Something I've noticed about myself
ThePuttKing
then I go real quiet.
An example is at work. We usually only have 4 or 5 people on. I talk
probably more than anybody else. Yet when more staff are on (today we
had about 8 because it was xmas), I get in a really bad mood and I
don't feel like talking to anybody.
We sometimes have stocktakes were everybody is there. (20 plus) When
this happens I don't talk at all, don't feel confident or comfortable.
No idea why this happens. Probably explains why I hate social events
which usually involve large groups of people.
Anybody got any ideas why I act / feel like this ?
nSCOURGE
Yes.
Amidst your social superiors, you are cognizant(and perhaps sensetive)
to your lower rank.
phy
8abe-873...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
>
> No idea why this happens. Probably explains why I hate social events
> which usually involve large groups of people.
>
> Anybody got any ideas why I act / feel like this ?
I am, or at least was that way. I think it had to do feeling like I was
under a spotlight. Now that I understand it is all in my head, I deal with
it better. That public speaking class helped a lot. I still sometimes feel
uncomfortable in groups, especially when I get the feeling one or more
members of it are hostile toward me. It probably is remnants from some
earlier experience. I can mostly deal with it now. I know some people who
won't even go to WalMart because crowds make them nervous.
-phy
Nil
You feel like your out of place. That what it is!
Nil
Michaela Mackenzie
I've mentioned it several time before. Claire Danes, in 'My So Called
Life'
spoke of bumping into a crowd of her friends who didn't necessarily
connect
with one another. So she foudn it rather difficult to form the complex
personality
required to bring them all together. Like phy says, I'd suggest you do
some
kind of public speaking in order to get it behind you.
And I don't agree with what the other poster said: that you feel
inferior. I think
it's just that you are more comfy with a lower number of people. That
said,
even one new person could throw you off kilter... just depends on how
comfy
you are with that last person.
- Michaela
Lobsterboy
> Anybody got any ideas why I act / feel like this ?
More people around means more pressure; it´s harder to get noticed, it
´s more embarrasing if you make a mistake.
I´m OK most times on one-to-one interactions, but rarely fit in well
with groups. Eventually I find myself at the bottom of the social
hierarchy due to my shyness and obvious insecurity, yet I refuse to
act like it. It´s then when problems begin. The only way to avoid
trouble I´ve found effective so far is to put a good deal of distance
towards all or most members of the groups. People tend to think I´m
snubbing them because I´m a stuck-up bastard, but usually don´t break
my balls too much.
ThePuttKing
I've been thinking lately about the difference between when I'm at
work and when I'm not. I'm extremely chatty at work and not always
with people I know. Away from work I hardly talk to anyone. At work
though, the customers who I talk to come to me. I'm staff so I get
noticed. I don't have to do anything special. They come to me to get
served. Away from work is totally different. If I go anywhere people
wouldn't notice me and I would have to approach somebody to talk to
them. I never ever do this.
So in reality I am still as shy as ever !
Mxsmanic
> I've been thinking lately about the difference between when I'm at
> work and when I'm not. I'm extremely chatty at work and not always
> with people I know. Away from work I hardly talk to anyone. At work
> though, the customers who I talk to come to me. I'm staff so I get
> noticed. I don't have to do anything special. They come to me to get
> served. Away from work is totally different. If I go anywhere people
> wouldn't notice me and I would have to approach somebody to talk to
> them. I never ever do this.
Work is "official business," and gives you structure and motivation for
interaction with others. Social situations have no such structure, and no
"official business," so they are much more stressful.
I'm exactly the same way. I can talk to people on official business without
much difficulty, but social interactions are problematic.
Official business covers a lot of ground: work, shopping, dealing with
government agencies, etc.
Allan C Cybulskie
You're probably an introvert. Introverts work well one-on-one and in
small groups, but don't work all that well in big groups.
One way to work around this is to somehow break it down into smaller
groups, even if that's only mental. So, for example, at any party
you'll find one or two people talking in a corner, away from most
other people. That's kinda what you need.
ThePuttKing
wrote:
I've just read up on what an introvert is and I would say I am one !
Michaela Mackenzie
It's a really good question and I reckon it shows your willingness to
look inside
yourself honestly.
I think it's oversensitivity to what other people think of you. You
may find you
have learnt to feel your way around the people you know rather well.
You show
each person or small groups of people an aspect of yourself that you
may not
show to certain other(s). So, when confronted with a mix of people you
are
not that used to being with, you are too self-conscious.
I don't know what the short-cut answer to the problem is. I just know
that if you
are going to progress at all you need to keep putting yourself in
situations where
you are exposed to new mixes of people etc.
I have spoken about this stuff before - Claire Danes in 'My So-Called
Life' mentioned
feeling just this way when confronted by two separate groups of her
own friends.
- Michaela
Michaela Mackenzie
O man. I did this from my phone and didn't think it came through cos
the phone
often doesn't seem to let me post. Boy is my face red... two posts
almost exactly
the same. O well, at least I'm consistent.
There's another aspect that comes to mind... I have the one word just
trying to
remember the other... I think you may have a little too much neurosis
and (can't
think of the other word right now). This is more of a mental note to
myself to
look the concepts up in 'The Road Less Travelled' again.
- Michaela
Michaela Mackenzie
> I've just read up on what an introvert is and I would say I am one !
You can develop an interest in others if you put your mind to it.
It takes quite a bit of effort though.
- Michaela
Mxsmanic
> You can develop an interest in others if you put your mind to it.
You can lose an interest in others if you put your mind to it.
Why do so many people think that extroversion is good and introversion is bad?
Allan C Cybulskie
Introversion isn't about interest/lack of interest in others. And
since he functions perfectly well in small groups, it isn't about his
interest in others either.
Extroverts like parties; introverts like small gatherings. I fail to
see why one is better or even more interested in others than the other.
ThePuttKing
I am interested on others. Well the people I find interesting anyway.
I'm just not on the same wavelength as many people.
Mxsmanic
> Extroverts like parties; introverts like small gatherings. I fail to
> see why one is better or even more interested in others than the other.
Extroverts love parties. For many of them, their lives revolve around meeting
people every single day, getting drunk in dimly lit, noisy bars, and so on. I
absolutely cannot see anything enjoyable in that sort of lifestyle, and it's
not because I'm shy. Just the thought of it bores me.
Of course, extroverts can do what they want. But the thought of anyone
imposing that sort of lifestyle on me because he thinks it's "normal" is
pretty scary. I'd go nuts bar-hopping every night. I like to sit in front of
my PC.
Shyness makes me uncomfortable in large groups and gatherings, but even if I
were not shy, I'd turn down such events, because they would still be boring.
Mxsmanic
> I am interested on others. Well the people I find interesting anyway.
> I'm just not on the same wavelength as many people.
And that is just fine!
Introversion and shyness are not diseases.
Michaela Mackenzie
Did I say that one is good and the other bad?
- Michaela
Lobsterboy
> I am interested on others. Well the people I find interesting anyway.
> I'm just not on the same wavelength as many people.
Having interest in other peope...it´s even harder for me. I found very
few people interesting. Often I´m not just uninterested, but have a
strong dislike that my body language reveals quite obviously. The
feeling usually becomes reciprocal.
Beau Boy
"Mxsmanic" <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm much the same. Perfectly OK in business interactions, not
so in social ones.
The one thing I do in social situations that marks me out from almost
everybody else though is that I always wear shorts.
This helps me in many ways. For a start I find that being bare-legged
is so much more comfortable than trousers.
When women see my bare legs in a nightclub, they tend to take notice
of me. They will talk to me and dance with me.
Mxsmanic
> The one thing I do in social situations that marks me out from almost
> everybody else though is that I always wear shorts.
> This helps me in many ways. For a start I find that being bare-legged
> is so much more comfortable than trousers.
I wear shorts for the same reason. Unfortunately, I live in a culture where
anyone male and past puberty wearing shorts is assumed to be homosexual,
unless he's at the beach. But comfort is more important than the impression I
make.
> When women see my bare legs in a nightclub, they tend to take notice
> of me. They will talk to me and dance with me.
When people see me, they whistle the theme to Indiana Jones. I never go to
nightclubs.
Beau Boy
> Beau Boy writes:
>
>> The one thing I do in social situations that marks me out from almost
>> everybody else though is that I always wear shorts.
>> This helps me in many ways. For a start I find that being bare-legged
>> is so much more comfortable than trousers.
>
> I wear shorts for the same reason. Unfortunately, I live in a culture
> where
> anyone male and past puberty wearing shorts is assumed to be homosexual,
> unless he's at the beach. But comfort is more important than the
> impression I
> make.
Well I don't live in that kind of a culture, but I am one of those people
who loves to wear shorts all year round, even in the cold of winter.
Basically, I just love my legs :)
In reality my legs are very white and pretty hairy but I will walk into a
club wearing a very short pair of shorts just to show them off.
Women wear ridiculously short shorts in order to show their legs off
in order to attract men, so why shouldn't I wear a skimpy pair of
shorts in order to show my legs off and to attract women?
Mxsmanic
> Well I don't live in that kind of a culture, but I am one of those people
> who loves to wear shorts all year round, even in the cold of winter.
> Basically, I just love my legs :)
> In reality my legs are very white and pretty hairy but I will walk into a
> club wearing a very short pair of shorts just to show them off.
If you wear shorts all the time, why don't you have a tan?
> Women wear ridiculously short shorts in order to show their legs off
> in order to attract men, so why shouldn't I wear a skimpy pair of
> shorts in order to show my legs off and to attract women?
Women do appreciate nice-looking legs on men and will look at them and notice
them if they are exposed. But you have to have nice-looking legs.
The same rules apply to women exposing their legs, of course. Some would look
better if they kept their legs covered. (In particular, legs that look nice in
tight pants often don't look good in skirts, and vice versa.)
Beau Boy
> Beau Boy writes:
>
>> Well I don't live in that kind of a culture, but I am one of those people
>> who loves to wear shorts all year round, even in the cold of winter.
>> Basically, I just love my legs :)
>> In reality my legs are very white and pretty hairy but I will walk into a
>> club wearing a very short pair of shorts just to show them off.
>
> If you wear shorts all the time, why don't you have a tan?
That's a fair question.
I'm in the UK and a pretty wet part of the UK at that, so I don't
get to see much sun anyway. I don't like hot weather so when it does
come I tend to stay indoors anyway. I've never been one to waste my
time lying around in the sun trying to get tanned, I don't tan easily and
I would just burn. So if I do go out I slap high factor suncream on
my legs. That's why despite wearing shorts all the time, my legs stay
pasty white, even in summer.
Tanned skin is damaged skin anyway, I'd rather stay white.
>> Women wear ridiculously short shorts in order to show their legs off
>> in order to attract men, so why shouldn't I wear a skimpy pair of
>> shorts in order to show my legs off and to attract women?
>
> Women do appreciate nice-looking legs on men and will look at them and
> notice
> them if they are exposed. But you have to have nice-looking legs.
They are nice looking legs. They are lean but with some good muscle
definition as well. They're just not tanned, that's all.
ThePuttKing
Why do they whistle the theme to Indiana Jones ?
Do you look like Harrison Ford ?
ThePuttKing
> "Mxsmanic" <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I never wear shorts. Hate the thought of it !
Mxsmanic
> Why do they whistle the theme to Indiana Jones ?
I don't know. I often wear a fishing vest as well, perhaps they aren't
discerning enough to know the difference between that and Indiana Jones.
I've heard people yodel behind me, too. I suppose that's from the hiking
socks. I don't really know.
> Do you look like Harrison Ford ?
Nope.
ThePuttKing
I was joking with the Harrison Ford comment. I thought maybe you wear
an hat like him or something.
I think it's quite awfull when people get treated like that. I've had
my fair share of it. Usually 'gayboy' or something like that. Now it's
probably 'baldy'. I wear plain clothes to try to avoid comments and
attention.
Beau Boy
Why?
What do you do in hot weather?
Or do you just have grotty legs.
Mxsmanic
> I was joking with the Harrison Ford comment. I thought maybe you wear
> an hat like him or something.
I've considered it.
> I think it's quite awfull when people get treated like that. I've had
> my fair share of it. Usually 'gayboy' or something like that. Now it's
> probably 'baldy'. I wear plain clothes to try to avoid comments and
> attention.
The tendency to make comments like that is inversely correlated with IQ. Most
of them are young males, trying to impress their girlfriends.
Some weeks ago I was walking along dressed like this, and a girl walked up to
me and asked me "Vous allez � la p�che aux moules?" ("Are you going to fish
for mussels?"). I thought she was asking about a restaurant called the P�che
aux Moules in the area, since it sounded like a plausible restaurant name, but
I knew of no restaurant in the area with that name, so I said "no." I found it
curious that she asked if I was going there, instead of just asking the
direction of the restaurant, but didn't think much of it.
She walked off and I walked off, and only later did it occur to me that she
was probably trying to make fun of me in some way, by asking if I was
literally going to fish for mussels (I've never seen people fish for mussels,
so I'm not sure exactly what she was thinking of). It was a case of being on
two completely different wavelengths. If her intent was to insult me, it
didn't work. She didn't laugh or smile. It's strange how such
misunderstandings can sometimes occur, with each party being on a different
planet. I'm not sure if her amusement depended on me reacting with indignation
(which didn't happen) or only on her doing it while her friends looked on.
It might also be a reference to a song, but I've never heard the song.
Nil
Why? Shorts is a great outfit especially on summer time. I love
to wear shorts it's feel comfortable.
Nil
ThePuttKing
Because I look silly wearing shorts. I wouldn't be comfortable. I
sometimes wear shorts in summer but only indoors. And I probably have
'grotty' legs !
ThePuttKing
>
> - Show quoted text -
In England it doesn't get much hotter than 80. Even then I wouldn't
wear shorts. I play alot of golf and never wear shorts. I think I look
daft in shorts and people would stare and laugh at me. That is the
reason. I guess if I was on holiday then I would wear shorts on the
beach. My Dad is similar. He would never take his shirt off even when
we went on holiday and went on the beach and it was boiling hot. It
was because he had a hairy chest and he didn't want people staring at
him.
ThePuttKing
> ThePuttKing writes:
> > I was joking with the Harrison Ford comment. I thought maybe you wear
> > an hat like him or something.
>
> I've considered it.
>
> > I think it's quite awfull when people get treated like that. I've had
> > my fair share of it. Usually 'gayboy' or something like that. Now it's
> > probably 'baldy'. I wear plain clothes to try to avoid comments and
> > attention.
>
> The tendency to make comments like that is inversely correlated with IQ. Most
> of them are young males, trying to impress their girlfriends.
>
> Some weeks ago I was walking along dressed like this, and a girl walked up to
> for mussels?"). I thought she was asking about a restaurant called the Pêche
> aux Moules in the area, since it sounded like a plausible restaurant name, but
> I knew of no restaurant in the area with that name, so I said "no." I found it
> curious that she asked if I was going there, instead of just asking the
> direction of the restaurant, but didn't think much of it.
>
> She walked off and I walked off, and only later did it occur to me that she
> was probably trying to make fun of me in some way, by asking if I was
> literally going to fish for mussels (I've never seen people fish for mussels,
> so I'm not sure exactly what she was thinking of). It was a case of being on
> two completely different wavelengths. If her intent was to insult me, it
> didn't work. She didn't laugh or smile. It's strange how such
> misunderstandings can sometimes occur, with each party being on a different
> planet. I'm not sure if her amusement depended on me reacting with indignation
> (which didn't happen) or only on her doing it while her friends looked on.
>
> It might also be a reference to a song, but I've never heard the song.
I must admit it used to really bother me. I hated it. Getting laughed
at / made fun of ; god it was horrible !
One of my alltime bad experiences was like this (I still remember the
date Dec 20th 1986 !). I was walking along the street minding my own
business when I looked up. There was this girl stood at a bustop with
her mate. I had this massive crush on this girl but as usual I didn't
do anything about it. Anyway this girl was pointing at me and roaring
with laughter. Not smiling but laughing hard. I stopped. I didn't know
what to do ? Either turn around and walk the other way or carry on. I
carried on with my head down. I could see her out of the corner of my
eye looking at me as I walked past. It was an horrible moment. I went
home feeling very sorry for myself. Later on I have always wondered
how a person could act like that. Quite disgusting if you ask me !
I've never forgotten it. Never told anybody either. I know worse
things can happen but I was only 18 and very shy and sensitive.
Another story. In 1992. I went early morning to this music shop to
queue up to get some U2 tickets. So I join a small queue which had a
guy and 2 girls in it. The girls look at me and start laughing. Why ?
What did I do that was so funny ? All I did was walk up and join a
friggin queue ! God I hated it so much !
Anyway it doesn't happen so much (Thank God !) - Or it does and it
doesn't bother me as much !
Mxsmanic
> I must admit it used to really bother me. I hated it. Getting laughed
> at / made fun of ; god it was horrible !
An older friend of mine says that at 20 you worry about what everyone else
thinks of you, at 40 you no longer care what they think of you, and at 60 you
realize they were never thinking of you in the first place.
> One of my alltime bad experiences was like this (I still remember the
> date Dec 20th 1986 !). I was walking along the street minding my own
> business when I looked up. There was this girl stood at a bustop with
> her mate. I had this massive crush on this girl but as usual I didn't
> do anything about it. Anyway this girl was pointing at me and roaring
> with laughter. Not smiling but laughing hard. I stopped. I didn't know
> what to do ? Either turn around and walk the other way or carry on. I
> carried on with my head down. I could see her out of the corner of my
> eye looking at me as I walked past. It was an horrible moment. I went
> home feeling very sorry for myself. Later on I have always wondered
> how a person could act like that. Quite disgusting if you ask me !
So why was she laughing? It may have had nothing to do with you.
> Another story. In 1992. I went early morning to this music shop to
> queue up to get some U2 tickets. So I join a small queue which had a
> guy and 2 girls in it. The girls look at me and start laughing. Why ?
> What did I do that was so funny ? All I did was walk up and join a
> friggin queue ! God I hated it so much !
I've walked into business meetings only to have everyone laugh at me. I've
never figured out why (it happens even if I wear a suit). I can't say that it
bothers me, though, it's just weird.
ThePuttKing
> ThePuttKing writes:
> > I must admit it used to really bother me. I hated it. Getting laughed
> > at / made fun of ; god it was horrible !
>
> An older friend of mine says that at 20 you worry about what everyone else
> thinks of you, at 40 you no longer care what they think of you, and at 60 you
> realize they were never thinking of you in the first place.
>
> > One of my alltime bad experiences was like this (I still remember the
> > date Dec 20th 1986 !). I was walking along the street minding my own
> > business when I looked up. There was this girl stood at a bustop with
> > her mate. I had this massive crush on this girl but as usual I didn't
> > do anything about it. Anyway this girl was pointing at me and roaring
> > with laughter. Not smiling but laughing hard. I stopped. I didn't know
> > what to do ? Either turn around and walk the other way or carry on. I
> > carried on with my head down. I could see her out of the corner of my
> > eye looking at me as I walked past. It was an horrible moment. I went
> > home feeling very sorry for myself. Later on I have always wondered
> > how a person could act like that. Quite disgusting if you ask me !
>
> So why was she laughing? It may have had nothing to do with you.
Well she was laughing at me because she was pointing straight at me
from about 10 feet away.
>
> > Another story. In 1992. I went early morning to this music shop to
> > queue up to get some U2 tickets. So I join a small queue which had a
> > guy and 2 girls in it. The girls look at me and start laughing. Why ?
> > What did I do that was so funny ? All I did was walk up and join a
> > friggin queue ! God I hated it so much !
>
> I've walked into business meetings only to have everyone laugh at me. I've
> never figured out why (it happens even if I wear a suit). I can't say that it
> bothers me, though, it's just weird.
It should bother you because it is rude. Haven't you ever said, What's
so funny ?"
Mxsmanic
> Well she was laughing at me because she was pointing straight at me
> from about 10 feet away.
But you don't know why she was laughing. Why do you assume the worst?
> It should bother you because it is rude.
Is it? It depends on why they are laughing, doesn't it?
> Haven't you ever said, What's so funny ?"
Regularly, but they always seem unable to explain. Something about my
appearance or demeanor, I presume.
ThePuttKing
> ThePuttKing writes:
> > Well she was laughing at me because she was pointing straight at me
> > from about 10 feet away.
>
> But you don't know why she was laughing. Why do you assume the worst?
It's not assuming the worst, there isn't a best in this situation. She
obviously thought it was funny that I liked her.
>
> > It should bother you because it is rude.
>
> Is it? It depends on why they are laughing, doesn't it?
Laughing can be good natured or cruel.
Mxsmanic
> It's not assuming the worst, there isn't a best in this situation. She
> obviously thought it was funny that I liked her.
How would she know that you liked her just from seeing you walk by at a bus
stop? And how do you know that she was laughing about this specifically?
ThePuttKing
Recent events of the past year. She knew I liked her. People who I
told, told her. The way I acted around her. I did ring her up a couple
of times but she wasn't in. I left my name to her parents. She knew.
And why she was laughing. Well I didn't trip up, I didn't do anything
to promote laughter. Maybe she was telling her friend about this
strange guy who had a crush on her when I come walking along. Maybe it
was the timing.
Nil
You know what, your thinking is advance and not good. Why don't
you care what other says. If the comment good or bad accept it.
Nil
nSCOURGE
What makes you think it is a significant handicapp?
> Why don't you care what other says.
Isn't it obvious?
> If the comment good or bad accept it.
A convenient attitude for a female to take.
> Nil
Mxsmanic
> Maybe she was telling her friend about this
> strange guy who had a crush on her when I come walking along. Maybe it
> was the timing.
Or maybe not.
nSCOURGE
Like others around here, you often seem to mistake incredulity for a
compelling explanation.
Mxsmanic
> Like others around here, you often seem to mistake incredulity for a
> compelling explanation.
What incredulity?
PandoraElpis
Quit groping for a 'Michaelala' explanation - you provoked such
treatment only insofar as you failed to measure up to standards of
female choice.
You have to remember that females have evolved to be critical of male
quality, and the more lattitude they excercise(or are suffered) in
sexual choice, the more lattitude can be observed in their assessment
of male quality(a century ago - or in a contemporary culture which is
less tolerant of female license - such females would never have dared
to mock you).
PandoraElpis
The incredulity you are appealing to in lieu of explanation.
nSCOURGE
dotcom wrote:
> You mean you go to "business meetings" regularly? well thats got me
> rolling on the floor!
> it would be like Hitler turning up to a bar mitsvah with gift in
> hand, or Bill Gates walking up
> to a soup kitchen.
And there's his answer.
ThePuttKing
Or maybe she didn't see me at all and was laughing because her mate
told her a good joke. She then started to reach out her arm and point
because she was doing some kind of exercise. I was just unlucky to be
walking by at the time. And by some queer quirk of fate her finger was
pointing exactly at me. But of course she wasn't laughing at me. Oh
No, never in a million years was she doing this. And even though she
never saw me, after I had walked past she turned her head and looked.
Mxsmanic
> The incredulity you are appealing to in lieu of explanation.
Nobody has shown incredulity, so I cannot appeal to it.
Mxsmanic
> Or maybe she didn't see me at all and was laughing because her mate
> told her a good joke. She then started to reach out her arm and point
> because she was doing some kind of exercise. I was just unlucky to be
> walking by at the time. And by some queer quirk of fate her finger was
> pointing exactly at me. But of course she wasn't laughing at me. Oh
> No, never in a million years was she doing this. And even though she
> never saw me, after I had walked past she turned her head and looked.
Maybe she was doing both: listening to a good joke and then seeing you walk
past and pointing you out to her boyfriend. Then she turned and looked because
she was worried that you might have thought she was laughing at you, rather
than the joke.
There are many possibilities.
Mxsmanic
> You mean you go to "business meetings" regularly?
I did in the past. Not these days. I often had to give presentations.
> well thats got me rolling on the floor!
I have no idea why.
> it would be like Hitler turning up to a bar mitsvah with gift in
> hand, or Bill Gates walking up
> to a soup kitchen.
I don't see the connection.
ThePuttKing
Sorry but your talking bollocks. I was there, you wasn't yet you
argue. I'm sorry but your an argumentative, arrogant twat. You don't
know anything. It's wasn't her boyfriend either, it was a woman. God
it's obvious when somebody is pointing and laughing at you. It
happened. You can bullshit all you want. I was there. You wasn't ! End
of story !
Mxsmanic
> Sorry but your talking bollocks. I was there, you wasn't yet you
> argue.
You can't read minds, and yet you insist that you knew what she was thinking.
> I'm sorry but your an argumentative, arrogant twat.
You must want to be miserable. You put the worst possible interpretation on
every interaction, and then when anyone suggests that your worst
interpretation might not be the correct one, you engage in a personal attack.
How much more self-destructive can one get?
> You don't know anything. It's wasn't her boyfriend either, it was a woman.
The same possibilities still exist. Even more, in fact, if she was with a
woman.
> God it's obvious when somebody is pointing and laughing at you.
No, it's not. In most situations, there are many possible interpretations.
> It happened. You can bullshit all you want. I was there. You wasn't ! End
> of story !
Enjoy your life. I know it's difficult when every woman on the planet is
conspiring against you.
nSCOURGE
Yes, wear your tinfoil crown with pride, so that reason cannot
penetrate and upset your delicate psychological equilibrium.
Need you wonder why everyone mocks you?
nSCOURGE
dotcom wrote:
> On Jan 2, 6:01 am, dotcom <tfm...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> > would it bother you if everyone saw the connection?
>
> I meant to say would it bother you if everyone else here saw the
> connection?
>
> The persona you have portrayed on usenet for many years is of a beggar
> in Paris barely able to feed himself, let alone afford any of lifes
> simple luxuries. now put your self in the shoes of all the people on
> usenet who's only knowledge of you is what you have protrayed to
> them. Now do you see the similarity between such a person attending
> a business meeting in a suit, and say Bill Gates rocking up to a soup
> kitchen for a handout? Now do you understand why I found it funny?
He has also presented himself as socialled detached, to the point of
dysfunctional pathology, which would lend to the same kind of perfect
irony in the considered scenario.
nSCOURGE
I meant to write: 'socially detached'.
ThePuttKing
> ThePuttKing writes:
> > Sorry but your talking bollocks. I was there, you wasn't yet you
> > argue.
>
> You can't read minds, and yet you insist that you knew what she was thinking.
>
> > I'm sorry but your an argumentative, arrogant twat.
>
> You must want to be miserable. You put the worst possible interpretation on
> every interaction, and then when anyone suggests that your worst
> interpretation might not be the correct one, you engage in a personal attack.
> How much more self-destructive can one get?
You forced me into it by been such an arse.
>
> > You don't know anything. It's wasn't her boyfriend either, it was a woman.
>
> The same possibilities still exist. Even more, in fact, if she was with a
> woman.
>
> > God it's obvious when somebody is pointing and laughing at you.
>
> No, it's not. In most situations, there are many possible interpretations.
>
> > It happened. You can bullshit all you want. I was there. You wasn't ! End
> > of story !
>
> Enjoy your life. I know it's difficult when every woman on the planet is
> conspiring against you.
No plenty of good things have happened involving women. This was a bad
experience.
ThePuttKing
> On Jan 2, 1:50 am, Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
I try to get on with everybody on here but that guy !
I think it will be best to ignore his posts !
ThePuttKing
> > Sorry but your talking bollocks. I was there, you wasn't yet you
> > argue.
>
> You can't read minds, and yet you insist that you knew what she was thinking.
>
> > I'm sorry but your an argumentative, arrogant twat.
>
> You must want to be miserable. You put the worst possible interpretation on
> every interaction, and then when anyone suggests that your worst
> interpretation might not be the correct one, you engage in a personal attack.
> How much more self-destructive can one get?
No, the only interpretation on one bad interaction. I could tell you
plenty of really good things that have happened to me. One bad
experience doesn't mean I want to be miserable. And anyway if
something good happens it isn't really necessary to write it up on
here. This is for bad stuff.
>
> > You don't know anything. It's wasn't her boyfriend either, it was a woman.
>
> The same possibilities still exist. Even more, in fact, if she was with a
> woman.
>
> > God it's obvious when somebody is pointing and laughing at you.
>
> No, it's not. In most situations, there are many possible interpretations.
Why don't you for once admit you are wrong ?
Michaela Mackenzie
You really need to get out of your own head for a while.
Go and read up on cognitive behavioural therapy[*]. Having said
this, I havent
read the original post and am not even sure this is PuttKing talking
cos you're
being wayyyy negative.
[*hint: the world doesn't revolve around *you*!]
- Michaela
ThePuttKing
<michaelamackenzie05072...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 6:20 pm, ThePuttKing <theputtk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 1 Jan, 14:49, Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ThePuttKing writes:
> > > > Or maybe she didn't see me at all and was laughing because her mate
> > > > told her a good joke. She then started to reach out her arm and point
> > > > because she was doing some kind of exercise. I was just unlucky to be
> > > > walking by at the time. And by some queer quirk of fate her finger was
> > > > pointing exactly at me. But of course she wasn't laughing at me. Oh
> > > > No, never in a million years was she doing this. And even though she
> > > > never saw me, after I had walked past she turned her head and looked.
>
> > > Maybe she was doing both: listening to a good joke and then seeing you walk
> > > past and pointing you out to her boyfriend. Then she turned and looked because
> > > she was worried that you might have thought she was laughing at you, rather
> > > than the joke.
>
> > > There are many possibilities.
>
> > Sorry but your talking bollocks. I was there, you wasn't yet you
> > argue. I'm sorry but your an argumentative, arrogant twat. You don't
> > know anything. It's wasn't her boyfriend either, it was a woman. God
> > it's obvious when somebody is pointing and laughing at you. It
> > happened. You can bullshit all you want. I was there. You wasn't ! End
> > of story !
>
> You really need to get out of your own head for a while.
I have, don't really know how I got on the subject. Just got annoyed
by that other guy.
>
> Go and read up on cognitive behavioural therapy[*]. Having said
> this, I havent
> read the original post and am not even sure this is PuttKing talking
> cos you're
> being wayyyy negative.
It's me. I was just talking about one of my bad experiences at the
time. Honestly stuff like that doesn't bother me now.
Happy New Year by the way !
> [*hint: the world doesn't revolve around *you*!]
>
> - Michaela- Hide quoted text -
nSCOURGE
ThePuttKing wrote:
> On 1 Jan, 18:15, Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ThePuttKing writes:
> > > Sorry but your talking bollocks. I was there, you wasn't yet you
> > > argue.
> >
> > You can't read minds, and yet you insist that you knew what she was thinking.
> >
> > > I'm sorry but your an argumentative, arrogant twat.
> >
> > You must want to be miserable. You put the worst possible interpretation on
> > every interaction, and then when anyone suggests that your worst
> > interpretation might not be the correct one, you engage in a personal attack.
> > How much more self-destructive can one get?
>
> No, the only interpretation on one bad interaction. I could tell you
> plenty of really good things that have happened to me. One bad
> experience doesn't mean I want to be miserable. And anyway if
> something good happens it isn't really necessary to write it up on
> here. This is for bad stuff.
> >
> > > You don't know anything. It's wasn't her boyfriend either, it was a woman.
> >
> > The same possibilities still exist. Even more, in fact, if she was with a
> > woman.
> >
> > > God it's obvious when somebody is pointing and laughing at you.
> >
> > No, it's not. In most situations, there are many possible interpretations.
>
> Why don't you for once admit you are wrong ?
I'm not sure he can.
Like I mentioned in the other thread, I believe he is rationalizing
poor outcomes as a self-determined 'choice', in forming a tenuous
psychological anchor that preserves the possibility of some future
existential remedy(and thus 'anchors' his sanity).
A truly hopeless case more deserving of pity than anything else, if he
were not, as you say, such an incorrigible argumentative 'twat'.
nSCOURGE
And another member of the existentialist flock leaves the fold, lol?
See what laxity gets you?
> - Michaela
Mxsmanic
> Need you wonder why everyone mocks you?
Very few people mock me. There are always a vocal few village idiots who
attack me and others regularly, but they are not representative of the
mainstream. Years of experience have taught me that what they say is
completely unimportant, and is useful only for its entertainment value.
Mxsmanic
> You forced me into it by been such an arse.
So it bothers you when someone suggests a positive or neutral interpretaion of
an event that you are hellbent on seeing in a negative light?
Mxsmanic
> Why don't you for once admit you are wrong ?
I do admit that I'm wrong ... when it is actually the case.
Mxsmanic
> would it bother you if everyone saw the connection?
It would concern me, but that won't be the case.
Mxsmanic
> I meant to say would it bother you if everyone else here saw the
> connection?
No. The demographics of groups like this are very skewed, and in particular
the most vocal participants in a group often share a vast number of
undesirable personality characteristics in common. This being so, most of what
they say can simply be ignored.
> The persona you have portrayed on usenet for many years is of a beggar
> in Paris barely able to feed himself, let alone afford any of lifes
> simple luxuries. now put your self in the shoes of all the people on
> usenet who's only knowledge of you is what you have protrayed to
> them. Now do you see the similarity between such a person attending
> a business meeting in a suit, and say Bill Gates rocking up to a soup
> kitchen for a handout? Now do you understand why I found it funny?
No.
PandoraElpis
Mxsmanic wrote:
> nSCOURGE writes:
>
> > Need you wonder why everyone mocks you?
>
> Very few people mock me.
Then you are splitting hairs in failing to consider the small-world
case of this thread.
ThePuttKing
No !
You bother me !
ThePuttKing
Nil
HAPPY NEW YEAR too!
Nil
Mxsmanic
> You bother me !
Why? I didn't bother you before I disagreed with you.
Mxsmanic
> Care to give an example ?
I can't recall a specific instance right now, but it has happened
occasionally. I take care not to be wrong when that is avoidable, in part by
keeping a cool head when posting, and doing research on answers--most other
people do neither.
Mxsmanic
> and the sad thing is I believe you!
Why is that sad?
nSCOURGE
Mxsmanic wrote:
> ThePuttKing writes:
>
> > Care to give an example ?
>
> I can't recall a specific instance right now
What is there to recall?
You have sprinkled spurious bullshit all throughout this thread.
nSCOURGE
Because it is pathetic, duh.
Mxsmanic
> because I think it means you probably fall below about 5 standard
> deviations of the mean of emotional intelligence ...
There is no such thing as "emotional intelligence."
> ... and I will just ignore you.
You can't ignore me. I fascinate and intimidate you.
ThePuttKing
Strange comment to make !
ThePuttKing
Your superior attitude on here annoys me. I don't like the way you
treat people.
It's not the first time either.
Mxsmanic
> Your superior attitude on here annoys me. I don't like the way you
> treat people.
I don't have a superior attitude, and that didn't seem to bother you before I
disagreed with you, either.
Mxsmanic
> there is no such thing as ignore, fascinate or intimidate
Then you can't avoid no such thing.
Mxsmanic
> Strange comment to make !
I intimidate a lot of people, and so they follow me around hoping to "beat" me
somehow in "contests" here on USENET or in other discussion venues. Every
time I post (almost), a couple of these people pop out of the woodwork and try
to "battle" me (the battle is entirely in their minds, of course). It's
interesting to watch, but it does create a lot of noise that tends to drown
out all serious discussion.
ThePuttKing
I think you have a superior attitude. That is my opinion of you. I can
have it. I'm sorry you don't agree with it. Are you saying I can't
have an opinion ?
ThePuttKing
No i think it's because you argue with everything anybody says and
there is a contest about who gets the last word in. People get so
annoyed with you they have to do another post. (like this one !)
holdenc...@live.com.au
intimidate? is there a glimmer of humour there after all ? nah
must be accidental. You sound like the guy in Monty Pythons Holy
Grail as he has his arms and legs cut off by the knight. "Its just a
flesh wound" but I've just cut off your arms and legs you idiot! " I
can still bite your ankles"
holdenc...@live.com.au
most people come on usenet to seek and discuss other peoples opinons.
they dont expect someone to go and read a book or some website and
report back someone elses opinion.
Mxsmanic
> I think you have a superior attitude. That is my opinion of you. I can
> have it. I'm sorry you don't agree with it. Are you saying I can't
> have an opinion?
You can have an opinion, but if it's an opinion, it can be wrong.
Mxsmanic
> most people come on usenet to seek and discuss other peoples opinons.
Most people who post on USENET are angry young males looking for a venue in
which to compete and fight.
> they dont expect someone to go and read a book or some website and
> report back someone elses opinion.
Of course not. Most of them have never done that, so it never crosses their
mind.