>> > > You'd do better to email one of us directly...
>> > I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. >> > But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would >> > be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. >> > Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me >> > unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then >> > I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking >> > somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into >rationalizing >> > that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because it's >> > a really immoral thing to do.
>> You can approach me if you wish. >> My email address is real.
>I'm a guy, but a different view point may be helpful.
This is Robert Maas. I wouldn't start communicating with him, although as a guy you aren't of interest to him anyway. He has a history.
> > You'd do better to email one of us directly...
> I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. > But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would > be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. > Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me > unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then > I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking > somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into rationalizing > that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because it's > a really immoral thing to do.
Nonsense. What makes you think manipulation is immoral? It can be, but isn't always. Anytime you have a discussion with anyone where you are trying to prove your point of view you are attempting to manipulate them. Nothing wrong with that - the only time morality comes into play is when you try to manipulate someone into something that would hurt them.
Anyway, I learned most of what I know about women here, http://www.fastseduction.com. Read through the material and try it out - if you have any problems or questions there's a free private usenet server. Or feel free to email me. If it helps, you are the whole reason I started coming here. I was once shy myself, and am now extroverted. I started coming here to help shy guys. (I stay because I kinda like these people :)
The above URL does come with a caveat - the site is the collective knowledge of many players, seducers, and ladies men. Its goal is to get laid, as fast as possible. It may require a realignment of perceptions and knowledge of unpleasant truths. Also morality is offtopic there - they only discuss tools, not the ramifications of their application. That is for the reader to decide how to apply them.
Anyway, write me if you like. Hope you find something that helps you.
madd
(PS - if this is Maas, I've already told him to seek professional help. That opinion stands. I don't think it is him though - RM would be specifically asking for chicks.)
On 28 Apr 2002 17:14:48 GMT, kitzneg...@aol.com (sureshot.gamgee) wrote:
>Jet Nebula said:
>>>I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. >>>But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would >>>be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. >>>Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me >>>unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then >>>I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking >>>somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into rationalizing >>>that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because it's >>>a really immoral thing to do.
>>This has gotta be a joke.
>Why?
It's like a shy guy walking up to a woman he's really attracted to and saying, "I want to ask you out, but I can't because I'm too shy. Part of my shyness is that I can't ask women out, because I feel it's too manipulative. So I'm not going to ask you out, but you can volunteer to ask me out if you want!"
> >>>I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. > >>>But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would > >>>be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. > >>>Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me > >>>unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then > >>>I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking > >>>somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into rationalizing > >>>that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because it's > >>>a really immoral thing to do.
> >>This has gotta be a joke.
> >Why?
> It's like a shy guy walking up to a woman he's really attracted to and > saying, "I want to ask you out, but I can't because I'm too shy. Part > of my shyness is that I can't ask women out, because I feel it's too > manipulative. So I'm not going to ask you out, but you can volunteer > to ask me out if you want!"
Don't know about the other ladies, but, that'd work on me! Certainly would be a break from the tired lines I've heard so far, and he'd get points for creativity. :)
> >> > > You'd do better to email one of us directly...
> >> > I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. > >> > But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would > >> > be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. > >> > Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me > >> > unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then > >> > I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking > >> > somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into > >rationalizing > >> > that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because it's > >> > a really immoral thing to do.
> >> You can approach me if you wish. > >> My email address is real.
> >I'm a guy, but a different view point may be helpful.
> This is Robert Maas. I wouldn't start communicating with him, although > as a guy you aren't of interest to him anyway. He has a history.
As I'm new, I haven't heard of this guy. Who is he?
> Is this a good place to request help? > I'm too shy to ask anyone directly for help.
You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have upwards of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones at once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY CHANGE, so you can match them.
There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have upwards > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones at > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY CHANGE, so you > can match them.
> There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > >>>I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. > > >>>But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would > > >>>be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. > > >>>Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me > > >>>unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then > > >>>I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking > > >>>somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into > rationalizing > > >>>that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because it's > > >>>a really immoral thing to do.
> > >>This has gotta be a joke.
> > >Why?
> > It's like a shy guy walking up to a woman he's really attracted to and > > saying, "I want to ask you out, but I can't because I'm too shy. Part > > of my shyness is that I can't ask women out, because I feel it's too > > manipulative. So I'm not going to ask you out, but you can volunteer > > to ask me out if you want!"
More likely you would smile and say "Oooooh. That's so sweet." but think "What a weirdo. Where's my husband?".
Doesn't matter. A shy guy would never do that anyway. It's like asking an anvil to float.
> > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have upwards > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones at > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY CHANGE, so you > > can match them.
> > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> Cool. > Now tell us about men.
Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, thereby actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
"davros" <cd...@iinet.net.au> wrote in <3cccdba9$0$20191@echo- 01.iinet.net.au>:
><gra_...@webwombat.REMOVE.com.au> wrote in message >news:9duocucar4apd6r89h8h06viqk9iai9do0@4ax.com... >> This is Robert Maas. I wouldn't start communicating with him, although >> as a guy you aren't of interest to him anyway. He has a history.
>As I'm new, I haven't heard of this guy. >Who is he?
Try googling in google groups on his name - he has been around for quite some time. Probably best that you form your own opinion if you're interested enough to.
> > > >>>I can't. Most of you have bogus e-mail addresses to fool spammers. > > > >>>But I can't single out one of you to ask anyway, because that would > > > >>>be putting a burden on you. Somebody would have to volunteer. > > > >>>Part of my shyness is that I can't ask a specific person to help me > > > >>>unless it's that person's official duty to help me, and even then > > > >>>I feel uncomfortable asking that person. And now that I know asking > > > >>>somebody for help is a way of manipulating that person into > > rationalizing > > > >>>that they like me, I'm doubly shy to ask anyone for help, because > it's > > > >>>a really immoral thing to do.
> > > >>This has gotta be a joke.
> > > >Why?
> > > It's like a shy guy walking up to a woman he's really attracted to and > > > saying, "I want to ask you out, but I can't because I'm too shy. Part > > > of my shyness is that I can't ask women out, because I feel it's too > > > manipulative. So I'm not going to ask you out, but you can volunteer > > > to ask me out if you want!"
> More likely you would smile and say "Oooooh. That's so sweet." but think > "What a weirdo. Where's my husband?".
> Doesn't matter. A shy guy would never do that anyway. It's like asking an > anvil to float.
Were I single, and yes, I know it doesn't matter cause I'm not, but *were* I, I would probably turn around to see who the guy was talking to standing behind me. Then if it were indeed me he were talking to, I would get all clenched up and probably not be able to talk...but if he stuck around long enough for me to overcome it, I'd say...probably real quiet so I'd have to say it twice, "sure". Then I'd give him my number, go home, eat a half gallon of ice cream and have an anxiety attack.
I still remember saying disorientedly to my future husband after he got off the plane to come meet me, when he asked if we should go to the car now..."Car? What car?" I was too busy trying to get my eyes to focus again I was so nervous. And having seriously forgotten how I got there...I doubt I would have enough composure to think "What a weirdo".
I mean, with an anxiety disorder, who needs a rape drug, right?
> > > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have > upwards > > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones at > > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY CHANGE, so > you > > > can match them.
> > > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > Cool. > > Now tell us about men.
> Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, thereby > actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as > their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
Oh damn. I was all excited. Had my cookbook out and everything.
> > > > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > > > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have > > upwards > > > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones at > > > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY CHANGE, so > > you > > > > can match them.
> > > > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > > Cool. > > > Now tell us about men.
> > Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, thereby > > actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as > > their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
> Oh damn. > I was all excited. > Had my cookbook out and everything.
Read what I wrote again. I said even they fool themselves most of the time. Meaning even they think that they only want food and sex. So yes, the cookbook might work.
"Joel" wrote: > > > > > > Is this a good place to request help? > > > > > > I'm too shy to ask anyone directly for help.
> > > > > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > > > > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have > > > upwards > > > > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones > at > > > > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY > CHANGE, so > > > you > > > > > can match them.
> > > > > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > > > Cool. > > > > Now tell us about men.
> > > Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, > thereby > > > actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as > > > their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
> > Oh damn. > > I was all excited. > > Had my cookbook out and everything.
> Read what I wrote again. I said even they fool themselves most of the > time. Meaning even they think that they only want food and sex. So yes, > the cookbook might work.
So...if I want a quickie, I wave a hamburger in front of his nose. A night of slow hot love...a roast?
> "Joel" wrote: > > > > > > > Is this a good place to request help? > > > > > > > I'm too shy to ask anyone directly for help.
> > > > > > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > > > > > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have > > > > upwards > > > > > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones > > at > > > > > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY > > CHANGE, so > > > > you > > > > > > can match them.
> > > > > > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > > > > Cool. > > > > > Now tell us about men.
> > > > Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, > > thereby > > > > actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as > > > > their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
> > > Oh damn. > > > I was all excited. > > > Had my cookbook out and everything.
> > Read what I wrote again. I said even they fool themselves most of the > > time. Meaning even they think that they only want food and sex. So yes, > > the cookbook might work.
> So...if I want a quickie, I wave a hamburger in front of his nose. > A night of slow hot love...a roast?
Lisa <Lisaster...@blerg.com> wrote: > Were I single, and yes, I know it doesn't matter cause I'm not, but *were* > I, I would probably turn around to see who the guy was talking to standing > behind me.
Okay, but most girls nowadays would assume you meant them even if you *were* talking to the girl behind them.
> Then if it were indeed me he were talking to, I would get all clenched up > and probably not be able to talk...but if he stuck around long enough for me > to overcome it, I'd say...probably real quiet so I'd have to say it twice, > "sure". > Then I'd give him my number, go home, eat a half gallon of ice cream and > have an anxiety attack.
Yeah, but you aren't most girls. Most girls would go home, call their friends and laugh about the freak that hit on them.
> I still remember saying disorientedly to my future husband after he got off > the plane to come meet me, when he asked if we should go to the car > now..."Car? What car?" > I was too busy trying to get my eyes to focus again I was so nervous. And > having seriously forgotten how I got there...I doubt I would have enough > composure to think "What a weirdo".
Er, tell me again the story of how you two met?
> I mean, with an anxiety disorder, who needs a rape drug, right?
Er, why did you feel the need to bring that unpleasant thought into this otherwise fine conversation? Remember, I'm not Darkfalz. I prefer my threads rape free.
Lisa <Lisaster...@blerg.com> wrote: > Oh damn. > I was all excited. > Had my cookbook out and everything.
That's okay. I can cook. When you live your entire life without a girlfriend or wife that is willing to wait on you hand and foot like some men have, you learn to be self sufficient.
Now, if I could figure out some way to have sex without a woman, I'd be set.
> "Lisa" <Lisaster...@blerg.com> wrote in message > news:aaiva6$2ug$07$1@news.t-online.com... > > "Joel" wrote: > > > > > > > > Is this a good place to request help? > > > > > > > > I'm too shy to ask anyone directly for help.
> > > > > > > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > > > > > > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have > > > > > upwards > > > > > > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones > > > at > > > > > > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY > > > CHANGE, so > > > > > you > > > > > > > can match them.
> > > > > > > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > > > > > Cool. > > > > > > Now tell us about men.
> > > > > Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, > > > thereby > > > > > actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as > > > > > their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
> > > > Oh damn. > > > > I was all excited. > > > > Had my cookbook out and everything.
> > > Read what I wrote again. I said even they fool themselves most of the > > > time. Meaning even they think that they only want food and sex. So yes, > > > the cookbook might work.
> > So...if I want a quickie, I wave a hamburger in front of his nose. > > A night of slow hot love...a roast?
> "Joel" wrote: > > > > > > > Is this a good place to request help? > > > > > > > I'm too shy to ask anyone directly for help.
> > > > > > You want to know about women? Here, let me explain them.
> > > > > > Every last one is different. No stereotype holds. They can have > > > > upwards > > > > > > of 20 or 30 mood swings in a single day. Sometimes multiple ones > > at > > > > > > once. The trick is being able to read those moods AS THEY > > CHANGE, so > > > > you > > > > > > can match them.
> > > > > > There you go. Everything you ever needed to know about women.
> > > > > Cool. > > > > > Now tell us about men.
> > > > Men are just as complex, but pretend to want just food and sex, > > thereby > > > > actually making them harder to truly grasp, but easier to please, as > > > > their 'pretending' fools even themselves most of the time.
> > > Oh damn. > > > I was all excited. > > > Had my cookbook out and everything.
> > Read what I wrote again. I said even they fool themselves most of the > > time. Meaning even they think that they only want food and sex. So yes, > > the cookbook might work.
> So...if I want a quickie, I wave a hamburger in front of his nose. > A night of slow hot love...a roast?
> Okay, but most girls nowadays would assume you meant them even if you *were* > talking to the girl behind them.
I'll have to take your word on this. I've noticed something about men though...when calling to my son in a crowd...men will look up with interest but not respond until you speak to them specifically.
> > <snip> > Yeah, but you aren't most girls. Most girls would go home, call their > friends and laugh about the freak that hit on them.
Well, this is because I myself am also a freak.
> > <snip> > Er, tell me again the story of how you two met?
We met online. We chatted for a year without meeting or seeing each other. PC, phone. We decided to meet. He flew in. I drove to meet him. Unknown city, unknown airport. He was early and very ready to go by the time I arrived. I was all weirded out and nervous. He swooped down on me, grabbed and hugged me, asked for a kiss. All I could do was nod. Nothing but the muscles in my neck worked. I just stared at him. Him: "It's late, shouldn't we be going to the car?" Me: "Car? What car?" Him: "The car you came in. You do have a car?" Me: "Oh that. Yes." *walking* Him: "Where did you park?" Me: "Park? I don't know." Him: "Well, what does it look like? The car. I'll help you look for it." Me: "Look like?" Him: "What color is it?" Me: "I can't remember." He: "Hmm. Maybe when we get to it, I should drive."
> > <snip>
> Er, why did you feel the need to bring that unpleasant thought into this > otherwise fine conversation?
