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Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 3:18:41 PM9/21/04
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All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I wonder
if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if you're Down
Under.)

So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to? What would you like
to be up to?

I just admitted defeat to the professor whose course I was trying to
complete, so I'm feeling a bit liberated right now. (The aftermath will
close in later.) Today, I'm loafing 100% (as opposed to much usual mumble-
mumble percentage) and tomorrow I'm going to start posting flyers for math
tutoring, and start looking for jobs.

Next?

Chakolate

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facts; but a pile of stones is not a house and a collection of facts is not
necessarily science.
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Mickey

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Sep 21, 2004, 3:26:11 PM9/21/04
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well aside from working at work (yeah, dontcha hate that) i just made
appointments to bring my daughter to two more colleges for a tour.
concordia in westchester county and arcadia university which is somewhere in
the philadelphia area.

chak, is trigonometry considered to be pre calculus?

mickey


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Cathy Friedmann

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Sep 21, 2004, 3:57:15 PM9/21/04
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I wonder
> if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if you're Down
> Under.)
>
> So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to?

Have been back at work the last couple of weeks.

What would you like
> to be up to?

Finishing some little around-the-house projects that weren't done & were
left hanging when school started up again. And getting more sleep - IOW,
getting up later in the mornings, as I was able to do during the summer.

Findsing tutuoring jobs should be easy. But also, how about going to local
HS office & submitting you name/resumé so that they could direct parents to
you if they're looking for a tutor?

Cathy

Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 4:06:27 PM9/21/04
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"Mickey" <mbea...@omega-advisors.com> wrote in news:2rbdkbF1820ckU1@uni-
berlin.de:

> chak, is trigonometry considered to be pre calculus?
>

Yes, what used to be algebra and trig are now combined into precalc. Which
is a shame, because trig gets short shrift, and I love trig.

Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 4:08:20 PM9/21/04
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"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in
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> Findsing tutuoring jobs should be easy. But also, how about going to
> local HS office & submitting you name/resumé so that they could direct
> parents to you if they're looking for a tutor?
>

I've been thinking about that, and I'm going to check into it. However,
Chicago Public Schools is *extremely* chary of recommending anybody that
hasn't had a thorough background check. :-( I occasionally get students
from referral by the UIC math department, so I do have references from
parents, but jeepers, who knows these days?

Jette Goldie

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Sep 21, 2004, 4:09:09 PM9/21/04
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"Dana©" <Dixie...@aol.com®> wrote in message
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> On 21 Sep 2004 19:18:41 GMT, Chakolate

> <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:
>
> >All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I wonder
> >if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> >enjoying what's left.
>
> Everybody lost their computers in a hurricane? :)


Oh, you mustn't joke about it - there are certain people
who think that Florida folks shouldn't have a sense of humour
about hurricanes, and have been flaming those who do
(and said flamers live in Colorado)

:-P


--
Jette Goldie
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
"If you don't care where you are, then you aren't lost"
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/


Keera Ann Fox

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Sep 21, 2004, 4:16:05 PM9/21/04
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Chakolate <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:

> So I ask, what's everybody doing?

Being busy. Autumn's typically like that.

> What are you up to?

Signed up for local history class and a vegetarian class. Grandma will
be 94 tomorrow and I will visit her at the nursing home.

> What would you like to be up to?

Learning more CSS and redesigning my webpages. Also updating my blog and
online photo albums with an account of a hike I was on this past
weekend.

--
****** Keera in Norway ******
* Think big. Shrink to fit. *
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Marilee

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Sep 21, 2004, 4:27:07 PM9/21/04
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I wonder
> if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if you're Down
> Under.)
>
> So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to? What would you
like
> to be up to?

Waiting for a granddaughter.

Complaining about a new web-based "enhancement" at work, which basically
doesn't work worth $hit. It hasn't worked for two days, now (they just
'implemented' it yesterday), and I want them to scrap it--though they won't.
They keep telling us that it'll be a great "labor saving device". Ha!
Coincidentally, managers and their secretaries are suspiciously absent from
their offices, so I think they're avoiding complaints from agents and staff.

I'm also trying to decide what I want to eliminate from my flower bed next
year. (I think the hollyhocks have got to go, though I'll just move them
rather than destroy them.) I need to make notes this fall to remind myself
about stuff next spring. I also need to find some perennials that bloom
mid-August.

It -has- been very slow on a.s.m. these past few days.

Marilee

FurPaw

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Sep 21, 2004, 4:41:34 PM9/21/04
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Chakolate wrote:

> So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to? What would you like
> to be up to?

Taking a course in elementary Spanish with Hubster. Tutoring
(volunteer) at local CC. Getting Rolfed once a week. Spending too much
time on internet and playing Scrabble against the computer. Trying to
ignore the mess in the house and feeling guilty about not having it all
cleaned up by now. Starting on some beading projects - mostly learning.
Enjoying the glorious fall weather here. Thinking about getting my
act together to put together some kind of stress management class.

> I just admitted defeat to the professor whose course I was trying to
> complete, so I'm feeling a bit liberated right now. (The aftermath will
> close in later.) Today, I'm loafing 100% (as opposed to much usual mumble-
> mumble percentage) and tomorrow I'm going to start posting flyers for math
> tutoring, and start looking for jobs.

What kind of jobs are you looking for? Based on what I see at the local
CC, math tutors OUGHT to be in high demand. Hubster handles most of the
math and send some of the really basic students over to me. These are
COLLEGE students who don't know how to multiply 3.27 by 10. Add without
a calculator. Add a positive and a negative number, especially if the
negative number comes first.

FurPaw
--
"In a sense, we are hallucinating all the time.
What we call normal vision is our selecting the
hallucination that best fits reality."
- V. S. Ramachandran

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Mixter

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Sep 21, 2004, 5:23:24 PM9/21/04
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thought so. my daughter is taking a trig class this year and i wanted to be
sure she had some sort of pre calculus before she started college.

thanks.

mickey


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Cathy Friedmann

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Sep 21, 2004, 5:38:46 PM9/21/04
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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns956B91828B5DDc...@130.133.1.4...
> > All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I
wonder
> > if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> > enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if you're
Down
> > Under.)
> >
> > So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to? What would you
> like
> > to be up to?
>
> Waiting for a granddaughter.
>
> Complaining about a new web-based "enhancement" at work, which basically
> doesn't work worth $hit. It hasn't worked for two days, now (they just
> 'implemented' it yesterday), and I want them to scrap it--though they
won't.
> They keep telling us that it'll be a great "labor saving device". Ha!
> Coincidentally, managers and their secretaries are suspiciously absent
from
> their offices, so I think they're avoiding complaints from agents and
staff.

All memos come through e-mail at work these days. (Used to find them in
one's physical mailbox.) The printer in my room hasn't worked since day 1
of school this year. I've left voice mail, e-mailed, & personally spoken to
the (new) guy who's in charge of the district's computers - maintenance,
etc. Haven't gotten anywhere. I wind up forwarding the stuff to my home
PC, printing it out here, & bringing it back to school. Ugh. He asked me
if I could just use the school's computer lab. Hello? It's on the other
end of the building from my classroom; how very convenient. Said he
couldn't do anything about my printer since they don't presently have any
new ones to hand out. I said I don't necessarily want a new one, just to
have this one fixed - that I've so far tried what I know to do, but I'm not
a techie sort, & just want him to take a look at it in case I'm missing
something that's fixable. No reply. Grrrr.

> I'm also trying to decide what I want to eliminate from my flower bed next
> year. (I think the hollyhocks have got to go, though I'll just move them
> rather than destroy them.)

Good. I like hollyhocks. :-)

I need to make notes this fall to remind myself
> about stuff next spring. I also need to find some perennials that bloom
> mid-August.

Not enough of them, IMO. My garden looks best up through early-mid July.

Cathy

FurPaw

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Sep 21, 2004, 5:55:53 PM9/21/04
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Cathy Friedmann wrote:

> "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2rbh7rF...@uni-berlin.de...

>> I need to make notes this fall to remind myself


>>about stuff next spring. I also need to find some perennials that bloom
>>mid-August.
>
>
> Not enough of them, IMO. My garden looks best up through early-mid July.

Have you all considered local wildflowers? Sunflowers? Gailardia? One
thing I noticed here in NM is an absolute profusion of wildflowers
throughout the summer. Most of the natives here might not fare as well
in damper climates, but I'm pretty sure that members of the sunflower
family do well just about anywhere.

That's the other thing I'm doing... or will be doing soon - planning my
yard and plantings and landscaping.

Cathy Friedmann

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Sep 21, 2004, 6:55:34 PM9/21/04
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"FurPaw" <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Cathy Friedmann wrote:
>
> > "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2rbh7rF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
> >> I need to make notes this fall to remind myself
> >>about stuff next spring. I also need to find some perennials that bloom
> >>mid-August.
> >
> >
> > Not enough of them, IMO. My garden looks best up through early-mid
July.
>
> Have you all considered local wildflowers?

Loosestrife is the biggy in August around here - one sees it along the
Thruway in July & August; I already have the garden variety, Morden's Pink.

> Sunflowers?

The tall ones wouldn't 'work' in my perennial bed - they're just too tall,
although there are shorter varieties I think. But basically, I'm just not
big on sunflowers... :-(

> Gailardia?

This one's a possibility, although I;'ve never been all that fond of it,
either. I have plenty of gardening books, tables showing what perennials
bloom when, etc. But I think most of what I like the best in flowers
(primroses, delphinium, lupines, digitalis, astilbes, monarda....) just
happen to bloom in the first half to 2/3 of summer. I cut back the bachelor
buttons to encourage a second blooming, for example, but it's meager
compared to their first blooming.

Cathy

Shirley

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Sep 21, 2004, 7:22:42 PM9/21/04
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:Xns956B91828B5DDc...@130.133.1.4...
> All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I
wonder
> if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if
you're Down
> Under.)
>
> So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to? What would
you like
> to be up to?
>
> I just admitted defeat to the professor whose course I was trying to
> complete, so I'm feeling a bit liberated right now. (The aftermath
will
> close in later.) Today, I'm loafing 100% (as opposed to much usual
mumble-
> mumble percentage) and tomorrow I'm going to start posting flyers
for math
> tutoring, and start looking for jobs.
>
> Next?
>
> Chakolate

I'm spending quite a bit of time trying to give oral medication to my
prickly visitor, it's very difficult when the recipient of the meds
can curl up and do a very good impression of a pin cushion...only 2
more days to go :-)

Weather permitting I've been pootling round the garden deadheading
Dahlias etc, the lawn needs a trim but I couldn't find the refill
spool for the strimmer so that's a job for next week. DH and I cut
down 4 conifers that had out grown their space in the front garden, we
haven't decided what, if anything, we are going to plant in the vacant
spaces. The compost bins have been emptied in readiness for the dead
summer bedding plants etc.

Tomorrow I have to take a urine sample to the hospital to get it
tested for Porphyria (this is the 3rd attempt, the receptionist didn't
give me the correct container last time) once I get the result of this
and assuming it's negative I will start taking Propanolol as a
preventative for migraine. While I'm out I will deliver DS's partners
birthday present to her (I hope she likes it !) have a quick visit
with my 2 g-daughters and then come home and prepare dinner for DH ;-)

What would I like to be doing........the kitchen needs decorating but
my elbows are too sore (tendonitis) after cleaning windows last
week....

Sue

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Sep 21, 2004, 7:28:08 PM9/21/04
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my few late summer perennials----

Phlox "White Admiral"

Purple Coneflower.

Helianthus ( perennial sunflowers)

New England Aster " Purple Dome"

assorted Cranesbills that pump out a last gasp of blossom with the cooling
temps and shorter days

And the Hardy Hibiscus that I laughingly call my "Frost Forecast", as it
blooms so late its destined to be frostkilled before it is done blooming.

So far so good-- we've escaped 3 Frost advisories this month.

Sue in Western Maine


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Cathy Friedmann

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Sep 21, 2004, 7:40:24 PM9/21/04
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"Sue" <sdhb...@prexar.com.net> wrote in message
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> my few late summer perennials----
>
> Phlox "White Admiral"

My phloxes (mostly Eva Cullum - pink, mildew resistant) bloom in August, &
are just about done now - on their very last legs. But I have too many of
the EC's - overdose of the same pink; I have one David (white) - need more
of him maybe...

> Purple Coneflower.

Unfortunately I've never been fond of coneflower.

> Helianthus ( perennial sunflowers)

Maybe these... they're not like the usual/annual sunflower.

> New England Aster " Purple Dome"

These I could look into - or whatever other asters (besides the wild ones)
are out there.

> assorted Cranesbills that pump out a last gasp of blossom with the cooling
> temps and shorter days

My geranium sanguineum hasn't bloomed as long as I'd hoped. Lots of blooms
earlier, then very sporadic & sparse after that. Not in bloom now.

> And the Hardy Hibiscus that I laughingly call my "Frost Forecast", as it
> blooms so late its destined to be frostkilled before it is done blooming.

How big is this plant? I like hibiscus, but don't they tend to be huge? Or
just huge blossoms, but medium plants? They're cool because they *look*
tropical to me, despite reality.

> So far so good-- we've escaped 3 Frost advisories this month.
>
> Sue in Western Maine

So far, just "scattered frost" advisory here the other night, but it's
warming up again this week. :-)

Cathy


Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 9:42:46 PM9/21/04
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ke...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in
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> Learning more CSS and redesigning my webpages.

I recently downloaded the Alleycode HTML editor, and I'm going to try to
put together a webpage. If I ever succeed, I'll post the URL.

Message has been deleted

Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:01:40 PM9/21/04
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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Waiting for a granddaughter.

Any minute now?


> Complaining about a new web-based "enhancement" at work, which
> basically doesn't work worth $hit. It hasn't worked for two days, now
> (they just 'implemented' it yesterday), and I want them to scrap
> it--though they won't. They keep telling us that it'll be a great
> "labor saving device". Ha! Coincidentally, managers and their
> secretaries are suspiciously absent from their offices, so I think
> they're avoiding complaints from agents and staff.

Ah, yes. The 'we don't need any help from the competition we can screw up
our whole operation all by ourselves' technology enhancement. BTDT,
strangled the boss with the t-shirt.

Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:09:17 PM9/21/04
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FurPaw <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in news:As2dna-Mh9ZiDM3cRVn-
v...@comcast.com:

> What kind of jobs are you looking for? Based on what I see at the local
> CC, math tutors OUGHT to be in high demand. Hubster handles most of the
> math and send some of the really basic students over to me. These are
> COLLEGE students who don't know how to multiply 3.27 by 10. Add without
> a calculator. Add a positive and a negative number, especially if the
> negative number comes first.
>

If I could make a decent living tutoring, I'd never do anything else. One-
on-one, and when they come to me for help, I have their complete attention.
Unfortunately, you also have to get new students every semester, so there's
a lot of self-selling involved. I hate that part.

Also, I'm a little bit too good at it. Students often come to me thinking
they're going to need to see me twice a week, then after three sessions
say, oh, I'm really getting it now, I think I'll just call for an
appointment if I need more help. Sigh.

Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:12:25 PM9/21/04
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"Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in news:2rbre4F18u1ogU1@uni-
berlin.de:

> I'm spending quite a bit of time trying to give oral medication to my
> prickly visitor, it's very difficult when the recipient of the meds
> can curl up and do a very good impression of a pin cushion...only 2
> more days to go :-)

And the little guy is doing well? Does he trust you well enough to open up
a bit?



> Weather permitting I've been pootling round the garden deadheading
> Dahlias etc

"Deadheading Dahlias". Sounds like the title of a Raymond Chandler
mystery.

Cathy Friedmann

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"Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I'm spending quite a bit of time trying to give oral medication to my
> prickly visitor, it's very difficult when the recipient of the meds
> can curl up and do a very good impression of a pin cushion...only 2
> more days to go :-)

How is she (he?) doing? Better/more robust now, I hope!

Cathy

Marilee

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:19:31 PM9/21/04
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:2rbh7rF...@uni-berlin.de:
>
>> Waiting for a granddaughter.
>
> Any minute now?

Just about. She's not in labor yet, but she's down to the "I don't think
you'll make it to next week's appointment" torture that doctors seem to put
every expectant mother through.

>
>> Complaining about a new web-based "enhancement" at work, which
>> basically doesn't work worth $hit. It hasn't worked for two days, now
>> (they just 'implemented' it yesterday), and I want them to scrap
>> it--though they won't. They keep telling us that it'll be a great
>> "labor saving device". Ha! Coincidentally, managers and their
>> secretaries are suspiciously absent from their offices, so I think
>> they're avoiding complaints from agents and staff.
>
> Ah, yes. The 'we don't need any help from the competition we can screw up
> our whole operation all by ourselves' technology enhancement. BTDT,
> strangled the boss with the t-shirt.

Today wasn't quite as bad as yesterday--not that things were working better,
but the initial horrible shock was over. We knew yesterday was the "turn
on" day, and though I didn't have high hopes for smooth sailing, I was
totally unprepared for how lousy it really was. I'm sure it had more to do
with thousands of users suddenly using a web program that had been tested by
tens than that it's a bad system, but I'm ever shocked that the I/S
department seems not to have anticipated any of it. I think they likely
figured that there would be some speed tweaking that needed to be done; I
don't think in their wildest imaginings they pictured the total annihilation
of our ability to perform some of our daily tasks.

Bleah.

Marilee


Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:23:56 PM9/21/04
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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2rc5pkF...@uni-berlin.de:

> Today wasn't quite as bad as yesterday--not that things were working
> better, but the initial horrible shock was over. We knew yesterday
> was the "turn on" day, and though I didn't have high hopes for smooth
> sailing, I was totally unprepared for how lousy it really was. I'm
> sure it had more to do with thousands of users suddenly using a web
> program that had been tested by tens than that it's a bad system, but
> I'm ever shocked that the I/S department seems not to have anticipated
> any of it. I think they likely figured that there would be some speed
> tweaking that needed to be done; I don't think in their wildest
> imaginings they pictured the total annihilation of our ability to
> perform some of our daily tasks.
>

I understand that's why Google is doling out the gmail invites slowly -
they want to make sure they can handle the demand. Emminently sensible,
and exactly what you'd expect from Google.

Marilee

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:37:51 PM9/21/04
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:2rc5pkF...@uni-berlin.de:
>
>> Today wasn't quite as bad as yesterday--not that things were working
>> better, but the initial horrible shock was over. We knew yesterday
>> was the "turn on" day, and though I didn't have high hopes for smooth
>> sailing, I was totally unprepared for how lousy it really was. I'm
>> sure it had more to do with thousands of users suddenly using a web
>> program that had been tested by tens than that it's a bad system, but
>> I'm ever shocked that the I/S department seems not to have anticipated
>> any of it. I think they likely figured that there would be some speed
>> tweaking that needed to be done; I don't think in their wildest
>> imaginings they pictured the total annihilation of our ability to
>> perform some of our daily tasks.
>>
>
> I understand that's why Google is doling out the gmail invites slowly -
> they want to make sure they can handle the demand. Emminently sensible,
> and exactly what you'd expect from Google.

I've figured that was why.

My nephew (he's another Floridian) was complaining about his Hotmail account
in one of his e-mails updating us on their safety (this was a couple of
weeks ago, or whenever Ivan was. Or was it Frances? I can't remember.)
saying he'd switched to Yahoo. I asked him if he wanted a gmail invite, and
he agreed with alacrity--and asked me how I got to be a beta tester. I told
him the same way he just got to be one. :)

Marilee

Chakolate

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Sep 21, 2004, 10:46:14 PM9/21/04
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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
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> My nephew (he's another Floridian) was complaining about his Hotmail
> account in one of his e-mails updating us on their safety (this was a
> couple of weeks ago, or whenever Ivan was. Or was it Frances? I
> can't remember.) saying he'd switched to Yahoo. I asked him if he
> wanted a gmail invite, and he agreed with alacrity--and asked me how I
> got to be a beta tester. I told him the same way he just got to be
> one. :)
>

<grin> Is he ever going to be thrilled if his primary account is Hotmail.
I get more and more disgusted by Hotmail every time I use it. gmail is so
easy, and has some really nice features. It's almost like it's not webmail
at all.

Marilee

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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:2rc6s0F...@uni-berlin.de:
>
>> My nephew (he's another Floridian) was complaining about his Hotmail
>> account in one of his e-mails updating us on their safety (this was a
>> couple of weeks ago, or whenever Ivan was. Or was it Frances? I
>> can't remember.) saying he'd switched to Yahoo. I asked him if he
>> wanted a gmail invite, and he agreed with alacrity--and asked me how I
>> got to be a beta tester. I told him the same way he just got to be
>> one. :)
>>
>
> <grin> Is he ever going to be thrilled if his primary account is Hotmail.
> I get more and more disgusted by Hotmail every time I use it. gmail is so
> easy, and has some really nice features. It's almost like it's not
> webmail
> at all.

The only reason he uses a web based e-mail account is because he travels so
much--and had moved a couple of times after his marriage (his-her houses,
plus he went back to school) that it became easier to just use one cheesy
account rather than keep notifying everyone of a different e-mail with each
change.

Was that a run-on sentence?

Marilee

Chakolate

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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
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> The only reason he uses a web based e-mail account is because he
> travels so much--and had moved a couple of times after his marriage
> (his-her houses, plus he went back to school) that it became easier to
> just use one cheesy account rather than keep notifying everyone of a
> different e-mail with each change.

I got a Hotmail account for much the same reason.



> Was that a run-on sentence?

I don't believe that a grammatically correct sentence is ever run-on,
although there are many people who disagree with me, and their quibble
seems to have more to do with construction than legibility, which is
sometimes at risk in long sentences but which, in your sentence above, is
excellent, although since we are friends, I may not have the most objective
opinion, not that one could ever have a truly objective opinion, because
objectivity requires one to be outside oneself, which is ridiculous on the
face of it, although some people do seem to be more objective than others,
which suggests that the quality of 'objectivity' is not an absolute, and
must be tempered by experience.

<scratching head> What was the question again?

Marilee

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Sep 21, 2004, 11:39:02 PM9/21/04
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:2rc872F...@uni-berlin.de:
>
> > The only reason he uses a web based e-mail account is because he
> > travels so much--and had moved a couple of times after his marriage
> > (his-her houses, plus he went back to school) that it became easier to
> > just use one cheesy account rather than keep notifying everyone of a
> > different e-mail with each change.
>
> I got a Hotmail account for much the same reason.
>
> > Was that a run-on sentence?
>
> I don't believe that a grammatically correct sentence is ever run-on,
> although there are many people who disagree with me, and their quibble
> seems to have more to do with construction than legibility, which is
> sometimes at risk in long sentences but which, in your sentence above, is
> excellent, although since we are friends, I may not have the most
objective
> opinion, not that one could ever have a truly objective opinion, because
> objectivity requires one to be outside oneself, which is ridiculous on the
> face of it, although some people do seem to be more objective than others,
> which suggests that the quality of 'objectivity' is not an absolute, and
> must be tempered by experience.

:)

FurPaw

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Marilee wrote:

> Today wasn't quite as bad as yesterday--not that things were working better,
> but the initial horrible shock was over. We knew yesterday was the "turn
> on" day, and though I didn't have high hopes for smooth sailing, I was
> totally unprepared for how lousy it really was. I'm sure it had more to do
> with thousands of users suddenly using a web program that had been tested by
> tens than that it's a bad system, but I'm ever shocked that the I/S
> department seems not to have anticipated any of it. I think they likely
> figured that there would be some speed tweaking that needed to be done; I
> don't think in their wildest imaginings they pictured the total annihilation
> of our ability to perform some of our daily tasks.

So typical of cutovers of a complicated system! Testers usually only
have time to verify that it does what it's supposed to, with no time to
try to break it or put it under load.

Did they keep your old system on line running in parallel as a backup,
or was it a complete cold, massive cutover?

BTDT. Sigh. You have my sympathy.

Chakolate

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FurPaw <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in news:_qSdnbhJRPBrac3cRVn-
i...@comcast.com:

> Did they keep your old system on line running in parallel as a backup,
> or was it a complete cold, massive cutover?
>

Oh, I can answer that one, without even trying. There was no parallel.
The new system was, as all new systems are, perfect, and therefore there
was no need for a backup.

Louise Bremner

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Chakolate <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:

> FurPaw <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in news:_qSdnbhJRPBrac3cRVn-
> i...@comcast.com:
>
> > Did they keep your old system on line running in parallel as a backup,
> > or was it a complete cold, massive cutover?
> >
>
> Oh, I can answer that one, without even trying. There was no parallel.
> The new system was, as all new systems are, perfect, and therefore there
> was no need for a backup.

*cringe*

________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!

Keera Ann Fox

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Chakolate <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:

> ke...@online.no (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in
> news:1gkhhpr.6lpev91iowv7mN%ke...@online.no:
>
> > Learning more CSS and redesigning my webpages.
>
> I recently downloaded the Alleycode HTML editor, and I'm going to try to
> put together a webpage. If I ever succeed, I'll post the URL.

Looking forward to it!

--
****** Keera in Norway ******
* Think big. Shrink to fit. *
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

Marilee

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"FurPaw" <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Marilee wrote:
>
> > Today wasn't quite as bad as yesterday--not that things were working
better,
> > but the initial horrible shock was over. We knew yesterday was the
"turn
> > on" day, and though I didn't have high hopes for smooth sailing, I was
> > totally unprepared for how lousy it really was. I'm sure it had more to
do
> > with thousands of users suddenly using a web program that had been
tested by
> > tens than that it's a bad system, but I'm ever shocked that the I/S
> > department seems not to have anticipated any of it. I think they likely
> > figured that there would be some speed tweaking that needed to be done;
I
> > don't think in their wildest imaginings they pictured the total
annihilation
> > of our ability to perform some of our daily tasks.
>
> So typical of cutovers of a complicated system! Testers usually only
> have time to verify that it does what it's supposed to, with no time to
> try to break it or put it under load.
>
> Did they keep your old system on line running in parallel as a backup,
> or was it a complete cold, massive cutover?

The change was not a true changeover from one system to another; it was an
implemented interaction. Now, in order to perform some tasks (not all, but
many of the basics like address changes, which are, after all, Very
Important) we must enter them on the web-based operation, then move to the
old tried-and-true mainframe system and order it to "accept" the changes.
The fields for entering the same changes on mainframe have been eliminated.

And it was a massive implementation. We absolutely *cannot* use the old
program the old way. I'm sure they have I/S people working round the clock
right now, but I am not even -hoping- that things will be fine, today.

>
> BTDT. Sigh. You have my sympathy.

Thanks. It's always an adventure, that's for sure!

Marilee, keeping a stiff upper


Chris Malcolm

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Sep 22, 2004, 9:34:09 AM9/22/04
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Chakolate <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:
> FurPaw <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in news:_qSdnbhJRPBrac3cRVn-
> i...@comcast.com:

>> Did they keep your old system on line running in parallel as a backup,
>> or was it a complete cold, massive cutover?
>>

> Oh, I can answer that one, without even trying. There was no parallel.
> The new system was, as all new systems are, perfect, and therefore there
> was no need for a backup.

It was 40 years ago that I first learned how to cut in new commercial
software systems, and *everyone* knew that there *had* to be a period
of parallel running in the *testing* phase as *well* as the
implenentation, and in *addition* to that a fall back system *had* to
be available which could handle the load.

Where do these twits get their education? I know the answer to that
one: 40 years ago there weren't degrees in computer science (well,
very few), let alone e-business :-)

--
Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Mickey

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Sedum Autmn Joy - still blooming in my garden (doesn't start until August)

my moonbeam coreopsis is still going strong since JUNE

a beautiful annual (i know you said perrenial) that is too good to pass up
is lantana camera. it looks spectacular in my garden (nj zone 6). it's
colors are hot red (that deep orange red color) with intermitant petals of
yellow and orange. it's also a favorite of butterflies. it's in the verbena
family.

http://www.hear.org/pier/imagepages/singles/lacamp45.htm

this isn't a great photo but since i've lost my memory stick for my digital
camera, i have to rely on web pics.

if you become a member of gardenweb forums, there is a forum for northwest
gardeners, etc.

mickey

> I need to make notes this fall to remind myself
> > about stuff next spring. I also need to find some perennials that bloom
> > mid-August.
>

Mickey

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Sep 22, 2004, 9:47:42 AM9/22/04
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you never cease to make me chuckle..............thanks chuck, um, er, i mean
chak.

mickey


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Sue and Kevin Mullen

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Chakolate wrote:

> All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I wonder
> if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if you're Down
> Under.)

My only other newsgroup is a cruise related one and that has been
busier then normal, mainly because of all the hurricane related
problems. There are a lot of posters there that live in Florida and
then of course the cruise ships were constant changing there itins.

> So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to?

I have been busy doing things in our new house, lots of shopping
involved(grin). I also haven't been feeling well, just CFS acting up
from doing too much and not resting when I need to. I haven't been
posting a lot recently, but I have been reading most of the posts. I
am very often way behind and by the time I see a post I want to reply
to, it is too late to bother. There are other times that I want to say
something, but just can't put the words together.

The big news from me is that is has now been SIX MONTHS since the last
drop of the red stuff!!

sue - who is always behind!

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Marilee

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"Susan " <suf...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
> In article <2rbh7rF...@uni-berlin.de>, "Marilee"

> <marilee....@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I also need to find some perennials that bloom
> >mid-August.
>
> Japanese anemone!!
>
> I love it and miss it.
>
> When is the granddaughter due?

September 25th.

Marilee


>
> Susan


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Joanne & Ned

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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> All the message counts for all my ngs are down considerably, and I wonder
> if it's because at end-of-summer, everybody would rather be outdoors
> enjoying what's left. (Or enjoying the approaching spring, if you're Down
> Under.)
>
> So I ask, what's everybody doing? What are you up to? What would you
like
> to be up to?
>
> I just admitted defeat to the professor whose course I was trying to
> complete, so I'm feeling a bit liberated right now. (The aftermath will
> close in later.) Today, I'm loafing 100% (as opposed to much usual
mumble-
> mumble percentage) and tomorrow I'm going to start posting flyers for math
> tutoring, and start looking for jobs.
>
> Next?
>
Spending time between two houses - not getting enough done at either. Hope
the floors are finished this weekend, so we can start moving things into the
house. Want to plant a fall/winter garden at the new home if I get around
to it. Trying to get my lip back in shape after not playing my horn.
Started singing with a small group of people for my friend who puts on
mini-concerts at her house. My voice isn't great, but I make up for it by
being excellent at reading music. We're singing some spirituals and lots of
"aleluias"!

Dealing with DS's high school. He was supposed to start out in a 2 year
algebra class according to his IEP. Somehow he ended up in the one year
course. After three weeks they noticed the mistake and decided to "correct"
it. Problem was, they didn't check to see if he was doing just fine in the
one year class, thank you. And they didn't contact us (parents) first. We
found out when he was sick one day last week and he casually said he would
be missing the first day of the class change. What change!? The teacher he
had said he was doing all right so far, but it is still review material. We
went in to see his counselor. She said his "case manager" asked for the
change. When I talked to the case manager later, she said she didn't know
who made the change. Jeez. After reviewing his test scores from the
previous year (which were quite high in math), they decided to switch him
back to the original schedule. We were telling the counselor that he gets
marked down in math for not "showing his work". He does it in his head,
doesn't write down the process. She wasn't getting it, so I commented
"you're not a math person, are you?" That seemed to help.

Playing with my doggie.

Got to go fill in cracks with wood filler now.

Joanne


Marilee

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"Susan " <suf...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> In article <2rdntkF...@uni-berlin.de>, "Marilee"
> <marilee....@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>September 25th.
>
> Cool, that's so soon! Hope it's an easy birth and a happy baby!
>
> Have you thought about what you would like your grand name to be, or are
> you
> going to leave it to chance?

I've thought about it lots. I absolutely, positively **do not** want to be
"grandma". I need to ask my sisters if they mind if I use the same title
as our maternal grandmother had (given her by my older sister, her first
grandchild) which was "Ama". I haven't worked up the courage to ask, yet,
though. It's not that they'll stop me if that's what I settle on; it's that
if they object it will make me feel bad....

Marilee


Chakolate

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"Mickey" <mbea...@omega-advisors.com> wrote in
news:2rde5tF...@uni-berlin.de:

> you never cease to make me chuckle..............thanks chuck, um, er,
> i mean chak.
>

:-)

Chakolate

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Sue and Kevin Mullen <kjmu...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:2rdhrtF...@uni-berlin.de:

> I have been busy doing things in our new house, lots of shopping
> involved(grin). I also haven't been feeling well, just CFS acting up
> from doing too much and not resting when I need to. I haven't been
> posting a lot recently, but I have been reading most of the posts. I
> am very often way behind and by the time I see a post I want to reply
> to, it is too late to bother. There are other times that I want to say
> something, but just can't put the words together.

Are you trying to do too much? Even shopping can be exhausting.

> The big news from me is that is has now been SIX MONTHS since the last
> drop of the red stuff!!

<furiously knocking wood> Eggcellent!

Chakolate

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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2rds4lF...@uni-berlin.de:

> I've thought about it lots. I absolutely, positively **do not** want
> to be "grandma". I need to ask my sisters if they mind if I use the
> same title as our maternal grandmother had (given her by my older
> sister, her first grandchild) which was "Ama". I haven't worked up
> the courage to ask, yet, though. It's not that they'll stop me if
> that's what I settle on; it's that if they object it will make me feel
> bad....
>

I've always liked 'Queenie'.

Chakolate, grandchildless and probably a good thing

Chakolate

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"Joanne & Ned" <ajik...@sonic.net> wrote in
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> We were telling the counselor that he gets
> marked down in math for not "showing his work". He does it in his head,
> doesn't write down the process. She wasn't getting it, so I commented
> "you're not a math person, are you?" That seemed to help.
>

Really brilliant math students have a hard time with 'showing their work'.
They often feel there's nothing to show, it's obvious.

FWIW, if he goes into math eventually, he'll have that problem again.
Sometimes you get so worried about missing a step you re-invent the wheel.
(Using pi, of course.)

Chakolate

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Mickey

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Sep 22, 2004, 2:14:58 PM9/22/04
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see, there ya go again.........

:O)

mickey

Edna Pearl

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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> What are you up to?

Having writer's block. I have a project due next week that just. won't.
get. going. I'm slow getting started because I was ill the first part of
the month with you know what and then Hurricane Ivan hit us. Today, I
swear, today.

The hurricane-related interruptions don't help. I've stayed busy
rescheduling appointments (dentist, chiropractor, shrink) cancelled by
Hurricane Ivan and contacting roofers, fencers, etc.

My SO was here until yesterday because his house didn't have electricity,
and he made a fair dent in cleaning up the hurricane debris in the yard, but
there's still more to be done. My back can't handle the work; I don't know
where I'd be without him. But having him here all the time was driving me
slightly nuts. I need a lot of time alone. Always have. So I finally ran
him off yesterday, and I hope I can get some work done today.

> What would you like
> to be up to?

I would like to lose some of this excess weight and do some traveling. I've
got the wanderlust. There have been airfare drops to all my favorite
destinations.

The only thing that is stopping me is that I took three months off last year
when my family caught cancer and my brother died and my SO had surgery, etc.
etc., and I'm still not caught up financially. Also, I seem to be having
trouble planning and making decisions lately, which is not like me.
Generally, I'm very decisive and organized. I think I'm just burned out
from all the physical pain, medical problems, and the everyday stresses of
my work. I guess I really do need a vacation before I burn completely out.
Maybe the first of October. Maybe Taos, where I visit every year, though
I'm also wanting to go to Italy or Scandinavia. I haven't been abroad since
2001.

Nice thread -- thanks Chak.

ep

Chakolate

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Sep 22, 2004, 2:23:03 PM9/22/04
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CG <cathg_S_PAM_F...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tkf3l0po5bq3umi3i...@4ax.com:

> On 22 Sep 2004 17:58:55 GMT, Chakolate


> <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:
>
>>"Joanne & Ned" <ajik...@sonic.net> wrote in
>>news:8ii4d.14688$54.2...@typhoon.sonic.net:
>>
>>> We were telling the counselor that he gets
>>> marked down in math for not "showing his work". He does it in his
>>> head, doesn't write down the process. She wasn't getting it, so I
>>> commented "you're not a math person, are you?" That seemed to help.
>>>
>>
>>Really brilliant math students have a hard time with 'showing their
>>work'. They often feel there's nothing to show, it's obvious.
>>
>>FWIW, if he goes into math eventually, he'll have that problem again.
>>Sometimes you get so worried about missing a step you re-invent the
>>wheel. (Using pi, of course.)

> Your cat invented the wheel? ;-)

Not 'Pi', 'pi'. Sheesh. You know, that round pastry with fruit filling?

Chakolate

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Sep 22, 2004, 2:26:44 PM9/22/04
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"Edna Pearl" <edna_...@BiteMeSpammeryahoo.com> wrote in
news:Glj4d.620765$Gx4.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> The only thing that is stopping me is that I took three months off
> last year when my family caught cancer and my brother died and my SO
> had surgery, etc. etc., and I'm still not caught up financially.
> Also, I seem to be having trouble planning and making decisions
> lately, which is not like me. Generally, I'm very decisive and
> organized. I think I'm just burned out from all the physical pain,
> medical problems, and the everyday stresses of my work.

Indecisiveness is sometimes peri- or midlife-related. Now for my family,
especially me, waffling is our favorite sport.

> I guess I
> really do need a vacation before I burn completely out. Maybe the
> first of October. Maybe Taos, where I visit every year, though I'm
> also wanting to go to Italy or Scandinavia. I haven't been abroad
> since 2001.

If I ever get around to leaving the USA, I'm going to Norway, to see the
fjords. (And Keera, of course.)


> Nice thread -- thanks Chak.


You're welcome. You will learn that I'm capable of doing just about
anything to keep from doing the work I have to do.

Sue and Kevin Mullen

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Sep 22, 2004, 2:55:43 PM9/22/04
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Marilee wrote:

Hope all goes well and please we want details when the baby is born!

sue

Sue and Kevin Mullen

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Sep 22, 2004, 3:01:46 PM9/22/04
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Chakolate wrote:

> Sue and Kevin Mullen <kjmu...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:2rdhrtF...@uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>>I have been busy doing things in our new house, lots of shopping
>>involved(grin). I also haven't been feeling well, just CFS acting up
>>from doing too much and not resting when I need to. I haven't been
>>posting a lot recently, but I have been reading most of the posts. I
>>am very often way behind and by the time I see a post I want to reply
>>to, it is too late to bother. There are other times that I want to say
>>something, but just can't put the words together.
>
>
> Are you trying to do too much? Even shopping can be exhausting.

There was a period of time that I was pushing myself too much, I just
wanted to see things in place. Since then I have backed off and
rested, but life hasn't let me get enough rest. I am working on
resting now and have put off all shopping for the house untill I start
to get my energy back.

>>The big news from me is that is has now been SIX MONTHS since the last
>>drop of the red stuff!!
>
> <furiously knocking wood> Eggcellent!

Thank you! It has reached the point that I am willing to talk about
it, just in whispers.....LOL

sue


Mickey

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my one dream vacation is to take a tour in south america with a guide to
search for as many tropical butterflies that i could find. i would love to
see the blue morpho in his real environment and not at a museum's butterfly
exhibit.

i'm absolutely facinated by those beautiful creatures. if i didn't have to
learn about lots of other bugs, i'd go to school to study them.

mickey


> If I ever get around to leaving the USA, I'm going to Norway, to see the
> fjords. (And Keera, of course.)
>
>

Cathy Friedmann

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Sep 22, 2004, 4:55:15 PM9/22/04
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"Mickey" <mbea...@omega-advisors.com> wrote in message
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> Sedum Autmn Joy - still blooming in my garden (doesn't start until August)
>
> my moonbeam coreopsis is still going strong since JUNE

I tried one of these several years ago & it just sort of... sat there;
thought it would bloom its little head off all summer. Maybe it didn't like
its location - don't know.

> a beautiful annual (i know you said perrenial) that is too good to pass up
> is lantana camera. it looks spectacular in my garden (nj zone 6).

I'm in 5, verging on 4.

> it's
> colors are hot red (that deep orange red color) with intermitant petals of
> yellow and orange. it's also a favorite of butterflies. it's in the
verbena
> family.
>
> http://www.hear.org/pier/imagepages/singles/lacamp45.htm
>
> this isn't a great photo but since i've lost my memory stick for my
digital
> camera, i have to rely on web pics.

I grew something along this line (as an annual) a couple of summers ago -
looked very tropical & exotic. Must've been in the same family.

Cathy

Cathy Friedmann

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"Susan " <suf...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
> In article <2rbh7rF...@uni-berlin.de>, "Marilee"
> <marilee....@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I also need to find some perennials that bloom
> >mid-August.
>
> Japanese anemone!!
>
> I love it and miss it.

Oh, yeah - I remember earmarking that one in a garden catalogue several
years ago, but never actually bought it.

Cathy

>
> When is the granddaughter due?
>

> Susan


Cathy Friedmann

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> "Joanne & Ned" <ajik...@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:8ii4d.14688$54.2...@typhoon.sonic.net:
>
> > We were telling the counselor that he gets
> > marked down in math for not "showing his work". He does it in his head,
> > doesn't write down the process. She wasn't getting it, so I commented
> > "you're not a math person, are you?" That seemed to help.
> >
>
> Really brilliant math students have a hard time with 'showing their work'.
> They often feel there's nothing to show, it's obvious.
>
> FWIW, if he goes into math eventually, he'll have that problem again.
> Sometimes you get so worried about missing a step you re-invent the wheel.
> (Using pi, of course.)
>
> Chakolate

On the NYS grade 4 & 8 Math tests you often have to show your work (which
doesn't bother me), but to top it off, you often have to "justify your
answer" via writing sentences, explaining how you arrived at the answer.
This last one annoys me no end. It's a _Math_ test, not an ELA test (which
they also take, & which includes writing galore!) Don't know about the
Regents tests - how they're scored, re: showing work &/or justifying
answers.

Cathy


Shirley

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>
> "Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:2rbre4F...@uni-berlin.de...
>
> > I'm spending quite a bit of time trying to give oral medication to
my
> > prickly visitor, it's very difficult when the recipient of the
meds
> > can curl up and do a very good impression of a pin cushion...only
2
> > more days to go :-)
>
> How is she (he?) doing? Better/more robust now, I hope!
>

She seems to be improving, is eating and only coming out at night.
When I give her her morning meds she's usually very sleepy and
*grumpy* lol, she grumbles and tries to hide herself from the nasty
human.


--
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> "Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in
news:2rbre4F18u1ogU1@uni-
> berlin.de:

>
> > I'm spending quite a bit of time trying to give oral medication to
my
> > prickly visitor, it's very difficult when the recipient of the
meds
> > can curl up and do a very good impression of a pin cushion...only
2
> > more days to go :-)
>
> And the little guy is doing well? Does he trust you well enough to
open up
> a bit?

I've found if I turn her on her side she uncurls just enough so I can
see her mouth but her legs stay tucked in and the medication doesn't
get squirted all over her tummy. We've found she has a liking for
peanuts so she gets a couple as a treat each night. She is more
trusting and will wander around on my lap, try to burrow through my
stomache or explore the inside of my sleeve but the slightest noise
(they have very sensitive hearing) and she curls up for a few seconds.

>
> > Weather permitting I've been pootling round the garden deadheading
> > Dahlias etc
>
> "Deadheading Dahlias". Sounds like the title of a Raymond Chandler
> mystery.

You think I may have missed my true calling in life ? I can see the
advertising blurb - Title by S.Holland story by <insert author of
choice> :-)

Chakolate

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"Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in news:2re8vvF19to24U1@uni-
berlin.de:

Heck, we could write it ourselves -

"It was a dark and stormy night, the kind of night that murders
happen; however, no murder did happen, at least, not until the next morning
when the sun was out, although the phrase 'when the sun was out' is
misleading, since the earth orbits around the sun and one could say that
the sun is always out, and the earth daily turns its back on the sun, but I
frown on anthropomorphising non-human objects, although it's quite poetic
to speak of the dance of the celestial bodies, still poetry has no place
in a mystery novel, and that's what this is, mostly."

Okay, I did the first paragraph, who wants to do the next one?

Chakolate

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"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in
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> On the NYS grade 4 & 8 Math tests you often have to show your work
> (which doesn't bother me), but to top it off, you often have to
> "justify your answer" via writing sentences, explaining how you
> arrived at the answer. This last one annoys me no end. It's a _Math_
> test, not an ELA test (which they also take, & which includes writing
> galore!) Don't know about the Regents tests - how they're scored, re:
> showing work &/or justifying answers.
>

I used to think that including writing in every aspect of a child's
education was a good thing. Now, however, I think children who are good at
math but not good at complete sentences should get some acknowledgement for
their strength in math.

It's especially important to me now that I help care for an autistic boy.
Long before he could make complete sentences, he could count backward from
20.

Shirley

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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I wanted to be called Grandma but have ended up being called Nanny
which I hate, it makes me think of prim and proper grey haired ladies
wearing dark, high necked dresses and starched white aprons <not me at
all>. :-)

I hope you have as much fun with your g-daughter (when she arrives) as
I have with mine.

Shirley

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"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "FurPaw" <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:jvidnex_RKj...@comcast.com...

> > Cathy Friedmann wrote:
> >
> > > "Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:2rbh7rF...@uni-berlin.de...

> >
> > >> I need to make notes this fall to remind myself
> > >>about stuff next spring. I also need to find some perennials
that bloom
> > >>mid-August.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not enough of them, IMO. My garden looks best up through
early-mid
> July.
> >
> > Have you all considered local wildflowers?
>
> Loosestrife is the biggy in August around here - one sees it along
the
> Thruway in July & August; I already have the garden variety,
Morden's Pink.
>
> > Sunflowers?
>
> The tall ones wouldn't 'work' in my perennial bed - they're just too
tall,
> although there are shorter varieties I think. But basically, I'm
just not
> big on sunflowers... :-(
>
> > Gailardia?
>
> This one's a possibility, although I;'ve never been all that fond of
it,
> either. I have plenty of gardening books, tables showing what
perennials
> bloom when, etc. But I think most of what I like the best in
flowers
> (primroses, delphinium, lupines, digitalis, astilbes, monarda....)
just
> happen to bloom in the first half to 2/3 of summer. I cut back the
bachelor
> buttons to encourage a second blooming, for example, but it's meager
> compared to their first blooming.

"Batchelor Buttons", would that be Kerria Japonica ?

We have some self set Sunflowers growing in among the potato plants, I
love the way they turn their flowers so they always facing the sun. I
have quite a few Pyrocantha bushes in the garden and the berries give
a good show of colour at this time of year plus the birds really
appreciate them too.

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Edna Pearl

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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Deadheading Dahlias".

>
> "It was a dark and stormy night, the kind of night that murders
> happen; however, no murder did happen, at least, not until the next
morning
> when the sun was out, although the phrase 'when the sun was out' is
> misleading, since the earth orbits around the sun and one could say that
> the sun is always out, and the earth daily turns its back on the sun, but
I
> frown on anthropomorphising non-human objects, although it's quite poetic
> to speak of the dance of the celestial bodies, still poetry has no place
> in a mystery novel, and that's what this is, mostly."

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Buster and Chester were just returning from a
couple of weeks riding the range, their oilskin raincoats steaming in the
chilly storm and stinking of horse sweat. Dahlia appeared in the doorway of
the ranchhouse, silhouetted against the light of the oil lamp in the room
beyond. "You gentlemen have an objectionable odor," Dahlia stated, with her
customary decorum, elegance, and candor. "Dinner will be served after you
have bathed and changed into clean clothes. The parson is joining us for
dinner, and has already got drunk as a goat waiting for you."

FurPaw

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Chakolate wrote:

> Really brilliant math students have a hard time with 'showing their work'.
> They often feel there's nothing to show, it's obvious.
>
> FWIW, if he goes into math eventually, he'll have that problem again.
> Sometimes you get so worried about missing a step you re-invent the wheel.
> (Using pi, of course.)

We're not going to start up the pi throwing contest again, are we?

FurPaw

--
"In a sense, we are hallucinating all the time.
What we call normal vision is our selecting the
hallucination that best fits reality."
- V. S. Ramachandran

To reply, unleash the dog

FurPaw

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Edna Pearl wrote:

Buster stuck out his jaw and challenged her: "Whaddaya mean, drunk as a
goat? Have you ever seen a drunk goat? How many goats do you know?
Did you hear the one about the goat who walked into the bar?"

The remainder of the joke will remain untold and unheard, thanks to
Chester picking up a poker and knocking Buster upside the head. As
Buster staggered around the room the goat-drunk parson wandered in,
wobbled into Dahlia and knocked her down, which gave the room a view of
her ample petticoats. Chester, ever alert to the niceties of decorum,
shouldered the parson back through the door into the accelerating wind.

>>who wants to do the next one?
>
>
>

FurPaw

Cathy Friedmann

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"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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> "Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in
> news:2re7rsF...@uni-berlin.de:
>
> > On the NYS grade 4 & 8 Math tests you often have to show your work
> > (which doesn't bother me), but to top it off, you often have to
> > "justify your answer" via writing sentences, explaining how you
> > arrived at the answer. This last one annoys me no end. It's a _Math_
> > test, not an ELA test (which they also take, & which includes writing
> > galore!) Don't know about the Regents tests - how they're scored, re:
> > showing work &/or justifying answers.
> >
>
> I used to think that including writing in every aspect of a child's
> education was a good thing. Now, however, I think children who are good
at
> math but not good at complete sentences should get some acknowledgement
for
> their strength in math.
>
> It's especially important to me now that I help care for an autistic boy.
> Long before he could make complete sentences, he could count backward from
> 20.

Exactly. They are given an ELA test (3-day affair), which tests their
comprehension - silent reading & listening, & writing skills. IMO, the Math
test (also a biggy) should test only Math, & not be designed to partially
drag down a kid who is good at Math but crummy in language skills. (Is there
any math on the ELA test, to partially defeat a kid who's good at language
skills, but not in Math?? No, of course not. So... hello, SED!?)

Cathy


Cathy Friedmann

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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Susan " <suf...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> news:20040922125048...@mb-m23.aol.com...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > In article <2rdntkF...@uni-berlin.de>, "Marilee"
> > <marilee....@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >>September 25th.
> >
> > Cool, that's so soon! Hope it's an easy birth and a happy baby!
> >
> > Have you thought about what you would like your grand name to be, or are
> > you
> > going to leave it to chance?
>
> I've thought about it lots. I absolutely, positively **do not** want to
be
> "grandma". I need to ask my sisters if they mind if I use the same title
> as our maternal grandmother had (given her by my older sister, her first
> grandchild) which was "Ama". I haven't worked up the courage to ask, yet,
> though. It's not that they'll stop me if that's what I settle on; it's
that
> if they object it will make me feel bad....
>
> Marilee

A friend who's goiung to be a first-time grandmother next spring wants to be
called "Glamma". ;-)

Cathy
>
>


News

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"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.

Gwen
> Cathy
>>
>>
>
>


Chakolate

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"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in
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> A friend who's goiung to be a first-time grandmother next spring wants
> to be called "Glamma". ;-)
>

Oooh, excellent choice.

Marilee

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"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Hey, now that's not too bad!

Marilee


>
> Cathy
>>
>>
>
>


Marilee

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"News" <gs1276...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>>> yet,
>>> though. It's not that they'll stop me if that's what I settle on; it's
>> that
>>> if they object it will make me feel bad....
>>>
>>> Marilee
>>
>> A friend who's goiung to be a first-time grandmother next spring wants to
>> be
>> called "Glamma". ;-)
>>
> I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.

That's what my sister's grandchildren call her!

Marilee

Cathy Friedmann

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"Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:2rbq33F...@uni-berlin.de...
<snipped> But I think most of what I like the best in

> flowers
> > (primroses, delphinium, lupines, digitalis, astilbes, monarda....)
> just
> > happen to bloom in the first half to 2/3 of summer. I cut back the
> bachelor
> > buttons to encourage a second blooming, for example, but it's meager
> > compared to their first blooming.
>
> "Batchelor Buttons", would that be Kerria Japonica ?

Nope. It's centaurea montana:
http://www.cobleskill.edu/courses/orht321/Centaureamontana0007.jpg

and

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/factsheets/perennials/images/picts/CentaMo1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/factsheets/perennials/images/centamo1.htm&h=285&w=450&sz=58&tbnid=LY1eVdiAGGYJ:&tbnh=78&tbnw=123&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dperennial%2Bbachelor%2Bbuttons%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN
(TinyURL isn't loading for me for some reason, right now.)

Cathy

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Marilee

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"Susan " <suf...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
> In article <2rds4lF...@uni-berlin.de>, "Marilee"

> <marilee....@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I need to ask my sisters if they mind if I use the same title
>>as our maternal grandmother had (given her by my older sister, her first
>>grandchild) which was "Ama". I haven't worked up the courage to ask, yet,

>>though. It's not that they'll stop me if that's what I settle on; it's
>>that
>>if they object it will make me feel bad....
>
> Ooh, I can see how that'd be tricky. I think most folks are so touched by
> your
> expressed concern for their feelings that they quickly agree to whatever
> it is
> you're asking. Do you think your sisters have a particular reason to be
> disagreeable or hurt in any way by your preference?

Not at all. It's just one of those unknowns. Ama was Ama. I was well into
my 30s before I found out that the Icelandic word for grandma is ama--my
older sister couldn't say "grandma", and it's the derivative she landed on;
it stuck. (Note: we are not Icelandic.)

Really, I don't ~think~ they'll care. It's just that sometimes people
surprise you. I'm still pondering the name thing, though, and haven't truly
settled on anything.

Marilee


Cathy Friedmann

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"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Your request should be no problem, IMO.

My mother has insisted from day 1 that she be called "Grandmother" by her
grandchildren. Personally, I always thought that's a little weird, esp.
when the child is just starting to talk, to have to come put w/ that
mouthful. Otoh, if it's her preference, okay... a litlte weird, but okay...
*But*, she also insists that the kids call Dad "Grandfather". When in fact,
I get the feeling that Dad would *rather* be called "Grandpa", so _that_
annoys me, a lot.

Cathy


Sue and Kevin Mullen

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News wrote:

> I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.
>

Congratulations, do you know if it is a boy or a girl?

sue

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"Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:2rc5ilF...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Shirley" <s.hol...@CATntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:2rbre4F...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > > I'm spending quite a bit of time trying to give oral medication to
> my
> > > prickly visitor, it's very difficult when the recipient of the
> meds
> > > can curl up and do a very good impression of a pin cushion...only
> 2
> > > more days to go :-)
> >
> > How is she (he?) doing? Better/more robust now, I hope!
> >
>
> She seems to be improving, is eating and only coming out at night.

Good! :-))

> When I give her her morning meds she's usually very sleepy and
> *grumpy* lol, she grumbles and tries to hide herself from the nasty
> human.

Nah - just the bearer of the nasty medicine. ;-)

Cathy


FurPaw

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News wrote:

> I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.
>
> Gwen

Congratulations, Gwen! Do you know if it will be a boy or a girl yet?

News

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"Sue and Kevin Mullen" <kjmu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> News wrote:
>
>> I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.
>>
>
> Congratulations, do you know if it is a boy or a girl?
>
Thank you.
No, they don't want to know.

Gwen


> sue
>


News

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"FurPaw" <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> News wrote:
>
>> I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.
>>
>> Gwen
>
> Congratulations, Gwen! Do you know if it will be a boy or a girl yet?
>
Thanks.

No, they don't want to know.
Gwen

> FurPaw

Keera Ann Fox

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Sep 23, 2004, 1:16:59 AM9/23/04
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Cathy Friedmann <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote:

> My mother has insisted from day 1 that she be called "Grandmother" by her
> grandchildren. Personally, I always thought that's a little weird, esp.
> when the child is just starting to talk, to have to come put w/ that
> mouthful. Otoh, if it's her preference, okay... a litlte weird, but okay...
> *But*, she also insists that the kids call Dad "Grandfather". When in fact,
> I get the feeling that Dad would *rather* be called "Grandpa", so _that_
> annoys me, a lot.

Since I was lucky enough to grow up with two full sets of grandparents,
one set was Grandma and Grandpa and the other set Grandmother and
Grandfather. I loved being able to tell them apart like that.

--
****** Keera in Norway ******
* Think big. Shrink to fit. *
http://home.online.no/~kafox/

ter...@vverizon.net

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How do you test math without language skills? Surely kids are required
to solve math problems in word form as well as rows of figures with
operators? I can see not marking a kid down for not answering math
problems in complete sentences - hell, complete sentences are often
inappropriate as well as being a waste of time that should be spent on
the math concepts, but a kid needs to have decent reading comprehension
to be able to do real life (and often science) math applications.

I took math courses as electives when I went back to school as an adult
because math teaches you ways of thinking that no other subject can
teach. But if you take away *all* of the language component the student
loses a lot of that benefit.

Mickey

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Sep 23, 2004, 8:26:14 AM9/23/04
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my kids call their grandparents grandma j and pop-pop and my parents are
grandma d and grandpa d. now that my kids are grown, they've taken to
calling pop-pop grandpa.

mickey


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Sue and Kevin Mullen

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Just let us know when you become a grandma.

sue

Chakolate

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"ter...@vverizon.net" <ter...@vverizon.net> wrote in
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> How do you test math without language skills? Surely kids are required
> to solve math problems in word form as well as rows of figures with
> operators? I can see not marking a kid down for not answering math
> problems in complete sentences - hell, complete sentences are often
> inappropriate as well as being a waste of time that should be spent on
> the math concepts, but a kid needs to have decent reading comprehension
> to be able to do real life (and often science) math applications.
>
> I took math courses as electives when I went back to school as an adult
> because math teaches you ways of thinking that no other subject can
> teach. But if you take away *all* of the language component the student
> loses a lot of that benefit.
>

Language skills are as necessary for math as for anything else, especially
applied math. I don't dispute that. I can just see that for those with
poor language skills, it was nice to have a test they could ace.

Priscilla Ballou

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Sep 23, 2004, 1:03:55 PM9/23/04
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In article <20040922222606...@mb-m06.aol.com>,

suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan ) wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> In article <2rds4lF...@uni-berlin.de>, "Marilee"
> <marilee....@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I need to ask my sisters if they mind if I use the same title
> >as our maternal grandmother had (given her by my older sister, her first
> >grandchild) which was "Ama". I haven't worked up the courage to ask, yet,
> >though. It's not that they'll stop me if that's what I settle on; it's that
> >if they object it will make me feel bad....
>
> Ooh, I can see how that'd be tricky. I think most folks are so touched by
> your
> expressed concern for their feelings that they quickly agree to whatever it
> is
> you're asking. Do you think your sisters have a particular reason to be
> disagreeable or hurt in any way by your preference?
>
> I think it's sweet, and a great name.

When my father was growing up in China, "Ama" was the name given to
one's nurse or nanny.

> I don't like grandma, either.

I do. It's what I called the one grandmother I knew. My mother insists
upon being called "Granny" to our vast amusement and puzzlement. She is
much better suited to being called "Grand-mere" or "Grandmother."

Priscilla

Priscilla Ballou

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Sep 23, 2004, 1:06:25 PM9/23/04
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In article <2req3rF...@uni-berlin.de>,
"Marilee" <marilee....@gmail.com> wrote:

> "News" <gs1276...@charter.net> wrote in message

> > I'll be a first time grandma next month. I'm going to be called Nana.


>
> That's what my sister's grandchildren call her!

My great-aunt's grandkids (a.k.a. my second cousins) called her Nana.

Priscilla

Amethyst aka Harry Andruschak

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Sep 23, 2004, 1:14:05 PM9/23/04
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>Subject: Re: OT - slow time on usenet
>From: Priscilla Ballou vze2...@verizon.net
>Date: 9/23/04 10:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <vze23t8n-B4D9BD...@news.verizon.net>

My 80 year old Mother has a liscense plate holder that reads:

Grandmothers are Great
Great-Grandmothers are Awesome

Yes, she currently has two great-grandchildren. <G>

Reply to HarryAndruschak AT aol DOT com
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Jette Goldie

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Sep 23, 2004, 2:20:38 PM9/23/04
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"Keera Ann Fox" <ke...@online.no> wrote in message
news:1gkk14r.1xqvgrrg0zfb1N%ke...@online.no...
> Cathy Friedmann <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > My mother has insisted from day 1 that she be called "Grandmother" by
her
> > grandchildren. Personally, I always thought that's a little weird, esp.
> > when the child is just starting to talk, to have to come put w/ that
> > mouthful. Otoh, if it's her preference, okay... a litlte weird, but
okay...
> > *But*, she also insists that the kids call Dad "Grandfather". When in
fact,
> > I get the feeling that Dad would *rather* be called "Grandpa", so _that_
> > annoys me, a lot.
>
> Since I was lucky enough to grow up with two full sets of grandparents,
> one set was Grandma and Grandpa and the other set Grandmother and
> Grandfather. I loved being able to tell them apart like that.


I had Granny Crockhard and Gran and Grandad Gibson.

Granny Crockhard (mum's mum) lived with us - she had a
lot of the job of raising me. When you think of silver haired
grannies knitting, that was Granny.

When you think of 70 yo women claiming to have "not a
grey hair on their heads" (but there were bottles of
black dye in the bathroom) and to have "just collected
their pensioner's bus pass" (yeah, from the table in the
hall), that was Gran G.

I loved it when she was implying (at a family gathering)
that she was just turning 60....... at that point Dad, her
eldest son, was turning 50. At my youngest sister's
christening (22 years younger than me) she said it was
"so nice to finally have a grandchild". (I suppose owning
up to me, my two brothers and my other sister would have
given away the truth of her age!)

--
Jette Goldie
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.


Mickey

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Sep 23, 2004, 3:47:39 PM9/23/04
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reminds me of the time my daughter had to make a family tree in third grade
and put down dates of birth, etc. my MIL lied about hers. after grandma j
left our house that night, my daughter said to my husband, is grandma
really that old? my husband and i laughed like fools..........grandma j had
told my daughter she was about 10 years younger than she really was.

mickey

Keera Ann Fox

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:18:27 PM9/23/04
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Keera Ann Fox <ke...@online.no> wrote:

> Also updating my blog and
> online photo albums with an account of a hike I was on this past
> weekend.

After having worked on one version at work for a couple of hours (slow
day), it went off into the Great Digital Void when I tried to edit from
home. Aaaaargh! But new version is now online, and I think I like it
better (first one needed editing, anyway).

If'n anyone's interested: <http://home.online.no/~kafox/blogfiles/>
Photo album here: <http://homepage.mac.com/kafox/PhotoAlbum9.html>

Sue and Kevin Mullen

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Sep 23, 2004, 5:08:30 PM9/23/04
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Keera Ann Fox wrote:

I just took a quick look to see if there was a picture of you, I have
this email saved to look at later on. That is a lovely picture of you
and I am very glad to finally see what you look like.

sue

Shirley

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Sep 23, 2004, 5:11:21 PM9/23/04
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"Jette Goldie" <j...@blueyonder.com.uk> wrote in message
news:WtE4d.93699$hZ3....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

I've heard it's common to become a bit forgetful in ones *later* years
but....

;-)

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