> "Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com>" wrote: > > *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
> Seth Roberts's website had some interesting suggestions about sleep, > and I gave a few of his suggestions a try (they're free) and they > do seem to help. Not so much with *falling* asleep, but once asleep > it feels deeper and more thorough.
> (He first got famous for a diet plan he worke out after losing some > weight accidentally and trying to figure out why. Now he tries to keep > careful records on everything he does and how he feels, and see if he > can find patterns in it.)
> Darren Provine ! kil...@elvis.rowan.edu !http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy > "I told her she could ask anything but my weight. So she asked me, > `What was the last porn video you watched?', and I said `I weigh 122 > pounds.'" -- Nancy Glass, describing an interview by Gail Shister
That must be really hard on you, as parent. It's interesting to read about.
My kids never had sleep issues. At 7:30pm, I'd say to them, you can go to bed and read for an hour, or you can stay up for an hour and watch TV. They usually picked the reading, largely b/c they knew that if they were still reading at 9, even 9:30,chances were good Mom wouldn't care, and then they'd fall asleep anyway.
Mom didn't care.
I've only recently relayed to them that it was a ploy on my part to get them quiet and settled and learning. :) I also told them, recently, that their Nintendo stopped working in 1988 b/c I removed a chip, not b/c it was "broken" as I told them (they fought too much about it, so I disabled it, and lied). My bad.
They both still read, avidly. Neither have cable or satellite TV, tho I do--in a half assed way.
Stephanie <no...@nohow.com> wrote: > Stephanie wrote: > > Emma Anne wrote: > >> Stephanie <no...@nohow.com> wrote:
> >>> Oh the good news is that we are pursuing some helpful new thoughts > >>> we came up with regarding his sleep deficit. I can only imagine that > >>> if he is not yawning his head off all day, he will be a little > >>> better able to control himself!
> >> *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
> > Have you looked into tonsils?
> This is somewhat new info... It seems that the ADHD symptoms can be a result > of sleep deprivation. If you kids have sleep problems, it may be useful to > look into tonsils (and adnoids in particular) which may be enlarged caused > apnea like behavior in sleep. Many people with this condition wind up waking > all the way up and not returning to sleep. Some do not wake all the way up > all the time but wind up with such unresetful sleep as to be deprived.
> Down the road, if the tonsils don't seem to be the issue, I wonder if a > sleep study is in order? I mean, ADHD or not, like is just harder and harder > when you are exhausted!
> Wishing you the best. Sounds like you face a fair number of challenges.
Thank you! No more than most people I am sure. But when it's your kids it always seems worse.
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
> "Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com>" wrote: > > *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
> Seth Roberts's website had some interesting suggestions about sleep, > and I gave a few of his suggestions a try (they're free) and they > do seem to help. Not so much with *falling* asleep, but once asleep > it feels deeper and more thorough.
Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com> wrote: > Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
> > "Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com>" wrote: > > > *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
> > Seth Roberts's website had some interesting suggestions about sleep, > > and I gave a few of his suggestions a try (they're free) and they > > do seem to help. Not so much with *falling* asleep, but once asleep > > it feels deeper and more thorough.
Emma Anne wrote: > Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com> wrote:
>> Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
>>> "Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com>" wrote: >>>> *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
>>> Seth Roberts's website had some interesting suggestions about sleep, >>> and I gave a few of his suggestions a try (they're free) and they >>> do seem to help. Not so much with *falling* asleep, but once asleep >>> it feels deeper and more thorough.
> I did take a look, but all I saw was the diet stuff?
I don't mean to repeat myself if you chose not to reply. But I am going to say iut again in case you just didn't see it. ADHD and sleep problems have been linked. In some cases the sleep disruption is caused by greatly enlarged tonsils, adnoids in particular. By taking steps to shrink or in some cases remove the adnoids, the apea-like sleep disruption lessening the symptoms of ADHD.
I don't know if you care... don't wanna be a PITA. But in case you did not know and/or had not seen above.
The one that was most interesting to me was "standing on one foot", because I've definitely felt a difference in sleep after doing lots of work. (I used to sleep really well when I did a 54-mile commute on my bike.) Maybe standing on one foot (knee bent) until failure causes the muscles to send similar chemical signals to intense exercise which are picked up elsewhere? Whatever, it was free, easy, and safe, so I tried it. You can't do a double-blind experiment on yourself, of course, but at least some of the time when I've tried it I definitely felt as though I slept more soundly when I got up the next day.
(The programmer in me thinks it would be really nice to have a complete technical manual for a human being. Way better than a Lego robot, cool as those are!)
Darren Provine ! kil...@elvis.rowan.edu ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy "The value of discovery becomes clear only in the wake of the exploration itself." -- Wernher von Braun
Stephanie <no...@nohow.com> wrote: > Emma Anne wrote: > > Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
> >>> "Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com>" wrote: > >>>> *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
> >>> Seth Roberts's website had some interesting suggestions about sleep, > >>> and I gave a few of his suggestions a try (they're free) and they > >>> do seem to help. Not so much with *falling* asleep, but once asleep > >>> it feels deeper and more thorough.
> > I did take a look, but all I saw was the diet stuff?
> I don't mean to repeat myself if you chose not to reply. But I am going to > say iut again in case you just didn't see it. ADHD and sleep problems have > been linked. In some cases the sleep disruption is caused by greatly > enlarged tonsils, adnoids in particular. By taking steps to shrink or in > some cases remove the adnoids, the apea-like sleep disruption lessening the > symptoms of ADHD.
Yeah, I saw that, but at this point I feel pretty confident in their disgnosis. We have a really good doctor who specializes in ADHD and keeps up with the research. So I don't *think* she'd miss something major like that.
> The one that was most interesting to me was "standing on one foot",
That cracked me up. It seems highly improbable, but on the other hand I can't see that it would hurt anything either. I am doing yoga these days, so some one foot standing comes with the territory. I wonder if I should try to get the girls to join me and see what happens. It wouldn't be double blind, but single blind at least.
> > The one that was most interesting to me was "standing on one foot",
> That cracked me up. It seems highly improbable, but on the other hand I > can't see that it would hurt anything either. I am doing yoga these > days, so some one foot standing comes with the territory. I wonder if I > should try to get the girls to join me and see what happens. It > wouldn't be double blind, but single blind at least.
But I bet the standing on one foot works even better if you are blindfolded...
Emma Anne wrote: > Stephanie <no...@nohow.com> wrote:
>> Emma Anne wrote: >>> Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
>>>>> "Emma Anne <emma_a...@mac.com>" wrote: >>>>>> *Both* of our kids have issues with insomnia. So not fair.
>>>>> Seth Roberts's website had some interesting suggestions about >>>>> sleep, and I gave a few of his suggestions a try (they're free) >>>>> and they do seem to help. Not so much with *falling* asleep, but >>>>> once asleep it feels deeper and more thorough.
>>> I did take a look, but all I saw was the diet stuff?
>> I don't mean to repeat myself if you chose not to reply. But I am >> going to say iut again in case you just didn't see it. ADHD and >> sleep problems have been linked. In some cases the sleep disruption >> is caused by greatly enlarged tonsils, adnoids in particular. By >> taking steps to shrink or in some cases remove the adnoids, the >> apea-like sleep disruption lessening the symptoms of ADHD.
> Yeah, I saw that, but at this point I feel pretty confident in their > disgnosis. We have a really good doctor who specializes in ADHD and > keeps up with the research. So I don't *think* she'd miss something > major like that.
