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Robin

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I'm in my late 40's, in perimenopause. I've been applying a natural
progesterone cream for PMS symptoms, but became lazy and stopped using
it. I mentioned to a friend of mine that much, much more of my hair is
falling out than ever before. Its disconcerting - especially becuase I
have fine/thin hair to begin with. She suggested it might be hormonal.
Don't know why I didn't figure that out myself (probably in denial), and
she suggested to start taking the Progesterone cream again to see if it
helped. It did. Within 3 days, the hair loss diminished by about 80%
of what it had been (evidenced previously by hair all over the bathroom
vanity, sink, bathroom floor). It's still a little less than a week
since I've started using it again, so hope to see even less hair loss in
time. Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my complete
lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite. Just my experience,
of course.

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Laura Blanchard

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Robin says that after resuming her use of natural progesterone cream:

>It's still a little less than a week
>since I've started using it again, so hope to see even less hair loss in
>time.

That's very interesting. I always understood hair loss to be related to
*estrogen* levels.

Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my complete
>lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite. Just my experience,
>of course.
>

A *side benefit*? You call this a *side benefit*?

Wow. A magic elixir that stops hair loss and restores sex drive. You wouldn't
happen to be selling the stuff, would you? My apologies if you're simply a
satisfied user, but most of the people coming here making these kinds of claims
for natural progresterone cream turn out to have a financial interest in it, so
I'm sure you can understand my wariness.


Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lblan...@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/lblanch000/
http://menopause.tripod.com (Land o'Links --
click the cormorant for Menopause & Beyond)

jmlemail

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Jul 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/3/00
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Where does one buy this magic cream? How much does it cost?
And it works instantly? Did you count the hairs on your bathroom
floor to know that in three days it reduced hair loss by 80%.
This is amazing. What did your doctors tell you about your
alarming hair loss prior to your own discovery of this product?

Joan


Robin <robi...@excite.com> wrote:
>I'm in my late 40's, in perimenopause. I've been applying a
natural
>progesterone cream for PMS symptoms, but became lazy and
stopped using
>it. I mentioned to a friend of mine that much, much more of my
hair is
>falling out than ever before. Its disconcerting - especially
becuase I
>have fine/thin hair to begin with. She suggested it might be
hormonal.
>Don't know why I didn't figure that out myself (probably in
denial), and
>she suggested to start taking the Progesterone cream again to
see if it
>helped. It did. Within 3 days, the hair loss diminished by
about 80%
>of what it had been (evidenced previously by hair all over the
bathroom

>vanity, sink, bathroom floor). It's still a little less than a


week
>since I've started using it again, so hope to see even less
hair loss in

>time. Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my


complete
>lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite. Just my
experience,
>of course.
>

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>
>

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Robin

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Wow, you're the fifth response to my post, all of you coming out
swinging, insulting, very quick to jump to conclusions, assuming I'm
selling something. Sorry, but your "sensors" have failed you this time.
I AM just a satisfied user of progesterone cream, have no financial
connection to it whatsoever other than paying for it at the register of
my local health food store. My experience IS real, is sincere, and
given I've only been using it for just under a week, hope the benefits
are not short lived. My name is Robin Barr, I'm 48, a regular on
alt.Fashion for years and was invited here by another regular when I was
asking for recommendations for a non-irritating vaginal soap. Thank
you for the warm, welcome reception you nasty, sarcastic group of
bitches.

. Too bad, because in reading all of your posts for the first time,
there is info here that would have been helpful to me, but with the
freedom of feeling I can share experiences (I already know you'd be
receptive to critical ones), both successful

With that said, this has been a very rude welcome. Before you come out
swinging (and insulting), you should first consider 1) that the poster
may be new (which I am), and 2) that it could be sincere. Damn, what a
bunch of bitches you are.

>Robin says that after resuming her use of natural progesterone cream:
>

>>It's still a little less than a week
>>since I've started using it again, so hope to see even less hair loss in
>>time.
>

>That's very interesting. I always understood hair loss to be related to
>*estrogen* levels.
>

>Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my complete
>>lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite. Just my experience,
>>of course.
>>

>A *side benefit*? You call this a *side benefit*?
>
>Wow. A magic elixir that stops hair loss and restores sex drive. You
>wouldn't
>happen to be selling the stuff, would you? My apologies if you're simply a
>satisfied user, but most of the people coming here making these kinds of
>claims
>for natural progresterone cream turn out to have a financial interest in
>it, so
>I'm sure you can understand my wariness.
>
>
>Regards,
>Laura Blanchard
>lblan...@aol.com
>http://members.aol.com/lblanch000/
>http://menopause.tripod.com (Land o'Links --
>click the cormorant for Menopause & Beyond)

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Seahag

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Jul 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/3/00
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Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:8jqok9$cc9$1...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
> Robin <robi...@excite.com> writes:
>
> >progesterone cream

>
> >Within 3 days, the hair loss diminished by about 80%
>
> >Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my complete
> >lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite.
>
> You forgot to mention the side efects of weight loss, whitening your
> teeth, shrinking varicose veins, winning prizes in competitions, and
> giving you youthful skin and brains like a baby.
> --

And I hear it gives you your eyesight back!

Seahag

Pat Kight

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Jul 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/3/00
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In article <robinx555-6AFAD...@news.earthlink.net>,
Robin <robi...@excite.com> wrote:

>With that said, this has been a very rude welcome. Before you come out
>swinging (and insulting), you should first consider 1) that the poster
>may be new (which I am), and 2) that it could be sincere. Damn, what a
>bunch of bitches you are.

You're a real sweetheart, too, kiddo.

If you're a "regular" in another Usenet group, surely you know the
standard advice given to newcomers: Lurk a while and learn the customs of
a new group before barging right in.

One such custom here is a respect for sound science and a high degree of
skepticism for those who promise "cures" based on shaky evidence.

As for "coming out swinging," you actually got a much more civil reception
than we generally give to those who are overtly selling this particular
"cure" for menopausal ills.

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

jmlemail

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Thank you for explaining you got all those miraculous results
you have reported using this stuff for less than a week. This
does help to understand your report. It puts things in a better
perspective I think.

Joan

Robin <robi...@excite.com> wrote:
>Wow, you're the fifth response to my post, all of you coming
out
>swinging, insulting, very quick to jump to conclusions,
assuming I'm
>selling something. Sorry, but your "sensors" have failed you
this time.
>I AM just a satisfied user of progesterone cream, have no
financial
>connection to it whatsoever other than paying for it at the
register of
>my local health food store. My experience IS real, is sincere,
and
>given I've only been using it for just under a week, hope the
benefits
>are not short lived. My name is Robin Barr, I'm 48, a regular
on
>alt.Fashion for years and was invited here by another regular
when I was
>asking for recommendations for a non-irritating vaginal soap.
Thank
>you for the warm, welcome reception you nasty, sarcastic group
of
>bitches.
>

>.. Too bad, because in reading all of your posts for the first


time,
>there is info here that would have been helpful to me, but with
the
>freedom of feeling I can share experiences (I already know
you'd be
>receptive to critical ones), both successful
>

>With that said, this has been a very rude welcome. Before you
come out
>swinging (and insulting), you should first consider 1) that the
poster
>may be new (which I am), and 2) that it could be sincere. Damn,
what a
>bunch of bitches you are.
>

>>Robin says that after resuming her use of natural progesterone
cream:
>>
>>>It's still a little less than a week
>>>since I've started using it again, so hope to see even less
hair loss in
>>>time.
>>
>>That's very interesting. I always understood hair loss to be
related to
>>*estrogen* levels.
>>

>>Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my
complete

>>>lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite. Just my
experience,
>>>of course.
>>>
>>A *side benefit*? You call this a *side benefit*?
>>
>>Wow. A magic elixir that stops hair loss and restores sex
drive. You
>>wouldn't
>>happen to be selling the stuff, would you? My apologies if
you're simply a
>>satisfied user, but most of the people coming here making
these kinds of
>>claims
>>for natural progresterone cream turn out to have a financial
interest in
>>it, so
>>I'm sure you can understand my wariness.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Laura Blanchard
>>lblan...@aol.com
>>http://members.aol.com/lblanch000/
>>http://menopause.tripod.com (Land o'Links --
>>click the cormorant for Menopause & Beyond)
>
>--
>DO NOT EMAIL IF POSTING RESPONSE. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 5.
>
>

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Ruth

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Jul 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/3/00
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In article <8jqok9$cc9$1...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>, c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris
Malcolm) wrote:

> Robin <robi...@excite.com> writes:
>
> >progesterone cream
>
> >Within 3 days, the hair loss diminished by about 80%
>

> >Another side benefit - the progesterone has changed my complete
> >lack of sexual interest to....well - the opposite.
>

> You forgot to mention the side efects of weight loss, whitening your
> teeth, shrinking varicose veins, winning prizes in competitions, and
> giving you youthful skin and brains like a baby.

Yeah, but will it paint my house?

Ruth, whose house needs much much work.

Laura Blanchard

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Robin writes:

>
>Wow, you're the fifth response to my post, all of you coming out
>swinging, insulting, very quick to jump to conclusions, assuming I'm
>selling something.

[snip]

Thank
>you for the warm, welcome reception you nasty, sarcastic group of
>bitches.
>

I believe this was in response to me. You're quite welcome. I was bending over
backwards to be fair-minded. Since you've labeled me a nasty, sarcastic bitch
who's quick to jump to conclusions, I suppose there's nothing further to be
said. Have a nice life.

Pat Kight

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In article <rufie710-030...@216-164-213-39.s293.tnt1.fmt.nj.dialup.rcn.com>,
Ruth <rufi...@rcn.com> wrote:

>Yeah, but will it paint my house?
>
>Ruth, whose house needs much much work.

Aaaahhhh! The "p" word!

(My "minor scraping and touchup" job is turning out to be *much* bigger
than I'd anticipated. The yard is full of paint chips, the weather side of
the house looks like tobacco road and I have to keep reminding myself that
messes are merely temporary! Guess how *I'm* spending Independence Day?)

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org


Marilee

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Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
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You and me both, Pat. I spent yesterday taping windows, and today taping
other things. The one nice thing we did for ourselves this time around was
to buy a sprayer to go with the electric air compressor, so no brush marks.
(My husband has a combination of tendonitis, carpal tunnel, and possible
arthritis--no "real" diagnosis on that part, but the doctor mentioned it as
a possibility--and the brush work would have caused severe pain for several
days. Plus it just takes longer.) Tomorrow I imagine I'll get the fun job
of starting the fine "detail" work. Damn, I hate that.

Marilee


Pat Kight

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In article <_qc85.27$b33....@news7.onvoy.net>,

Marilee <mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote:
>
>Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
>news:8jrj6c$h0q$1...@news.NERO.NET...
>> In article
><rufie710-030...@216-164-213-39.s293.tnt1.fmt.nj.dialup.rcn.com>,
>> Ruth <rufi...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah, but will it paint my house?
>> >
>> >Ruth, whose house needs much much work.
>>
>> Aaaahhhh! The "p" word!
>>
>> (My "minor scraping and touchup" job is turning out to be *much* bigger
>> than I'd anticipated. The yard is full of paint chips, the weather side of
>> the house looks like tobacco road and I have to keep reminding myself that
>> messes are merely temporary! Guess how *I'm* spending Independence Day?)
>
>You and me both, Pat. I spent yesterday taping windows, and today taping
>other things.

Oh, god, taping. I haven't even *started* taping. All those charming
mullioned windows are suddenly looking ominous...

> The one nice thing we did for ourselves this time around was
>to buy a sprayer to go with the electric air compressor, so no brush marks.
>(My husband has a combination of tendonitis, carpal tunnel, and possible
>arthritis--no "real" diagnosis on that part, but the doctor mentioned it as
>a possibility--and the brush work would have caused severe pain for several
>days. Plus it just takes longer.) Tomorrow I imagine I'll get the fun job
>of starting the fine "detail" work. Damn, I hate that.

See, now, I actually *like* the detail work. I'm a demon with a sash
brush. But a lot of it is going to have to be done up a ladder, and I
*hate* ladders.

It's not even like I'm actually "painting the house" this time around.
That will probably be done next summer, and if I can save the money, I'll
hire professionals. I'm just trying to take care of the necessary fixes so
I can get through the final inspections and close the deal on this place!

We won't even get into the astonishing amount of scrap wood - none of it
large enough for any good use - I have to clear out from under the front
porch ...

Anybody got a couple of teenagers they'd like to loan out for a week?

--pat Kight
I love my house, I love my house, I love ...
kig...@peak.org

Frankenmel

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>From: kig...@ucs.orst.edu (Pat Kight)

>See, now, I actually *like* the detail work. I'm a demon with a sash
>brush. But a lot of it is going to have to be done up a ladder, and I
>*hate* ladders.

Hub is finishing up the painting on the outside of the house. He did most of it
two years ago. Two years ago,I had to hold the ladder while he went up 22 feet.
I did a lot of praying. Ladders scare the crap out of me....even though *I* am
not the one on the ladder.This time,he isn't doing much high work,except for
going up briefly on the roof in the near future. <shudder>

Sharon..*.eat your fruits and veggies and exercise daily*

Cathy Friedmann

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Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
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> See, now, I actually *like* the detail work. I'm a demon with a sash
> brush. But a lot of it is going to have to be done up a ladder, and I
> *hate* ladders.

Oh, not me - re: sash brushes; wish I *were*. I envy people who can use a
sash brush & do a great job. I have to either tape everything, or just
paint - then scrape like crazy afterwards. And when I tape, the paint still
often manages to seep under there, anyways. Arghh. My windows are all 6
over 6, plus a set of French doors (20 lights), and another glazed door (15
lights), and a cute little built-in bookcase which is divided into 8 lights.
Oh yes, & the DR cupboard - another 13 panes. All aesthetic, IMO - I love
them, but... it was all pretty daunting when it came to painting them. My
entire house needed painting & papering when I moved in; nothing'd been done
for about 25 - 30 years. I remember sitting in the LR & being rather
overwhelmed by how much work had to be done, even though it was just
cosmetic. Otoh - I couldn't really complain, because that's how I was able
to afford it; other people took one look, saw that it wasn't in "move-in"
condition, & walked back out. Btw - I'm not too great on ladders, either -
I have a *lousy* sense of balance.

> It's not even like I'm actually "painting the house" this time around.
> That will probably be done next summer, and if I can save the money, I'll
> hire professionals. I'm just trying to take care of the necessary fixes so
> I can get through the final inspections and close the deal on this place!
>
> We won't even get into the astonishing amount of scrap wood - none of it
> large enough for any good use - I have to clear out from under the front
> porch ...
>
> Anybody got a couple of teenagers they'd like to loan out for a week?
>
> --pat Kight
> I love my house, I love my house, I love ...

Keep repeating it... ;-))

Cathy

--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")


susan

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Pat and Ruth comment on 'home improvement' work involving scraping, taping,
triming, painting, ladders, sprayers, and other tedious things.

Must be something in the air. I spent today trying to 'do something' with the
entry hall. Used a metallic glaze over wallpaper - the sample piece I did
turned out spendid! I've applied the first coat with vertical brush strokes.
After going through 4 'sponge' brushes on the first three walls, I switched to
a paint pad. Of course that worked beautifully and should have been used from
the beginning. Later tonight I will tape off alternate sections of the
wallpaper and brush on a horizontal coat of the glaze. On the sample piece this
produced a subtle cross hatch type of pattern that allowed the marble look of
the wallpaper to add depth. On the sample piece. I don't think that's what the
end result is going to be on the actual walls. I think the end result will be
stripping the painted wallpaper and repainting the walls in a nice bland white.

Haven't figured out how to do the stairway with the 10 foot wall - need
scaffolding. I am comfortable on a ladder (was just on the roof watching
fireworks), but there's no place to put it. And, of course, then we need to
paint the woodwork white as the stained wood doesn't look right with the silver
glaze. This, of course, leads to removing the front door for painting flat. Was
such a simple idea.

Do the sprayers work well? Do you get paint mist everywhere? Although if I do
everything white, what difference would it make! Wonder where I can rent one at
10:30pm on the fourth of July! I *am* comforted by the fact that I don't have
mullioned windows! At least I don't think I do. ;) Good luck to us all.


susan, proprietress of the Whine 'n Woeses


Frankenmel

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>From: "Eva D. Struction" EvaD...@att.net

>I am violently allergic to paint and therefore my apartment hasn't been
>painted in 5 years and looks like hell.

Have you tried different brands/formulas?

Pamela Dyer-Bennet

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On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 04:14:23 GMT, "Eva D. Struction" <EvaD...@att.net> wrote:
> I am violently allergic to paint and therefore my apartment hasn't been
> painted in 5 years and looks like hell. Sometimes this depresses me
> unutterably. I envy all of you for being able to tolerate paint.

Hey, Eva, there are some new environmentally-benign paints that
might not trigger your allergies. I can't give you the information right
now because it's in my co-wife's newsletter and she has taken it away,
but I could find out if you liked. The paints only come in white and
off-white, but at least around here there's a hardware store that will
add any tint you want, and the manufacturers say the amount of
tint likely to be added won't make the paints any more toxic than
they are, which is essentially not at all.


Pat Kight

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In article <20000704232827...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
susan <whinen...@aol.complex> wrote:

(whole bunch of home improvement stuff snipped)

Sounds like This Old House Night at the Whine&Woeses.

Susan, Marilee, Rufie -- The first round is on me!

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

c lindau

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Pamela Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Pamela and I probably get the same newsletter ;-) and the article I have here says
the brand of paint is Safecoat, made by American Formulating and Manufacturing in
San Diego. The quoted price for a gallon in Minneapolis is $28.95


Pamela Dyer-Bennet

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On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:28:09 GMT, "Eva D. Struction" <EvaD...@att.net> wrote:
[about Karen's expressed interest in my post concerning possibly
non-allergenic paints]

> I'm glad you responded to this, Karen, because Pam's post didn't show up on
> my server. Yes, I'm very interested too, whenever you find the info, Pam.
> Maybe you could send me a copy by e-mail to make sure I see it. (This is
> weird, because I believe I don't usually miss your posts.)

Okay, I'm responding as a reminder to myself as much as anything.
It's 9:00 in the morning, I got to sleep at four, and I'm up with a
thunderstorm and a sinus headache. I can't get the newsletter
right now since its possessor is asleep, but I'll borrow it when
she wakes up.

And I'll email you to be certain, Eva.

I don't know why you're missing my posts, but I'm missing some
people's too. I know they are there; the newsreader shows me
their headers, but when I click on them all I get is a blank screen.
The newsreader thinks it's downloaded them, but it never marks
them as read. I was deeply startled when this first started
happening because the first few people whose posts I consistently
couldn't see were in my killfile for my old newsreader (nobody on
this group). At the moment I can't read Seahag, Louise Bremner,
or FurPaw. *Wah* But I can see you. *Beam*


Pamela Dyer-Bennet

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On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:30:50 -0500, c lindau <cli...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> Pamela Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 04:14:23 GMT, "Eva D. Struction" <EvaD...@att.net> wrote:
> > > I am violently allergic to paint and therefore my apartment hasn't been
> > > painted in 5 years and looks like hell. Sometimes this depresses me
> > > unutterably. I envy all of you for being able to tolerate paint.
> >
> > Hey, Eva, there are some new environmentally-benign paints that
> > might not trigger your allergies. I can't give you the information right
> > now because it's in my co-wife's newsletter and she has taken it away,
> > but I could find out if you liked.
>
> Pamela and I probably get the same newsletter ;-) and the article I have here says
> the brand of paint is Safecoat, made by American Formulating and Manufacturing in
> San Diego. The quoted price for a gallon in Minneapolis is $28.95

Yes, I bet we do, Cindy.

That's the stuff. It's a pity about the price, though they do claim to get
pretty good coverage.


c lindau

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Pamela Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Too bad it's only carried in one store in the Cities--seems to me there'd be a huge
market for this kind of paint.

Cindy

Frankenmel

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>From: "Eva D. Struction" EvaD...@att.net

Sharon:>> Have you tried different brands/formulas?

Eva:>Not on a wide scale, no.....it didn't really occur to me that they could
be
>all that different. I am allergic to both water-based and oil-based house
>paints, though.
>
>Eva

Hub and I painted professionally years ago after the grant under which he was
working vanished and I had decided I didn't want to teach after all.

There was one brand of paint neither of us could stand.The smell was
horrendous. I don't know that we were actually allergic,but it was disgusting.
We liked Miller paint and found it to be the easiest to tolerate.

Good luck to ya,Eva.

Seahag

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Pamela Dyer-Bennet <pd...@demesne.com> wrote in message
news:1103_962804669@pamela...

> On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:28:09 GMT, "Eva D. Struction"
<EvaD...@att.net> wrote:
> [about Karen's expressed interest in my post concerning possibly
> non-allergenic paints]
>
> > I'm glad you responded to this, Karen, because Pam's post didn't
show up on
> > my server. > Snip<

> I don't know why you're missing my posts, but I'm missing some
> people's too. I know they are there; the newsreader shows me
> their headers, but when I click on them all I get is a blank screen.
> The newsreader thinks it's downloaded them, but it never marks
> them as read. I was deeply startled when this first started
> happening because the first few people whose posts I consistently
> couldn't see were in my killfile for my old newsreader (nobody on
> this group). At the moment I can't read Seahag, Louise Bremner,
> or FurPaw. *Wah* But I can see you. *Beam*
>
>

I've been having problems for several weeks now off and on. I don't
think it's Outlook as my hubby and BIL are having problems too. Some
days I can't download any messages on usenet, they'll trickle in a few
days later though. The thing that's bugging me now is my OE locks up
and when I Cont./alt/del I get an error message "Msgsrv 32 not
responding". Other times I can't send. I think it's the newsfeed, but
what do I know? Anyone?

I don't use an electronic sig. Could your reader be set to only accept
messages with them?


Seahag
PS. would someone be so kind as to re-post this for Pamela? Thanks.


HomemakerJ

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Pat Kight wrote:

> In article <rufie710-030...@216-164-213-39.s293.tnt1.fmt.nj.dialup.rcn.com>,
> Ruth <rufi...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, but will it paint my house?
>

> Aaaahhhh! The "p" word!
>
> (My "minor scraping and touchup" job is turning out to be *much* bigger

> than I'd anticipated.(snip) Guess how *I'm* spending Independence Day?)
>

Independently?

Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ


HomemakerJ

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"Eva D. Struction" wrote:

> I am violently allergic to paint and therefore my apartment hasn't been
> painted in 5 years and looks like hell. Sometimes this depresses me
> unutterably.

Why Rock Fairy, I'm really surprised you haven't discovered the art of
taping souvenir posters and tickets to your walls to assimilate wallpaper!
I was pretty sure it was a requirement to being a big music fan. ;-)

Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
(just don't ever try to move and take your favorites with you.)


Pat Kight

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As it turned out, it rained - bad news for the painting plans, but the
theater barbecue went on as planned (if we in Western Oregon let a
little rain spoil our parties, we'd never get to have any fun). I still
need to get the painting done, but it was nice to have a day off!

--Pat Kight
Pat....@peak.org

Frankenmel

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>From: "Seahag" sea...@toadmail.toad.net

>I've been having problems for several weeks now off and on. I don't
>think it's Outlook as my hubby and BIL are having problems too. Some
>days I can't download any messages on usenet, they'll trickle in a few
>days later though. The thing that's bugging me now is my OE locks up
>and when I Cont./alt/del I get an error message "Msgsrv 32 not
>responding". Other times I can't send. I think it's the newsfeed, but
>what do I know? Anyone?
>
>I don't use an electronic sig. Could your reader be set to only accept
>messages with them?
>
>
>Seahag
>PS. would someone be so kind as to re-post this for Pamela? Thanks.

Here you go.

Pamela Dyer-Bennet

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On 05 Jul 2000 16:49:22 GMT, frank...@aol.com (Frankenmel) wrote:
> >From: "Seahag" sea...@toadmail.toad.net
>
> >I've been having problems for several weeks now off and on. I don't
> >think it's Outlook as my hubby and BIL are having problems too. Some
> >days I can't download any messages on usenet, they'll trickle in a few
> >days later though. The thing that's bugging me now is my OE locks up
> >and when I Cont./alt/del I get an error message "Msgsrv 32 not
> >responding". Other times I can't send. I think it's the newsfeed, but
> >what do I know? Anyone?

It sounds like a colicky newsfeed, but I don't know anything about
Outlook. I hope it clears up soon; that sounds much more frustrating
than what I've got.

> >I don't use an electronic sig. Could your reader be set to only accept
> >messages with them?

No, because several of the other people whose messages I can't see
do use them. Well, okay, it could be set up that way but that wouldn't
be the only problem. I can look. They've got a little newsgroup just
for their newsreader, I just haven't gotten around to checking it.

> >Seahag
> >PS. would someone be so kind as to re-post this for Pamela? Thanks.
>
> Here you go.

Thanks, Sharon!

Cathy Friedmann

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Pamela Dyer-Bennet <pd...@demesne.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know why you're missing my posts, but I'm missing some
> people's too. I know they are there; the newsreader shows me
> their headers, but when I click on them all I get is a blank screen.
> The newsreader thinks it's downloaded them, but it never marks
> them as read. I was deeply startled when this first started
> happening because the first few people whose posts I consistently
> couldn't see were in my killfile for my old newsreader (nobody on
> this group). At the moment I can't read Seahag, Louise Bremner,
> or FurPaw. *Wah* But I can see you. *Beam*

I'm glad you mentioned this, because two posts I wrote & sent last night -
one about Annee's kitten & cat, and the other in this thread - both appear
to have disappeared into a black cyberspace hole. They *were* there last
night, but - poof! - gone today. Same thing happened to a post I sent last
night in another ng.

Louise Bremner

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Pamela Dyer-Bennet <pd...@demesne.com> wrote:

> At the moment I can't read Seahag, Louise Bremner, or FurPaw.

Someone tell her not to worry about it in my case--even I don't get to
see my own posts. Flaky ISP, I think.

> But I can see you. *Beam*

<ulp> Where have you hidden that camera? (^_^)

________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com), from Tokyo

Pamela Dyer-Bennet

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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:55:39 -0500, "Cathy Friedmann" <c...@borg.com> wrote:
> Pamela Dyer-Bennet <pd...@demesne.com> wrote in message
> news:1103_962804669@pamela...
> > I don't know why you're missing my posts, but I'm missing some
> > people's too. I know they are there; the newsreader shows me
> > their headers, but when I click on them all I get is a blank screen.
> > The newsreader thinks it's downloaded them, but it never marks
> > them as read.
>
> I'm glad you mentioned this, because two posts I wrote & sent last night -
> one about Annee's kitten & cat, and the other in this thread - both appear
> to have disappeared into a black cyberspace hole. They *were* there last
> night, but - poof! - gone today. Same thing happened to a post I sent last
> night in another ng.

I saw your kitten post too. Huh, I wonder if it's still on my newsreader.
Hang on a moment -- whee. I can't find any unread messages at all.
Well, that's not much use. It does seem that a number of people
are having problems.

I always think I quote too much when I respond to a message, but
whenever I think about "cleaning up my act" something like this
happens and I realize extensive quoting can help somebody out.


Seahag

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Cathy Friedmann <c...@borg.com> wrote in message
news:39639...@nntp2.borg.com...

>
> I'm glad you mentioned this, because two posts I wrote & sent last
night -
> one about Annee's kitten & cat, and the other in this thread - both
appear
> to have disappeared into a black cyberspace hole. They *were* there
last
> night, but - poof! - gone today. Same thing happened to a post I sent
last
> night in another ng.
>

I sent a couple post last week, they showed up on deja but not on the
group!

Seahag


Marilee

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Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> HomemakerJ <ho...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
> news:396357B1...@interaccess.com...
> -------------
> Ah, you must have seen my old apartment, then....vinyl album covers, 8 x
10
> glossies of 50s, 60s, blues artists....pages from music calendars.....but
I
> was so much older then; I'm younger than that now.
>
> Eva
>
Do you prefer the Byrds' version, or the Dylan, Harrison, Petty, etc.
version?

Marilee

Pat Kight

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In article <0yT85.8154$cR2.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote:
>

>The Byrds. Even though I once saw them in concert and they absolutely
>sucked. Even though David Crosby is.....yeah.
>
>You mean the, uh, Traveling Wilburys, right? I've actually never heard that
>one. Rock Faery is pretty much lost in the 50s, 60s, and very early 70s,
>musically speaking. After that, everything is "my children's music," which
>to a depressing extent consists of inferior remakes of "our" music.

But the Wilburys *are* "our music"! They just waited a while to get
together and record it!

(Fortunately, I have a good friend who's a music geek, and he keeps
forcing "new" music on me, or I'd have worn the grooves clear through my
vinyl by now! I was skeptical about the Wilburys, but one listen made me a
convert. These guys are living proof that age can actually *improve* some
skills!)

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org


HomemakerJ

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"Eva D. Struction" wrote:

> Ah, you must have seen my old apartment, then....vinyl album covers, 8 x 10
> glossies of 50s, 60s, blues artists....pages from music calendars.....

Were we roommates? ;-)

Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ


Marilee

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Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote in message
news:0yT85.8154$cR2.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Marilee <mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote in message
> news:SbS85.214$b33....@news7.onvoy.net...

> >
> > Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:QtR85.7941$cR2.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > HomemakerJ <ho...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
> > > news:396357B1...@interaccess.com...
> > > > "Eva D. Struction" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am violently allergic to paint and therefore my apartment hasn't
> > been
> > > > > painted in 5 years and looks like hell. Sometimes this depresses
me
> > > > > unutterably.
> > > >
> > > > Why Rock Fairy, I'm really surprised you haven't discovered the art
of
> > > > taping souvenir posters and tickets to your walls to assimilate
> > wallpaper!
> > > > I was pretty sure it was a requirement to being a big music fan. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Cool Runnings,
> > > > HomemakerJ
> > > > (just don't ever try to move and take your favorites with you.)
> > > -------------
> > > Ah, you must have seen my old apartment, then....vinyl album covers, 8
x
> > 10
> > > glossies of 50s, 60s, blues artists....pages from music
> calendars.....but
> > I
> > > was so much older then; I'm younger than that now.
> > >
> > > Eva
> > >
> > Do you prefer the Byrds' version, or the Dylan, Harrison, Petty, etc.
> > version?
> ---------------------

> The Byrds. Even though I once saw them in concert and they absolutely
> sucked. Even though David Crosby is.....yeah.
>
> You mean the, uh, Traveling Wilburys, right? I've actually never heard
that
> one. Rock Faery is pretty much lost in the 50s, 60s, and very early 70s,
> musically speaking. After that, everything is "my children's music,"
which
> to a depressing extent consists of inferior remakes of "our" music.

Boy, do I hear you on that one. I have two kids that delight in collecting
"covers" (what you and I call "inferior remakes") of -my- music.

I never enjoyed the Wilburys after Roy Orbison died, so I, too, much prefer
the Byrds version.

Marilee
>
> Eva
>
>

c lindau

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Eva D. Struction wrote:

> Pamela Dyer-Bennet <pd...@demesne.com> wrote in message
> news:1103_962804669@pamela...
> >
> > I don't know why you're missing my posts, but I'm missing some

> > people's too. ....
> ----------
> I didn't miss this one, though. Strange....what do they call that, a usenet
> hiccup or something?
>
> Anyhow, I got the name--and daunting price (:^( --of the paint from Cindy's
> post. Thanks again.
>
> Eva

No problem...glad to help. I think my server has the hiccups, too...only 60+
posts in the last 24 hours. We're usually more talkative than that......

Cindy

Pat Kight

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Nah, it's not your server -- things have been remarkably quiet all over
the 'Net since last weekend. I chalk it off to the height of the US
summer holiday season -- a lot people actually got up from their
computers and went outside to play, evidently. This is even true on a
couple of email lists I subscribe to -- one, which is normally very
busy, dwindled down to 3-4 posts all weekend.

My news feed is usually pretty reliable, and I'm seeing all the posts
other people mention missing -- and traffic here is *still* down to a
shadow of its normal busy self.

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Pat Kight

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HomemakerJ wrote:
>
> "Eva D. Struction" wrote:
>
> > Ah, you must have seen my old apartment, then....vinyl album covers, 8 x 10
> > glossies of 50s, 60s, blues artists....pages from music calendars.....
>
> Were we roommates? ;-)

If you were, I was living down the hall.

I remember papering an entire bathroom with concert posters pulled off
telephone poles, slapped up with white glue and covered with many layers
of the same, a la decoupage. I've always wondered how the landlord ever
got *that* removed!

I think I told this to HomemakerJ, but in the clearing-out frenzy that
preceded my recent move, I had second thoughts about a large tube of
rolled-up, psychedelic '60s concert posters, and retrieved them from the
dumpster. Still pondering what to do with them -- I wonder if the local
historical museum is ready for '60s memorabilia yet?

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Pamela Dyer-Bennet

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On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:57:09 -0700, Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:

> I think I told this to HomemakerJ, but in the clearing-out frenzy that
> preceded my recent move, I had second thoughts about a large tube of
> rolled-up, psychedelic '60s concert posters, and retrieved them from the
> dumpster. Still pondering what to do with them -- I wonder if the local
> historical museum is ready for '60s memorabilia yet?

Well, they're being sold on eBay and people do seem to snatch them
up. My co-wife is a Deadhead, but is too young to have seen the band's
origins, and she found a lot of sixties stuff while poking around for Dead
memorabilia.

gs

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"Marilee" <mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote in message
news:_x%85.250$b33....@news7.onvoy.net...
> > > > Ah, you must have seen my old apartment, then....vinyl album covers,
8
> x
> > > 10
> > > > glossies of 50s, 60s, blues artists....pages from music
> > calendars.....but
> > > I
> > > > was so much older then; I'm younger than that now.
> > > >
> > > > Eva
> > > >
> > > Do you prefer the Byrds' version, or the Dylan, Harrison, Petty, etc.
> > > version?
> > ---------------------
> > The Byrds. Even though I once saw them in concert and they absolutely
> > sucked. Even though David Crosby is.....yeah.
> >
> > You mean the, uh, Traveling Wilburys, right? I've actually never heard
> that
> > one. Rock Faery is pretty much lost in the 50s, 60s, and very early
70s,
> > musically speaking. After that, everything is "my children's music,"
> which
> > to a depressing extent consists of inferior remakes of "our" music.
>
> Boy, do I hear you on that one. I have two kids that delight in
collecting
> "covers" (what you and I call "inferior remakes") of -my- music.
>
> I never enjoyed the Wilburys after Roy Orbison died, so I, too, much
prefer
> the Byrds version.
>
> Marilee
> >
> > Eva
> >
Interesting. My kids like the new and the old music. They tolerate the
remakes but prefer the originals. Never had the dreaded *generation gap*
around here, nor did I ever have to tell them to *turn that crap down*.
Gwen

Pat Kight

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"Eva D. Struction" wrote:
>
> Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
> news:8k14pe$7t8$1...@news.NERO.NET...

>
> >
> > (Fortunately, I have a good friend who's a music geek, and he keeps
> > forcing "new" music on me, or I'd have worn the grooves clear through my
> > vinyl by now! I was skeptical about the Wilburys, but one listen made me a
> > convert. These guys are living proof that age can actually *improve* some
> > skills!)
> --------------
> Oh, sure; Bob Dylan's singing *alone* is proof of that.


*splork*

I was thinking of their instrumental licks, but this is too true ...

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Frankenmel

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>From: "Eva D. Struction" EvaD...@att.net

>Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message


>news:8k14pe$7t8$1...@news.NERO.NET...
>
>>
>> (Fortunately, I have a good friend who's a music geek, and he keeps
>> forcing "new" music on me, or I'd have worn the grooves clear through my
>> vinyl by now! I was skeptical about the Wilburys, but one listen made me a
>> convert. These guys are living proof that age can actually *improve* some
>> skills!)
>-

Eva:>Oh, sure; Bob Dylan's singing *alone* is proof of that.
>
>Eva

Ahhhh...the master Mr. Dylan. Love his music.

Marilee

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Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
> news:8k14pe$7t8$1...@news.NERO.NET...
>
> >
> > (Fortunately, I have a good friend who's a music geek, and he keeps
> > forcing "new" music on me, or I'd have worn the grooves clear through my
> > vinyl by now! I was skeptical about the Wilburys, but one listen made me
a
> > convert. These guys are living proof that age can actually *improve*
some
> > skills!)
> --------------

> Oh, sure; Bob Dylan's singing *alone* is proof of that.
>
> Eva

I'm not nuts about Bob Dylan's singing....but I like a lot of his music.
That makes sense, doesn't it?

But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?

Marilee
>

Laura Blanchard

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Cindy says:
>
>No problem...glad to help. I think my server has the hiccups, too...only 60+
>posts in the last 24 hours. We're usually more talkative than that......

That's about what I've gotten on AOL, too. Either we're pretty quiet, or some
major newsfeed is disrupted.

Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lblan...@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/lblanch000/
http://menopause.tripod.com (Land o'Links --
click the cormorant for Menopause & Beyond)

Frankenmel

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>From: Pat Kight kig...@ucs.orst.edu

>Nah, it's not your server -- things have been remarkably quiet all over
>the 'Net since last weekend. I chalk it off to the height of the US
>summer holiday season -- a lot people actually got up from their
>computers and went outside to play

No wonder hub's auctions have slowed WAY down the last few days.

Frankenmel

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>From: Pat Kight kig...@ucs.orst.edu
>Date: 7/6/00 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time

>, I had second thoughts about a large tube of
>rolled-up, psychedelic '60s concert posters, and retrieved them from the
>dumpster. Still pondering what to do with them -- I wonder if the local
>historical museum is ready for '60s memorabilia yet?

Why not eBay?

Pat Kight

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In article <yBa95.19$Jh3....@news7.onvoy.net>,
Marilee <mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote:
>

>But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
>Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?

I'll tell you that if you'll tell me the meaning of "the pompatus of
love."

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Pat Kight

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In article <20000706225728...@ng-md1.aol.com>,

Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote:
>>From: Pat Kight kig...@ucs.orst.edu
>>Date: 7/6/00 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>
>>, I had second thoughts about a large tube of
>>rolled-up, psychedelic '60s concert posters, and retrieved them from the
>>dumpster. Still pondering what to do with them -- I wonder if the local
>>historical museum is ready for '60s memorabilia yet?
>
>Why not eBay?

I have to confess that this is one net.addict who utterly misses the charm
of ebay and similar on-line auctions. But I've never much liked "real
life" auctions, either.

The one thing ebay *is* cool for is looking up pictures of antiques and
stuff to use as models for making theatrical props.

'Sides, if I can talk the museum into them, then I can have visiting
rights. (-;

Or, hell, maybe I'll just put 'em on the wall.

--Pat kight
kig...@peak.org

Frankenmel

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>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
>Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?

Her baby.

Marilee

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Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
>
> >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
> >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
>
> Her baby.
>
I have always -thought- that, but did Bobbie Gentry, herself, confirm this
theory?

Marilee

Frankenmel

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>From: kig...@ucs.orst.edu (Pat Kight)

>I have to confess that this is one net.addict who utterly misses the charm
>of ebay and similar on-line auctions

Just wait until you put something up and check and see the bids go higher than
you thought possible. It's a real trip. This doesn't always happen,but it does
happen.

Frankenmel

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>From: kig...@ucs.orst.edu (Pat Kight)
>Date: 7/6/00 9:11 PM Pacific

>>But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
>>Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
>

>I'll tell you that if you'll tell me the meaning of "the pompatus of
>love."
>
>--Pat Kight
>kig...@peak.org


The first one: baby out of wedlock. The second....who in heck knows?

Frankenmel

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>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
>>
>> >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
>> >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
>>

>> Her baby.
>>
>I have always -thought- that, but did Bobbie Gentry, herself, confirm this
>theory?

Dunno,but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Doesn't she throw herself off the
bridge at the end of the song? Can't think what else would cause her to do
that.

Cathy Friedmann

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Marilee <mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote in message
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> Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
> >
> > >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
> > >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
> >
> > Her baby.
> >
> I have always -thought- that, but did Bobbie Gentry, herself, confirm this
> theory?
>
> Marilee

I don't *think* so (confirm that theory).

Cathy

--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")

Marilee

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Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

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> >> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
> >>
> >> >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
> >> >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
> >>
> >> Her baby.
> >>
> >I have always -thought- that, but did Bobbie Gentry, herself, confirm
this
> >theory?
>
> Dunno,but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Doesn't she throw herself off
the
> bridge at the end of the song? Can't think what else would cause her to do
> that.
>
No, Billie Joe was a boy. I think you've got your song characters mixed
up. You'd better read or listen carefully to the lyrics again.

"Timothy" was a mule. But it wasn't a "no-brainer".

Marilee

Pat Kight

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Karen Kay wrote:

>
> Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
>
> >>> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
> >>>
> >>> >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
> >>> >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
> >>>
> >>> Her baby.
> >>>
> >>I have always -thought- that, but did Bobbie Gentry, herself, confirm this
> >>theory?
>
> > Dunno,but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Doesn't she throw herself off the
> > bridge at the end of the song? Can't think what else would cause her to do
> > that.
>
> He jumped off the bridge. She doesn't jump off the bridge, she throws
> flowers in the water. See
> http://www.roughstock.com/cowpie/cowpie-songs/g/gentry_bobby/ode_to_billy_joe.crd

And it was "a girl who looked a lot like you" who helped BJ throw
"something off the Choctaw Bridge."

> See also http://www.frameline.org/festival/23rd/programs/nf_ode.html.

I may be nuts (and it's been a very long week), but does anybody else
remember an earlier, movie based on this song, starring the smarmy,
wet-eyed Robbie Benson? Wait a second ...

Yes!!! "Ode to Billy Joe," 1976, directed by Max Baer Jr. ("Jethro" of
"Beverly Hillbillies" fame ... oh, this gets better and better.)
Starring Benson and Glynnis O'Connor. In that version, Billy Joe's big
secret was

(spoiler space for those who hate having the plot blown when they watch
old movies on TV ...)


... that he had a homosexual encounter, subsequently tried to prove he
wasn't gay by sleeping with O'Connor, and then took the leap.

Mercy.

Thank heavens for the Internet Movie Database...although there's
something seriously bent in the "viewer review" section of this one,
which seems to combine a synposis of OTBJ with one for some Cold War
thriller ...

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Marilee

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I hadn't watched it, but didn't mind the spoiler. Did Bobbie
Gentry approve of the plot line? Did they even ask her???

Marilee, still searching for an answer


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>.... that he had a homosexual encounter, subsequently tried to


prove he
>wasn't gay by sleeping with O'Connor, and then took the leap.
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>Mercy.
>
>Thank heavens for the Internet Movie Database...although there's
>something seriously bent in the "viewer review" section of this
one,
>which seems to combine a synposis of OTBJ with one for some Cold
War
>thriller ...
>
>--Pat Kight
>kig...@peak.org
>
>

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Cathy Friedmann

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Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: kig...@ucs.orst.edu (Pat Kight)
>
> >I have to confess that this is one net.addict who utterly misses the
charm
> >of ebay and similar on-line auctions
>
> Just wait until you put something up and check and see the bids go higher
than
> you thought possible. It's a real trip. This doesn't always happen,but it
does
> happen.
>
> Sharon

Or finally find something you've been looking for, for years, IRL & you are
the winning bidder. :-)

Cathy

--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")

Pat Kight

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Gentry got co-author credit on the screenplay, so presumably she didn't
have any problem with this particular interpretation...

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Frankenmel

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>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>No, Billie Joe was a boy. I think you've got your song characters mixed
>up. You'd better read or listen carefully to the lyrics again.
>
>"Timothy" was a mule. But it wasn't a "no-brainer".

I thought it was Billie JO. Hmm. Will try to find the lyrics. Who is Timothy?


Sharon..*.eat your fruits and veggies and exercise daily*

Frankenmel

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>From: frank...@aol.com (Frankenmel)

>
>>No, Billie Joe was a boy. I think you've got your song characters mixed
>>up. You'd better read or listen carefully to the lyrics again.

Ok...Billie Joe *was* a boy. The lyrics mention that someone saw the girl and
Billie Joe throwing something off the bridge before Billie Joe threw himself
off.

http://www.camanche.net/~sammy/billyjoe.htm

Frankenmel

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>From: Karen Kay ka...@wordwrite.com

>He jumped off the bridge. She doesn't jump off the bridge, she throws
>flowers in the water.

Isn't that after he throws himself off? I thought she and Billie Joe threw
something off before he jumped off. But thanks for the links..am headed to them
now.

Ruth

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In article <yBa95.19$Jh3....@news7.onvoy.net>, "Marilee"
<mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote:

> Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
> > news:8k14pe$7t8$1...@news.NERO.NET...
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> > >
> > > (Fortunately, I have a good friend who's a music geek, and he keeps
> > > forcing "new" music on me, or I'd have worn the grooves clear through my
> > > vinyl by now! I was skeptical about the Wilburys, but one listen made me
> a
> > > convert. These guys are living proof that age can actually *improve*
> some
> > > skills!)

the Willburys are great....if you like them., try a group called Wilco.

Pat Kight

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Ruth wrote:
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> the Willburys are great....if you like them., try a group called Wilco.

Anyone we oughta know in it?

--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org

Marilee

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Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>
> >No, Billie Joe was a boy. I think you've got your song characters mixed
> >up. You'd better read or listen carefully to the lyrics again.
> >
> >"Timothy" was a mule. But it wasn't a "no-brainer".
>
> I thought it was Billie JO. Hmm. Will try to find the lyrics. Who is
Timothy?
>

"Timothy" recorded by the Buoys, written by Rupert Holmes.

Miners trapped in a cave-in. Creepy song from 1971.

Marilee

Marilee

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Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
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> Marilee wrote:
> >
> > Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
> > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> >>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
> > >>
> > >> >>> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what
> > the hell was
> > >> >>> >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie
> > Bridge?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Her baby.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>I have always -thought- that, but did Bobbie Gentry,
> > herself, confirm this
> > >> >>theory?
> > >>
> > >> > Dunno,but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Doesn't she
> > throw herself off the
> > >> > bridge at the end of the song? Can't think what else would
> > cause her to do
> > >> > that.
> > >>
> > >> He jumped off the bridge. She doesn't jump off the bridge, she
> > throws

They would have had to give her some sort of screen credit, but I'll wager
that her -original- idea behind the song was something other than this.
After all, not too many screen adaptations follow the story line of the
original printed work faithfully.

Marilee

>
> --Pat Kight
> kig...@peak.org

Frankenmel

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>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>> >"Timothy" was a mule. But it wasn't a "no-brainer".

>"Timothy" recorded by the Buoys, written by Rupert Holmes.


>
>Miners trapped in a cave-in. Creepy song from 1971.

Am scratching my head to figure how this relates to Ode to Billie Joe though.

Frankenmel

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>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>After all, not too many screen adaptations follow the story line of the
>original printed work faithfully.

I saw the movie Dr. Zhivago before I read the book. IMHO,the movie FAR exceeded
the Pasternak book. However,most times,I think the book out-performs the movie.
I try to read the book before seeing the movie.

Marilee

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Frankenmel <frank...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com
>
> >> >"Timothy" was a mule. But it wasn't a "no-brainer".
>
> >"Timothy" recorded by the Buoys, written by Rupert Holmes.
> >
> >Miners trapped in a cave-in. Creepy song from 1971.
>
> Am scratching my head to figure how this relates to Ode to Billie Joe
though.
>
You had commented:

"Dunno,but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Doesn't she throw herself off
the
bridge at the end of the song? Can't think what else would cause her to do
that."

In my area of the country, remarking that something is a "no-brainer" is
almost the same as saying, "Gee, this is as plain as the nose on your face.
Any fool could have figured this out. You must be slow-witted."

I don't believe my original post re "Ode to Billie Joe" was a question that
had a "no-brainer" answer. Clearly there has been some discussion about it,
and not just on this newsgroup. "Timothy" is another song that would appear
to have a "no-brainer" theme. You may be even more unfamiliar with it than
you were with "Ode to Billie Joe", but I was merely pointing out that
things, especially poetry, lyrics, and art will be interpreted different
ways by different people.

Marilee

Pat Kight

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Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote:
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>Eva D. Struction <EvaD...@att.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
>> news:8k3l93$1ar$1...@news.NERO.NET...

>> > In article <yBa95.19$Jh3....@news7.onvoy.net>,
>> > Marilee <mae...@polarcomm.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> >
>> > >But what I -really, really, really- want to know is, what the hell was
>> > >Billie Joe MacAllister throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
>> >
>> > I'll tell you that if you'll tell me the meaning of "the pompatus of
>> > love."
>> --------------------
>> Ha! That one, I can help you with. Now, about those posters.....
>>
>> Eva
>> (It's actually a long story which I will post tonight, unless Homemaker J
>> wants to fill in during the day....I have to get ready for work now.)
>>
>-----------------
>You know what? In merely three or four times the amount of time it would
>have taken me to type out the story, I managed to find a URL where you can
>read "The Straight Dope" about the "pompatus" of love.
>
>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_065.html

Whoa -- now *that's* investigative journalism. I have a friend I simply
must email this URL to right away.

Thank you, O Rock Faery...

--Pat kight
kig...@peak.org


Frankenmel

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>From: "Eva D. Struction" EvaD...@att.net

>You know what? In merely three or four times the amount of time it would
>have taken me to type out the story, I managed to find a URL where you can
>read "The Straight Dope" about the "pompatus" of love.
>
>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_065.html
>

>Eva

You are IMO an amazing woman!

Frankenmel

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>From: "~ Windsong ~" fish...@heartoftn.net

>"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people
>appear bright until you hear them speak.

Hope I can remember this one...it's a goodie!

Frankenmel

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>From: "Eva D. Struction" EvaD...@att.net

Sharon:>> You are IMO an amazing woman!

Eva:>I've been told this before. But this is the first time I've ever been
told
>it by someone who *hasn't* just had sex with me.

Yeah,not even cyberly...LOL

Frankenmel

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>From: "Marilee" mae...@polarcomm.com

>In my area of the country, remarking that something is a "no-brainer" is
>almost the same as saying, "Gee, this is as plain as the nose on your face.
>Any fool could have figured this out. You must be slow-witted."
>
>

So I take it you think I insulted you...that was not my intention. I could see
where you might think that though. I apologize if it came across that way.

barbara trumpinski-roberts

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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Ruth wrote:
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> the Willburys are great....if you like them., try a group called Wilco.
>

originally from champaign-urbana, illinois.

part 2 of "mermaid avenue" just came out. billy bragg and wilco doing
woodie guthrie's lyrics.

hugs,

kitten

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