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ellen

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Dec 10, 2007, 3:09:40 PM12/10/07
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alright - today the damn muscle aches have eased into mild after a
month of hell & the 300 other symptoms are tolerable & then wham -
dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something. is
this necessarily a precursor to more stuff? i know nothing about
dealing with veritigo. any things i should know & be ready for?

don't know how much more i can deal with frankly....

maybe this is christmas light revenge.

ellen

FurPaw

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Dec 10, 2007, 3:16:09 PM12/10/07
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ellen wrote:
> alright - today the damn muscle aches have eased into mild after a
> month of hell & the 300 other symptoms are tolerable & then wham -
> dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something. is
> this necessarily a precursor to more stuff? i know nothing about
> dealing with veritigo. any things i should know & be ready for?

Flu?

Water retention can affect your semicircular canals, which could
lead to the dizziness and nausea.

> don't know how much more i can deal with frankly....

I hope this passes quickly!

> maybe this is christmas light revenge.

Sure sounds like _something_ has been throwing a temper tantrum
with your body!

{{{{{{{{{ellen}}}}}}}}}}}}

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Dec 10, 2007, 3:22:16 PM12/10/07
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ellen wrote the following on 12/10/2007 3:09 PM:
> alright - today the damn muscle aches have eased into mild after a
> month of hell & the 300 other symptoms are tolerable & then wham -
> dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something. is
> this necessarily a precursor to more stuff? i know nothing about
> dealing with veritigo. any things i should know & be ready for?

Are you congested? I'll get dizzy spells when I am congested, and some of
the Sudafed-type stuff that is now kept behind the counters takes care of
it. I'm pretty sensitive to decongestants, and half a dose of that, no
fewer than 6 hours before I plan to sleep, is the only thing I can take.

Karen R.

Jette

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Dec 10, 2007, 3:26:17 PM12/10/07
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ellen wrote:
> alright - today the damn muscle aches have eased into mild after a
> month of hell & the 300 other symptoms are tolerable & then wham -
> dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something. is
> this necessarily a precursor to more stuff? i know nothing about
> dealing with veritigo. any things i should know & be ready for?
>
>

any ear ache? tinnitus? sensation of pressure in the ears?


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ellen

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Dec 10, 2007, 4:25:25 PM12/10/07
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thanks for the hug - it's a pretty big temper tantrum.

ellen

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Dec 10, 2007, 4:30:07 PM12/10/07
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i am a little full headed, which isn't totally unusual. used to live
on decongestants, but figured that couldn't be good for me so i cut
them out. curiously, i took one yesterday just to see if it would
impact my muscle aches at all - & it did, don't ask me why i thought
that or why it helped... but then my sleep was awful - also no big
shock, especially since this 1st week of the new cycle has been like
what old pms feels like, including cramping like i'm gonna start
again. hoping the dizziness is from the congestion, but it's unlike
anything that i'm used to with it.

ellen

ellen

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Dec 10, 2007, 4:31:56 PM12/10/07
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On Dec 10, 3:26 pm, Jette <bossl...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> ellen wrote:
> > alright - today the damn muscle aches have eased into mild after a
> > month of hell & the 300 other symptoms are tolerable & then wham -
> > dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something. is
> > this necessarily a precursor to more stuff? i know nothing about
> > dealing with veritigo. any things i should know & be ready for?
>
> any ear ache? tinnitus? sensation of pressure in the ears?
>
> --
> Jette Goldie
> je...@blueyonder.co.ukhttp://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/http://wolfette.livejournal.com/

> ("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)

no ear ache. pressure is always on & off to some degree, just like
the sinus (& now gum ) stuff. the tinnitus is a little worse than
usual, kind of jacked up like it would be the week before my period.

ellen

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Cathy F.

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Dec 10, 2007, 8:20:41 PM12/10/07
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"ellen" <epdp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I almost always go off-balance before coming down with a cold, & sometimes
more chronically re: allergies. OTOH, no nausea. I take a 25 mg tablet of
meclizine (Bonine or Dramamine) & it helps a lot.

Then, there is Meniere's disease (ear), which - AFAIK, incl. both the
off-balance/dizziness & nausea deals. I think meclizine is used for its
symptoms, too.

As far as it having to do specifically with menopause as yet another
symptom... I don't know.

Cathy


Cathy F.

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Dec 10, 2007, 8:27:06 PM12/10/07
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"ellen" <epdp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I virtually always go off-balance before coming down with a cold, & am very
occasionally chronically so re: allergies. Taking a 25 mg tab (or 2 if it's
really bad) of meclizine (Bonine or Dramamine) once/day helps it a lot.

Then there's Meniere's Disease (re: ear), which produces vertigo & nausea.

I think meclizine is used for its symptoms, too.

As for whether it could be directly related to menopause - yet another
symptom... I haven't heard of it, AFAICR, but w/meno one never knows...

Cathy

Cathy F.

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Dec 10, 2007, 8:28:23 PM12/10/07
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Oops - sorry; I re-did the post, because I thought the first one didn't
send.

Cathy


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ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 10:46:01 AM12/11/07
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On Dec 10, 4:40 pm, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes

>
> ellen wrote:
>
> > no ear ache. pressure is always on & off to some degree, just like
> > the sinus (& now gum ) stuff. the tinnitus is a little worse than
> > usual, kind of jacked up like it would be the week before my period.
>
> Okay, T and dizziness is a definite sign of steroid low for most folks
> with adrenal issues. The gum discomfort for me, anyhoo, usually means
> the sinuses are worse out in front of a cold or flu.
>
> Feel better, Ellen.
>
> Susan

muchas gracias, mi amiga. what's spanish for cortrosyn test?
actually - do i need to be concerned about this thing at all? like
will it send me into one of those tear the roof of of the h-p-a
moments?

ellen

ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 10:47:14 AM12/11/07
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On Dec 10, 8:12 pm, Dana(c) <AneeB...@ownmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:09:40 -0800 (PST), ellen <epdps...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something.
>
> Do you wear glasses? Trouble focusing can cause dizziness.
> I think.... :)
>
> Dana
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

that didn't occur to me, but would it cause nausea? anyway - no long
bout, thank goodness.

ellen

ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 10:49:52 AM12/11/07
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On Dec 10, 8:28 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net>
wrote:

> Oops - sorry; I re-did the post, because I thought the first one didn't
> send.
>
> Cathy
>
> "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote in message
>
> news:l6SdnTy4de_...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > "ellen" <epdps...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:714f8e4b-c347-4063...@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >> alright - today the damn muscle aches have eased into mild after a
> >> month of hell & the 300 other symptoms are tolerable & then wham -
> >> dizziness & nausea when shifting my eyes to look at something. is
> >> this necessarily a precursor to more stuff? i know nothing about
> >> dealing with veritigo. any things i should know & be ready for?
>
> >> don't know how much more i can deal with frankly....
>
> >> maybe this is christmas light revenge.
>
> >> ellen
>
> > I virtually always go off-balance before coming down with a cold, & am
> > very occasionally chronically so re: allergies. Taking a 25 mg tab (or 2
> > if it's really bad) of meclizine (Bonine or Dramamine) once/day helps it a
> > lot.
>
> > Then there's Meniere's Disease (re: ear), which produces vertigo & nausea.
> > I think meclizine is used for its symptoms, too.
>
> > As for whether it could be directly related to menopause - yet another
> > symptom... I haven't heard of it, AFAICR, but w/meno one never knows...
>
> > Cathy

i thought, 'great, now i'm seeing double.' thanks for the input. i
guess i'll just see what surfaces with this & hope for the best -
really feel fortunate that i haven't had to deal with vertigo &
migraines. now that i have typed that, i am doomed.

ellen

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ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 10:57:39 AM12/11/07
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> Is that the test that stimulates your adrenals to produce? I passed it
> even when in a severe adrenal crisis; a.m. cortisol of 1.5. :-( It
> made my heart pound, then I was okay. It tests adrenal reserve, but
> tells you absolutely nothing about how your HPA is actually functioning
> in real life.
>
> Susan

1.5!?! yikes, so then totally useless? they really don't know
anything about this hpa stuff, do they?

ellen

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Jette

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Dec 11, 2007, 11:37:38 AM12/11/07
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Any dizziness can cause nausea, if it is severe enough or last long
enough. previous bouts of the BPV didn't make me feel queasy, but
this last bout that lasted over two months was starting to - until the
doc put me on the betahistine - oh, the relief!

And my massage therapist today says that my neck/jaw and shoulders are
much less tense today than previously - she thinks I was probably
holding my head oddly to avoid setting off dizzy spells.

ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 12:53:08 PM12/11/07
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> je...@blueyonder.co.ukhttp://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/http://wolfette.livejournal.com/

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that's what i had heard, but this stuff was rather brief in nature -
again -thank goodness. so glad you are getting relief. can't
imagine trying to get around in such a state. not surprised you were
getting muscle tenseness from compensation.

ellen

ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 1:00:10 PM12/11/07
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> J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1996 Jan;81(1):285-90 Related Articles, Books,
> LinkOut
>
> The potential for serious consequences from misinterpreting normal
> responses to the rapid adrenocorticotropin test.
>
> Streeten DH, Anderson GH Jr, Bonaventura MM
>
> Department of Medicine, State University of New York Health Science
> Center, Syracuse 13210, USA.
>
> Despite unequivocal published evidence that patients with subnormal
> hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) function may respond normally to
> ACTH, such normal results are still considered reliable indications of
> unimpaired HPA function. This view was tested in four patients with
> clinical features suggesting corticotropin deficiency, in whom
> cosyntropin (0.25 mg, i.v.) raised serum cortisol above 560 nmol/L (20
> micrograms/dL) at 1 h. All four patients had subnormal responses to
> metyrapone and excellent persistent improvement during subsequent
> glucocorticoid therapy. Serum cortisol concentrations 1 h after
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> concentrations 1 h after uncomplicated cholecystectomy in six other
> patients. However, the rapid ACTH test in the patients with
> hypopituitarism failed to indicate whether more prolonged stimulation by
> ACTH or their endogenous stress would stimulate the normal continuing
> rise in serum cortisol, which reached 1358 +/- 170 nmol/L (+/- SE) 5 h
> after the incision in the cholecystectomized patients. As the three
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> serum cortisol levels despite persistent adrenocortical reserve (shown
> by their ACTH responses) and recovered during glucocorticoid therapy,
> the ACTH test, if interpreted to indicate normal HPA function, would
> probably have had disastrous consequences. We conclude that a normal
> response to the rapid ACTH test can be dangerously misleading,
> particularly in incomplete ACTH deficiency states.
>
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> Plasma cortisol response to ACTH does not accurately indicate the state
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>
> Reschini E, Catania A, Giustina G
>
> The hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal function was studied in 55 patients
> with various pituitary disorders. In particular, the consistency between
> the responses of plasma cortisol to exogenous ACTH and to insulin
> hypoglycemia was investigated in 5 patients in whom cortisol response to
> insulin was absent; four of these patients showed a cortisol response to
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> response to lysine vasopressin. These data demonstrate the unreliability
> of ACTH test in assessing hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal function in
> hypopituitary patients.
>
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great - should i even bother, IYO?

when i brought the dog in, it smelled like something was burning (last
week, one of the neighbor's garages was torched). i didn't see flames
& then i heard the buzzer on the washer. the fact that i went & got
the clothes 1st so they wouldn't wrinkle & then further checked for
fire....is that a sign of low adrenal function? of time to move? or
something else?

ellen

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ellen

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Dec 11, 2007, 3:41:52 PM12/11/07
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On Dec 11, 1:42 pm, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> ellen wrote:
> > great - should i even bother, IYO?
>
> I wouldn't, not unless and until you've had UFCs, 8 a.m., 4 p.m. and
> midnight serum cortisol and ACTH repeatedly, testosterone, DHEA, DHEA S,
> TSH, free T3, Free T4, TSH, tested first.
>
> Is there any chance you could get to an endo in either CA or SC?

>
>
>
> > when i brought the dog in, it smelled like something was burning (last
> > week, one of the neighbor's garages was torched). i didn't see flames
> > & then i heard the buzzer on the washer. the fact that i went & got
> > the clothes 1st so they wouldn't wrinkle & then further checked for
> > fire....is that a sign of low adrenal function? of time to move? or
> > something else?
>
> I'm not in a position to diagnose. ;-)
>
> Susan

ah, well done, susan. :-)

appreciate the opinion. don't know what to do & haven't been able to
get my hands on the blood test results. the endo is out of the office
till next week, so they won't release anything to me but they did tell
me that he talked with my pcp. & i got the impression that he would
have called me if anything of note showed up on the bloodwork (didn't
run everything that you indicated). i can't get anything out of the
pcp's office except that we'll talk after all the tests are run -
meaning the 24 hr urine 17 ketosteroids & metanephrines as well as the
cortrosyn. frankly, i'm desperate enough to just start throwing
things at this in an attempt to stablize something/anything. i do
think hormonal problems are driving everything else, but if i have to
flood my neurotransmitters for now to stop the chronic pain, ease the
myriad cognitive malfunctions, & calm the (luckily infrequent) severe
mood swings (among other things), to hell with the libido (which is
barely alive) & all that other good stuff.

ellen

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