thing. Could it be the
same as Proflora? I can't figure it out. Hungarian is such an intricate
language, sometimes even I am puzzled, and its supposed to be my mother
tongue.Oh, well. The important thing is that the meds are going to
arrive soon, then we'll really see. I am very sceptical by nature, but
somehow I have a strange, unexplainable, very positive feeling about
this. Michael.
Pete
Me too.
I Googled and couldn't locate the product but I would say that "living
flora" means proflora. Sour cream is cultured normal cream. I am
assuming it is similar to the production of yoghurt from milk using
friendly bacteria.
--
All the best,
Pete
------------------------------------------------
Michael
treatment period, I've got 60 capsules (250 mg each) of Dehydrocholic
acid and this Optacid powder for balancing stomach acid. One capsule at
lunchtime and a small amount of the Optacid powder ("knife tip")each
night with dinner, stirred into appr. 1ml water, sipping it with the
food. Although the Hungarian website does not emphasise it, it appears
to be quite important. I tasted it tonight; for me it tastes sour,
which indicates that I am low on acid. (remember if it's sweet; too
much acid, if tasteless; acid level is fine, but you may still have
bile deficiency)I must take it every night, and everytime during the
day if I feel bloated or burp. Gas build-up increases permeability of
the colon wall, which must be avoided at all costs. The active
ingredients of the Optacid powder are as follows:
164 mg natrium hydrogensulphuricum sicc.
800 mg natrium dihydgrogenphosphoricum sicc.
300 mg natrium hydrogencarbonicum
716 mg acidum citricum
Pete, if you are doing the bile acid thing, you may want to consider
adding this also.Judging from the ingredients, probably it is
inexpensive to have it made by any local chemist.
I did an inventory on myself. I suppose, as of now,I have a 35-45%
coverage at places as stated somewhere above in this tree. I hope to
report rapid, steady improvement soon.
Michael
Pete
Thanks Michael.
Are you still travelling to Hungary? I did a search on OptAcid and came
up blank in this country. I found a few links in Hungary including this
one: http://www.meditop.hu/oldal_eng.swf . I just shot them off an email
regarding sales and postage to Australia. Their website is in English so
my hope is that they can read English as well. Pharmacists are pretty
cagey in this country and I doubt they would make anything for me
without a doctor's prescription. I note from the website that it is an
'over the counter' formula. Also, I think the ingredients you've given
are in Hungarian for searching for them only leads to Hungarian
websites?
Meanwhile, I'm in to day 10 of my cleansing routine. I'm not strictly
sticking to my low-carb regimen, but so far so well.
Michael
The list of ingredients is in Latin. For some strange reason, most
European doctors and pharmacists still insist on using a bastardized
version of Latin for communicating with each other on medical subjects.
Pretty archaic, huh? Actually, its kind of neat. I can translate it for
you if needed, but any competent chemist should be able to decipher
it. Don't spend money on ordering directly, or on shipping charges. It
should be simple, over-the-counter stuff in Australia, too. But if you
cannot get it made locally, I can ask someone to bring a dose for you
directly from Hungary. She'll arrive on the 29th of this month. I can
mail it to you from L.A., how is that?
Michael
Pete
Michael, that sounds pretty neat. Can I impose upon you to translate
from Latin. There must be something similar in this country, surely. If
I have no luck I will get back to you.
Michael
1. Sodium Disulfate - NaHSO4
2. Sodium Diphosphate - NaH2PO4
3. Sodium Dicarbonate - NaHCO3 - this is actually baking soda!!
4. Citric Acid - HO 2 CCH 2 C(OH)(CO 2 H)CH 2 CO 2
By the way, how soon do you intend to start? I was thinking that if you
need it before the 29th, right now I have 2 60g containers of Optacid,
so I could send you one of them and just ask my friend to replenish my
supply at the end of the month. Then at the end of September or early
October, when I go to Hungary, I can tank up on the stuff for both of
us.
Michael
Pete
Again thanks Michael. I am still researching and following up some
leads. I started the cleanse on Aug 08 and it takes about a month.
Following that I will do about 4 weeks of probiotic implantation
(Randall has convinced me to try from both ends). Then I'll be ready for
the bile stimulation phase. So, I won't need the OptAcid for 6 or 7
weeks or so. I'm very grateful that you can help me out here.
I'm using a freeware program called KeyNote to collate the massive
amount of research information I have collected so far. I'll give you an
overview of my plan as it stands at this point. I invite your comments:
1. Cleanse - underway using VitaKlenz herbal supplement - 4 weeks
2. Hydrotherapy treatment(s) - 1 week
3. Probiotic implantation - acid-tolerant Acidophilus Bifidus L.
acidophilus and B. animalis capsules and VitaKlenz Recharge probiotic
powder by mouth + rectal implantation of same. These will be taken with
the 'prebiotic' inulin (up to 15 g/day)- 4 weeks
4. Bile treatment - Betaine Hydrochloride and porcine pepsin digestive
formula comprising 1.3 g HCl and 260 mg pepsin 15 min before each meal
in addition to St Mary's Thistle, Dandelion, Turmeric, and artichoke
supplements all of which are bile stimulating and liver protecting. I
may also swallow the cocktail down with lemon juice.
5. One hopes probiotic supplementation and corrective bile production
will resolve the hyperpermeability problem, however, I may then
supplement with L-Glutamine, Quercetin and other flavonoids, fish oil,
etc.
I was not able to find bile products in Australia and it seems that are
banned from sale. I have found some interesting research on HCl
supplementation particularly in relation to P and it seems to hold
promise. I'm not sure whether we have problems with bile production or
bile release or both. I hope that HCl + my bile stimulants will do the
trick with the aid of a better prepared GI tract.
I've been doing so much reading lately that I'm just about fed up and
want to get into the active treatment phase NOW. The cleansing program
seems rewardless and is just taking up time.
Although I'm feeling optimistic, there are a few things that continue to
bother me. Most sources denounce red meat as positively evil, and other
meats not too far behind. The common belief is that one has to go
vegetarian or even vegan to improve one's health. You and I know that's
crap and that low-carbing is healthy but I wonder whether cutting back
on the protein and fat would take a load off the digestive system during
the active phases of treatment. What do you think?
Michael
Thank you, bj, for setting us strait. Sometimes this is just exactly
what I need.
Good, impassioned advice, firmly rooted in empirical observation, by a
leading authority in the field. What was I thinking. Really.
Although impressive already in its no nonsense, bare-bone approach,
perhaps, if you embellished your thesis a bit here and there, you could
submit it to the New England Journal of Medicine. Who knows, maybe a
Nobel is looming on the horizon for you. But hurry, old son. It would
be really ironic, if Prof. Bertok beat you to it.I know, I know. You
are at a disadvantage, him being already nominated and what not. My
money is on you, though.Attaboy, bj.
Pete
> You guys couldn't be more wrong and you don't have a clue what
> you're talking about.....colonics, toxins...hungary...rubbish and
> quackery...ask your selves why most of the world isn't effected by
> these toxins?.....jabberwockey!...
>
> it's a problem with the t cells and b cells in the thymus...
Just when I thought I had it all figured. Alas, back to the drawing
board. <sob>
BTW: Wherever he is, Lewis Carroll would be offended by your misuse of
his noun and your misspelling of it. You'd do well to remedy that, and
your tone, if your intent is to appear authoritative.
--
Pete
Michael
bj wrote:
> well, michael, when you've returned and you want to see your p in total
> remission, email me because, although i've had identical coverage for
> approx the same time..17 years,.. you have it and i don't....not a spot
Thank you, bj. I will most certainly take you up on your kind offer.
For now, I am taking the bile supplement, and I sure hope it will work
for me. We'll see.
I'll keep you guys informed of my experience.
Best regards.
Michael.
Michael
Pete:
Please IM me with your e-mail address. I have the Optacid powder for
you.
Michael
coop...@gmail.com
anso...@gmail.com
Did any of this work?
anso...@gmail.com
cajus...@gmail.com
stirlingstrauss
> Here's the abstract from a Hungarian study I came across with some
> seemingly astounding effects for clearing psoriasis. But I'm rather
> hoping someone can translate it into English for me. Thanks.
>
> Orv Hetil. 2000 Apr 23;141(17):915-7.
>
> [Role of bile acids and endotoxins in the pathogenesis and therapy of
> psoriasis]
>
> [Article in Hungarian]
>
> Gyurcsovics K, Bertok L.
>
> Petz Aladar Megyei Korhaz, Gyor.
>
> The authors demonstrated significant curative effect of bile acids
> (Suprachol; Acidum dehydrocholicum) in 551 psoriatic patients. The
> clinical efficiancy was evaluated by means of PASI-score (Psoriasis Area
> Severity Index). During this treatment (1-8 weeks) 434 patients (78.8
> per cent) became asymptomatic. However, the traditional therapy resulted
> in 62 patients (24.9 per cent) of 249 sick persons a recovery (p <
> 0.05). In acute form of psoriasis (184 patients) this curative effect of
> bile acids was elevated (95.1 per cent). Two years later 319 patients
> (57.9 per cent) of bile treated 551 people were asymptomatic in contrast
> with 15 people (6.0 per cent) of 249 traditional treated patients (p <
> 0.05). In same time among the patients which were treated in acute form
> of psoriasis 10 (7.2 per cent) of 139 controls and 147 (79.9 per cent)
> of 184 bile-treated individuals were asymptomatic (p < 0.01). On the
> basis of their clinical observations (digestive disorders, ultrasonical
> confirmed gallbladder complaints, etc.) authors supposed that the
> deficiency of bile acids and the consecutive endotoxin translocation
> might play a role in the pathogenesis of psoriasis. In normal conditions
> the bile acids as detergent (physico-chemical defense) can protect the
> body against enteral endotoxins while split them to atoxic fragments and
> so preventing consecutive cytokin liberation.
> --
> All the best,
> Pete
>
> ------------------------------------------------
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You cannot change your genes but you can change how they react
Your Psoriasis Itch and Rash will stop once you understand what causes Psoriasis and follow the simple guidelines. Most processed foods, soft drinks, etc. can affect you. You have to learn to avoid the foods that affect you - It's all about learning to eat healthily. The average time seems to be 12 weeks for clear skin, for some results are showing in the first week after starting to avoid those foods….
I had suffered with Psoriasis (60% of body) and Psoriatic Arthritis for many years but seeing medical practitioners and naturopaths had not helped so I set out to help myself.
Removing all gluten products from my diet was the first step I took. (l doubt if l will ever meet a sufferer of psoriasis who won’t prove to be gluten intolerant).
My health showed signs of improvement but I was still getting psoriasis and arthritis (itch, skin rash and joint swelling and pain).
The next step was to go on a diet that was natural, avoiding all processed foods.
I ate only meat, fish, vegetables, fruits and drank water. Only when I strictly adhered to this diet did my psoriasis clear up. It became quite obvious that processed foods were somehow responsible.
After my psoriasis had completely cleared for several weeks I introduced foods that were processed. Soft drinks and fruit juices were added first and after each challenge my psoriasis flared up again. After stopping the intake and going back on the natural diet (meat, fish, vegetables, fruit and water) my psoriasis again cleared up.
The most common additives I found in the soft drinks were citric acid or food acid (330 food additive code) and ascorbic acid (300) vitamin C. Interestingly, my psoriasis first flared up when I was taking calcium ascorbate (vitamin C) as a vitamin supplement to aid my recovery from an accident (1986).
My next step was obvious, not wanting to be a guinea pig but needing to know the answer, I stuck to natural foods until my psoriasis had cleared again Psoriasis free, I tried adding some calcium ascorbate and was covered in psoriasis in a very short time.
After repeating the clearing program and then rechallenging myself with Calcium Ascorbate Vitamin C, Ascorbic Acid Vitamin C and Citric Acid (food acid) I began to understand what was happening. Over the next 5 years of researching and experimenting I realised that I had found another answer to my problems.
It became obvious whilst on my elimination diet that a glass of wine, soft drink, cereals, or the many other processed foods would cause my psoriasis to flare. The only thing l could find in common was that they all have the citric added such as food acid (330), citric acid (330), l ascorbic Acid (300), calcium ascorbate (e302), sodium l ascorbate (301).
All of these are premeditated with calcium.
It is also interesting to note l noticed whilst on diet was that fruit like oranges, strawberries, could start me itching again. (Especially after using 4 oranges or a punnet of strawberries in making fruit juice).
Moderation is the key and maybe this is why some fruit may have effect on your psoriasis.
Applying Gypsum to increase calcium levels of soils has been practised for many years. Methods to apply calcium and sulphate sulphur to the soil offering an instant response have been refined. Growers say that calcium is needed to strengthen cell walls, increase flowering resulting in resulting in better fruit set and higher yields and better shelf life.
Talking with friends and relatives I found that many people had psoriasis and the conventional medical treatments and drugs had not helped them. Consequently I began to suggest that they try to avoid the food additives and foods which affected my condition…
Psoriasis should be renamed Calcium Protease
a much better descriptive word than psoriasis (itch as is).
Calcium Protease is exactly what is happening. If l was to take a sample of your psoriasis and using what is called T.P.A. (Tissue plasminogen activator) revert it back to plasma it will show a very abnormal amount of calcium. This one method of diagnosing Psoriasis
…Those that followed my advice were very pleased. Over time it became obvious that I needed to make the process easier to follow. Realise that if you suffer from psoriasis your AUTOIMMUNE SYSTEM IS MALFUNCTIONING
In short, if you always eat what is fresh, in season and if possible ORGANIC, your Psoriasis symptoms should be greatly reduced, and hopefully disappear, as was the case with my research and others. (I do have hundreds of testimonials from my past group Psoriasis is Avoidable in MSN groups).
For the Safe foods list cryingyowie.com
Numski
Where's Randall? He used to make lots of sense of all this stuff for us and connected the dots.