I'm downloading one from Kazaa now. I've read some seduction books before, all
full of trash and impractical shitty tips. I bet those who've written them are
frustrated losers. I am hoping this one is different, better. I really need
some good advice, anything that keeps me going and gives me hope that I might
improve,that one day I will finally become successful. Being a loser is killing
me, it fucked up my life.

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Try http://www.doubleyourdating.com its a good start.Signed up for his free
E-Mail Newsletters.Also bought his E-Book.Some good stuff there too.And I
have applied some of his advice(Cocky & Funny) with success,like saying to a
very cute waitress "Yeah you could lose a few pounds off that ass" as she
was looking for compliments by saying she needed to work out,(She had a
great body)while walking by us in tight shorts and a half shirt,and a guy
sitting next to me said to her "Oh no your beautiful and hot",well she gave
me a little friendly punch and said "Hey" then gave me her attention the
rest of the time I was there,and none to guy who said she was hot,Go
figure.I was a little spooked at first at her reaction so I didn't try for
more like her number,but it was funny that IT DOES WORK,maybe not on
everyone but worth trying.

Also try here  http://www.fastseduction.com/ Lots of stuff here
also.Although more on the just to get laid and next'em.

There are good tips on both sites to help you out.But I like the Double Your
Dating site best,they have a free newsletter with guys writing in with
questions and such,and how to's.Fast seduction is more of just for sex,where
as I want more than that.

My own advice is not to put a woman on a pedestal like she is a goddess,or
think she is the only one ,there are plenty of woman out there.You don't
have to be a jerk-off about it,but don't be the "Your a Nice Guy"type.

Case in point me,About a year and half ago I got real close to a female
friend of mine to the point I fell for her,she had a 9 month old baby,and
was separated from a real jerk-off who was married twice before and didn't
care for her or their daughter.So I was for about 4 months always there for
her,when she called and asked me to come over cause she was scared or needed
help with the baby I was there.We went out to dinner and out for drinks many
times.She cooked for me and all.

Then I decided to tell her by writing a "love letter"you could say,Yeah real
romantic,well she turned me down.No problem,yeah I was disappointed and
all,even more so cause I got attached to the baby as well,but thought we'll
still be friends.Well Christmas came,I stopped over and had a small gift for
her and a stuffed animal for the baby,and she rushed me out of there and I
haven't talked to her since.I tried calling her, leaving messages and she
never returned my calls.Don't know what happened.I did hear she divorced the
guy,through one of her sisters,and have thought about calling her up and
seeing what's up.

The other case in point, I met up with a bar girl,4 months ago,had sex with
her 3 times,told her I didn't want a relationship (she is crazy)and that's
it no more.Guess what eve she sees me,she still try's to be with me and try
and get me to sleep with her.

Oh well,sorry if this post turned into a novel of my recent love life or
lack thereof.

NEON

On Tue, 27 May 2003 20:12:50 -0700, "Neon Noodle"

Hasn't these girls ever heard of birth control?  I mean it is one ting to fuck a
loser, but to get knocked up by one

I guess she couldn't handle being treated decently and went off to find some
mean ass fuck head with an IQ of 70.

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Please be advised:  I am a bot and u are a parte of my sociology experiment.

"Crotch Crikets Pnats" <ohtrollor...@trollometer.com> wrote in message
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Well she is only one of a few girls I know to get pregnant after they got
married.She just married an asshole.BTW when she told me she was getting
married to him almost 3 years ago,I told her she was nuts that he was a
loser and so did a few of her sisters,she got married in Jamaica (guy has
money)which I thought odd,cause she is Italian and most Italians around my
way have big expensive weddings with lots of family and friends,only her
mother went to the wedding in Jamaica.The reception was here and I was
invited but didn't go,and didn't talk to her for a year,she tried calling me
but I ignored her calls.Until a friend bumped into her and he gave her my
cell phone number,and she was crying that she missed me and needed me now
cause of her going thru a separation and the baby,and like a fool,I got back
into contact with her and that leads into my original post.

Maybe she fucked me over cause I stopped talking to her after she got
married a little revenge.But I had my reasons like the guy didn't like me,I
didn't like him cause he was/is an asshole and he probably wouldn't stand me
being a close friend hers.

I can't believe I am still kinda hung up on her,I bumped into 2 of her
younger sisters 2 months ago and they said I should give her a call and that
she is fully divorced from him.All her 4 sisters were always on my side,and
said that I was the best guy she ever had.I was friends with her and her
family since I was 15.

I am thinking of giving her a call,What do you think Pnats?Should I?
Just to see what's up,see if she is dating another loser,I will not fall
into her web again trust me.I think I am glad not to have not been in a
serious BF/GF relationship with her.I don't she is capable of a normal
one.Maybe I should try and date one of her younger sisters,lol that would be
cool.

Sorry to vent this on you Pnats,but it does feel good to get it out.Next
time you go out for a drink,its on me :)

P.S. I was told by a friends wife who claims to a psychic/palm reader,and
she said that I would marry this girl and have a one baby with her,that's
what she read from my palm/life line.I don't really believe in that stuff
but who knows.

NEON

Seems a good site, I'll try it out, thanks. You seem to be doing fine women-
wise likes.

That site is shit! It has all the wrong links and besides they want to rip you
off by asking money to give you seduction advice. I'm not paying any nickle to
any motherfucking crook online.

Well I am doing better than I was,but still having trouble.

Neon

Which one ,Double your dating or fastseduction?

Double your Dating does charge for his E-Book,I got it and will say it is
good.Sign up for his Email letters,its free.
Fast Seduction is free with links and such to other paid places,they also
have there own moderated NG thats free to join.But most of the infor is
free.They only ask for a donation,you don't have to give one.

Here is one of the newsletters I got from Double You dating site
recently........

.DATING TIP: What Annoys Women, AND What Attracts Them

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WHAT ANNOYS WOMEN, AND WHAT ATTRACTS THEM

   If you listen to women talk about men, you'll often hear
them use the word "ANNOYING" to describe certain men and
certain things that some men DO.

   Now, as you can probably guess, it's not usually a good
thing when a woman uses this particular word to describe a
guy...

   And, as you can ALSO probably guess, when a woman uses
this particular word, it's not usually about guys who she is
ATTRACTED to (although this isn't always true).

   Now, It's taken me a few years of paying attention to
really get a handle on what women are talking about when
they say "He's annoying" or "It's so annoying when he does
that".

   And guess what I realized was at the ROOT of women finding
a guy or his behavior annoying?

   IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS WUSSY BEHAVIOR!

   AHHHH!

THINGS THAT ANNOY WOMEN...

   Here are some of the things that many women consider to
be "annoying":

-Calling her too often

-Telling her that you have "feelings" for her too early

-Giving away your power to her and making her the boss

-Always asking a woman what she wants instead of leading

-Acting submissive and weak

-Accepting her demands, bossy-ness, and manipulative requests

-Being her doormat and putting your own needs aside

   "WHAT?" you say.

   "HOW COULD THIS BE?"... you might be thinking.

   How is it possible that demonstrating your affection for
a woman by calling her, telling her how you feel, letting her
make the decisions, and putting her first could be considered
ANNOYING, of all things?

   Well guess what?

   IT IS.

   Women, and ESPECIALLY the most ATTRACTIVE and desirable
women usually consider the above things to be VERY annoying.

   Of course, the reason for this is because no matter how
good these kinds of behaviors seem on the surface, there's
only one conclusion that can be drawn from them:

   THE MAN DOING THEM IS A BONAFIDE, 100% CERTIFIABLE
WUSSY!

   AND WOMEN AREN'T ATTRACTED TO WUSSIES.

   NEVER.

   Now, do I really, really, REALLY mean that women are
NEVER, EVER attracted to Wussies?

   I mean, isn't that an over-generalization?

   Nothing is always true, right?

   Well, this one IS.

   Actually, what I MEAN is...

   "As far as generalizations go, this particular one is
as close to being true all the time as they get."

   And just in case I haven't said this enough, let me say
it one more time... just to make sure it's clear:

   WOMEN AREN'T ATTRACTED TO WUSSIES.

   So, now you understand why all of the "nice" things that
you've done for women seem to always result in the woman
pulling away.

   It's because she finds your nice-guy "Wuss" behaviors
to be ANNOYING.

AND IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE...

   To further confuse things, you'll often hear a woman say
something to the effect of...

"I want a STRONG guy who is also SENSITIVE..."

...or...

"He needs to have his own life, his own interests, and his
own friends, but also totally focused on me..."

   I see things like this in women's personal ads all the
time. I'm sure you've seen things like this yourself.

   Women often talk about wanting a combination of things
in a man that just don't seem to fit...

   So what's going on here?

   Are women crazy? (Yes.)

   But seriously, what are they talking about?

   How is it that women seem to always talk about wanting
men who have these qualities that don't fit together?

   I know that I personally used to hear this stuff and
then say to myself "OK, well I've got the sensitive part
covered, so I guess I need to start acting a little bit
stronger".

   I thought that maybe this came down to getting my
lazy ass to the gym and working out. You know, to become
"stronger".

   No, I'm serious.

   Well, here's the BIG REALIZATION that I had...

   I've not realized that I had it all wrong.

   Instead of thinking to myself that I was a nice,
sensitive guy that needed to become a little stronger,
what I really needed was to become a strong guy who
could also act sensitive on occasion.

   The difference seems almost like word-play, but it's
not. Not at all.

   You see, when a woman says that she wants a "strong
guy who's also sensitive", that's what she MEANS.

   She wants a guy who's STRONG. The sensitive part is
far more "optional" than the STRONG part.

   This is why women often date jerks and guys who are
emotionally unavailable, and don't date us "nice guys"
who would do anything for them.

   Remember, ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE.

   Women do not sit down and make a list of the qualities
that a particular guy has, then think it over for a few
days, then DECIDE whether or not to FEEL ATTRACTION.

   NO WAY.

   It happens in an INSTANT, and it happens for all kinds
of "illogical" reasons... reasons that even the woman who
is feeling it can't usually describe.

   So what's the answer here?

   The answer here is to realize that many of the things
you do when you're around women that you feel attracted to
are considered ANNOYING by those women.

   You must understand that you sometimes have to do things
that SEEM to be "inconsiderate" in order to give a woman
what she REALLY wants (which is a man who is in control of
himself, the situation, and often her).

   Raise your right hand, and repeat after me...

"I will stop being a Wussy around women."

"I will stop being a Wussy around women."

"I will stop being a Wussy around women."

   Stop doing things that say "I'm a Wussy", because those
are the very things that women find ANNOYING.

   And START doing the things that you're learning here.

   Lean back. Act Cocky & Funny around women. Bust on them
and give them a hard time. And LEAD the way, don't follow.

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I just DL it,will look into it more.Its a PDF file BTW off Kaza lite.

Neon

On Wed, 28 May 2003 02:45:15 -0700, "Neon Noodle"

<snip>

Sorry to butt in here, but NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

Trust me on this one. I've had a relationship like this, and it does
not work.

Neon Noodle <NeonNoodle1SpamBuc...@Hotmail.com>wrote...

Fastseduction is bullshit. I've known that material for over five years and
it's crap, trust me. Written by hypocritical losers who take advantage of poor
shy and underconfident guys like us, to rip them off with bullshit books and
workshops and seminars and what have you about seduction, all the while getting
themselves filthy rich off us. Well not my money, so fuck them.
Sometimes I believe that looks are the most single important thing you need.
Those who have the looks don't really need to make any efforts (just like a
gorgous chick will make no efforts, all guys will flock around her).
However I know also that to a minor extent, personality traits play a role in
seduction, but I doubt this could be learned from a book. Personality traits
and character are acquired over a long time from life experiences,
starting early on during childhood. It's ridiculous of us to think that we'll
become casanovas just by reading a book or two.

amar...@grex.org (amarcus) wrote in
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Dude, have you actually browsed the website? There are TONS of useful free
articles on seduction there.

Absolutely false. There are plenty of above average-looking guys who get
zero female attention due to low self-esteem and lack of social skills. Ask
Semi-Detached.

Reading books alone will get you nowhere. You have to go out and try those
things.

--
"Whining" behaviour doesn't work - or it provides a sort of unhealthy,
secondary support which is rooted in pity rather than sincerity.
--Marc Meunier

Ceazer XII <brian...@hotmail.com>wrote...

I got and read the book. It's interesting. The title is a bit misleading
because although the book does give some hints, it more explains the research
done to understand the concept of attraction and love. I like this book here
because it doesn't claim to offer "secrets" to seduce a female, it's quite
objective.
On the other hand some are obstinate and want to go on being fooled by
fastseduction garbage. I don't really blame them for it's their only (useless
and futile) way to fight the heavy weight of loneliness and celibacy. But
humans go on fighting even though the outcome is certain defeat.

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I agree,nobody is going to become an instant casanova from reading some
books.I take tips from these things here and there and do my own thing,and
thats important to me,if I followed it word for word,I wouldn't be myself,I
want a woman to like/love me,not completely different person.I just want to
do some upgrades on my personality in that area.

Looks aren't everything,they help no doubt.Thats why you see average looking
or even under average guys with pretty girlfriends.SOme say its all about
your "Game" which I believe is true.

Most of the stuff on fast seduction is FREE,look into it more.

Neon

amar...@grex.org (amarcus) wrote in
news:bb6024$6a8nl$1@ID-152646.news.dfncis.de:

Don't blame ASF methods for *your* faults. They didn't work for *you*. Here
in A.S.S. at least five people have made progress following ASF-related
stuff: maddman, cb, Deuce, Neon and myself.

--
"Whining" behaviour doesn't work - or it provides a sort of unhealthy,
secondary support which is rooted in pity rather than sincerity.
--Marc Meunier