Re: PING >> Valentia
Alessio Renieri
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> See http://tinyurl.com/yzvz3y4
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> He is in your country!
>
> CCSVI is a condition called "Chronic Cerebrospinal Venous
> Insufficiency" and was discovered by Dr. Paolo Zamboni,(...)
There are only 3 studies about ccsvi
For example, Dr. Zamboni's theory tell us nothing about what happened in the
Faroe Islands, where there are epidemics of MS, following the occupation by
British troops during the Second World War
Ferrara is a small city and the University of Ferrara hasn't a great
importance.
If you want to read something about the Faroe Islands, search "Faroe
multiple sclerosis" on PubMed or visit
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EpidemiologyMS/EpidemiologyMS.pdf
Bye,Alessio,Florence,Italy
Alessio Renieri
Hi Peter,
> I agree that the number of studies so far is small, but there are more
> being assembled, one large study is at The University of Buffalo.
>
> CCSVI is a new theory and it is such a radical departure from
> conventional thought that most neurologists are suspicious of it.
Albert Einstein said that "the experimental tests are never enough." MS has
been described by JM Charcot in 1868: it is possible that nobody ever
noticed the CCSVI?
> The Faroe Island observations do not seem incompatible with CCSVI
I'm sorry but I do not see a connection between CCSVI and Faroe Islands
The MS was unknown in the Faroes. In 1940 the islands were occupied by
British troops. In 1943 there was the first case of MS
> The drug companies (and others with a financial interest) will be
> trying to discredit Zamboni. We should hope that he is correct.
I have no financial interests!
> Again, there is much money against him.
...it's an old speech
The third work...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19724286
J Cereb Blood Flow Metab. 2009 Sep 2.
Anomalous venous blood flow and iron deposition in multiple sclerosis.
Singh AV, Zamboni P.
PMID: 19724286
"Multiple sclerosis (MS) is primarily an autoimmune disorder of unknown
origin"
Zamboni says that CCSVI is not the cause of MS
Bye,Alessio,Florence,Italy
Alessio Renieri
Hi Peter,
> I agree that the number of studies so far is small, but there are more
> being assembled, one large study is at The University of Buffalo.
Albert Einstein said that "the experimental tests are never enough" MS has
been described by JM Charcot in 1868: it is possible that nobody has ever
noticed CCSVI?
> CCSVI is a new theory and it is such a radical departure from
> conventional thought that most neurologists are suspicious of it.
See the end of the message
> The Faroe Island observations do not seem incompatible with CCSVI, one
> conventional thought is that MS is genetic and Dr. Zamboni's test for
> twisted veins seems almost trivial to detect with ultra sound. And
> the operation to correct also appears easy.
I'm sorry but I do not see a connection between CCSVI and Faroe Islands
The MS was unknown in the Faroes. In 1940 the islands were occupied by
British troops. In 1943 there was the first case of MS.
> The drug companies (and others with a financial interest) will be
> trying to discredit Zamboni. We should hope that he is correct.
I have no commercial interests!
> Again, there is much money against him.
...it's an old spreech
in the third work Zamboni says:
Anomalous venous blood flow and iron deposition in multiple sclerosis.
Singh AV, Zamboni P.
J Cereb Blood Flow Metab. 2009 Sep 2.
PMID: 19724286 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19724286
"Multiple sclerosis (MS) is primarily an autoimmune disorder of unknown
origin"
Bye,Alessio,Florence,Italy
Valentina
Yes, I know. I am going to ask my neuro if she thinks it is important to
do the analisys to see if I have this anomality too.
In our Italian mailing list we have some patients from Ferrara. One of
them had the correction of the CCSVI four years ago and he is
relapsefree since that operation, and without Crabs.
;-)
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Valentina, from Florence, Italy
Valentina
> I hope your neuro does let you take the test. I am going to ask my
> doctor to let me take it. Fingers crossed for both of us.
Anyway it is such a simple test that we can pay for it ;-)
I' curios because I am also trombophilic (defict of Protein S) and maybe
it has something to do with my MS that started very early (at 11 year).
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Valentina
Susan Esterby
Raynaud's symdrome and and overgrowth of capillaries which form blood
filled red mole-like growths all over my skin. I want to have this test
done.
Susan E.
Valentina
I also had had Raynaud, and chillblains. I was healed by pregnancy,
which is the only known thing that can cure Raynaud. Now my hands are
hot even in winter. What a pleasure!
I read that is just an ecography with ecodoppler of the veins in the neck.
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Valentina
Valentina
Here you can find more information on CCSVI:
http://www.fondazionehilarescere.org/eng/index.html
The exact name of the test i transcranic ecocolordoppler.
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Valentina
them...@webtv.net
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aler...@gmail.com (Alessio Renieri) wrote: (in part)
The MS was unknown in the Faroes. In 1940 the islands were occupied by
British troops. In 1943 there was the first case of MS,,,
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There IS a known correlation between traumatic stress and MS. In the
USA, the VA pays compensation to veterans who develop MS within 7 years
of combat duty. Those British troops brought WAR to the Faroes. So
perhaps traumatically stressful conditions of "hosting" a WAR had
something to do with the epidemics of MS in the Faroes. It is also known
that HAVING it (MS) is traumatic for the whole family ... and so
exposure to "trauma" goes on and epidemics occur.
I do find it puzzling that the STRESS factor is under-played when not
ignored. Puzzling and distressing. But...I'm doing my best to NOT be
stressed. Some stress is inescapable. Being distressed about the STRESS
factor of MS being ignored or down-played ... that I can drop. :D I
thought this group would be a good place to drop it --- lots of ppl here
who know about MS and care about finding a cure and, in the meantime,
getting a handle on it with diets or creams or blood-letting or
untangling veins... .
Be calm. magpie
Alessio Renieri
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Hi,
> There IS a known correlation between traumatic stress and MS.(...)
"Traumatic stress"???
In the Faroe Islands there was no fighting during the Second World War: the
troops belonged to the RAF Royal Air Force The islands were used as a
weather base. The islands are located between Scotland and Iceland.
Bye,Alessio, Florence, Italy
them...@webtv.net
(Alessio Renieri)
news:25085-4B0...@bsg-storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net... Hi,
There IS a known correlation between traumatic stress and MS.(...)
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"Traumatic stress"???
In the Faroe Islands there was no fighting during the Second World War:
the troops belonged to the RAF Royal Air Force The islands were used as
a weather base. The islands are located between Scotland and Iceland.
Bye,Alessio, Florence, Italy
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Hi Alessio,
I thought you were suggesting a correlation between British troops
coming to the Faroe Islands in 1940, and the first documented case of MS
in the Faroe Islands occurring in 1943.
Do I have that much right?
If so, do you have a theory about what that correlation might be?
Even making a weather base there could have resulted in traumatic
stress. It is all speculation, but perhaps there was displacement from
homes; perhaps a rape occurred; perhaps a molestation; perhaps an
accident that resulted in a death of one of the Islanders. OR none of
those thing happened, nor any OTHER traumatic event, and the correlation
between troops showing up in 1940 and MS showing up in 1943 is something
else entirely.
You brought it up to refute one theory of a cause of MS. Do you have a
replacement theory to accompany the "refutation"?
Thank you, magpie