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On 14 Oct, 12:17, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The atheist say they don't believe in
> > *Angels* or *Gods*... but how come
> > they can't stop Hounding, Pestering,
> > Badgering, Bullying/Cr*pping them?
>
> Now you claim to be god?

Angels are Gods, Critter & you, HVAC,
claim to be an ~ Atheist ~; that does'nt
believe in God, or Gods. So, how come
you're even talking to me and what right
do you have to accuse or even question
me?

By your own Bigoted 'and' Hypocritical
standards you have shown yourself up
to be 'Quite Mad', Obessively Calling a
Deisty= OCD, & the same goes for the
rest of your ~Atheist Pack~.

LOL...

Don't you just Luv it when the tables are
turned on ~them~ *:)

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

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On 14 Oct, 12:16, "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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> > "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:ed675e85-7bb4-4e7e...@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
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> > > The atheist say they don't believe in
> > > *Angels* or *Gods*... but how come
> > > they can't stop Hounding, Pestering,
> > > Badgering, Bullying/Cr*pping them?
>
> > Now you claim to be god?
>
> Angels are Gods, Critter & you, HVAC,
> claim to be an ~ Atheist ~; that doesn't
> believe in God, or Gods. So, how come
> you're even talking to me and what right
> do you have to accuse or even question
> me?
>
> By your own Bigoted 'and' Hypocritical
> standards you have shown yourself up
> to be 'Quite Mad', Obessively Calling a
> Deity= OCD, 'and' the same goes for the

HVAC

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"*_//!!_//!!*" <har...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> > Now you claim to be god?
>>
>> Angels are Gods, Critter & you, HVAC,
>> claim to be an ~ Atheist ~; that doesn't
>> believe in God, or Gods. So, how come
>> you're even talking to me and what right
>> do you have to accuse or even question
>> me?
>>
>> By your own Bigoted 'and' Hypocritical
>> standards you have shown yourself up
>> to be 'Quite Mad', Obessively Calling a
>> Deity= OCD, 'and' the same goes for the
>> rest of your ~Atheist Pack~.
>>
>> LOL...
>>
>> Don't you just Luv it when the tables are
>> turned on ~them~ *:)

I've got an idea! Let's pretend that you replying to me
twice was just a 'mistake' and not OCD. Sound good?

--
The world will scream out, "Help Us!"

I'll answer, "No".


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> & >>> >

*I*'ve got a Better Idea! Why don't you just stick to your
Atheist Principles and stop calling me? That way you 'and'
Vile, Atheist NUTS won't look like the complete IDIOTS
and A*SHOLES that you've thus far shown yourselves up
to be.

Hope 'that' *Truth Tablet* Helps!

*Hallelujah*

*Amen

HVAC

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>> I've got an idea! Let's pretend that you replying to me
>> twice was just a 'mistake' and not OCD. Sound good?
>
> *I*'ve got a Better Idea! Why don't you just stick to your
> Atheist Principles and stop calling me?


OK. When your phone doesn't ring, that'll be me calling.


--
1- Never say anything in writing, much less email.
2- Never say over the phone what you can say in person.
3- Never speak when you can nod.
4- Never nod when you can smile.


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> "*_//!!_//!!*" <har...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>>
> I've got an idea! Let's pretend that you replying to me
> twice was just a 'mistake' and not OCD. Sound good?
>>
>> *I*'ve got a Better Idea! Why don't you just stick to your
>> Atheist Principles and stop calling me?
>
>
> OK. When your phone doesn't ring, that'll be me calling.

*I* DO NOT want or need a Harrassing phone-call...Creep,
nor a Harrassing phone-call Coward, Atheist or no Atheist.

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

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> > I've got an idea!  Let's pretend that you replying to me
> > twice was just a 'mistake' and not OCD.  Sound good?
>
> >> *I*'ve got a Better Idea! Why don't you just stick to your
> >> Atheist Principles and stop calling me?
>
> > OK. When your phone doesn't ring, that'll be me calling.
>
> *I* DO NOT want or need a Harrassing phone-call...Creep,
> nor a Harrassing phone-call Coward, Atheist or no Atheist.
>
> *Hallelujah*
>
> *Amen*


Really must know Mohammed


..... REALLY ( YOU MUST KNOW MOHAMMED )


Therefore, I will highlight upon mistakes made by author ......
from
the eyes of Arab and Islamic


( QUOTES) AND MY REPLY UPON IT


he was says....


if you don't do everything like Mohammed did it, you will go to
hell. ""


In his words and his actions as( ROLE MODEL) it called ( SUNNAH )


WHAT ( SUNNAH)
Linguistically, Sunnah is an Arabic word which means a path or a way.
However, Islaamically, it is a primary source of law taken from the
sayings, actions and approvals of the Prophet Muhammad. As Muslims we
believe that the law Prophet Muhammad came with, is a divine
revelation from our Creator, Allaah. However many people believe that
the Qur'aan is the only form of divine revelation, as it is the
literal word of Allaah. This view is incorrect as it contradicts the
Qur'aan itself. About the Prophet Muhammad, Allaah says: “Your
companion (Muhammad) is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he
speak of his own desire. It is (only) the revelation with which he is
inspired” (Surah An-Najm 53:2-4). Thus as Muslims, we are required to
believe that the Qur'aan and Sunnah go hand in hand together as our
sources of legislated law. Both are revelation from Allaah, the most
High. The Qur'aan is composed of the actual words of Allaah, whereas
the Sunnah is expressed through the words, actions and approvals of
the Prophet Muhammad. Another difference is that the Qur'aan is
recited formally in the prayers whereas the Sunnah is not.


As a way of life, Islaam is perfect and complete. However, such are
the times that we live in, that some of the liberal elite from the
Muslims choose to deny aspects of Islaam to suit their own desires.
It
is even more sad, that many choose to deny the Sunnah in particular.
However this is clearly wrong, as the saying of the Prophet
indicates:
“I have been given the Qur'aan and something similar to it besides
it.
Yet a time will come when a man leaning on his couch will say ‘follow
the Qur'aan only; what you find in it permissible, take as
permissible, and what you find as forbidden, take as forbidden’. But
verily what the Messenger of Allaah has forbidden is like what Allaah
has forbidden”[1]. The words of the Arabian Prophet ring truthfully
in
our ears again. Today there are a group of people in Pakistan called
the Pervezies who say exactly as the Prophet foretold. They firmly
insist that the Qur'aan is the only source of law to be followed.
Thus, they neither consider the Sunnah a source of law, nor a
regulation of our daily affairs. This has led to many Muslim scholars
declaring (and rightly so) that the Pervezies are not Muslims. So…


IS IT OBLIGATORY TO FOLLOW THE ( SUNNAH) ?
Obeying Allaah is without doubt, obligatory. So when Allaah says:
“Whosoever obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed


Allaah” (Surah An-Nisa 4:80), it should be clear that one has obeyed
Allaah by obeying the Messenger. Furthermore


Muhammad said: “…whosoever disobeys me, disobeys Allaah”[3].
Following
the Sunnah is clearly an obligation upon every Muslim.


The obligation is stressed even more when Allaah says: “But no, by
your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you (O’ Muhammad)
judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no
resistance against your decisions, and accept them with full
submission” (Sura An-Nisa 4:65) and :


“It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has
been decreed by Allaah and His Messenger to have any


choice in the matter. If anyone disobeys Allaah and His Messenger he
is clearly astray” (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:36). As


Muslims we know that when Allaah or His Messenger decree something
for
us, it will always benefit us, even if we do not realize it. Thus,
submitting to the Messenger is only there for our benefit and not to
oppress us, as some mistakenly
believe.


It must also be remembered that besides being the Messenger of
Allaah,
Muhammad was an Arab man living in seventh


century Arabia. This meant that he had his own personal tastes and
preferences just like any other mortal. These


preferences are clearly distinguished from the Islamic law which is
binding upon everyone. Thus, his personal Sunnah is


clearly distinct from the legal Sunnah which he brought. An example
of
this distinction is when the Prophet came to Madeenah[4] and found
the
inhabitants artificially pollinating the date palm trees. When he
asked them why they did so, they replied that it was their habit. He
suggested to them that maybe if they did not do it; it may be better.
So they gave


it up and the following year their crop was greatly diminished. When
they told him of this he replied: “I am only a human being. When I
issue any command to you regarding your religion, then accept it, but
when I issue any command to you based on my own opinion, I am merely
a
human being”[5].


Islaam is a religion which singles out Allaah alone for worship. It
is
for this reason that the possibility of Muhammad being anything more
than a man, is totally absurd. As him being the Messenger of Allaah
we
believe that his Sunnah is infallible, but at the same time we
maintain a perfect balance by remembering the words of Allaah: “Say
(O’ Muhammad) : ‘I am only a man like you (except that) it has been
revealed to me that your God is one God” (Surah Al-Kahf 18:110). True
Muslims will follow Muhammad, not worship him. So…


he was says ....
"we can probably know more about the personal details of Mohammed's
life than
we do, for instance, George Washington. "


We are talking to the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him not ordinary
person


he was says......


'''' Let's take a very small item. Have you ever been watching a
news
broadcast and there's some Islamic leader from the Middle East and
he's talking and he's angry, perhaps he's shouting. Why do they do
this? One simple reason: Mohammed was easily angered. This is
recorded
in both the Sira and the Hadith, so when you see a Muslim who is
quick
to anger, he is simply imitating Mohammed. '''


allah said about mohammed (quran) ""AND VERILY FOR YOU ( O MUHAMMAD )
Peace be upon him
WILL BE ENDLESS REWARD ""


he was says ....
''
Now we come to Mohammed. Mohammed has influenced the deaths through
his principle of jihad and aggressive politics of 270 million people.
''


NOT TRUE .....The Prophet Muhammad is introduced in the Qur'an in
these words:[And We have not sent you forth but as a mercy to
mankind.] (Al-Anbiyaa': 107)


This shows that his distinctive quality was that he was a blessing
incarnate in word and deed.


When the Prophet's opponents greatly increased their persecution, his
Companions asked him to curse them. At this the Prophet replied, “I
have not been sent to lay a curse upon men but to be a blessing to
them.” His opponents continued to treat him and his Companions
unjustly and cruelly, but he always prayed for them.


Once he was so badly stoned by his enemies that the blood began to
spurt from all over his body. This happened when he went to Ta'if,
where the Hijaz aristocracy used to while away their summer days.
When
he attempted to call them to Islam, instead of listening to his words
of wisdom, they set the street urchins upon him, who kept chasing him
till nightfall. Even at that point, when he was utterly exhausted and
bleeding from head to foot, all he said was, “O my Lord, guide my
people along the true path, as they are ignorant of the truth.”


His heart was filled with intense love for all human kind
irrespective
of caste, creed, or color. Once he advised his Companions to regard
all people as their brothers and sisters. He added, “You are all
Adam's offspring and Adam was born of clay.”


All this tells us what kind of awareness he wanted to bring about in
man. His mission was to bring people abreast of the reality that all
men and women, although inhabiting different regions of the world,
and
seemingly different from one another as regards their color,
language,
dress, culture, etc., were each other's blood brothers. Hence a
proper
relationship will be established between all human beings only if
they
regard one another as sisters and brothers. Only then will proper
feelings of love and respect prevail throughout the world.


According to a hadith, the Prophet once said, “A true believer is one
with whom others feel secure. One who returns love for hatred.” The
Prophet made it clear that one who would only return love for love
was
on a lower ethical plane. We should never think that we should treat
people well only if they treat us well. We should, rather, be
accustomed to being good to those who are not good to us and to not
wronging those who harm us.


The Prophet once borrowed some money from a Jew. After a few days the
Jew came to demand payment of his debt. The Prophet told him that at
that moment he had nothing to pay him with. The Jew said that he
wouldn't let him go until he had paid him back. And so the Jew stayed
there, from morning till night, holding the Prophet captive. At that
time the Prophet was the established ruler of Madinah and could have
easily taken action against him. His Companions naturally wanted to
rebuke the man and chase him away. But the Prophet forbade this,
saying, “The Lord has forbidden us to wrong anyone.” The Jew
continued
to hold the Prophet captive until the following morning. But with the
first light of dawn, the Jew was moved by the Prophet's tolerance,
and
he thereupon embraced Islam. In spite of being a rich man, he had
detained the Prophet the day before on account of a few pence. But
now
the Prophet's noble conduct had had such an impact on him that he was
willing to give all his wealth to the Prophet, saying, “Spend it as
you please.”
The Prophet's own example was testified to by Anas ibn Malik, who
served the Prophet for ten years. He said that the Prophet never ever
rebuked him. “When I did something, he never questioned my manner of
doing it; and when I did not do something, he never questioned my
failure to do it. He was the most good-natured of all men.” Such
conduct gained him the respect even of his enemies, and his followers
stood by him through all kinds of hardship and misfortune. He applied
the principles on which his own life was based in equal measure to
those who followed his path and to those who had harmed or
discountenanced him.


The Prophet's entire life served as a perfect example of this
principle. According to his wife 'A'ishah, “He was a personification
of the Qur'an.”


That is to say, the Prophet molded his own life in accordance with
the
ideal pattern of life that he presented to others in the form of the
Qur'an. He never beat a servant, or a woman, or anyone else. He did,
of course, fight for what was right. Yet, when he had to choose
between two alternatives, he would take the easier course, provided
it
involved no sin. No one was more careful to avoid sin than he. He
never sought revenge on his own behalf for any wrong done to him
personally. Only if God's commandments had been broken would he mete
out retribution for the sake of God. It was such conduct which gained
the Prophet universal respect.


In the early Makkan period when the antagonists far exceeded the
Prophet's Companions in number, it often happened that when the
Prophet would stand to pray, his detractors would come near him and
whistle and clap in order to disturb him, but the Prophet did not
even
once show his anger at such acts. He always opted for the policy of
tolerance and avoidance of confrontation.


When the opposition became very strong, the Prophet left Makkah for
Madinah. But his antagonists did not leave him in peace. They began
to
attack Madinah. In this way a state of war prevailed between the
Muslims and non-Muslims.


Since the Prophet avoided war at all costs, he strove to bring about
a
peace agreement between him and the Makkans. After great efforts on
his part, the non-Muslims agreed to the finalizing of a 10-year peace
treaty, which was drafted and signed at Al-Hudaybiyyah.


While the Hudaybiyyah treaty was being drafted, the Makkans indulged
in a number of extremely provocative acts. For instance, the
agreement
mentioned the Prophet's name as “Muhammad the Messenger of Allah.”
They insisted that the phrase “the Messenger of Allah” be taken out
and replaced by “son of Abdullah.” The Prophet accepted their
unreasonable condition and deleted the appellation with his own
hands.
Similarly, they made the condition that if they could lay their hands
on any Muslim they would make him a hostage, but if the Muslims
succeeded in detaining any non-Muslim, they would have to set him
free. The Prophet even relented on this point. For the restoration of
peace in the region, the Prophet accepted a number of such
unjustifiable clauses that were added by the enemy. In this way he
set
the example of peace and tolerance being linked with one another. If
we desire peace, we must tolerate many unpleasant things from others.
There is no other way to establish peace in society.


Once the Prophet was seated at some place in Madinah, along with his
Companions. During this time a funeral procession passed by. On
seeing
this, the Prophet stood up. One of his Companion remarked that the
funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, “Was he not a human
being?”


This incident illustrates how an atmosphere of mutual love and
compassion was brought abt by mohammad (SAW).


Mohammad (SAW) multiple marriages. {he married 11 times}
The Prophet's multiple marriages have their own wisdom and purpose
ordained by Allah Almighty. In this he is no different than previous
prophets such as Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Ya'qub (Jacob),
Dawud (David), etc., who all had more than one wife. It is wrong to
judge them by the standards of our modern secular values and ideals.


If we approach the marriages of the Prophet (peace and blessings be
upon him) based on his mission in light of the milieu he was called
upon to fulfill, it is not hard to discover that his marriages were
never primarily motivated by sexual considerations. Rather, they had
much higher purposes in the divine plan. These goals were mainly
related to his mission of unifying Arabs, and also, not less
importantly, intended to set standards for reforming intractable
customs that had caused so much misery and destruction for humanity.


Arabs before the rise of Islam were a race who fought relentlessly
for
even the most trivial matters, and no one before the Prophet (peace
and blessings be upon him) had ever succeeded in unifying them. The
Prophet unified them; marriage proved to be one of the means of
achieving this unity. Again, marriage to a widow was a curse in
Arabia
as well in other major parts of the world.


A still important factor to consider: The most sexually active phase
in anyone's life is before he reaches the age of fifty. We must
remember that in this phase, the Prophet had only one wife, Khadijah,
who was fifteen years older than him. The Prophet married her when he
was twenty-five and she was forty years. She died at the age of
sixty-
five. It was only after her death and in Madinah, after he had
dedicated himself to the task of building a nation, that he married a
number of women belonging to different Arab clans, most of them
widows. By marrying them he was setting a precedent to reverse the
taboo of widow marriage. Secondly, he was paying back his due to some
of the companions who had perished in battles leaving behind widows
with children, just as he was also seeking to unify the Arab tribes.
Such a function of marriage is inconceivable for us today.


Having said this, I must, however, further add: We need not apologize
for the Islamic teachings concerning human sexuality. Unlike some
religions that hold very negative views of sexuality, Islam
celebrates
sexuality within the framework of marriage, and looks at it in a
fairly positive light, and the Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings
be upon him) best represents this ideal.


The question of the Prophet's multiple marriage (more then those
allowed for other people) should never pose a problem for the
faithful
when they heed the statement of Allah in the Qur'an concerning his
marriages: “(Hence) no blame whatever attaches to the Prophet for
(having done) what God has ordained for him. (Indeed, such was) God's
way with those that have passed away afore-time- and remember that
God's will is always destiny absolute!” (Al-Ahzab: 38).""


As regard your question, I'd like to make it clear in the very
beginning that Prophet’s marriage to 'Aisha, the Mother of the
Faithful, has always been a subject of attack and criticism by the
enemies of Islam as she was seven when he married her. First of all,
we want to clarify to people who view this marriage as some sort of
brutal act and child abuse that they should try to understand the
main
purpose of this marriage and the condition of the Prophet, peace and
blessings be upon him, before the marriage.


As for the purpose of this marriage, it was purely for sociopolitical
reason. The Prophet’s main concern was the future of Islam. He was
interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. This also
explains the reason why he married the daughter of 'Umar, his Second
Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwayriyyah that he gained the
support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani Al-Mustaliq and their
allied tribes. It was through his marriage to Safiyyah that he
neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By
accepting Mariya, the Copt from Egypt, as his wife, he formed a
political alliance with a king of great magnitude. So his marriage to
'Aisha could never be of anything save cementing his relation with
Abu
Bakr, 'Aisha’s father.


it was a purely sublime aim and purpose that motivated him to marry
'Aisha. That’s why the marriage was not


consummated until sometime after the emigration to Madinah, when she
had reached maturity. The motives of this


marriage can be understood to be anything except passion and physical
attraction. However, he lived with her, in addition to Sawdah, for
five to six years, when he was 56 years of age, without taking any
other wife.


One important point we have to clarify here is that the Prophet,
peace
and blessings be upon him, when proposing


to 'Aisha, was not the first suitor, for, according to many
historians, Jubair ibn Mut'am proposed to her before the Prophet,


peace and blessings for him. This gives an indication that 'Aisha,
may Allah be pleased with her, was mature enough for marriage at that
age according to the customs of those days.
It should be noted that in the hot regions, it’s normal for a girl to
attain maturity at a very early age. Thus the case is


totally different from that which does exist in the cold regions
where
a girl does not attain puberty before 21 (Note:


Physicians maintain that the age of puberty in the cold regions
normally ranges from 9 to 16). At all rates, it should be


stressed that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, on
marrying 'Aisha, never aimed at fulfilling a lust or


satisfying a desire; rather, his aim was to strengthen his relation
with the most beloved Companion of his.


When 'Aisha reached the Prophet’s house, Sawdah gave her the first
place and took care of her till her death.


. Afterwards, 'Aisha remained a faithful wife to the Prophet, peace
and blessings be upon him; her 10 years of marriage were of the life
of a fully dedicated disciple, trainee and scholarly student in the
noble Prophetic school. She was the


source of knowledge for almost every Companion. She was of the main
sources for revealing knowledge and information of the private life
of
the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. She was a big celebrity
in politics and the best example of generosity.


The Prophet’s love for 'Aisha was a sign of his love for her father.
On being asked about the dearest person to his heart, the Prophet,
peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned 'Aisha. Then, on being
asked about the dearest man to him and he, peace and blessings be
upon
him, mentioned her father, Abu Bakr.


ALSO he was says.....
''Mohammed was very aggressive in pushing his message. So much so
that
he irritated the Meccans. He was not very successful as a
consequence,
and over the next 13 years, in spite of his daily preaching, he
failed
to gain many followers. He was argumentative and caused trouble, but
the Meccans couldn't do anything about him because he was protected
by
his uncle who had some power within Mecca. Then, his protector died,
and the Meccans told Mohammed, "You'll have leave. We're sick and
tired of living with you. You've created dissension and distress and
suffering within our community." So Mohammed went north 100 miles to
a
town called Medina. '''


HERE..... STARTED ( story of immigration ) ( HIJRAH) .....
HERE..... APPEARED MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD ....
AND PROTECTION OF GOD TO MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM ....


READ THAT ...............Although Muslims do not actually celebrate
the Muslim new year in the way other people celebrate their
respective
new year, the first day of the lunar month of Muharram is a legal
holiday in many Muslim countries.


The Islamic calendar is counted from the year of Prophet Muhammad’s
flight from Makkah to Madinah in September 622 CE, known as the
Hijrah
(or hegira in English from Latin from Arabic). This journey is one of
the most important events in Islamic history.


The early Muslims in Makkah were harshly persecuted and tortured by
the ruling pagan Quraysh tribe. The Muslims were few in number and
many of them were slaves. With no power to repel their persecutors,
they could only wait patiently until Allah (God) opened a way for
them.


In the twelfth year of the Prophet’s mission, 12 men from the city of
Yathrib (later to be known as Madinah) came to Makkah during the Hajj
season and met with Muhammad at Al-`Aqabah. Having heard of his
mission, they became Muslim and pledged their faith in the first
covenant of Al-`Aqabah. The Prophet sent Mus`ab ibn `Umayr back to
Yathrib with them to teach them the religion. Mus`ab succeeded in
converting many of the people of Yathrib to Islam. The following
year,
in June 622 CE, 73 men and 2 women from Yathrib came to the Prophet
during the Hajj and pledged allegiance to him in the second covenant
of Al-`Aqabah. They promised to protect him and help the Muslims of
Makkah to resettle in their city.


This delegation was the core of what came to be known as Al-Ansar,
the
Helpers, the Muslims who were natives of Yathrib, later known as Al-
Madinah Al-Munawwara—the Illuminated City—or Madinah. The Muslims
gradually left Makkah a few at a time so as not to attract the
attention of the Quraysh. Eventually the Quraysh realized what was
happening and tried to stop many of them from leaving. History tells
many stories of these men and women who gave up their homes, wealth,
and families to be able to freely practice their religion in Madinah.


Only after several months did Allah grant the Prophet (peace and
blessings be upon him) permission to leave Makkah. Shortly before his
departure, Jibreel (Angel Gabriel) told Muhammad that the Quraysh had
devised a plot to stab him while he was sleeping. On the night of the
planned assassination, his cousin `Ali ibn Abi Talib slept in
Muhammad’s bed while the latter escaped with his friend Abu Bakr As-
Siddiq to a cave south of Makkah, opposite the direction to Madinah.
Fortunately for `Ali, the assassins looked at his face before
stabbing
him and left him alone when they realized they had been outwitted.


Muhammad and Abu Bakr hid in the cave for three days while the
Quraysh
searched all around Makkah. At one point, their enemies were only a
few feet away outside the cave, but Allah protected them by simple
everyday “miracles.” A spider spun its web across the mouth of the
cave, pigeons nested and laid eggs in front of it, and the branches
of
a small tree blocked it. Thus the pursuers assumed no one had entered
the cave recently and did not search it.


The two then made their way, led by a pagan guide, to Madinah via a
coastal route to throw off the pursuit. When they finally arrived in
Madinah, Muhammad let his camel wander where it willed until it sat
in
one place. The owners of the land where the camel sat were paid, and
the Prophet’s mosque and living quarters were built on the site while
the Prophet and Abu Bakr lived as guests of the Ansar.


The Hijrah, at last, gave the Muslims a place where they could openly
declare their Islam and worship in peace. It was the beginning of the
Islamic state. The Qur’anic verses revealed in Makkah had dealt
mainly
with the nature of Allah and man’s relationship to Him. In Makkah,
there had been very few households in which all of the members were
Muslims. At the time, Islam appeared to be concerned only with the
individual and the hereafter. In contrast, the verses revealed in
Madinah dealt more with man’s relationships with others—the social,
political, and economic aspects of Islam that could not be developed
under persecution.


The Hijrah was also significant for the unselfish brotherhood
demonstrated by the Ansar towards the Muhajirun (immigrants from
Makkah). The Ansar were not wealthy, yet they took in the Muhajirun,
shared their food and homes with them, and helped to establish them
in
trade or work. Further, the Ansar were well aware that by doing so
they were challenging the Quraysh and all the pagan tribes of the
whole Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the pagans did launch several
battles
in an attempt to snuff out the nascent Muslim state. But the Ansar
remained faithful followers of the Prophet (peace and blessings be
upon him) and were always loved and praised by him.


It was the second caliph, `Umar ibn Al-Khattab, who chose the year of
Hijrah to be the starting point of the Muslim calendar. Before that,
each province marked the years as the nth year in the reign of so-
and-
so, or the year when such-and-such happened. `Umar standardized the
chronology, and it is significant that he chose the Hijrah—rather
than
the birth or death of Muhammad or the first revelation of the Qur’an—
as the starting point. The Hijrah was the beginning of Islam as a
complete way of life affecting all aspects of Man’s existence.


"" HE WAS SAYS .....
There's one more thing about Mohammed which explains Muslims and
Islam. He never forgot a slight or an insult. Never. When he re-
entered Mecca-this time triumphant after the jihad in Medina-the
first
thing he did, and here we have the essence of the man Mohammed, the
first thing he did was to pray, the second thing he did was to have
all religious art destroyed. So the religious objects of 360
religions""


THAT CALLED ( The Conquest of Makkah )


Ibn Al-Qaiyim described the conquest of Makkah as the greatest one by
which Allâh honoured His religion, Messenger, soldiers and honest
party. He thereby rescued the Sacred House, whose guidance all people
seek. It was the greatest propitious event in heaven and on earth. It
was the most significant prelude to a new era that was to witness the
great march of Islamization and the entry of people into the fold of
Islam in huge hosts. It provided an ever shining face and a most
glowing source of inspiration to the whole earth. [Za'd Al-Ma'ad
2/160]


PRE-CONQUEST EVENTS


According to the terms of the treaty of Hudaibiyah, the Arab tribes
were given the option to join either of the parties, the Muslims or
Quraish, with which they desired to enter into treaty alliance.
Should
any of these tribes suffer aggression, then the party to which it was
allied would have the right to retaliate. As a consequence, Banu Bakr
joined Quraish, and Khuza‘ah joined the Prophet [pbuh]. They thus
lived in peace for sometime but ulterior motives stretching back to
pre-Islamic period ignited by unabated fire of revenge triggered
fresh
hostilities. Banu Bakr, without caring a bit for the provisions of
the
treaty, attacked Banu Khuza‘ah in a place called Al-Wateer in
Sha‘ban,
8 A.H. Quraish helped Banu Bakr with men and arms taking advantage of
the dark night. Pressed by their enemies, the tribesmen of Khuza‘ah
sought the Holy Sanctuary, but here too, their lives were not spared,
and, contrary to all accepted traditions, Nawfal, the chief of Banu
Bakr, chasing them in the sanctified area — where no blood should be
shed — massacred his adversaries.


When the aggrieved party sought justice from their Muslim allies, the
Prophet [pbuh], as their leader, demanded an immediate redress for
not
only violating the treaty but also slaying men allied to him in the
sanctified area. Three demands were made, the acceptance of any one
of
them was imperative:


to pay blood money for the victims of Khuza‘ah,
to terminate their alliance with Banu Bakr; or
to consider the truce to have been nullified.
This behaviour on the part of Quraish was clearly a breach of the
treaty of Al-Hudaibiyah and was obviously an act of hostility against
the allies of the Muslims, i.e. Banu Khuza‘ah. Quraish immediately
realized the grave situation and feared the horrible consequences
looming on the horizon. They immediately called for an emergency
meeting and decided to delegate their chief Abu Sufyan to Madinah for
a renewal of the truce. He directly headed for the house of his
daughter Umm Habiba (the Prophet’s wife). But as he went to sit on
the
Messenger’s carpet, she folded it up. "My daughter," said he, "I
hardly knew if you think the carpet is too good for me or that I am
too good for the carpet." She replied, "It is the Messenger of
Allâh’s
carpet, and you are an unclean polytheist."


Being disgusted at the curt reply of his daughter, Abu Sufyan stepped
out of her room and went to see the Prophet [pbuh], but the latter
was
well aware of his tricks and did not hold him any assurance. He then
approached Abu Bakr, but the latter too declined to interfere. He
contacted ‘Umar to intercede but this great Companion made a point-
blank refusal. At last he saw ‘Ali bin Abi Talib and began begging
him
in the most humble words, cunningly alluding to the prospects of
mastery over all the Arabs if he were to intercede for the renewal of
the treaty. ‘Ali also briefly regretted his inability to do anything
for him.


Abu Sufyan turned his steps back to Makkah in a state of bitter
disappointment and utter horror. There he submitted a report of his
meeting with his daughter, Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Ali’s reaction and
the
meaningful silence of the Prophet. The Makkans were dismayed, but did
not expect imminent danger.


On the authority of At-Tabari, the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] asked
‘Aishah [R], his spouse three days prior to receiving news relating
to
breaching of covenant, to make preparations peculiar to marching out
for war. Abu Bakr, meanwhile, came in and asked ‘Aishah [R] what the
matter was, showing surprise at the preparations being made as it was
not, as he said, the usual time for war. She replied that she had no
idea. On the morning of the third day ‘Amr bin Sâlim Al-Khuza‘i
arrived in the company of forty horsemen to brief the Prophet [pbuh]
on the plight of his people and seeking the Muslims’ help for
retaliation. People of Madinah then got to know that Quraish had
breached the covenant. Budail followed ‘Amr, and then Abu Sufyan and
the news was unequivocally confirmed.


With view of securing a complete news black-out concerning his
military intentions, the Prophet [pbuh] despatched an eight-men
platoon under the leadership of Qatadah bin Rab‘i in the direction of
Edam, a short distance from Madinah, in Ramadan 8 A.H., in order to
divert the attention of people and screen off the main target with
which he was preoccupied.


There was so much dread and fear everywhere that Hatib, one of the
most trusted followers of the Prophet [pbuh] secretly despatched a
female messenger with a letter to Makkah containing intimation of the
intended attack. The Prophet [pbuh] received news from the heaven of
Hatib’s action and sent ‘Ali and Al-Miqdad with instructions to go
after her. They overtook the messenger, and after a long search
discovered the letter carefully hidden in her locks. The Prophet
[pbuh] summoned Hatib and asked him what had induced him to this act.
He replied, "O Messenger of Allâh [pbuh]! I have no affinity of blood
with Quraish; there is only a kind of friendly relationship between
them and myself. My family is at Makkah and there is no one to look
after it or to offer protection to it. My position stands in striking
contrast to that of the refugees whose families are secure due to
their blood ties with Quraish. I felt that since I am not related to
them, I should, for the safety of my children, earn their gratitude
by
doing good to them. I swear by Allâh that I have not done this act as
an apostate, forsaking Islam. I was prompted only by the
considerations I have just explained."


‘Umar wanted to cut his head off as a hypocrite, but the Prophet
[pbuh] accepted his excuse and granted him pardon, then addressed
‘Umar saying: "Hatib is one of those who fought in the battle of
Badr.
How do you know that he is a hypocrite? Allâh is likely to look
favourably on those who participated in that battle. Turning then, to
Hatib, he said: "Do as you please, for I have forgiven you."


After making full preparation, the Prophet [pbuh] proceeded to Makkah
at the head of ten thousand soldiers on the 10th of Ramadan, 8 A.H.
He
mandated Abu Ruhm Al-Ghifari to dispose the affairs of Madinah during
his absence. When they reached Al-Juhfa, Al-‘Abbas bin ‘Abdul
Muttalib
and his family came to join the Prophet [pbuh]. At Al-Abwa’, the
Muslims came across Abu Sufyan bin Al-Harith and ‘Abdullah bin
Omaiyah, the Prophet’s cousins, but, on account of the harm they had
inflicted, and their satiric language, on the believers, they were
not
welcomed. ‘Ali addressed Abu Sufyan to go and beseech the Prophet
[pbuh] for pardon and confess his ill-behaviour in a manner similar
to
that of Yusuf’s (the Prophet Joseph) brothers:


"They said: ‘By Allâh! Indeed Allâh has preferred you above us, and
we
certainly have been sinners.’" [Al-Qur'an 12:91]


Abu Sufyan observed ‘Ali’s counsel, to which the Prophet quoted
Allâh’s Words:


"He said: ‘No reproach on you this day, may Allâh forgive you, and He
is the Most Merciful of those who show mercy!’" [Al-Qur'an 12:92]


Abu Sufyan recited some verses paying a generous tribute to the
Prophet [pbuh] and professing Islam as his only religion.


The Muslims then marched on in a state of fasting until they reached
a
place called Al-Qadeed where water was available. There they broke
fast [Sahih Al-Bukhari 2/613] and resumed their movement towards Mar
Az-Zahran. The Quraishites were quite unaware of the development of
affairs, but the Prophet [pbuh] did not like to take them by
surprise.
He, therefore, ordered his men to kindle fire on all sides for
cooking
purposes. The idea behind this was that Quraish should be afforded
full opportunity to assess the situation in which they were
pitchforked correctly, and should not endanger their lives by leaping
blindly in the battlefield. ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab was entrusted with
the guard duty. In the meanwhile, Abu Sufyan along with Hakim bin
Hizam and Budail bin Warqua’, two terrible polytheists, went out to
reconnoiter. Before they got near the camp, they met ‘Abbas, the
Prophet’s uncle. He apprised Abu Sufyan of the situation and advised
him to accept Islam and persuade his people to surrender before
Muhammad [pbuh]; otherwise, his head would be struck off.


Under the prevailing compelling circumstances, Abu Sufyan went in the
company of ‘Abbas seeking the Prophet’s [pbuh] audience. The Muslims
were furious to see Abu Sufyan and wanted to kill him on the spot.
But
the two men managed, not without difficulties, to see the Messenger
of
Allâh [pbuh] who advised that they see him the following day. The
Prophet [pbuh] addressed Abu Sufyan saying: "Woe to you! Isn’t it
time
for you to bear witness to the Oneness of Allâh and Prophethood of
Muhammad?" Here, the archenemy of Islam began to beseech the Prophet
[pbuh] in the most earnest words that testify to the Prophet’s
generosity and mild temper begging for pardon and forgiveness, and
professing wholeheartedly the new faith.


On request by ‘Abbas, the Prophet [pbuh], in the context of the
general amnesty he proclaimed, gave Abu Sufyan, who had a liking for
bragging, a special privilege, saying: "He who takes refuge in Abu
Sufyan’s house is safe; whosoever confines himself to his house, the
inmates thereof shall be in safety, and he who enters the Sacred
Mosque is safe."


On the morning of Tuesday, 17th. Ramadan, 8 A.H., the Prophet [pbuh]
left Mar Az-Zahran. He ordered Al-‘Abbas to detain Abu Sufyan at a
commanding gorge that could afford a full view of the Muslim army
parading on its way towards Makkah, and hence give him the chance to
see the great and powerful soldiers of Allâh. The different tribes
successively passed with their banners flown up, until at last the
battalion of the Emigrants and Helpers with the Prophet [pbuh] at
their head heavily armed marched by. Abu Sufyan began to wonder who
those people were, to which Al-‘Abbas told him that they were
Muhammad
[pbuh] and his Companions. Abu Sufyan said that no army however
powerful could resist those people and addressing Al-‘Abbas, he said:
"I swear by Allâh that the sovereignty of your brother’s son has
become too powerful to withstand." Al-‘Abbas answered, "It is rather
the power of Prophethood," to which the former agreed.


Sa‘d bin ‘Ubadah carried the flag of the Helpers. When he passed by
Abu Sufyan, he said "Today will witness the great fight, you cannot
seek sanctuary at Al-Ka‘bah. Today will witness the humiliation of
Quraish." Abu Sufyan complained about this to the Prophet [pbuh] who
got angry and said "Nay, today Al-Ka‘bah will be sanctified, and
Quraish honoured," and quickly ordered that Sa‘d should be stripped
off the flag, and that it should be entrusted to his son Qais, in
another version, to Az-Zubair.


Al-‘Abbas urged Abu Sufyan to hasten into Makkah and warn the
Quraishites against any aggressive behaviour towards the Muslims.
There in Makkah, he shouted at the top of his voice and warned
against
any hostilities advising them to seek safety in his house. His wife
got indignant and tugged at his moustache cursing him and abusing his
cowardly stance. The people within Makkah mocked Abu Sufyan and
dispersed in different directions, some into their houses, others
into
the Holy Sanctuary while some undisciplined reckless ruffians led by
‘Ikrimah bin Abi Jahl, Safwan bin Omaiyah and Suhail bin ‘Amr
encamped
themselves in a place called Khandamah, with a murderous intent in
their minds.


The Prophet [pbuh], on his part, was quite modestly and calmly
drawing
the final touches for the military breakthrough awaiting the Muslims,
by Allâh’s Will. He appointed Khalid bin Al-Waleed as a leader of the
right flank of the army with Aslam, Sulaim, Ghifar, Muzainah and
Juhainah tribes under his command to enter Makkah through its lower
avenues. Az-Zubair bin ‘Awwam was to lead the left flank and would
storm Makkah from the upper side holding up the Messenger’s banner.
Abu ‘Ubaidah took command of the infantry and was to penetrate into
the city via a side valley. They were given full and decisive orders
not to kill unless in self defence and in that case they would
exterminate any aggressive elements and quell any opposition.


imanway

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> On Oct 14, 9:18 pm, "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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> > "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> > > I've got an idea!  Let's pretend that you replying to me
> > > twice was just a 'mistake' and not OCD.  Sound good?
>
> > >> *I*'ve got a Better Idea! Why don't you just stick to your
> > >> Atheist Principles and stop calling me?
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> > > OK. When your phone doesn't ring, that'll be me calling.
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> > *I* DO NOT want or need a Harrassing phone-call...Creep,
> > nor a Harrassing phone-call Coward, Atheist or no Atheist.
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> > *Hallelujah*
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> > *Amen*
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> Really must know Mohammed

No...

As you "Really must know Mohammed"
why don't you ask him and his followers
why you and them are still Abusing your
Women and children!

*Enquiring Minds* would "Really" Like to
know.

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

<SNIP MAJOR MOHAMMED BULLSHIT>

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No...

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

<SNIP MAJOR MOHAMMED BULLSHIT>

This *Woman*, *I*, AM NOT for Using, or
Abusing.

Geddit?

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

HVAC

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