ASMS Lists
ShirleyB
. .
I got a request to remove someone from the lists, which I did, but the
person asked about removing their old posts also and I'd never done
this.
I found out you can easily remove old posts from Usenet, but the
Google Groups are different. For future reference, they really can
only be done one at a time and must be done by the post-er. You have
to sign in using the same email addy and search thru to find your
posts. It would be time consuming, but if you have any posts out
there in ether-land that might be embarassing . . ..
Remember what Omar Khayam said: "The Moving Finger writes; and, having
writ, moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it"
I intend to monitor the group more often, I've misssed everybody!
ShirleyB
ne...@millions.com
So you're going to be a surrogate mother?
Have fun.
Donn
Tick
picked up a few new folks who are unaware of "the list." Maybe you
had better explain it to those sitting way in the back of the
auditorium, in the corner, in the dark. The ones back there in the
cheap seats...maybe they'll move down to the empty seats nearer the
podium. Sad to say there seems to be plenty of room down here.
Hugs,
Tick
Alex
> Heavens, I haven't posted in a while, but things are slowing down, so
> . .
>
> I got a request to remove someone from the lists, which I did, but the
> person asked about removing their old posts also and I'd never done
> this.
>
> I found out you can easily remove old posts from Usenet,
For clarification, a bit of an explanation of Usenet:
When you send a newsgroup post, it is initially received by your ISP's
(or other) Usenet server.
That server is 'peered' (has a sharing agreement) with other Usenet
servers, to trade new messages back and forth. Those other servers, in
turn, are peered with other servers, etc., etc., ad nauseum. That is
how different people, using different servers, can all read the same posts.
So, after a post has been 'propagated' (sent on to all the other
servers), it becomes extremely difficult, one could say impossible, from
a practical standpoint, to remove it, entirely, from Usenet.
Due to past abuses, many (most!) servers will not allow you to 'cancel'
(remove) a post. Even if you are lucky enough to be subscribed to a
server that does allow cancels, you would have to get lucky enough to
cancel the post, before the server synced with it's peers.
What usually happens when you 'cancel' or 'delete' a post, is that,
rather than 'bother' you with an error message from the server, that you
do not have cancel privileges, your newsreader program simply deletes
the entry from it's list of messages, on *your* computer. So, while
*you* no longer see it, anyone else checking that group, can still pull
the original message.
Even the 'X-No-Archive' header is hit or miss, as servers are not
*required* to honor that header. Some may, some may not, it's at the
whim of each server administrator, as to whether they will honor it.
> but the Google Groups are different. For future reference, they
> really can only be done one at a time and must be done by the
> post-er. You have to sign in using the same email addy and search
> thru to find your posts. It would be time consuming, but if you have
> any posts out there in ether-land that might be embarassing . . ..
Yes, Google Groups is an entirely different critter. Removing a post
from Google Groups does not remove it from Usenet servers, only Google's
servers.
> Remember what Omar Khayam said: "The Moving Finger writes; and, having
> writ, moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
> Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
> Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it"
>
Perzactly!
Alex
ShirleyB
PLEASE note Alex's caution on the same thread)
If anyone doesn't know about the lists, they have just to visit my
website at http://jumi-shirley.com/roadmap.html
(Important: you have to go to Roadmap.html because there's no link
from my front page at http://jumi-shirley.com). Luckily I have a short
url of: http://pdk.to/Htp (ATTN OLD TIMERS: this is a NEW short
url) and look around.
For the newbies, the lists started like this: A while ago (I was
still in San Jose), so it was pre-'99), someone started wondering
where we were all from. Dixie Simmons (since passed away) started
collecting names & cities/countries, and a member in Britain
(Jean-Paul, aka 'Crusher', I believe) made us some maps.
Dixie collected the names, I put us on the maps, and now there are 480
of us, and no new people have been added in months. We are listed by
name (first/last names or just first name if you're edgy),
City/Country, and by number (in order of when you were added to the
lists).
Dixie passed away (has it been about five years ago?) and I've
maintained the whole slew since. I've quit adding people to the maps,
as they've just gotten too crowded and time-consuming.
But at the short url of http://pdk.to/Htp website, we are listed
alphabetically by first name, by country and by
number (when we got on the list, i.e., (I'm #6, by the way).
I post for changes every few months (or so), always under "ASMS
Lists".
So again, if you're not on the lists and want to be, or if you have
any changes/additions, post or email me.
BUT BE AWARE: These are PUBLIC newsgroups, as Alex mentioned. They
can be "searched", so if for any reason you don't want people knowing
you have MS, etc. you might want only to list your first name and
either city or country. A lady just a couple days ago asked to be
removed from the lists, which I did, but then she worried about old
posts she had made, WHICH ARE PUBLIC. I researched Google and found
how she could do it, but it takes time. So be cognizant of the fact
that ANYTHING you post is out there forever.
PS: Arto, got your email this morning and will correct your info -
yes, you are 356. But I have you on the list as ARTE, not ARTO. It
should be ARTO, correct?
ShirleyB
eskelinen
[Clips]
>
> PS: Arto, got your email this morning and will correct your info -
> yes, you are 356. But I have you on the list as ARTE, not ARTO. It
> should be ARTO, correct?
Shirley,
Yes, that's correct.
Thank you for the great job you are doing as the administrator
of ASMS Lists!
Regards,
Arto
--
Who are y'all gonna believe,
me or your own lying eyes?
-trad.