Why Aren't People Outraged by This?
Mariah Kaze
NIH & FDA should be completely disbanded!
<I'm going to wind up getting hanged for treason yet>
MK
Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!
What is the incidence of cancer associated with these vaccines compared
to the incidence of polio before the vaccines? I did a quick scan of the
article and didn't find any totals.
Don
Bill Pfeifer
Hey, how about:
http://www.aidsorigins.com/content/view/127/49/
Mariah Kaze
"Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net> wrote in
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE1D81531F937A15755C0A963958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
>In the five years before 1955, when mass inoculations with the vaccine
>began, cases of paralytic polio averaged about 25,000 a year in the United
>States. A few years after polio vaccination became >routine, the annual
>number of cases dropped to a dozen or so, sometimes fewer. In 1969 not a
>single death from polio was reported in the nation, the first such year on
>record, and now the disease is on >the verge of being eradicated worldwide.
And from Bill's article:
>On the whole, cancer rates have sky-rocketed, especially those rare forms
>related to the SV40, yet this type of misleading (i.e. lies) is typical of
>what the current administration and Federal offices are >attempting to do
>with everything from the threat of Iraq to the infecting of its own
>population in the past.
And here's another:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15120442.400-science--polio-vaccine-linked-to-cancer.html
MK
Mariah Kaze
"Bill Pfeifer" <billp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There are dozens of links regarding this. In one they say that NIH has
stifled all research into this and caused the results of research to be
down-played or covered up because they don't want to cause a panic. And
because it will keep the pharmaceutical companies from manufacturing
vaccines. The government won't "allow" research that proves them culpable.
There were lawsuits over the contaminated vaccines in the 1960's and
Congress has passed laws to keep us from suing doctors and the government
over SV40 or having been given polio from the vaccine. They have a fund that
anyone with Post-Polio Syndrome could apply to for a monetary award that
admits "no fault".
I was innoculated in Wyoming - one of the States that received the
contaminated vaccines and has a high incidence of cancers like mesothelioma.
I personally know three people my age who have died of brain cancer. My
mother died of non-Hodgkins Lymphoma.
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-4-2005-83090.asp
We won't have to control population. They've done it for us.
<how many people have I shed this virus to in my lifetime????>
MK <going to bed>
Love
>
>
>"Bill Pfeifer" <billp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g-mdnaTzEPlF3mHa...@comcast.com...
>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=266785
>>>
>>> NIH & FDA should be completely disbanded!
>>>
>>> <I'm going to wind up getting hanged for treason yet>
>>
>> Hey, how about:
>> http://www.aidsorigins.com/content/view/127/49/
>
>There are dozens of links regarding this. In one they say that NIH has
>stifled all research into this and caused the results of research to be
>down-played or covered up because they don't want to cause a panic. And
>because it will keep the pharmaceutical companies from manufacturing
>vaccines. The government won't "allow" research that proves them culpable.
>There were lawsuits over the contaminated vaccines in the 1960's and
>Congress has passed laws to keep us from suing doctors and the government
>over SV40 or having been given polio from the vaccine. They have a fund that
>anyone with Post-Polio Syndrome could apply to for a monetary award that
>admits "no fault".
A pretty common way of handling mass errors not made
in malice. The alternative is a lot of individual
lawsuits and perhaps a lot of victims getting no
compensation while others with the most means get
exorbitant amounts.
We know someone who is dying of hep c and is being
compensated under such a plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_of_Inquiry_on_the_Blood_System_in_Canada
--
Love
May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.
Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!
So, which is worse, polio or cancer? And numerically speaking, how much
worse? Once we have that, we can do the math and say whether the vaccine
was bad or good for humanity.
Don
Mariah Kaze
Not just cancer. We did this too.
http://www.avert.org/aafrica.htm
from this article:
'Sub-Saharan Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any other
region of the world. An estimated 22.5 million people were living with HIV
at the end of 2007 and approximately 1.7 million additional people were
infected with HIV during that year. In just the past year, the AIDS epidemic
in Africa has claimed the lives of an estimated 1.6 million people in this
region. More than eleven million children have been orphaned by AIDS.1 '
Polio, in the worst epidemics, affected 125,000 people a year. Franklin
Roosevelt had polio as a child and was the single most influential person in
the world for financing Salk & Sabin in developing the Polio Vaccine that
made this disease "eradicated" in the West. We've innoculated the Planet.
I have to let the bean counters do the math?
MK
MK
Ali
> There are dozens of links regarding this. In one they say that NIH has
> stifled all research into this and caused the results of research to be
> down-played or covered up because they don't want to cause a panic. And
> because it will keep the pharmaceutical companies from manufacturing
> vaccines. The government won't "allow" research that proves them culpable.
> There were lawsuits over the contaminated vaccines in the 1960's and
> Congress has passed laws to keep us from suing doctors and the government
> over SV40 or having been given polio from the vaccine. They have a fund that
> anyone with Post-Polio Syndrome could apply to for a monetary award that
> admits "no fault".
>
> I was innoculated in Wyoming - one of the States that received the
> contaminated vaccines and has a high incidence of cancers like mesothelioma.
> I personally know three people my age who have died of brain cancer. My
> mother died of non-Hodgkins Lymphoma.
>
> http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-4-2005-83090.asp
>
> We won't have to control population. They've done it for us.
>
> <how many people have I shed this virus to in my lifetime????>
>
> MK <going to bed>
And now a pome by Henry Gibson:
Geez, Louise,
Obsessed with disease?
wheeze, wheeze...
Puh-lease!
Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!
I fail to see the connection between polio and AIDS. Could you explain that?
Don
dt
Heh. My favorite was one of the shortest:
Marshall McCluhan
What're you doin'?
DT
dt
Don't know about the original issue, but it's kinda hard to believe the
government is suppressing research. Searching Pubmed for "SV-40 cancer
polio vaccine" gets 39 hits from 1968 to the present. From Great
Britain, Norway, Taiwan, Illinois... However, they say things like
"chance the most plausible interpretation of these findings", "No
significant association between SV40 antibody response in prediagnostic
sera and risk of mesothelioma", "SV40 is possibly associated with the
development of NHL....Prospective studies are needed..." and
"differences in the sensitivities of methodologies can lead to a very
different interpretation of the same study."
But, of course, that *is* what they'd say, isn't it?
DT
Love
Not really. We have to consider all vaccinations in balance
not just one. Folks who are paranoid incorrectly use single
instances to generalise.
--
Love
dt
AIDS was explained to me by a good Baptist churck deacon back in the
late '80s: since there are only two ways to spread the disease (at least
known back then), intravenous drug use and homosexual sex, it's highly
unlikely that anybody is sharing needles with monkeys. Therefore, the
only logical conclusion is that African men are having sex with monkeys.
MALE monkeys.
DT
trinlay
It seems that like the vaccines=autism idea, they're missing a lot of
OTHER things that contribute to peaks in statistics. It's not always
A happened, then B happened, so A must cause B.
In the case of autism, asthma peaks there are clearly several things
happening at ABOUT the same time as the guessed at cause, that are
almost never taken into account.
In the 60s when I was growing up, pediatricians were very very
hesitant to slap and diagnosis of a learning disability on a kid.
Kids who got diagnosed with autism were diagnosed after years of no
one having any idea what was going on with said child... many medical
professionals had no idea what autism was. It was easier to just say
"this kid is retarded/lazy/too loved/not loved enough/brain
damaged...." than to actually track down what the problem was. (It's
the same way with some other illnesses that are just not understood
NOW.)
Over time, the knowledge level and experience level with medical
people TALKING about autism (probably triggered by activist/author
parents) let to it being easier for the medical people to get the
information about autism, and be able to make a diagnosis.
With Asthma, with my own child, the first attacks only happened during
gym class, and the gym teacher wrote it off as "not wanting to do
gym".... and eventually getting a similar response from the
pediatrician... until she actually had an attack in the pediatrician's
office! (and don't get me started on things that got written off as
"school phobic".)
Also in the mid 80s- early 90s the Social Security Administration made
it easier for low income, & AFDC families to get extra assistance
through SSI for disabled children. This made it more likely for poor
families to push for a diagnosis, taking in "that lazy kid" to find
out if maybe something really was medically wrong, and even in some
cases having kids fake learning disabilities so the family could get
another $100- 200 per month. The number of SSI applications for
children sky rocketed, the number of Dx for just about ANYTHING sky
rocketed. Maybe, this jump in rates of asthma, allergies, and autism
as well as other LDs was because NOW parents were pushing the system
to Dx and treat kids that used to struggle with these things and
usually get blown off as "lazy" or "stupid" by the prior system.
This is just about the time that the "OMG vaccines cause autism" panic
started... statistics is rarely a good way to establish cause and
effect relationships if one isn't seeing the other factors that might
be affecting the statistics.
What MIGHT be affecting the cancer/polio vaccine statistics is a) the
baby boomers, have been hitting and passing the ages where there
parents were dead or dying. b) baby boomers have been caring for aging
and dying parents c) Technology to detect and treat cancers has grown
exponentially since the 50s! They catch them sooner... people die and
we now can blame the cancers, where as a generation ago people were
"just old" or "sickly and unlucky". d) more and more people are
surviving cancers that used to kill people even before medicine could
tell what was wrong with them. When we know cancer survivors, it
doesn't become that "secret terror" anymore. People TALK about
having, & recovering from cancer.
So maybe the actual rate of cancer cases is the same, just the
diagnosis, reporting and culture of being able to talk about cancer,
makes it seem like there is a lot more of it.
Ali
<donshep...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Mariah Kaze wrote:
>So, which is worse, polio or cancer? And numerically speaking, how much
>worse? Once we have that, we can do the math and say whether the vaccine
>was bad or good for humanity.
>
>Don
Yes, which *is* worse?
That also goes into the "Bad Monty Python rhetorical questions uttered
with a straight face" bin.
Ali
<maria...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>Not just cancer. We did this too.
>
>http://www.avert.org/aafrica.htm
>from this article:
>'Sub-Saharan Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any other
>region of the world. An estimated 22.5 million people were living with HIV
>at the end of 2007 and approximately 1.7 million additional people were
>infected with HIV during that year. In just the past year, the AIDS epidemic
>in Africa has claimed the lives of an estimated 1.6 million people in this
>region. More than eleven million children have been orphaned by AIDS.1 '
>
>Polio, in the worst epidemics, affected 125,000 people a year. Franklin
>Roosevelt had polio as a child and was the single most influential person in
>the world for financing Salk & Sabin in developing the Polio Vaccine that
>made this disease "eradicated" in the West. We've innoculated the Planet.
>
>I have to let the bean counters do the math?
>
>MK
>
>MK
Well, like the Booda said, "It sucks to be all the rest of you."
Wilson
Wilson
That's about the most reasoned thing I've read on the subject
in a long time. Thanks.
--
Wilson
Mariah Kaze
Yes.
The theory is that CHAT Type 1 Polio vaccine administered in Belgian Congo
between 1957 and 1960 was a likely source of HIV. Simian Imuno Virus
contaminated the vaccines - which were grown on monkey kindneys and injected
into humans. They interfered with the bodie's immune system in unimagined
ways - becoming Retro-Virus strains. Aids is only one of these
Retro-viruses.
I can post the links but .....read them if you like. I'll summarize for
you.
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/
"There is no documented case of HIV infection or AIDS before 1959. [...]
Polio vaccines could not be screened for SIV contamination before 1985. "
There are multiple sources stating that the polio vaccines given to
Nigerians were manufactured right in the province where AIDS was first
discovered. The vaccines were grown on Chimpanzee kidneys that are
indiginous to the province where AIDS was first reported. That's where the
monkey/human sex theory came from. It's also called the "Bush Meat
Hypothesis" speculating that people ate contaminated monkey meat and gave
themselves AIDS- this has been disproved.
http://www.avert.org/aids-nigeria.htm
"The first two HIV cases in Nigeria were identified in 1985 and were
reported at an international AIDS conference in 19866. In 1987 the Nigerian
health sector established the National AIDS Advisory Committee, which was
shortly followed by the establishment of the National Expert Advisory
Committee on AIDS (NEACA)"
The criminal part of this is that once we knew the viruses were mutating and
the vaccines were contaminated, we just kept on giving them anyway. Why
would we do that? The Salk vaccines that were out-lawed in the US were given
to other parts of Africa like Zimbabwe and Uganda - donated to them by
States that had the old Salk vaccine on hand and didn't want to use them -
Oregon was one. They were also used in India and Mexico. Tell you
anything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis
According to the oral polio vaccine (OPV) AIDS hypothesis, the AIDS pandemic
originated from live polio vaccines prepared in chimpanzee tissue cultures
and then administered to up to one million Africans between 1957 and 1960 in
experimental mass vaccination campaigns.[1][2
--
Mariah Kaze
"The wind is like the air, only pushier."
Mariah Kaze
"dt" <dal...@ATnewsguy.com> wrote in message
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> Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon! wrote:
>
>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>
>>> "Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net> wrote
>>> in message news:dn1Lj.7274$BT1.5928@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote in message news:E4XKj.17690$4Q1.12618@trnddc06...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
[...]
>> I fail to see the connection between polio and AIDS. Could you explain
>> that?
>>
>> Don
>
> AIDS was explained to me by a good Baptist churck deacon back in the late
> '80s: since there are only two ways to spread the disease (at least known
> back then), intravenous drug use and homosexual sex, it's highly unlikely
> that anybody is sharing needles with monkeys. Therefore, the only logical
> conclusion is that African men are having sex with monkeys. MALE monkeys.
>
> DT
I do try to stay away from good "Christians" like that one DT. This
"theory" arose because we have to demonize people in order to hate
them.....preachers are great demonizers.....this guy obviously was a bigot
who hated both blacks and homosexuals. This "rumor" has been thoroughly
debunked, thank God.
MK
Mariah Kaze
"Love" <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote in message
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I don't disagree about the error not being made with malice. Salk & Sabin
truly came up with a vaccine that stopped "most" people from contracting the
"dread polio" . They didn't know what they didn't know but what about after
we knew? http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml
Know why we have vaccines for Mumps & Measles & Chicken Pox?
We are the most productive nation on earth. Since WWII, even women have
thrown their backs into the work force to make us even more productive and
until the Mexican invasion, we were much cheaper to pay than male workers.
We can't be taking time off WORK to stay home with sick kids! Vaccinate
'em - keep that national product flowing!
I learned as a paramedic that my job was not "saving lives" but that I might
just get lucky enough to witness God saving one sometimes.
Mk
Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!
> The criminal part of this is that once we knew the viruses were mutating and
> the vaccines were contaminated, we just kept on giving them anyway. Why
> would we do that? The Salk vaccines that were out-lawed in the US were given
> to other parts of Africa like Zimbabwe and Uganda - donated to them by
> States that had the old Salk vaccine on hand and didn't want to use them -
> Oregon was one. They were also used in India and Mexico. Tell you
> anything?
We could have kept giving the contaminated vaccines away because they
immunized against polio, which was then known. Possible creation of HIV
in these vaccines was unknown. If you were the administrator and you
were faced with the decision to use the vaccine why would you have done
differently?
I didn't see in your sources where the Salk vaccines were outlawed in
the US. I must have missed it. What are the details of that and of us
giving them to Africa?
Don
Mariah Kaze
"Love" <no....@from.you.bub> wrote in message
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> In article <dn1Lj.7274$BT1.5928@trnddc04>, donshep...@verizon.net
> says...
>>
>>Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>> "Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net> wrote
>>> in
>>> message news:E4XKj.17690$4Q1.12618@trnddc06...
>>
>>So, which is worse, polio or cancer? And numerically speaking, how much
>>worse? Once we have that, we can do the math and say whether the vaccine
>>was bad or good for humanity.
>
> Not really. We have to consider all vaccinations in balance
> not just one. Folks who are paranoid incorrectly use single
> instances to generalise.
>
> --
> Love
Then keep reading.
Dr Viera Scheibner describes herself as a retired principal research
scientist. She has a PhD in micropaleontology and in 1993 published a book -
Vaccination 100 Years of Orthodox Research shows that Vaccines Represent a
Medical Assault on the Immune System
I just love it when I can sit in on these Armchair Psychiatric Board
meetings. ;)
Should Anti-bacterial soap containers be marked as Hazarous Waste?
MK
Mariah Kaze
"trinlay" <trin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 8, 11:28 pm, "Mariah Kaze" <mariahk...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=266785
>>
>> NIH & FDA should be completely disbanded!
>>
>> <I'm going to wind up getting hanged for treason yet>
>>
>> MK
>
> It seems that like the vaccines=autism idea, they're missing a lot of
> OTHER things that contribute to peaks in statistics. It's not always
> A happened, then B happened, so A must cause B.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/280208autism.htm
The Court has conceded the case, TK. Autism and vaccines are irrevocably
linked.
> In the case of autism, asthma peaks there are clearly several things
> happening at ABOUT the same time as the guessed at cause, that are
> almost never taken into account.
I think it's been thoroghly researched and there are definitely divisions of
thinking but the preponderance of the evidence weighs in favor of the
vaccines (A) leading to Autism (B). Not much in the Unoverse is a straight
line, I'll grant you but I'm unusually impressed by the numbers of families
who are suing.
"The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal "Vaccine
Court," was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and
other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health
and Human Services, the "defendant" in all Vaccine Court cases."
> In the 60s when I was growing up, pediatricians were very very
> hesitant to slap and diagnosis of a learning disability on a kid.
> Kids who got diagnosed with autism were diagnosed after years of no
> one having any idea what was going on with said child... many medical
> professionals had no idea what autism was. It was easier to just say
> "this kid is retarded/lazy/too loved/not loved enough/brain
> damaged...." than to actually track down what the problem was. (It's
> the same way with some other illnesses that are just not understood
> NOW.)
My daughter was labeled LD in the first grade. She was a premature baby.
We struggled to "make" the public schools educate her to no avail. I home
schooled her for three years. At 40, you'd never know she ever had a
"disability". She outgrew her allergies, went on to High School and every
since, she's done very well in life.
> Over time, the knowledge level and experience level with medical
> people TALKING about autism (probably triggered by activist/author
> parents) let to it being easier for the medical people to get the
> information about autism, and be able to make a diagnosis.
> With Asthma, with my own child, the first attacks only happened during
> gym class, and the gym teacher wrote it off as "not wanting to do
> gym".... and eventually getting a similar response from the
> pediatrician... until she actually had an attack in the pediatrician's
> office! (and don't get me started on things that got written off as
> "school phobic".)
Doctors that tell anyone that something is "all in their head" should be
barred from the practice of human medicine. I don't care if they "think" it
but they'd better not say it to a patient or a patient's family. Let them
go practice on cows instead of people. Would they get it if we told them it
was "bad for business"?
> Also in the mid 80s- early 90s the Social Security Administration made
> it easier for low income, & AFDC families to get extra assistance
> through SSI for disabled children. This made it more likely for poor
> families to push for a diagnosis, taking in "that lazy kid" to find
> out if maybe something really was medically wrong, and even in some
> cases having kids fake learning disabilities so the family could get
> another $100- 200 per month. The number of SSI applications for
> children sky rocketed, the number of Dx for just about ANYTHING sky
> rocketed. Maybe, this jump in rates of asthma, allergies, and autism
> as well as other LDs was because NOW parents were pushing the system
> to Dx and treat kids that used to struggle with these things and
> usually get blown off as "lazy" or "stupid" by the prior system.
>
> This is just about the time that the "OMG vaccines cause autism" panic
> started... statistics is rarely a good way to establish cause and
> effect relationships if one isn't seeing the other factors that might
> be affecting the statistics.
I'm not a scientist in the true sense of the word but when case after case
presents with such alarmingly co-incidental signs & symptoms and the single
common denominator, I have to say, I'm swayed by the statistics. I think
there are numerous studies from Norway, Switzerland and Central Europe to
corroborate the claims.
> What MIGHT be affecting the cancer/polio vaccine statistics is a) the
> baby boomers, have been hitting and passing the ages where there
> parents were dead or dying. b) baby boomers have been caring for aging
> and dying parents c) Technology to detect and treat cancers has grown
> exponentially since the 50s! They catch them sooner... people die and
> we now can blame the cancers, where as a generation ago people were
> "just old" or "sickly and unlucky". d) more and more people are
> surviving cancers that used to kill people even before medicine could
> tell what was wrong with them. When we know cancer survivors, it
> doesn't become that "secret terror" anymore. People TALK about
> having, & recovering from cancer.
More people = more diease. Better technology = more correct diagnoses.
Unfortunately, more doctors and more medicine does not seem to equal better
treatment or care for many of us. To get medical care in this country, you
either have to be dirt poor - on AFDC, or be rich as Bill Gates. Everything
in between is the luck of the draw. We cannot rationalize this away.
> So maybe the actual rate of cancer cases is the same, just the
> diagnosis, reporting and culture of being able to talk about cancer,
> makes it seem like there is a lot more of it.
>
>
I'd like to tell you you're right TK but I've done my homework.
MK
Mariah Kaze
"Ali" <lal...@yadda.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:05:26 -0600, Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>We won't have to control population. They've done it for us.
>>
>> <how many people have I shed this virus to in my lifetime????>
>>
>> MK <going to bed>
> And now a pome by Henry Gibson:
>
> Geez, Louise,
> Obsessed with disease?
> wheeze, wheeze...
> Puh-lease!
<just what I need, another armchair psychiatrist>
You're trying to humor me?
My middle name *is* Louise - no kidding:)
MK
Mariah Kaze
I guess I should just plagarize all of the articles? You guys are making me
work hard for this one LOL
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/bayly.html#THE%20SALK%20VACCINE%20DISASTER
The Salk vaccine contamination story crept on cat's feet on July 26, 1961,
onto page 33 of the New York Times. It reported Merck and other
manufacturers had halted production until they could get "monkey virus" out
of the vaccine. Asked for comments, the US PHS said there was no evidence
the virus was dangerous. Except, of course, to the 20 baby hamsters it blew
away.
In 1962, a Harvard epidemiologist, Dr. Joseph Fraumeni, joined the National
Cancer Institute and was assigned to find out if there was any cancer
increase among those injected with the Salk vaccine. With two Colleagues,
Fraumeni tested vaccine samples from May and June of 1955, the first months
of the national immunization campaign. Then they ranked the samples
according to "no," "low" or "high" amounts of SV40 they contained.
It was the only time US health officials would measure such level in the
55-62 vaccine. Stored samples were later dumped. Fraumeni pinpointed states
where contaminated vaccines were distributed during the key months.
California received a vaccine with a low level of the virus. The study also
looked at cancer death rates for 6-to-8-year olds vaccinated during that
narrow time frame and tracked the group for four years.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml
<am going to have to organize my favorites folder if you're not going to
read for yourself>
MK
fred kepler
The question is this: was he also a Republican social butterfly?
fred kepler
Yes it does.
KittyP
"Mariah Kaze" <maria...@bresnan.net> wrote in message
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Only people who have never had life threatening bacterial infections would
even worry about the potential of mutating future bacteria and not use
anti-bacterial soap. I tell people who make those kinds of comments at my
house to use the 'other' soap and take their chances about whether whatever
bacteria that put me in the hospital is still in the house. heh
As for vaccines. Have you had polio or smallpox? Know anyone personally who
has lately?
Kitty
Love
maria...@bresnan.net says...
It's probably not uncommon to reason that since domestic
US standards probably err far on the side of caution it
is not ethically problematic to use things that don't
meet US standards when outside of the US and it could in
fact be unethical to NOT use them if they are available
and if there is no evidence that they will cause more
harm than they will prevent
Love
Okay, we are on the same wavelength here, to a degree.
This effect can happen without anyone ever making a
conscious decision -- without a conspiracy. And in
this case if it IS a conspiracy, it includes the
women's movement.
>I learned as a paramedic that my job was not "saving lives" but that I might
>just get lucky enough to witness God saving one sometimes.
Your job of course was following procedures.
Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!
I still see no description of vaccines being "outlawed". The
onlinejournal article you cite above refers to "Stored samples were
later dumped." Not the same thing.
The same article describes the evidence linking cancer to the vaccines.
In 1962 Fraumeni found:
"Findings, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association,
showed no significant difference in cancer deaths in states with high or
low levels of SV40 in the vaccine when compared with cancer deaths in
states with no SV40 in the vaccine."
Then in 1976:
"Yet some 14 years later, after “isolated reports” linking the virus to
human cancers, Fraumeni deemed another group should be looked at that
had received contaminated vaccine. This group was the subject of trials
conducted in the early '60s at Cleveland Metropolitan general Hospital.
To see the effect of different amounts of SV40 in vaccines, hospital
researchers inoculated newborns from mostly lower-income black families.
Noticeably, doses ranged up to more than 100 times the dose recommended
for adults, not a nice thing to do to those black kids.
The experiments spanned three years, involving 1,073 infants. The
majority were given Sabin oral, which later was shown to contain SV40. A
1982 report in the New England Journal of Medicine hedged the study’s
limitations: that a majority of the kids had not responded; but
SV40-related cancers could take longer than 17 to 19 years to appear;
and SV40 appeared less likely to infect humans through the oral vaccine."
Even with exposure to 100 times the adult dose of vaccine given to
newborn black babies (!) "A majority of the kids had not responded".
My point for bringing this up is to show that there was no conclusive
evidence to assume high levels of cancer in the vaccines when they were
given to the Africans. There was, however, an epidemic of polio in
Africa and large numbers were dying. The contaminated vaccines would
still immunize against polio and save more lives than the tenuous link
to cancer would take.
I repeat my question: "If you were the administrator and you were
faced with the decision to use the vaccine why would you have done
differently?"
Don
Love
>
>"Love" <no....@from.you.bub> wrote in message
>news:f3256$47fceb1b$4038ecbe$21...@PRIMUS.CA...
>> In article <dn1Lj.7274$BT1.5928@trnddc04>, donshep...@verizon.net
>> says...
>>>
>>>Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>>> "Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net> wrote
>>>> in
>>>> message news:E4XKj.17690$4Q1.12618@trnddc06...
>[...]
>>>
>>>So, which is worse, polio or cancer? And numerically speaking, how much
>>>worse? Once we have that, we can do the math and say whether the vaccine
>>>was bad or good for humanity.
>>
>> Not really. We have to consider all vaccinations in balance
>> not just one. Folks who are paranoid incorrectly use single
>> instances to generalise.
>>
>Dr Viera Scheibner describes herself as a retired principal research
>scientist. She has a PhD in micropaleontology and in 1993 published a book -
>Vaccination 100 Years of Orthodox Research shows that Vaccines Represent a
>Medical Assault on the Immune System
Another person who wrote a book challenging the establishment.
Pardon me if I don't have time to read.
>I just love it when I can sit in on these Armchair Psychiatric Board
>meetings. ;)
Ah, is that what absfg is? :)
>Should Anti-bacterial soap containers be marked as Hazarous Waste?
Oooh, a poll question. Okay, I say they should be
outlawed and their purveyors should be marked as
hazardous waste. Or shot and pissed on.
Love
Actually, it's the other way around. If one has a life
threatening bacterial infection one is sure to understand
why it's important to not create mutated super-strains of
bacteria.
> I tell people who make those kinds of comments at my
>house to use the 'other' soap and take their chances about whether whatever
>bacteria that put me in the hospital is still in the house. heh
When someone tells me that, I leave, trying to hold
my breath all the way to the door. :)
--
Love, whose last ear infection took three separate
rounds of antibiotics to clear and who now has an
antibacterial-soap-free house.
dt
Or nicking yourself with a knife while cleaning, or... But no, it *had*
to be black men having homosexual intercourse with monkeys.
DT
Ali
Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!
Ali
wrote:
>In article <HpKdnb-KVYPV72Da...@bresnan.com>, maria...@bresnan.net says...
>>
>Ah, is that what absfg is? :)
>
>
>>Should Anti-bacterial soap containers be marked as Hazarous Waste?
>
>Oooh, a poll question. Okay, I say they should be
>outlawed and their purveyors should be marked as
>hazardous waste. Or shot and pissed on.
A pox on your poll and a plague on your theory!
dt
Really?
"They said that Louise was not half bad..." ;-)
DT
dt
Definitely a Republican. I'm sure any social-butterflyness would be
confined to fellow churchmembers.
DT
Sevenhundred Elves
>Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon! wrote:
>
>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>
>>> "Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote in message news:dn1Lj.7274$BT1.5928@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!" <donshep...@verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote in message news:E4XKj.17690$4Q1.12618@trnddc06...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mariah Kaze wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Not just cancer. We did this too.
>>>
>>> http://www.avert.org/aafrica.htm
>>> from this article:
>>> 'Sub-Saharan Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any
>>> other region of the world. An estimated 22.5 million people were
>>> living with HIV at the end of 2007 and approximately 1.7 million
>>> additional people were infected with HIV during that year. In just the
>>> past year, the AIDS epidemic in Africa has claimed the lives of an
>>> estimated 1.6 million people in this region. More than eleven million
>>> children have been orphaned by AIDS.1 '
>>>
>>> Polio, in the worst epidemics, affected 125,000 people a year.
>>> Franklin Roosevelt had polio as a child and was the single most
>>> influential person in the world for financing Salk & Sabin in
>>> developing the Polio Vaccine that made this disease "eradicated" in
>>> the West. We've innoculated the Planet.
>>>
>>> I have to let the bean counters do the math?
>>>
>>> MK
>>
>>
>> I fail to see the connection between polio and AIDS. Could you explain
>> that?
>>
>> Don
>
>AIDS was explained to me by a good Baptist churck deacon back in the
>late '80s: since there are only two ways to spread the disease (at least
>known back then), intravenous drug use and homosexual sex, it's highly
>unlikely that anybody is sharing needles with monkeys. Therefore, the
>only logical conclusion is that African men are having sex with monkeys.
> MALE monkeys.
>
>DT
That's absurd. They have simply killed and eaten some of these
monkeys. They used to be taboo, but other game got scarce, and
Christian missionaries taught that taboos were only heathen
superstition anyway, so the taboo was broken. I suppose your Baptist
deacon was trying to cover up the sinister role of the missionaries in
this tragic matter.
There's no connection with polio that I'm aware of.
S.
Bill Pfeifer
Ali
a churck deacon, eh? Like Churck Norris? Scary thought.
>That's absurd. They have simply killed and eaten some of these
>monkeys. They used to be taboo, but other game got scarce, and
>Christian missionaries taught that taboos were only heathen
>superstition anyway, so the taboo was broken. I suppose your Baptist
>deacon was trying to cover up the sinister role of the missionaries in
>this tragic matter.
>
>There's no connection with polio that I'm aware of.
>
>S.
Wow. Ya think?
They've always eaten monkeys in Africa. There's even a song about it.
Taboo only in selective theaters where restrictions may apply.
No Body
>
>> It seems that like the vaccines=autism idea, they're missing a lot of
>> OTHER things that contribute to peaks in statistics. It's not always
>> A happened, then B happened, so A must cause B.
>
>
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/280208autism.htm
>
> The Court has conceded the case, TK. Autism and vaccines are irrevocably
> linked.
>
Sorry.. but courts only prove one thing.. On that day one side had a lawyer
that was better at swaying the judge or jury than the other side...
They often don't get the facts straight, and they even don't get "justice"
right, a good part of the time. (look at the number of capitol murder
convictions overturned, if you'd like to get a feel for the "quality"
of the results.)
The standard of proof in a civil case is astonishingly low.
If a US civil court ruled that it was daylight outside, I'd check my
watch and want 10 unimpeachable witnesses, preferably astronomers,
to testify to the state of daylightness, before I'd believe it.
Mariah Kaze
"No Body" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:slrng1fppl...@hub.fern.com...
I agree with all of the above. What is meant here is that now that this
case has been decided in favor of the autistic girl <she had the strongest
case, hence the first court date> the other pending cases will be based on
this precedent. The case was conceeded by the US Dept of Heath (the
government) who realized that it would be cheaper to settle than to fight
the next 5,000 cases. In conceeding, there will be a *no fault* clause in
the setlements - effectively preventing future suits. That's the way this
goverment does things - the most expedient things. Thimerisol has been
eliminated from the vaccines. Now they are *safe*???
MK<not getting any *More* shots>
No Body
>
> Thimerisol has been
> eliminated from the vaccines. Now they are *safe*???
>
> MK<not getting any *More* shots>
>
I do hope you keep that position, if you are ever faced with an epidemic
outbreak, of say, polio.
As one who has "been there, done that", I'll be glad there is vaccine
left over so I can get a booster.
It's amazing how "brave" people can be, when they aren't facing a
current, menacing threat.
With current vaccination levels in the US, an outbreak is not
out of the question.
Mariah Kaze
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 08:31:24 -0600, Mariah Kaze <maria...@bresnan.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thimerisol has been
>> eliminated from the vaccines. Now they are *safe*???
>>
>> MK<not getting any *More* shots>
>>
>
> I do hope you keep that position, if you are ever faced with an epidemic
> outbreak, of say, polio.
Erhhh - I already had the polio vaccine - and Hep B and Smallpoox and DPT
and Flu vaccine and pneumonia and all of them...... Polio vaccine gave me
polio.
> As one who has "been there, done that", I'll be glad there is vaccine
> left over so I can get a booster.
Go for it. Whatever you decide is right for you.
> It's amazing how "brave" people can be, when they aren't facing a
> current, menacing threat.
Oh, I giuess it is better to die at 50 of a vaccine induced cancer (read
about mesothelioma) than it is to die at say 18, when you're still a viable
part of the gene pool..... no menacing threat?
> With current vaccination levels in the US, an outbreak is not
> out of the question.
And we'll cuill all the older generation of people so that the world will be
free - to adopt anarchy, I suppose.
Bravery and acceptaance are two different things.
MK