1.6% of us pretend
m-urana
it's a simple concept to "get", and intuit.
but it's an uncommon event with various depths.
obsessing over the concept in thought and art is easily done by that
selfrejecting-transcending part of ourselves. it's much like holding a
knife in your side, and that can lead to dying from yourself... but
there is also deceit, and layers of ego are created to deal with the
situation.
the voice looking over the tortured self.
the voice looking over the voice.
the delirius voices of death despair.
absurd conversation which breaks down to paganism and childlike
genuineness, and even spiritual detachment or falling away.
the intellects domination is broken. (structure-security)
a human approach emerges, and a more natural maturity (not forced).
persona, emotion, and then intellect also become objectified as
intuition, deepening, then total detachment develop.
psychology is the truth.
i'm a logical being
beyond the emotional need to affirm to myself that
i'm a logical being
beyond the emotional need to affirm to myself that
i'm a logical being
the thinker and the fool.
Logic-Control.
i want to release from intellectual domination without becoming stupid,
and without emotional pathologies or regression locking in for the rest
of my life.
i want to be in harmony with my whole self, reembrace
body-feeling-ego-society, fulfill it, and drop beyond body and mind
altogether.
whole consciousness/self.
Realworld.
relationships.
each partial success, or failure, has a butterfly effect on the whole
life.
was life always a talk show?
LOCK into life.
ArtodeSadeCrowleyHitlerNietzcheMclure
tea party talk.
animal. convention. transcendence.
"the dying animal"
[while im here i want to say that Magick, the 4th-Way, and Zen
represent these three stages or levels of life..basically.
and OCD and Schizophrenia are the negative results of Magick and Logic.
the 4thway, though claiming to be integral, is the biggest failure...
it is intellectually integral but is so intellectual and confuddled
that it is impossible to actually be so.
anyway ill get into all that later maybe]
a million faces and none.
i never got to you by being kind.
i wouldn't hesitate to annihilate you if i saw you doing to another
what you did to me.
"take the point of view of death."
(self. attitude.)
do you want to have an absurd conversation? it's a relatively
unexplored artform.
"this isn't a dream, mate.
this is real."
-Ernie Dingo by a canyon.
laugh and say: "but so are dreams, mate."
same blood in our veins. one love.
will i find what i seek?
yes. but you can never possess it.
burn out of water
run out of blood
suicide's come back and im hurting myself again.
it's not dominating.
most of all i feel an emptiness which isn't so bad, but i'm getting
easily irritated and there aren't many mechanisms protecting the idea
of life or reputation anymore.
[serotonin coming down]
keep processing.
disposability pension.
the insanity. the pain. the empty.
the broken heart.
the torture.
and the million straws.
i'd kill for a childs eyes...metaphorically of course.
be death.
remembering what i heard on the radio about the over the hill brain not
necessarily being deterioration but another type of being.
let the world catch you out. flow through.
a SafeHouse flashing out light and keeping the world in order.
e and m both see evolution in bio-centric terms. what's with that.
dawkins.
0.2% of us are jesus.
i'm more a contradiction of modes than persona, to be honest. when i
manifest persona it tends to echo my general instability and
"contrarianality", which can disperse will and scatter me so that it's
hard to lock into and develop a solid structure. also i'm just shy and
sociall inexperienced and evasive.
however my intro-extroversion is also a part of the duality within
me... from back of the class to show and tell... and there is actually
a talkshow host aspect of myself i developed in 98/99 which never quite
dissolved, which i never really liked being (so often). but i remember
wince playing with ben that, altho shy, i had a strong side which was
esp activated with other introverts (often in their defense). that
stopped sitting back. the different modes are from different "selves"
but the emphasis isn't always on expressed-persona or self-awareness
from the individuals view, that just gets the most press.
my extro side imagines that my intro and often victim side was all the
other intro's i know aren't treated well out there and becomes
very...angry, righteously, a bit... the imagining it happening to so
many intensifies the hurt of the victim self which fues this righteous
defensiveness beyond what one could feel for only oneself normally.
it's like i look at others in same sit to see if it's more than "just
me" being a twat, and if i feel less personally upset at that then i
return to myself defense... and that's where the ego snag hooks in. i
could stay firm and righteous and defensive,etc, with then for the sake
of stopping them continuing upon others like me... which is a part of
it, if i saw them treat a like-me like me they'd not feel the end of
it... but it's very hard to not just get an intensified egoic
contraction, all puffed up with logically, or morally, correct and
righteous perspectives (perhaps)... but with the emotional drive of a
self-sorry crybaby... which also is somewhat justifiable if not blown
out of proportion by the various means.
Alien&Protector.
modes. views. personas. selves. feelings.
intentional contradiction does take power away from choronozons
collapse (contamination).
for instance spend a week or a day dwelling on and rolling in your
misery, then go to an island for a week using your effort on enjoyment
and restfulness only.
visualize people i know. (relationship work)
deeply see friends.
everything is kind of true.
it was so real, like a dream.
"Joachim says the free man is defined by what he does today. I'll no
more look behind me."
-Virgil, Arcanum.
"To be truly knowledgeable, one must study a tremendous variety of
things. Specialization is for insects and orcs."
-Professor Eakins of magick and science.
fire hearts and pretty faces. earthgirls and sunmen.
moonmums and spaceboys.
i've been recorded into your brain.
welp J was having a nap that, again, turned into a sleep. after aboud
3 hours i was irritated at having him in the house and resorted to
primitive "magic".
started by aiming the sharp sticks at him but figured that was too
vague a force, and typical hate fantasy which i don't want to indulge
in anyway.
so i imagined that i was him starting to feel restless, getting up, and
thinking about getting out of here. then i shoved J back out of myself
and became me in relationship to this J i had imagined.
[speaking of the devil. he just entered the library and is sitting at
the computer next to me.]
i saw an energy enter his head which i knew was programmed with this
attitude. within about 2 minutes he was up and had left the house,
which was interesting.
he's gone he's gone
the ogre is gone! ;)
i should celebrate with a drink and a dance on the bed.
[i had better move on]
everything is a test.
pleasure ME.
i've never really tried any "magic" on other people, directly, except
healing and pain sensing and protecting, other than when i was on
zoloft.
occasional vengeful curses always withdrawn.
(of interest... not long ago i tried soaking the pain of a certain
asskicking cowgal and had an emotional collapse before i could even
send out anything positive.
it was probably personal-reaction, inappropriate for being a pure
channel.
there is a divide between us and that love connection melts it. even
though im in the mood of connecting modes there are some people and
some types of people iknow i just have to consciously keep a sense of
distance from until i'm ready.)
and i become the people i know very easily, so i want to detach from
the friends like J who have so many characteristics i dont want to
stick-on to me.
m has the most characteristics i admire, but even he has this subtle
sexual twist revealed in his joking... and moral or not... if he
morally despises someone else than he can be and has been dangerous,
especially with the connections.
(like..imagine sobe, with bigger friends... littlebro syndrome)
but to be honest. if i was simply more of a man i wuold be dangerous
also, and also have "connections" i would most likely use...in my
current state, manned up..!
but i want to be wiser and more self disciplined, and getting bigbro
(no pun intended) to kick, or kill, or whatever...someones ass...
appears cowardly more than manly anyways (which is what i told m when
he told me)
still... there is always a What If that will change your mind about
every Would You.
the angel lady told me
"it's easy to be a saint... when there's noone else around."
"oh please, if people start telling the truth i'm going to bed."
i need a crazy girl. for a while. they'd exhaust me but we'd connect
in a way i need to.
"i'm tired of being above everything.
i want to be a human being."
- The House of Yes.
sincerity. logic/conventionality/etc.
she reminds me im human and have real feelings, im a real person.
i love W.
if only she could Stop and be with me, like children are together,
isntead of always needing a duty or somewhere to go. we could have gone
deep.
i just wanted to play and be intimate...though i know there's more
needed, that's a basis.
but i'm thinking there'll never be another one of her. even if there
was, not for me...i'm not playing it all again...telling it all
again... i want to find what has been lost, and to treasure it as
precious.
and never make the same mistakes.
i'm still in a process, though.
maybe there'll be another girl, but w will always be my W...and i can't
lose her. i miss her.
:p
Meltdarok
> self-detachment.
> it's a simple concept to "get", and intuit.
> but it's an uncommon event with various depths.
>
> psychology is the truth.
>
> i'm a logical being
> beyond the emotional need to affirm to myself that
> i'm a logical being
> beyond the emotional need to affirm to myself that
> i'm a logical being
>
> the thinker and the fool.
>
> Logic-Control.
>
> i want to release from intellectual domination without becoming stupid,
> and without emotional pathologies or regression locking in for the rest
> of my life.
> i want to be in harmony with my whole self, re embrace
> body-feeling-ego-society, fulfill it, and drop beyond body and mind
> altogether.
>
> whole consciousness/self.
> Real world.
> relationships.
>
> each partial success, or failure, has a butterfly effect on the whole
> life.
>
Whoops!
> was life always a talk show?
Hell no!!!
>
--
meltdarok
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> life.
>
> was life always a talk show?
Not until a few weeks ago when I got a slot on ResonananceFM 104.4!
FFF
Dirk
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com
Jimbo
"m-urana" wrote ...
> self-detachment.
> it's a simple concept to "get", and intuit.
> but it's an uncommon event with various depths.
concepts and events are easy...
the challenge is resting beyond these... :)
Tom
"m-urana" <kosmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160721488....@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> self-detachment.
> it's a simple concept to "get", and intuit.
> but it's an uncommon event with various depths.
The more you keep on chattering, the less common detachment is.
Conscious breathing and mindful attention will do the trick.
"There are a number of breathing techniques you can use to make life vivid
and more enjoyable. The first exercise is very simple. As you breathe in,
you say to yourself, 'Breathing in, I know that I am breathing in.' And as
you breathe out, say, 'Breathing out, I know I am breathing out.' Just
that. You recognize your in-breath as an in-breath and your out-breath as an
out-breath. You don't even need to recite the whole sentence, you can use
just two words: 'In' and 'Out'. This technique can help you keep your mind
on your breath. As you practice, your breath will become peaceful and
gentle, and your mind and body will also become peaceful and gentle. This
is not a difficult exercise. In just a few minutes you can realize the
fruit of meditation.
Breathing in and out is very important, and it is enjoyable. Our breathing
is the link between our body and our mind. Sometimes our mind is thinking
one thing and our body is doing another, and mind and body are not unified.
By concentrating on our breathing, 'In and 'Out', we bring body and mind
back together, and become whole again. Conscious breathing is an important
bridge.
To me, breathing is a joy that I cannot miss. Every day, I practice
conscious breating, and in my small meditation room, I have calligraphed
this sentence, 'Breathe, you are alive!' Just breathing and smiling can
make us very happy, because when we breathe consciously we recover ourselves
completely and encounter life in the present moment." -- Thich Nhat Hanh
> obsessing over the concept in thought and art is easily done by that
> selfrejecting-transcending part of ourselves. it's much like holding a
> knife in your side, and that can lead to dying from yourself... but
> there is also deceit, and layers of ego are created to deal with the
> situation.
> the voice looking over the tortured self.
> the voice looking over the voice.
> the delirius voices of death despair.
If you want to cut that shit out, breathe.
sd
>
> Conscious breathing and mindful attention will do the trick.
What trick is that? Cutting out "the bullshit?" M-Urana may be attached to
chattering, no more so than you are fixated on Breathing In/Out.
Talk all day without talking,
Breathe all day without breathing!
Charles E Hardwidge
> to
> chattering, no more so than you are fixated on Breathing In/Out.
That's what I was thinking.
All that breathing talk sounds like it's a club for asthmatic losers.
/Door bangs ass on way out.
--
Charles E. Hardwidge
Tom
"sd" <s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:egoefi$6un$1...@gondor.sdsu.edu...
>> The more you keep on chattering, the less common detachment is.
>>
>> Conscious breathing and mindful attention will do the trick.
>
> What trick is that?
The trick of detaching.
> M-Urana may be attached to
> chattering, no more so than you are fixated on Breathing In/Out.
It's a choice. It's how you want to live in the world. If an action
benefits, you keep doing it. Why would anyone want to keep doing what does
not benefit?
> Talk all day without talking,
> Breathe all day without breathing!
Very profound. Probably meaningless, but very profound nonetheless.
Tom
"Charles E Hardwidge" <noj...@nojunk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:PvQXg.34803$r61....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> What trick is that? Cutting out "the bullshit?" M-Urana may be attached
>> to
>> chattering, no more so than you are fixated on Breathing In/Out.
>
> That's what I was thinking.
People do a lot of useless thinking.
> All that breathing talk sounds like it's a club for asthmatic losers.
Then stop.
m-urana
Tom wrote:
> "m-urana" <kosmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160721488....@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > self-detachment.
> > it's a simple concept to "get", and intuit.
> > but it's an uncommon event with various depths.
>
> The more you keep on chattering, the less common detachment is.
>
spin data wheel
> Conscious breathing and mindful attention will do the trick.
>
mindful attention can apply to chattering, some of the deeper states
seem to occur in the midst of self talk because the detachment is so
directly upon self, without escaping self via breathing and other
concentrations. they are nice practices but theres just no reason to
exclude the mind. the minds full of tricks. ok, there's one reason.
but for the modern world the mind is going to need a central role in
its own transcendence.
> "There are a number of breathing techniques you can use to make life vivid
> and more enjoyable. The first exercise is very simple. As you breathe in,
> you say to yourself, 'Breathing in, I know that I am breathing in.' And as
> you breathe out, say, 'Breathing out, I know I am breathing out.' Just
> that. You recognize your in-breath as an in-breath and your out-breath as an
> out-breath. You don't even need to recite the whole sentence, you can use
> just two words: 'In' and 'Out'. This technique can help you keep your mind
> on your breath. As you practice, your breath will become peaceful and
> gentle, and your mind and body will also become peaceful and gentle. This
> is not a difficult exercise. In just a few minutes you can realize the
> fruit of meditation.
>
> Breathing in and out is very important, and it is enjoyable. Our breathing
> is the link between our body and our mind. Sometimes our mind is thinking
> one thing and our body is doing another, and mind and body are not unified.
> By concentrating on our breathing, 'In and 'Out', we bring body and mind
> back together, and become whole again. Conscious breathing is an important
> bridge.
>
> To me, breathing is a joy that I cannot miss. Every day, I practice
> conscious breating, and in my small meditation room, I have calligraphed
> this sentence, 'Breathe, you are alive!' Just breathing and smiling can
> make us very happy, because when we breathe consciously we recover ourselves
> completely and encounter life in the present moment." -- Thich Nhat Hanh
>
what i've also found helps is simply matching thought-feelings to body
feelings and working upon the issue at that level...which includes
breathing and stretching and yoga and relaxation and energy
visualization... the link between body and mind is clarified... and i
can always work upon the physical side. but mindfulness and resolution
of the thought by thought, and probably action-ritual too, can be a way
more permanent transformation.
m-urana
everyone's breathing, meanwhile the dalai lama is getting lucky with
his newest Tantra ho on mind plane 17
zen it all! :)
Kane
This monday I went downtown. I drove my car there, parked in a public
parking lot. Did my business downtown, then came back to my car. It
was cold rain coming from the sky, my car battery was dead.
I then went a few blocks down to a gas station. I made change for a
few quarters, tried to call my uncle. The phone kept spitting out my
money, so I couldn't make a call. I then went across the street to a
pay phone, same thing happened.
I then went to a new, CVS pharmacy on the other corner. I asked the
lady if they had a pay phone. After her lingering stare, she said that
CVS didn't have a pay phone. Mind you, this is a major multi-million
dollar store that was just opened up a month ago...yet no pay phone.
I'm sorry lady if I can't afford a Cell Phone......
So I then went across the street, to the YMCA, and the guy let me use
his phone as long as it was a local call. I made the call, then went
back to my car about 3 blocks away.
In the meantime, of all of this happening, a SUV person yelled out
"JackAss!!!" and I passed a few other people that seemed a little out
of it, you know, street people.
I was hyperventilating....but I had an epiphany.
If I were homeless, or ridiculed, or down on my luck without help from
others...I would be a terrible mess. I realized this last Monday that
only a few people are good, the 5%, like the guy at the YMCA who let me
use his phone, the rest 95% are full of shit and are evil
That's my life story for the week,
Kane
fritz..
"Kane" <cain_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161237865.0...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> speaking of Zen....
the zen cannot be spoken of
Charles E Hardwidge
> others...I would be a terrible mess. I realized this last Monday that
> only a few people are good, the 5%, like the guy at the YMCA who let me
> use his phone, the rest 95% are full of shit and are evil
The world can look like that at times. I think, it's another one of those
branding and marketing things. You might mean well but because you don't hit
the right buttons and there's no personal attachment, you're out of luck.
At a community level, I reckon, the same stuff plays out. For instance, in
Britain, there's a few communities with poor employment and infrastructure,
yet, there's the opposite issues in affluent areas. Why? Political will.
Looking around today and back at the 1960's, I reckon, the one big
difference is fluidity. People were more open minded and resilient. Today,
the risk averse and low trust economy is king. I think, this needs to
change.
--
Charles E. Hardwidge
RoidsRim
Power of thought
is that close enough
i think its meant to be hushy hush
we got past that herdal
still dont tell anyone
power of the sun
amazing power of thought
pedo on the lose
i could do pages of this
i have maybe i should type them up
now you broken my perfect 4 years perfect train of thought to stop here
say this
you can still have POT even when denied access to knowledge
if you know the truth in what you know then its 100% whehter your
instein or not
people think Pot is like stay away from the negs think positive but
thats just celeb mags saying that
embrace high low middle
screw third eye killer tv
RicePaper Roids
Tom
>
> Tom wrote:
>>
>> The more you keep on chattering, the less common detachment is.
>>
>>
>
> mindful attention can apply to chattering, some of the deeper states
> seem to occur in the midst of self talk because the detachment is so
> directly upon self, without escaping self via breathing and other
> concentrations. they are nice practices but theres just no reason to
> exclude the mind. the minds full of tricks. ok, there's one reason.
> but for the modern world the mind is going to need a central role in
> its own transcendence.
There you go again.
You can stop whenever you like. Or you can just keep chattering. Your
choice.
Kim
If I understand correctly and you are bothered by murana's long posts. I
must bring to your attention - about your reading these posts...
>>>You can stop whenever you like. Or you can just keep reading. Your
>>>choice.<<<
-Kim
>
m-urana
talking in a newsgroup tsk tsk...
but point taken, as i tried to indicate. i just didnt' want to ignore
everything else that is going on which involves thinking and talking
very much, and is all involved in the point of everything i've been on
about.
Tom
>
> Tom wrote:
>> "m-urana" <kosmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161235837....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Tom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The more you keep on chattering, the less common detachment is.
>> >>
>> >> Conscious breathing and mindful attention will do the trick.
>> >>
>> >
>> > mindful attention can apply to chattering, some of the deeper states
>> > seem to occur in the midst of self talk because the detachment is so
>> > directly upon self, without escaping self via breathing and other
>> > concentrations. they are nice practices but theres just no reason to
>> > exclude the mind. the minds full of tricks. ok, there's one reason.
>> > but for the modern world the mind is going to need a central role in
>> > its own transcendence.
>>
>> There you go again.
>>
>> You can stop whenever you like. Or you can just keep chattering. Your
>> choice.
>
> talking in a newsgroup tsk tsk...
Talk is one thing, chatter is another.
> but point taken, as i tried to indicate.
Yes. Nice try. Keep practicing.
> i just didnt' want to ignore
> everything else that is going on which involves thinking and talking
> very much, and is all involved in the point of everything i've been on
> about.
This is grasping. You cannot simultaneously attach and detach.
m-urana
can't you?
then u might find the next post interesting... i musta had u in mind
ey? :)
Tom
>
> Tom wrote:
>>
>> This is grasping. You cannot simultaneously attach and detach.
>
> can't you?
No, you can't. Neither can you inhale while you're exhaling.
> then u might find the next post interesting... i musta had u in mind
> ey? :)
If not before, you do now.
m-urana
Tom wrote:
> "m-urana" <kosmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164179863.8...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> This is grasping. You cannot simultaneously attach and detach.
> >
> > can't you?
>
> No, you can't. Neither can you inhale while you're exhaling.
>
perhaps i should have said...
I am not detached, but I-I am detached, whilst I am attached.
> > then u might find the next post interesting... i musta had u in mind
> > ey? :)
>
> If not before, you do now.
i have you in mind, but not You-you. :p
Lee Frank
"Tom" <dantoPAYAT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "m-urana" <kosmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164179863.8...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> This is grasping. You cannot simultaneously attach and detach.
> >
> > can't you?
>
> No, you can't. Neither can you inhale while you're exhaling.
yes you can. it's called circular
breathing. several jazz saxophone
players can do this. rasaan roland
kirk could hold a note indefinitely
with circular breathing. air is taken
in through the nostrils while
simultaneously exhaling out
the mouth.
m-urana
it's what the aboriginals do with the digeridoo too.
the use of the nose and its system for breathing in, while breathing
out of the mouth, is analogous of the different dimensional footings
which make detachment possible while remaining attached.
Meltdarok
I once saw Jules Broussard do this at a performance in a San Francisco
club where he played both a tenor and soprano sax at the same time. I
heard that Kirk could play up to five instruments at once.
>
>
>
--
meltdarok
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
Tom
"Lee Frank" <leef...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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Blowing air through a saxaphone constantly is not the same as exhaling
constantly. In circular breathing, you fill your cheeks with air and use
them as a bellows to keep air flowing through your instrument for a few
seconds while you inhale through your nose. The inhale-exhale cycle of the
lungs is still two discrete motions that cannot occur simultaneously.
Tom
>
>
> the use of the nose and its system for breathing in, while breathing
> out of the mouth, is analogous of the different dimensional footings
> which make detachment possible while remaining attached.
Blowing out air stored in your cheeks is not exhaling. The air movement
from the lungs is the exhalation, which is what put the air into your cheeks
in the first place. It's not the squirt of air from the cheeks unless you're
so desperate for a rationalization that you're willing to twist the meaning
of the word "exhale" into meaninglessness.
Tom
>
> Tom wrote:
>> "m-urana" <kosmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164179863.8...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Tom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is grasping. You cannot simultaneously attach and detach.
>> >
>> > can't you?
>>
>> No, you can't. Neither can you inhale while you're exhaling.
>
> perhaps i should have said...
>
> I am not detached, but I-I am detached, whilst I am attached.
Well, that's one way to keep yourself confused.
Lee Frank
"Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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i saw kirk in ann arbor after his
massive stroke and shortly before
his passing. at that time he only
had the use of one arm and it was
the most amazing performance
by a musician that i have ever seen.
Lee Frank
born to argue with nitpicking
as your major strategy?
Kan
simultaneously is hardly nitpicking. I am interested and fascinated with
this discussion.
Incidentally - "born" as the start of a sentence should have a capital
letter. Now THAT is nitpicking!!! ;)
Lee Frank
"Kan" <k...@homeworld.com> wrote in message
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fascinating
Kan
>> Inhaling - exhaling and what they are and how you cannot do both
>> simultaneously is hardly nitpicking. I am interested and fascinated with
>> this discussion.
>> Incidentally - "born" as the start of a sentence should have a capital
>> letter. Now THAT is nitpicking!!! ;)
>
> fascinating
>
All this inhaling exhaling and saxophones and stuff reminds me of a time I
saw Jethro Tull live in a concert.
He had one of these lengthy solos on the flute where he obviously thought he
was fantastic and was really into himself and how good I am sure he thought
he was and then just when he reached the climax - he SNEEZED!
The whole audience burst out laughing.
Oh the poor guy.
Tom
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>> > yes you can. it's called circular
>> > breathing. several jazz saxophone
>> > players can do this. rasaan roland
>> > kirk could hold a note indefinitely
>> > with circular breathing. air is taken
>> > in through the nostrils while
>> > simultaneously exhaling out
>> > the mouth.
>>
>> Blowing air through a saxaphone constantly is not the same as exhaling
>> constantly. In circular breathing, you fill your cheeks with air and use
>> them as a bellows to keep air flowing through your instrument for a few
>> seconds while you inhale through your nose. The inhale-exhale cycle of
> the
>> lungs is still two discrete motions that cannot occur simultaneously.
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> born to argue with nitpicking
> as your major strategy?
You nitpick and then complain that a reply to your nitpicking is nitpicking.
However, it's pretty clear that what you're complaining about is the fact
that your own nitpicking argument was shown to be incorrect, which made you
look not only petty but stupid besides. This is a conclusion that has been
futher reinforced by your whining about how nitpicky it is to contradict
your nitpicking.
Tom
> simultaneously is hardly nitpicking. I am interested and fascinated with
> this discussion.
For a good description of circular breathing, try:
http://www.breathing.com/articles/circular-breathing.htm
While it is possible to expel air from your cheeks while inhaling, it is not
possible to inhale air into your lungs while simultaneously exhaling air
from your lungs.
The only way I could even imagine it happening is if one inhaled with one
lung while exhaling with the other, but I don't think anyone has ever shown
this to be something that can actually be done. The rib cage certainly
isn't built for it and diaphragm may not have the necessary musculature to
allow it. I also don't think the motor nerves could handle the load.
Lee Frank
fascinating