No More Mr. Nice Guy: The Rules.
Hardpan
- Be inconsiderate, don't listen to her problems. Anyone a woman tells
her problems to is someone she will not sleep with. Besides, if you’re
the guy she’s pouring her heart out to about her relationship
problems, chances are the guy she’s sleeping with doesn’t give a crap
what she thinks and that’s why she’s sleeping with him.
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- Be unreliable - don't be there to answer a call, especially on the
weekends. Leave that to her male "friends", you know, the pussies that
are too timid to actually “close the deal” and sleep with her like
they truly want to.
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- Do NOT be dependable. Do not be easily accessible. You do NOT want
to be around when she needs someone to help her move. That’s what her
male friends are for.
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- Don't spend more than $30.00 on a date, $0 (zero dollars) is
preferable. A better idea is not to take her out to dinner at all.
Leave that to the chumps. Tell her to hook up with you for a drink
after she has dinner with the chump. Why waste your money otherwise?
A woman knows in the first few minutes of meeting you whether or not
she’ll want to sleep with you. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on
her after knowing that. And if it does matter, she’s a whore anyway,
so you can weed her out. Why spend money to validate her worth at your
expense?
And what do you think that says about what she thinks about you?
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- Never tell her when she asks if you’re seeing someone, that you’re
not. It’s a test question. She’s probably going out with other people
too. Telling her you’re not seeing anyone does NOT improve your
chances. Making women know that you’re in demand is your best weapon
to get sex. Give her a nice cryptic answer that lets her know you are
seeing one or more other people. Put her on notice that you are
getting it from other sources.
Make sure she knows that.
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- Be unavailable on the weekends. Only, only go out with a woman on
the weekend if you're guaranteed to get laid. Otherwise, go out with
your friends on the weekends. Go out with women (you're not screwing)
on weekdays. Make sure they know they’re on the B-list, especially the
hot ones. Hot women are so insecure that when a man doesn’t take that
much of an interest in her, she’s thinking “what’s wrong with me”, and
they’ll try harder to “get” you.
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- Don't buy a woman any gifts, flowers, jewelry, etc. EVER. Perhaps
you can buy her flowers on your first wedding anniversary. Whatever
you buy sets the bar for all future expectations she’ll have. It’s
better to have her whine about you never having bought her flowers,
than having her whine about how you don’t buy her as much crap as you
used to. That way, when you do it, it’s more appreciated. American
women somehow feel entitled to something for nothing. Take the
attitude that they should have to deserve what they get, and if they
don’t, kick ‘em to the curb. They’ll take, take, take as much as they
can if you allow it.
Is it any wonder why God shaped the vagina like a purse?
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- Don’t leave the toilet seat down if you don’t have to. I’m sure she
evokes the rules of equality only when it benefits her, but does an
immediate about-face when it’s a traditional “courtesy” that men do
for women. And don’t fall for that positive reinforcement crap that
they do by saying how much of a “gentleman” or “real man” you are to
do these acts for her benefit. It’s an emotional device women have
been using forever to manipulate men for their designs. When they
start telling you something is the gentlemanly thing to do, do the
opposite. Don’t let her dictate the rules to you. (Just remember that
anytime a woman tries to tell you what a “real man” or a “gentleman”
would do, it’s ALWAYS some self-serving definition that has nothing to
do with being a real man. It’s just a rationale for how you can better
serve her.)
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- Never compliment her. And if you do compliment her, give her the
backhanded compliments (example, if she asks if she’s fat, etc., just
tell her, “but I like a woman with some meat on her bones. / if she
mentions her boob size, say “but I like women with small boobs. More
than a handful is too much” / “You know, you look nice, but if you
worked out and toned up some and got rid of the flab on your arms and
legs, you’d look really nice”).
It’s the perfect crime because they can’t be mad at you for
complimenting them. American women are the most unappreciative
creatures on earth. Compliments only make her think that “if this guy
thinks I’m pretty, then imagine what better kind of guy I can get”.
Never let her self-esteem get too high. You want to keep it low so
that she’ll even sleep with YOU.
The greatest part about this is that the better looking the woman, the
more insecure she is likely to be.
Women have been inundated with “empowering” bullcrap for years, it’s
time to deprogram them.
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- Follow the 3-date-rule. If there is no sex after 3 dates, move on to
the next one.
Women decide within the first few minutes if they will have sex with
you and under what terms......lover (right away) or provider (meal
ticket). If more than a few dates go by (which you spend next to no
money on) with no sex, get rid of her.
This is very important. If you don't she will either use you for
gifts, expensive dates etc. or start sizing you up as a long term meal
ticket (hello, financial and emotional ruin).
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- Always date more than one woman at a time, and if you’re not, act as
if you are. It signals unavailability and your value to the woman. She
will find you more interesting because you have better things to do
than just pursue her.
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- NEVER go on a trip to Vegas, the Beach, etc. with a woman with whom
you’re not sleeping thinking you might get laid. You’re being used.
Yeah, you might get lucky, but why take that chance expending so much
money and time?
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- Women want what they can’t have. When you go to a bar, you should
just walk in and not talk to them. Make them buy you the drink, make
them buy you dinner. Make them think that you’ve got something going
on. You want them to think that you’ve got better things to do than be
with them and that they’re lucky that you’re even wasting your time
with them when you could be out with other women. NEVER, EVER buy them
a drink, especially when they’re with their friends because then, if
they’re truly detestable whores, they’ll use you to buy their friends
drinks too and then ignore you. Don’t give them the satisfaction of
thinking they’re worth your buying them a drink. Women do NOT respect
chumps.
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Only give women what they deserve. American women are the most
unappreciative creatures on Earth, so they don’t often deserve
anything but a good spanking.
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Never give a woman an opportunity to say “no”. Women love to say no to
men to boost their own egos. They get pleasure from turning men down.
Learn from salesman. Never ask a question where the answer could be
no. Give them options (i.e. “what’s better Tuesday or Thursday”).
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- Don’t let them control you with sex. If she has competition, she’ll
work much harder to keep you interested. Ever watch the Bachelor or
Joe Millionaire? It’s the perfect experiment in just how far women go
when they want a desirable man, who is made more desirable by the fact
that other women want him and are competing for him. After a while,
it’s not even about the man, it’s about the competition and
validation. Do you think for a minute that those women were in love?
Hell NO! Women are so self-deceptive that you can’t even trust them
when they tell you they love you, especially when they’re benefiting
greatly from being in the relationship.
This is why marriage with American women is not desirable anymore,
because it means that they don’t have to do anything to keep you
interested after they’ve got what they want. They have no more
incentives. Now they can get fat, cut off all of their hair, have less
sex with you, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
It is a power shift, and I would advise any man no to allow any woman
to have that kind of power over him. Women abuse the rules that
protect them at an incredible rate, and they’re often so f’ed in the
head that they can dig deep and find some erroneous, illogical,
irrational justification for it. They just don’t have any incentive to
keep you interested anymore.
Don’t let them be the only game in town.
Women use sex as the “loss leader” to get you in the door. It’s part
of the bait & switch strategy that ultimately becomes Marriage. They
use sex to get you lured in until they have you locked in and have
control. They don’t really want it as much as you anyway. They always
need an incentive to have sex with you, so why not give them one. Men
lie to get sex. Women lie to get married. Women will deny this all day
long.
Feel free to ignore their denials.
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- DATE FOREIGN as much as possible. No experience in life will wake
you up to the fact that American women aged 18-35 are the most
atrocious, toxic, demanding, unappreciative, contemptuous,
self-obsessed, self-centered, man-hating, bigoted, lying,
double-standard following, deluded creatures in the galaxy. Find a
South American, a Central American, a Southeast Asian, a Philipina –
and you will see the difference. Some of the women in these countries
are actually appreciative of the things you do for them.
They actually make you want to do more for them simply because they
actually deserve it, rather than feel entitled to it and demand it for
nothing. Some of them actually like sex, enjoy sex, don’t make you
jump through unnecessary hoops for it, and don’t use it as a
bargaining chip. You can actually be honest with them. And because
some of them come from countries where the men are not pussified,
feminized, metrosexual nice guys, they actually appreciate men that
are even semi-nice guys (especially Costa Ricans). You can be the nice
guy you once were without a problem.
American women just don't really respect men. They think men are
idiots and should be manipulated and they feel justified in
manipulating men because they rationalize it through a false sense of
superiority.
NOTE: These rules do not necessarily have to be applied when dealing
with foreign women. You can experiment by opening up and being the
nice, generous, thoughtful, caring man you always were but American
women hate, don’t appreciate and destroy.
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- NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER take dating advice from a woman. Some would
love to tell me what a jerk I am and how wrong I am about this. Well
tell me this, when you listened to all those female friends who told
you they liked nice guys who treated them well, and were talking to
you as a “friend”, then chances are they were talking to you about
that scumbag-jerk they were having sex with? Exactly! I hope you men
get it. She will steer you the wrong way. The only advice she will
give is self-serving which makes you a sap if you follow it, and
hence, you will only be the “nice guy / friend”.
Young American women aren’t even honest with themselves about what
they truly want, do you really think they’ll be honest with you? How
do you get honesty from someone that constantly lies to themselves so
much that they actually believe their own self-deception?
Besides, American women are so often so self-obsessed and
self-centered that they will only give you dating advice that benefits
THEM and, in turn, other women.
They have no clue how to actually speak from a man’s point of view or
understand, and really, they don’t even care what we men really want.
They only know their point of view because Oprah and every other
daytime show tells them that their feelings are of paramount
importance and the man is just an insensitive, uncaring jerk for not
pandering to them. They don’t care if you get what you want.
They’re conditioned to give you the “jump through hoops” approach to
validate their self-worth. Why do they care if you get what you want
in the shortest amount of time at the lowest cost? This sense of
superiority is the basis of the mindset that they use to degrade,
dehumanize, chastise, criticize, mistreat, abuse and change men. The
height of arrogance and condescension is a person who feels that you
need changing and they’re the ones who need to change you.
Besides, if your self-esteem is so low that you buy into the fact that
you’re paying for dinner for the pleasure of their company or that the
woman even mentions that you should pay for the pleasure of her
company, then you need help. What about the pleasure of YOUR company?
Isn’t that worth something?
And if a woman feels that her company is worth something and yours
isn’t, then that’s all you need to know before dumping her. What man
would want to be with a woman who thinks so little of him?
(Still don’t believe me? Well, just about any criticism to these
points will be one that’s about not wanting to fulfill a woman’s needs
at the man’s own expense. Of course, the part about the man’s expense
is left out when women explain it. Anytime I’ve made these points to
women, there was no logical, reasonable retort. The rebuttal would
always be, “it’s just ‘nice’ of him to pay”, or “it’s just
‘gentlemanly’.”)
It seems that a lot of men don’t even think about asking “what’s in it
for me?” or are conditioned to feel that this is not how they should
think at all.
Remember, if you’re on the sinking ship, she goes first with the
kiddies while you sink to your watery death, and you’re supposed to
feel good about it because you did something honorable, chivalrous and
gentlemanly.
Any activity a man commits that is for his sole pleasure and enjoyment
but runs counter to women’s interests, will ALWAYS meet with stiff
emotional resistance and negative reinforcement from women (minus
logic and reason, of course. The old time feminists actually
considered logic and reason to be tools men used to win arguments).
Not because you’re doing what’s best for you (something women are
encouraged and applauded for doing) but because you’re not doing
what’s best for HER. In womanspeak, a man that does things for HIS OWN
BENEFIT is often referred to as a “loser”. So the next time you’re
called a loser, take it as a compliment.
Ignore what women say and watch what they do.
Or as a friend put it “One more thing...many guys make the mistake of
listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T
KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They
will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually
RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual
experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive
sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.”
Don’t ask most married men for advice either.
Misery loves company. So many American men suffer in silence. They
would love to be able to tell the truth, but are so fearful of what
their wives would to them and the repercussions therefrom, that they
remain in a state of quiet misery. It's a good thing they have things
like sports and beer to keep them numb. They have to live in denial
because if they actually reflected for a moment on the truth, they’d
be placing a call to Dr. Kevorkian. Most married American males are
castrated beyond help.
Their testicles are located in their wives’ purses if they ever try to
find them.
I tell you, I have really begun to develop a healthy level of contempt
and hate for a lot of the married American men that I meet. They’re
beaten dogs, beaten into submission. They’re extremely pathetic
creatures emotionally beaten down by their shrill, shrieking wives so
much so, that they have capitulated.
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- Don’t date single mothers. Not so much for the fact that they’re
looking for Daddy, but that they already made one mistake, do you
really want the possibility of giving them a second mistake? You don’t
want to pay for someone else’s mistake anyway. Another thing, you
already know what she’s most likely to do if she “accidentally”
becomes pregnant.
Of all of the single mothers I once dated (but will never touch again)
I noticed a common thing, the father was a jerk 90% of the time, yet
they try to teach their sons to be nice guys who “respect” women and
put them on a pedestal. And what do these boys become? “Nice guys”,
“friends”, guys who have heard “You’re like a brother to me” so many
times they want to puke. They should take a cue from Dad and realize
that Mom liked jerks, she liked jerks so much that she let this jerk
(who didn’t give a damn about her) impregnate her.
A man should realize that in order to get sex, he needs to be somewhat
of a jerk to get it. Being a nice guy simply means you’ll spend time
in the bathroom with a copy of FHM while your phone is ringing with a
call from your female “friend” asking you to help her move because her
jerk of a boyfriend told her he was busy.
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- Do not allow yourself to be a makeover project. Ever wonder why
makeover shows and fixer-uppers are so popular with women? Because
they are obsessed with changing things, especially men. They think
they can change you and make you better. Forget about the arrogance,
ego and sense of superiority it takes to drive this train of thought,
just get away. If you’re not what they want initially, then the
logical thing would be to leave you and go somewhere else right? Well,
not with them! Use it to your advantage. Don’t change. Keep them
challenged.
What do you think the women’s movement became in the 1970’s and
beyond? It was a mass movement telling men that they needed to change
all the while ignoring female accountability.
They still don’t think they need to change. It’s still all men’s
fault.
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- When she tells you she needs “romance”, run away, far away! When a
woman uses the excuse that she needs romance in order to have sex with
you, the relationship is over. It’s a cover-up, a lie for her not to
admit that she just doesn’t like sex with you or that you can’t
satisfy her. It could also mean that she just doesn’t like sex at all.
If the sex were that good, she wouldn’t need romance. If Brad Pitt
walked up on her naked, she sure wouldn’t need romance. I’ll bet that
one-night-stand she had in Cancun/Greece/other foreign country (where
no one would know what she did) didn’t involve romance. Maybe just
substitute “Jagermeister” for “Romance”, that should put her in the
mood.
Besides, 99% of the time, having romance means “spending inordinate
amounts of money” to validate her worth. Too much work! Just dump her
and get a whore. At least the whore leaves you alone and doesn’t
subject you to her incessant blabbering once she gets paid.
When a woman orgasms, it has little to do with what the man is doing
to her and mostly to do with what she is doing, inside her head.
A woman can easily orgasm with any man she chooses to. If the woman
you are with isn't orgasming, it's because she CHOOSES to see you as
someone who isn't sexually stimulating, hence the need for “romance”.
It is EXTREMELY important to understand that (within limits) how
sexual you appear toward a woman isn't under your direct control. You
can slim down, lift weights and even get cosmetic surgery and she
won't be attracted.
She will, temporarily, be attracted to a guy who makes himself
unavailable. And she definitely will be attracted if you make yourself
inappropriate in some way (leather jackets, tattoos, earrings and
other bad boy image stuff are favorites).
Part of this is the hilarious situation that often a woman you barely
know, orgasms like a banshee at the slightest stimulation, and then
becomes completely frigid later on in the relationship. Often they
will try to mask this as "issues with intimacy". But what is really
going on here, is she is purposefully shutting down her own sexual
impulses, because she no longer thinks she needs to please you
anymore.
This isn't true with men. A woman who makes herself look in certain
stereotypical ways, will make herself generically attractive to all
men. And a woman who screws you with ardor and skill, will definitely
make you orgasm.
The point here is frigidity in women is a big warning sign. It is
intentional, passive aggressive behavior that is just a part of the
bigger issue of disrespect. If a woman starts having "sexual problems"
like this, dump her immediately, for two reasons. The next one won't
(ie, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you are fucking
her). AND, the woman you just dumped, seems to have no problem
orgasming with the biker/meth dealer living next door (even though, he
is so drugged out of his mind, he can barely get it up).
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- Always make sure that you are either already successful or firmly
set on the path to your success in your career endeavors before you
actually commit to a woman. Women are dream killers. They will kill
all of the hopes, plans, and dreams that you have, because once
they’re with you, their needs come first. They won’t tell you this
up-front, they’ll simply emotionally abuse you into this position. If
you work too much to pay for her overspending, she’ll get mad at you
for not spending enough time with her.
If you work too little or don’t make enough money to your full
potential, she’ll bash you relentlessly for not being ambitious or for
just simply being a loser. You can’t win. It only matters if her needs
are satisfied and quite often, they’ll change the agenda just to
either test you or suit their needs.
So many American women are so spoiled these days that they just don’t
understand sacrifice. How many would sacrifice living in a house they
can afford for a studio apartment so that the excess money could be
used to invest or make more money?
They would rather meet a man who has already made the sacrifices to be
successful. It’s better that you take the risks and make the
sacrifices it takes to be truly successful (if that’s your goal)
before you settle down. Shit, don’t settle down with an American woman
at all, keep your money!
American women will act as if they care about your needs only to the
extent that their own needs are already taken care of.
Women need to realize that self-sacrifice is a male trait, something
for which we’re biologically wired.
That’s why we do the heavy lifting, fight the wars, die first, jump in
front of bullets to save them, let them off the sinking ship first, do
the worst, most dangerous jobs, so chivalrous acts to benefit them
that in no way benefit us, etc.… Women need to learn self-sacrifice
and unlearn selfishness. Unfortunately, feminism took away the things
that governed and limited female selfishness and self-centeredness.
That is why the “ME society” began.
Feminism taught American (Westernized) women that any selfless act
they do for men is “oppression”. They have been conditioned to think
that doing any little thing for a man makes them a “slave”.
Do not give into her HINTS. Even if you somehow have the magical,
miracle power of being able to pick up on her hints, don’t. Just wait
until she says what she wants up front. We men are not mind-readers,
and honestly, we don’t care enough after a while to try to decipher
your stupid code. And if you give us crap for not being psychic, I
have no problem telling you to “FUCK OFF”.
I will tell you up front to ask me or tell me what you want, it’s that
simple. And if you don’t want to follow that simple rule, find another
punching bag. This hinting is nothing but an intentional set-up just
so she can bitch at you for not being able to figure her out. Anyone
who does that needs serious help and has zero respect for you.
I mean, really. With all the inane, unimportant, incessant blabbering
women dole out on a daily basis, would anyone really expect men to be
able to filter through all of that crap to try to miraculously figure
out what they want?
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- No hugging, no cuddling, no spooning – get it and get out.
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- Nice guys finish last. Yeah, this may be construed as true, but do
you really want to finish last, and is it really all it’s cracked up
to be? When you’re with a woman that wants to settle down with you,
and she’s dated a lot of jerks in the past but now she wants to be
with you because you’re nice and treat her well… Here’s what they’re
telling you stealthily, “I’m sick of dating guys who make me so hot
that I practically want to rip my clothes off for them. I’m ready for
a nice guy who treats me well, even though he’s not all that sexually
attractive to me.” “Besides, I’m sick of spreading my legs and being a
complete slut, now I just want to settle down with a sperm donor,
wallet and doormat whose testicles will fit nicely on my mantle.”
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The criticisms you get are not about how wrong I am, but about how
women are justified in behaving this way because men are so bad, a
sort of revenge, not a rational, equitable solution. Well, I’m telling
the truth then yet women will constantly try to rationalize their
evil. If they’re not willing to change themselves for the better, then
why the hell should they expect us to?
The true reason why they want men to initiate contact is because
they’re too afraid to do it themselves. They’re more afraid of
rejection than us. They wouldn’t admit it though, they’d rather hide
behind the “old-fashioned”, “traditional” way of a man approaching the
woman. This way, their fragile female egos remain intact and they have
a wonderfully convenient rationalization to boot. Yep, as much as they
love to talk about our fragile egos, they’ve got them too, but can’t
admit it lest they abdicate their sense of superiority.
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts for a man to approach a woman. Just
remember that when that gutless, yellow-bellied, spineless,
chickenshit whore tries to rationalize not asking a man out.
Women try to force men to accept their extremely self-centered,
self-absorbed, self-obsessed, erroneous worldview, and when we don’t,
they demonize us for it.
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- You want to know why we don’t talk? Because you don't listen and
would rather not hear what we have to say anyway. And even after we’ve
said how we feel honestly, you’ll rip into us for being insensitive
jerks and turn the conversation back towards yourselves and how your
feelings are so important. And guess what happens, we shut down
because we don’t want to hear your shrill, shrieking voices anymore.
Like you said, It just depends on who you want to be - Mr. Nice Guy,
i.e. Mr. Reliable who's not necessarily a big turn-on or Mr.
Money/Muscles/Power/Fame who really gets her hot sexually, is
unpredictable, unreliable, doesn't really give a crap about her, and
indulges her need to "get" him. This is why the pursuit of someone
that will satisfy you sexually, isn't necessarily a good choice for a
lifetime partner. Quite often there is conflict, because the sexual
buzz lasts for a limited time.
Joe Canuck
Good recipe to remain alone... if that is what you are seeking.
Would *you* like to be treated in that fashion?
n.george
a pattern of "dating foreign" among short men.
IXNAY on the foreigners. And you won't be "getting back" at anyone by
doing so. If you're a short man, American women will be estatic if you
"date foreign" (well...the ones men actually want to date, anyway).
In fact, they might just tear up and get all emotional about how
"beautiful" it is.
...while her tall man agrees and places his chin upon her head.
r k
surfcowboy
Hardpan wrote:
> THE RULES
No one cares if you establish a set of rules for yourself. But don't
project your problems with women on the rest of us.
Thanks
R
Bernd Jendrissek
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>You sound angry. I couldn't even finish reading the whole rant. What
>happend? Some chick wouldn't put out for you tonight?
It's always just "angry" or "bitter" or "couldn't get laid", isn't it?
Thinking hurts. Ouch.
I could read the whole post just perfectly, even if it does overlook
some inescapable social-contractual perspectives.
I found the post quite optimistic about the respectability of foreign
(read: non-Western/consumerist) women.
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Joe Canuck <Joe.Can...@removethis-gmail.com> wrote in news:rK2dnZ-
r5Ih2GajfRVn...@magma.ca:
> Would *you* like to be treated in that fashion?
>Nice Guys ARE treated in that fashion by women you stupid bag of shit.
Well, if they're short they are.
If a tall guy is nice, he's a "hero". If a tall guy's a bastard, he's
"cool".
Short guys get to be "friends" and "trolls".
r k
bluesmama
Hardpan wrote:
> THE RULES
This is undoubtedly one of the saddest things I've ever read. Life is
short, and uncertain, and there's no guarantee that there's anything
beyond this life -- so to spend precious time on such bitterness is
such a terrible waste of time and energy.
The Babaloughesian
"Hardpan" <har...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h3lb31h07kjr0ltih...@4ax.com...
> On 14 Mar 2005 09:01:37 -0800, "bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com>
>
> This list of rules is about helping Men get some tail from
> self-centered American whores who like to play games and see how much
> you will do for them before putting out.
It's partly about that. And it probably does a good job of it. It's mostly
about venting emotion, though. It's obvious from the wording.
Dr. Sooz
them:
Expect to die a virgin.
The Babaloughesian
> On 14 Mar 2005 10:36:34 -0800, "Dr. Sooz" <penh...@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The rules work and that's why you posted here. The rules have your
> number down pat and you know it.
She's married. She has nothing to fear from your rules.
> It must make you feel very bitter knowing that the games women play
> are well known by millions of Men.
>
> But thanks for playing anyway ! <bg>
bluesmama
>
> This list of rules is about helping Men get some tail from
> self-centered American whores who like to play games and see how much
> you will do for them before putting out.
>
you
> spend a lot a cash on a woman that will never have sex with you.
>
> Is there some reason I should pay any more attention to you, troll?
>
> No.
>
> <<<PLONK>>>>>
What bitterness, indeed.
Jim Winters
bluesmama wrote:
> Hardpan wrote:
> > THE RULES
>
> This is undoubtedly one of the saddest things I've ever read. Life is
> short
I've never understood the expression "life is short". High school
lasted four years but it felt like a hundred. And it feels like it's
been sixty years since high school ended even though it's only been
five.
Why can't I just hurry up and die of natural causes already?
greg...@yahoo.com
Hardpan wrote:
> THE RULES
>
>
> - Be inconsiderate, don't listen to her problems. Anyone a woman
tells
> her problems to is someone she will not sleep with. Besides, if
you're
> the guy she's pouring her heart out to about her relationship
> problems, chances are the guy she's sleeping with doesn't give a
crap
> what she thinks and that's why she's sleeping with him.
Ain't it the truth. I'll also point out that life is too short to
listen to someone squawking about her bf, job, and so on, especially
when she has no intention of fixing whatever the problems are. She
doesn't even want you to suggest solutions, and some will even resent
you for doing so. She just wants you to listen, to what end I have no
idea. Don't do it. Be too busy.
> ------------------------------------
> - Be unreliable - don't be there to answer a call, especially on the
> weekends. Leave that to her male "friends", you know, the pussies
that
> are too timid to actually "close the deal" and sleep with her
like
> they truly want to.
Well I don't know about that. You could answer the call and see what
she wants. If it's to chat, you can say you're busy, and you'll be
right. There is always something better to do than talk to a girl on
the phone. If she calls to set up a date, set it up, and then finish
the call.
> ------------------------------------
> - Do NOT be dependable. Do not be easily accessible. You do NOT want
> to be around when she needs someone to help her move. That's what
her
> male friends are for.
And you can be sure she wouldn't do the same favor for you. Help your
male friends, because those are real friendships, and they'll get you
out of a bind too. But when a girl wants you to move furniture for
her, forget it. Watching the mid-day movie on AMC would be preferable.
> ------------------------------------
> - Don't spend more than $30.00 on a date, $0 (zero dollars) is
> preferable. A better idea is not to take her out to dinner at all.
Well that all depends on whether a date gets you what you want. If you
spend that, and then you spend the next four hours in bed with her,
you've spent $15 on a four-hour romp. (The other $15 was for your
food. Dating is somewhat of an excuse to treat yourself to a nice
meal.) But if, after dinner, you gather from the conversation that
your money was spent in vain, you can still avoid spending more on her.
> Leave that to the chumps. Tell her to hook up with you for a drink
> after she has dinner with the chump. Why waste your money otherwise?
> A woman knows in the first few minutes of meeting you whether or not
> she'll want to sleep with you.
But you don't know.
> It doesn't matter how much you spend on
> her after knowing that. And if it does matter, she's a whore
anyway,
> so you can weed her out. Why spend money to validate her worth at
your
> expense?
If you swear off meal hoes, you greatly shrink the pool of potential
lovers.
> And what do you think that says about what she thinks about you?
It doesn't really matter what she thinks. It's what she does.
> - Never tell her when she asks if you're seeing someone, that
you're
> not. It's a test question. She's probably going out with other
people
> too. Telling her you're not seeing anyone does NOT improve your
> chances. Making women know that you're in demand is your best
weapon
> to get sex. Give her a nice cryptic answer
Absolutely. It's none of her business anyway. You've made no
committments to her.
[...]
> - Don't leave the toilet seat down if you don't have to. I'm
sure she
> evokes the rules of equality only when it benefits her, but does an
> immediate about-face when it's a traditional "courtesy" that
men do
You can do her an even greater courtesy by giving her valuable advice.
Ask her how many wet asses it will take before she finally learns to
look at the seat before sitting. They will go to all out war over the
seat, because if you leave it up, they'll fall in. But whose fault is
that? No matter how they slice it, they can't blame anyone else if
they fall into a toilet.
[...]
peter_ro...@hotmail.com
"rules" do actually make a fair few good points about how many womens
minds work on a subconscious level.
To categorize all women as being whores and all thinking in the same
way is completely wrong though. There's alot of women that aren't
devious or manipulative. Some are just looking for happiness in life.
Joe Canuck
> Joe Canuck <Joe.C...@removethis-gmail.com> wrote in news:rK2dnZ-
> r5Ih2Ga...@magma.ca:
>
>
>>Would *you* like to be treated in that fashion?
>
>
Seems *you* are the one spewing the shit, so I suggest *you* are the
shit bag. ;)
Steve
life and obtain a large hate group with your name as the focus. I was "the
nice guy for many many years and yeah I will admit it doesn't get you any
"true" friends and it doesn't allow your wallet full or your time unabused.
But going in completely the opposite direction doesn't work either, rather
than being stepped on people will be scared to come and speak to you, you
will be just as alone. Getting a balance between the 2 is the most
successful way you can go, if people give you shit you call them on it, not
to the extent of punching thier lights out of course, and if someone asks
you to do something that you dont want to do/dont have time for you can just
say "no sorry, can't do it". Also asking other people to do things for you
will get respect.
Steve
cv
>
> Hardpan wrote:
>> THE RULES
>
> This is undoubtedly one of the saddest things I've ever read.
I take it that you haven't heard of the bestseller "The Rules" by Ellen
Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising to
teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less saddened
by that?
Besides, women's magazines are overflowing with tricks to hook guys, are
you saddened by that too?
> Life is
> short, and uncertain, and there's no guarantee that there's anything
> beyond this life -- so to spend precious time on such bitterness is
> such a terrible waste of time and energy.
Check out alt.seduction.fast or www.fastseduction.com. These guys are
busy refining their "rules" and are delighted with the results. They are
not bitter in the least. This stuff works very well, apparently, which is
quite a commentary on the modern western woman.
Weren't you of the opinion that women were not responsible for taking
advantage of men's chivalry? Isn't it ironic that a person such as you
should feel sad on reading a few "rules"?
-CV
Peter Metcalfe
> Hardpan wrote:
>
>> THE RULES
>>
>
>
> Good recipe to remain alone... if that is what you are seeking.
>
Mebbe not alone.. but, as with the women's version, a fantastic way of
ensuring that the only relationships you'll ever have are with lunatics
or those with serious self-esteem issues. As an added bonus it also
provides plenty of material to demonstrate that the rules are necessary
to "protect" yourself.
Have fun,
P.
--
The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.
H. L. Mencken
surfcowboy
shit.
Speak for yourself ~ I seem to be doing just fine.
R
surfcowboy
Sure you did. You posted them.
>These rules have been added to over the years by >many men who have
>been taken advantage of by western women
Country & Western women? What the fuck are you jabbering on about?
>The choice is yours
Except you're the one not getting laid. So apparently your rules aren't
working for you.
R
Largo
getting sex or not. I've known men who seem to follow these antisocial
patterns almost to a 'T' and some had sexual contact with women and
some did not. On the other end of the stick, I've known some very
pleasant gents who are essentially the opposite of these "rules" and
some of them have sexual experiences and some do not. Other variables
seem to be at work, particularly with younger people. Older women are
less likely, I think, to tolerate such behavior.
In other words, the song will always remain the same despite the
trumpets of hucksters: short, poor, ugly shy man will likely not have
success whether or not them follow these-or any other-rules. Whereas a
taller, well-heeled, handsome man will have better luck across the
board, rules or no.
Frankly, I think alot of these rules and seduction plans and such are
bunk. Similar to King Canute commanding the tides (look it up), men
with a high Sexual Market Value get sex with desirable women and men
with low Sexual Market Value do not. Men with very low SMV can shade
their behavior one way or the other, but their SMV remains relatively
the same or goes down. The whole situation resembles two guys watching
sports. One guy sits passively while the other hops and yells and waves
his arms. In the end, neither affect the action on the screen.
The only thing these rules--and any other set of screeds that advise
men to cast aside the Golden Rule and act like a knave--succeed in
doing is hurting the men who employ them.
Coats
bluesmama
Whether it's bitterness by women aimed at men, at other women or at
themselves - or bitterness by men aimed at women, at other men or at
themselves -- it's always sad.
The Babaloughesian
"Troll" <tr...@master.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961A1526FA94eh3du@localhost...
> "The Babaloughesian" <babalou...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:39m5cuF...@individual.net:
> described in his excellent Rules post.
She waits on him, not the other way around.
http://tinyurl.com/6vy2j
Dr. Sooz
>
The rules work and that's why you posted >here. The rules have your
number down pat and you know it.
>
are well known by millions of Men.
>
But thanks for playing anyway ! <bg>
What "number"? What world do you live in? Ooooh yeah -- I want you,
Limp-pan! **Laughing my butt off** I don't play anything with you, El
Presumpto. Bitter? Haw! I have a life I don't share here. I just
come here to ---- I don't really know *why* I come here. Because you
guys are such a waste; teenage moaning, groaning, whining endlessly, or
feeling smug that your "cleverness" can chop everyone off at the knees
(you wish -- it's so sad).
I know I originally came because Dolores said I should check it out.
Then I thought I could help Gray Loser get together with the coffee
girl. I really thought I could help him! How ridiculous! Then I grew
to be disgusted by you hopeless saps because you hate women, and you
hate yourselves. So I thought, "Hey! A great place to dump any
residual irritation I have from driving in traffic, dealing with
crowds, etc. etc."
Games with un-males aren't fun to play. I just use ASS as a dumping
ground, because boys who are as stupid as you all seem to be need it.
Dr. Sooz
lasted four years but it felt like a >hundred. And it feels like it's
been sixty years since high school >ended even though it's only been
five.
See? I knew it. You're all boys.
Dr. Sooz
That's true. (You might add "blissfully" in front of "married".)
Dr. Sooz
I'm 5' 1/2". So no matter how long I live, life will be short.
I've always dug short guys. I married a guy 2 inches shorter than I
am. Had a lot of shorter boyfriends, too. LOVE 'em! Don't sell
yourself short (seriously, no pun intended).
Dr. Sooz
Ellen
>Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising
to
>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
saddened
by that?
That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
Dr. Sooz
described in his excellent Rules post.
You wish. He......well, that's none of your business. But he's a
happy, happy guy. :-D
Dr. Sooz
>themselves - or bitterness by men aimed at women, at other men or at
themselves -- it's always sad.
Righteous, bluesmama!
Dr. Sooz
That is correct, Baba.
The Babaloughesian
"Dr. Sooz" <penh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1110853504.9...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >She waits on him, not the other way around.
>
> That is correct, Baba.
I am frequently correct.
Dr. Sooz
And funny, too.
iloveshayyyy
and stopped because it made me sick.women are not tools for men to
use.women are human too and deserve to be treated equally.being a
dickhead will result in you never settling down and when you are 45
never getting laid and being by yourself for the rest of your life.some
women do munipulate men and play sick games but dont try to pretend
that men dont.its dickfucks like you that make the world a horrible
place for people to live."Only give women what they deserve. American
women are the most
unappreciative creatures on Earth, so they don't often deserve
anything but a good spanking. "that phrase right there is disgusting. i
hope you one day get a rude awakening by someone slapping you in the
face and teaching you that you cant treat women like that.women are
delicate things and cannot be handled harshly but treating them like
that is despicable.fuck you.
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
news:1110861949.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> oh my god.you dont know a thing about women do you.i read half of this
> and stopped because it made me sick.women are not tools for men to
> use.women are human too and deserve to be treated equally.being a
> dickhead will result in you never settling down and when you are 45
> never getting laid and being by yourself for the rest of your life.some
> women do munipulate men and play sick games but dont try to pretend
> that men dont.its dickfucks like you that make the world a horrible
> place for people to live.
by saturn's rings STOP dr veselovsky arrives may 11 nyc STOP imperative
you must stop him STOP or will complete his doom machine STOP you're our
only hope STOP
--
"Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?" -SeaLab2021
"There is no way out of here." -Manos IV: Torgo Goes To Baghdad.
Bernd Jendrissek
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surfcowboy <surfco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Bernd Jendrissek wrote:
>> I could read the whole post just perfectly, even if it does overlook
>> some inescapable social-contractual perspectives.
>
>Just more bullshit from the "can't get laid crowd...
I don't understand why you need to note that I don't get laid. I've
plastered that fact all over the Internet - it's hardly a secret!
Is it supposed to be an insult? That's what it usually was when I was a
teenager...
BTW, you sound bitter.
- --
non-smoking section in a restaurant == non-peeing section in a swimming pool
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surfcowboy <surfco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Except you're the one not getting laid.
Ummm... how do you know that?
BTW, you sound angry.
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Sooz <penh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>See? I knew it. You're all boys.
You sound bitter.
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Have you even read it? I think it's a marvelous book; it *tries* to
teach women how to be attractive and how to enjoy their romantic lives
*without* getting hurt (used & dumped style pattern) in the process, and
*without* hurting men more than necessary either. (A woman can't accept
all men's offers - some hurt from rejection is inevitable.)
Unfortunately, many women seem to take the book as yet another way to
manipulate men. A way to achieve short-term tactical victories over men
(relations between men and women are sadly infected with political
agendas) instead of a *strategic* guide to long-term happiness.
IMO the single biggest mistake women make in trying to apply TR is to
use them (the "Rules") as a way to play a *particular* man for marriage,
whether he is in fact suitable for such a long-term commitment or not.
BTW, you sound bitter.
- --
I have neither the need, the time, or the inclination to put words into your
mouth. You are perfectly capable of damaging your reputation without any help
from me. --Richard Heathfield roasts a troll in comp.lang.c
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peter_ro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>I'm not a woman hater by any means
That's not for you to decide - only women and their supplicating "nice
guy" orbiters can do that.
>but I would have to admit that those "rules" do actually make a fair
>few good points about how many womens minds work on a subconscious
>level.
They're pretty universal, IMHO - these are just specific manifestations
of general principles that work on both sexes.
>To categorize all women as being whores and all thinking in the same
>way is completely wrong though. There's alot of women that aren't
>devious or manipulative. Some are just looking for happiness in life.
Unfortunately, the Western consumerist propaganda machine is
brainwashing women into seeking (lasting) happiness there where it
cannot be found.
BTW, you sound bitter.
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iloveshayyyy <pinup...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>oh my god.you dont know a thing about women do you.
How do you know?
>women are not tools for men to use.
Men are not tools for women to use.
>women are human too and deserve to be treated equally.
So are men.
>being a dickhead will result in you never settling down
Who said he wants to settle down?
>and when you are 45 never getting laid and being by yourself for
>the rest of your life.
I believe Hardpan *is* 50 and he claims he *does* get laid.
>some women do munipulate men and play sick games but dont try to
>pretend that men dont.
Of course men also play sick games. One difference is that women will
band together and support even one of their sisters who *is* playing
sick games. It's "empowering", after all. ISTM that men's response to
ther own "bad apples" is more heterogenous (although this could just be
a well-known bias) - just look at this thread; there are plenty of *men*
denouncing Hardpan wimply for re-posting what somebody else wrote!
>"American women are the most unappreciative creatures on Earth,
I'm so glad I live in South Africa and not in the USA; our women do seem
plenty more appreciative of men and the favours we do for women than US
women seem to be.
I've been lurking one of those web message boards for women practising
_The Rules_, and even those "Creatures Unlike Any Other", who are
supposed to be the *best* specimens of womanhood, seem awfully infested
with a sense of entitlement. No matter how poorly they are treating
their men, there will always be twenty other women cheering them on
about how they "deserve" a man who "understands" and "loves her for who
she is".
Sugar and spice vs. snips and snails. That value judgement is pervasive
in Western mass media.
>i hope you one day get a rude awakening by someone slapping you in the
>face and teaching you that you cant treat women like that.
You can treat men that way? Oh, I see. It's okay for a woman to slap
her bf around, but it's not okay the other way around?
>women are delicate things and cannot be handled harshly
And men are disposable and bulletproof?
>but treating them like that is despicable.fuck you.
I think that was the whole point of Hardpan's (re)post. A big up yours
to women who treat men like garbage! It's karmic payback, that's all.
BTW, you sound angry.
- --
Seen in comp.lang.c:
> cody wrote:
>> The problem is that i believe that my assertions are correct.
> Yes, that is a problem.
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Society
"Peter Rogers" as <peter_ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110829697....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> I'm not a woman hater by any means but
...you have a guilty conscience and fear
you have to begin your post with an apology
'cause you're a male, eh Peter Rogers?
Lose that shame you're carrying around
from all that unearned guilt someone dumped
on you when you were at an impressionable
age, Peter Rogers! You'll be a much better
man when you do.
> I would have to admit that those "rules" do
> actually make a fair few good points about
> how many women's minds work on a
> subconscious level.
Yup.
There are a few women with enough emotional
strength in their own hearts to admit that, too.
Not many tho'.
Women invent rules, manipulate men to obey them,
and in this way dominate men -- but in no way
apply the rules to themselves. The `weaker' sex
is not bound by honor, justice, or fairness.
A woman's right to change her mind means her right
to change the rules of the game while you're
running between second and third base. They don't
play boy-rules. Honor and etiquette have no place
in women's lives, they live by subterfuge, deceit,
and innuendo.
Esther Vilar, _The Manipulated Man_
(original title, _Der dressierte Mann_,
English translation by Eva Borneman
and Ursula Bender)
Farrar, Straus and Giroux, publishers (1972)
> To categorize all women as being whores
> and all thinking in the same way is completely
> wrong though.
There you go again, Peter Rogers, letting those
guilt-trippers who car-jacked your mind once
upon a time in your impressionable youth
get the better of your good judgment. Nowhere
in Hardpan's post was it claimed that "all women
are whores". For you to imply as you did that
such was said is to spread the very sort of
womanly lies Hardpan's post exposed, Peter
Rogers. Sheesh!
> There's a lot of women that aren't devious or
> manipulative. Some are just looking for
> happiness in life.
Uh huh. And because so many American women
ARE "devious or manipulative" (why do you suppose
Ellie Fein and Shellie Schneider's book _The Rules_
sold so well to US women in the 1990s? Hint: Men
weren't the book's big market), looking for women
of the good hearted sort you describe, Peter Rogers,
among the American born and raised is already a
waste of time for US men who live anywhere near
or within an urbanized area of the USA (where 80%
plus of American men live and can earn a living).
Thus, the post you're judging, Peter Rogers, advised
American men to look among women acculturated
outside the feminized US culture for the men who
want the sort of 'nice' woman you feel you have to
defend, Peter Rogers.
Btw, why do you suppose, Peter Rogers, did
so many in these news groups rush into this thread
eager to bash A MAN who is, as you put it, "just
looking for happiness in life"?
--
Women interpret, explain, judge, and condemn men
for their conduct of sexual relationships without
examining the role and conduct of women; as though
those relationships were conducted in a vacuum
without interaction with women. In the classic form
of "do as I say, not as I do", some of these works
have been in reaction to and contained vicious
attacks on the psychologist Sigmund Freud for his
condescending view of female sexuality, while their
own condescension is both less based on empirical
investigation and more extreme and oversimplified.
Zed the Zen Priest, "Male Sexuality"
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3951/sex1mal.html
MCMLXVI
>>She's married. She has nothing to fear from your rules.
Dr. Sooz wrote:
> That's true. (You might add "blissfully" in front of "married".)
Mazel Tov!
Society
"Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia" <ne...@newb.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9619DCA3E9...@68.12.19.6...
>
> "girlie" as iloveshayyyy whined...
>>
>>oh my god.you dont know a thing about
>>women do you.i read half of this and
>>stopped because it made me sick.
Hey, I'll bet you got that "made me sick"
line from Nancy Hopkins of MIT!
<giggle>
>>women are not tools for men to use.
Yeah, yeah, you hate hearing that what's
sauce for the goose -- manipulating people
of the other sex as "tools" for you "to use" --
is sauce for the gander. Well, grow up.
Ask your mommie if she ever read Ellie
Fein and Shellie Schneider's "Rules" books.
They were big sellers with women in the
1990s -- remember, back in the days when
cheantin' heart clinton was popular with
American women?
>>women are human too and deserve to be
>>treated equally.
Yeah, yeah, so you say. But the truth is that
if you're an American girlie you've never bothered
to fill out a draft registration card, or scolded
your political representatives for not subjecting
your precioussss female body to the draft, or
gave up any of your government's funding for
your time in college because it wasn't equally
available to the men who -- like you -- also
didn't fill out a draft card.
Sheesh, girlie, don't pull that "women... deserve
to be treated equally" cr*p on your betters here
because we know just how full of cowsh*t you
are when you do. Women can be "treated equally"
to men the instant women let go of their privileges.
>>being a dickhead
You're waxing autobiographical here, girlie.
>>will result in you never settling down
"Settling down" is your code for "being some
woman's wallet with his testicles in her purse".
Your type, girlie, is as common as dirt. Sheesh.
>>and when you are 45 never getting laid and
>>being by yourself for the rest of your life.
<giggle>
You wish.
>>some women do munipulate men and play
>>sick games
Yeah, and you're speaking from your own
personal experience of doing that, eh?
>>but dont try to pretend that men dont.
Whose pretending -- besides you, that is?
But what you and others who've gotten all
defensive after reading Hardpan's post don't
want to admit is that generally men don't
manipulate those of the other sex while women
DO. Hint: Who do you suppose is buying all
those copies of _The Rules_ and their current
knock-offs? Hint #2: They aren't men. Hint
#3: The best selling women's magazines are
studded with teasers on their covers for articles
on how women can to manipulate their men
while the magazines that sell best to men are
all about how to bring home more money home
to the woman. Look around you, girlie.
>>its dickfucks like you that make the world
>>a horrible place for people to live.
>
> by saturn's rings STOP dr veselovsky arrives
> may 11 nyc STOP imperative you must stop
> him STOP or will complete his doom machine
> STOP you're our only hope STOP
Good answer to that whining girlie, Mad Mambo!
--
Makeup, low-cut dresses, even high heels,
all mimic signals that a woman gives off
when she is "ready." Men are constantly
having their involuntary reflexes beaten
on to respond to a woman who signals that
she is "ready" when, in fact, she is not.
Just about all the terrible miscommunications
between men and women would go away if men
would go back to sniffing women's butts.
Zed the Zen Priest, "Why Men Go for 'the Look'"
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3951/noback/thelook.html
Frederick Jerome
>THE RULES
>
If your 're tall, well build and handsome and are possessed of a don't
give a fuck attitude, you'll fuck yourself silly. I had a buddy like
this and my son has one today. My son's friend is as dumb as a bag of
hammers and as useless as tits on a boar, but women throw themselves
at him begging him to fuck them.
Women are primitive pigs. They want a champion not a decent guy. The
key to getting laid is to pass yourself off as a champion. My 5'6"
130lb friend was a "virgin." He spent 2 years of frenzied working out
and gained 35lbs of muscle. At 165 and with not an once of fat, he
exuded muscularity. He began to fuck himself silly.
The "rules" may help but handsome physical dominance is the only sure
way to get laid. Money can "buy" you women, but only good looks and a
great body will impel women to want to fuck you. Moron bush league
sports players will always outfuck Mensa members. Women are primitive
pigs. Without men intervening to prevent it, women will breed with the
troglodyte not the intelligent, civilized man.
bluesmama
> @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Poor happy, fulfilled, loved, evolved men. How you must envy - ooops, I
mean pity - them.
bluesmama
howldog wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2005 06:45:31 -0800, "bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> Pussy whipped men think they are happy. Poor creatures.
> >
> >Poor happy, fulfilled, loved, evolved men.
>
>
>
>
> happy, fulfilled, loved and evolved?
>
> what planet did you find these men on?
That's not how I'm defining them, but then again, I don't know any
pussy-whipped men. I know men that some posters to this ng might _call_
pussywhipped, but that's where we disagree. To a large degree, it's
about perspective.
He listens to his wife talk about her problems? Man, that boy's
pussywhipped.
He listens to his wife talk about her problems? Man, that boy's getting
a nice supper AND a hummer tonight, because he's got a happy wife and
he's secure enough i his masculinity to be a loving, supportive
partner.
Perspective.
bluesmama
howldog wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2005 08:30:32 -0800, "bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >howldog wrote:
> >> On 15 Mar 2005 06:45:31 -0800, "bluesmama"
<oneblu...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Pussy whipped men think they are happy. Poor creatures.
> >> >
> >> >Poor happy, fulfilled, loved, evolved men.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> thats how you actually describe a pussy whipped man?
> >>
> >> happy, fulfilled, loved and evolved?
> >>
> >> what planet did you find these men on?
> >
> >That's not how I'm defining them, but then again, I don't know any
> >pussy-whipped men.
>
>
See, that's exactly what I mean.
Isn't all human interaction about exchange and compromise? I suppose if
you want to live all by yourself and not depend on anyone or have
anyone to depend on, it's not.
But surely a man can give enough of himself so that his partner can
depend on him, and yet keep his masculinity intact by having strong
boundaries...I don't control my husband's behavior and he doesn't
control mine. He provides for me financially, and I provide for him
emotionally. It seems to work out fine for us, and he certainly doesn't
consider himself pussywhipped - we just support each other in the ways
that we do best.
And for some women that might be providing income, and for some men
that might be providing emotional support - why does everything have to
be so combative, so either-or, so right-wrong? Why can't everyone just
do what they do best, irrespective of gender or race or any other
classifier, and just be allowed to contribute as they can, and if
they're happy and fulfilled, who are any of us to call them oppressed
or pussywhipped or dickwhipped, for that matter?
August Pamplona
> On 15 Mar 2005 09:00:04 -0800, "bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>howldog wrote:
>>
>>>On 15 Mar 2005 08:30:32 -0800, "bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>howldog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 15 Mar 2005 06:45:31 -0800, "bluesmama"
>>
>><oneblu...@gmail.com>
>>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pussy whipped men think they are happy. Poor creatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Poor happy, fulfilled, loved, evolved men.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>thats how you actually describe a pussy whipped man?
>>>>>
>>>>>happy, fulfilled, loved and evolved?
>>>>>
>>>>>what planet did you find these men on?
>>>>
>>>>That's not how I'm defining them, but then again, I don't know any
>>>>pussy-whipped men.
>>>
>>>
>>>heh. yeah sure, baby ;-)
>>
>>See, that's exactly what I mean.
>>
>>Isn't all human interaction about exchange and compromise? I suppose if
>>you want to live all by yourself and not depend on anyone or have
>>anyone to depend on, it's not.
>
>
>
> than I would. I could define XYZ married guy as hopelessly
> pussywhipped and miserable, and you might not see it that way at all,
> you might see him as happy and content.
>
And what both iof you think means didley squat. If she says
he's happy and content while in reality he's miserable, it is the
latter that matters to him. If you say he's pussy whipped while in
reality he's happy, it is the latter that matters to him.
[snip]
August Pamplona
--
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Excellent point.
cv
On the contrary, sensitive guys envy the bad boys who seem to get all the
girls.
-CV
The Babaloughesian
"cv" <c...@spam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.03.15....@spam.net...
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:19:02 -0800, Dr. Sooz wrote:
>
> >>I take it that you haven't heard of the bestseller "The Rules" by
> > Ellen
> >>Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising
> > to
> >>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
> > saddened
> > by that?
> >
> > That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
>
> books/newsgroups/websites? Any movement or cult has to service some need
> in order to succeed.
Perhaps the need that these books serve is to give people the feeling that
they now have an instruction manual; they give people a (false) sense of
security and control.
> And no outlandish theories, please, a large and open
> community cannot have secret agendas.
Of course it can. The way for a large and open community to have secret
agendas is to keep the agendas unspoken and unconscious. To never admit to
oneself that one has an agenda.
August Pamplona
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:19:02 -0800, Dr. Sooz wrote:
>
>
>>>I take it that you haven't heard of the bestseller "The Rules" by
>>
>>Ellen
>>
>>>Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising
>>
>>to
>>
>>>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
>>
>>saddened
>>by that?
>>
>>That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
>
>
> So what is your explanation for the popularity of these
> books/newsgroups/websites? Any movement or cult has to service some need
> community cannot have secret agendas.
>
A billion Chinese can't be wrong.
cv
> cv wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:19:02 -0800, Dr. Sooz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I take it that you haven't heard of the bestseller "The Rules" by
>>>
>>>Ellen
>>>
>>>>Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
>>>
>>>saddened
>>>by that?
>>>
>>>That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
>>
>>
>> So what is your explanation for the popularity of these
>> books/newsgroups/websites? Any movement or cult has to service some need
>> in order to succeed. And no outlandish theories, please, a large and open
>> community cannot have secret agendas.
>>
>> -CV
>
> A billion Chinese can't be wrong.
They can be wrong, but they can't keep a secret.
-CV
> August Pamplona
cv
>
> "cv" <c...@spam.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.03.15....@spam.net...
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:19:02 -0800, Dr. Sooz wrote:
>>
>> >>I take it that you haven't heard of the bestseller "The Rules" by
>> > Ellen
>> >>Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising
>> > to
>> >>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
>> > saddened
>> > by that?
>> >
>> > That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
>>
>> So what is your explanation for the popularity of these
>> books/newsgroups/websites? Any movement or cult has to service some need
>> in order to succeed.
>
> Perhaps the need that these books serve is to give people the feeling that
> they now have an instruction manual; they give people a (false) sense of
> security and control.
So why do all these groups sound so similar? Why aren't they varied like
religious cults are? Why is there no popular movement that promises you
results by being a nice guy?
>> And no outlandish theories, please, a large and open
>> community cannot have secret agendas.
>
> Of course it can. The way for a large and open community to have secret
> agendas is to keep the agendas unspoken and unconscious. To never admit to
> oneself that one has an agenda.
Do you see a secret agenda with these groups? An instruction manual that
promises security and control is hardly a secret, it is their explicitly
stated purpose.
-CV
August Pamplona
That's what the Germans would like you to believe.
The Babaloughesian
"cv" <c...@spam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.03.15....@spam.net...
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:26:43 -0500, The Babaloughesian wrote:
>
> >
> > "cv" <c...@spam.net> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2005.03.15....@spam.net...
> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:19:02 -0800, Dr. Sooz wrote:
> >>
> >> >>I take it that you haven't heard of the bestseller "The Rules" by
> >> > Ellen
> >> >>Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by promising
> >> > to
> >> >>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
> >> > saddened
> >> > by that?
> >> >
> >> > That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
> >>
> >> So what is your explanation for the popularity of these
> >> books/newsgroups/websites? Any movement or cult has to service some
need
> >> in order to succeed.
> >
> > Perhaps the need that these books serve is to give people the feeling
that
> > they now have an instruction manual; they give people a (false) sense of
> > security and control.
>
> So why do all these groups sound so similar?
Because it's easier to market some ideas than others. Usually the more
extreme, "revolutionary", simple (i.e. one-size-fits-all solutions), or
ego-affirming ones.
> Why aren't they varied like
> religious cults are?
How are religious cults varied?
> Why is there no popular movement that promises you
> results by being a nice guy?
Because most people already hear that promise from enough sources that they
don't need a popular movement to sell them the same message.
> >> And no outlandish theories, please, a large and open
> >> community cannot have secret agendas.
> >
> > Of course it can. The way for a large and open community to have secret
> > agendas is to keep the agendas unspoken and unconscious. To never admit
to
> > oneself that one has an agenda.
>
> Do you see a secret agenda with these groups?
I responded to the statement "a large and open community cannot have secret
agendas."
> An instruction manual that
> promises security and control is hardly a secret, it is their explicitly
> stated purpose.
Where?
Mark Sobolewski
"bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm reminded of the character "Edith Bunker" from All
in the Family. Of course, towards the end of the series,
it became necessary to make her politically correct
and stand up to the evil, stupid, (and of course,
conservative) Archie Bunker. But for most of the
series, she was always pleasant and happy no matter
how abusive or demeaning Archie treated her.
At some level, she knew that her "stupidity" Archie
Bunker pointed out about her made him happy and she
found pleasure in this.
On the other hand, how many modern day female Archie
Bunkers love and enjoy the P-whipped guys they're
surrounded by? There's certainly no shortage
of such men. Why aren't all of these women happily
settled down with such men instead of usually single
mothers or spinsters?
regards,
Mark Sobolewski
bluesmama
The Archie Bunker character pointed out his own meanness and bigotry,
Edith was ditzy but good-hearted at least. Stupid in that idiot savant
way as far as knowledge of relationships and emotions went, in
opposition to Archie's rigidly controlled masculine code. He needed her
more than she needed him, but of course couldn't see that. Never liked
the show much anyway.
I think just saying a man can be pussywhipped is derogatory, are men
truly that easily led? Don't you think it's more an individual choice
for each man about what things are important enough to fight about and
which things you can just let go? That seems more like strength than
weakness to me.
Hyerdahl
Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> In article <1110897931....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "bluesmama" <oneblu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Troll wrote:
> > > "Dr. Sooz" <penh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> > news:1110853303.540301.130930
> > > @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> > >
>
> I'm reminded of the character "Edith Bunker" from All
> in the Family. Of course, towards the end of the series,
> it became necessary to make her politically correct
> and stand up to the evil, stupid, (and of course,
> conservative) Archie Bunker. But for most of the
> series, she was always pleasant and happy no matter
> how abusive or demeaning Archie treated her.
> At some level, she knew that her "stupidity" Archie
> Bunker pointed out about her made him happy and she
> found pleasure in this.
The man who played Archie was, in real life, a flaming liberal. And he
loved the characters Archie and Edith because they represented
uneducated America, prior to the time when people had a greater respect
for education.
In fact, Archie sent his own daughter to college, where she met
'meathead'. :-) Archie and Edith were typical of 50ish style parents
who were not intune with what was happening in the world, but had very
definate opinions about it. :-) As to whether or not Edith was
"happy" that Archie was an abusive asshole isn't relevant since they
were fictional characters. But one way to answer that question is to,
perhaps, put yourself in the shoes of the character.
>
> On the other hand, how many modern day female Archie
> Bunkers love and enjoy the P-whipped guys they're
> surrounded by?
????? I don't know any female Archie Bunkers. I guess we travel in
different circles. Most women I know would be relieved they didn't
have to marry someone like Archie.
There's certainly no shortage > of such men. Why aren't all of these
women happily settled down with such men instead of usually single
> mothers or spinsters?
>
You can answer your own question simply by looking at the high divorce
rate, I suppose.
> regards,
> Mark Sobolewski
gray_...@hotmail.com
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Dr.
> Sooz <penh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >See? I knew it. You're all boys.
>
> You sound bitter.
This is an amusing new conceit.
Dr. Sooz
>Have you even read it?
My sister did (I only read reviews, interviews, etc. about it). She
used it, too. It worked! Weirded me out. I didn't think it was an
honest approach.
>BTW, you sound bitter.
hee hee hee
Dr. Sooz
books/newsgroups/websites?
That people are lonely, and want to remedy that situation. Why do I
have to think that book's a good thing in order for it to be
successful? I didn't buy a copy.
conn...@hotmail.com
bluesmama wrote:
> I think just saying a man can be pussywhipped is derogatory, are men
> truly that easily led? Don't you think it's more an individual choice
> for each man about what things are important enough to fight about
and
> which things you can just let go? That seems more like strength than
> weakness to me.
Being 'easily led' is when sexist mooma's dress little girls in self
excluding protect me pink, boys in expendable, self including anything
else.
Men dominate because protect me pink says 'protect me'.
Andre Lieven
Mark Sobolewski (mark_so...@yahoo.com) writes:
> In article <113d2gk...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Society" <Soc...@feminism.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "VF" <vfi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:xn0dzpugg...@news.west.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > Hardpan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> THE RULES
>> >>
>> >> - Be inconsiderate, don't listen to her
>> >> problems. Anyone a woman tells her
>> >> problems to is someone she will not
>> >> sleep with. Besides, if you're the guy
>> >> she's pouring her heart out to about
>> >> her relationship problems, chances are
>> >> the guy she's sleeping with doesn't
>> >> give a crap what she thinks and that's
>> >> why she's sleeping with him. [...]
>> >
>> > You sound angry.
>>
>> Ha ha ha! "You sound angry" is just another
>> line women and feminized males use as
>> shaming ploys with which to manipulate men.
>>
>> Anyone "angry" one is you, VF. You are upset
>> because the truth hurts you so much.
>
> Actually, it would appear that ANY display of emotion
> from men is usually characterized as some kind
> of flaw on their part whether the man is "angry",
> "bitter", "whiney", or "delusional".
The really amazing, and insanely self-contradictory part
of this, is that it tends to come from the same groups
who used to demand that men " open up to women "...
It seems that they meant it, if the men would only offer
unconditional praise...
>> > I couldn't even finish reading the whole rant.
>>
>> So you say. More likely, VF you couldn't
>> RESIST reading the whole post. Heh heh.
>
> Indeed. Score one for the troll.
Yep.
>> > What happend? Some chick wouldn't
>> > put out for you tonight?
>>
>> If "some chick" did, VF, would you now
>> (a) roll over, lick Hardpan's shoes and call him
>> your g-d, (b) admit Hardpan's assessment
>> of American women is generally correct,
>> or (c) go on being a hypocrite who's envious
>> of your betters?
>
> When I read "women like being treated like trash" posts,
> I wonder if the poster actually went through with it:
> If he actually did treat the women like trash and
> even after she fell in love with him, he dumped her
> and moved on.
That'd have been interesting to see... <g>
> I can imagine that would be an incredibly mind
> blowing experience. I didn't have the mental
> strength to go through with it, I'll admit.
> The closest I ever came was having sex with
> prostitutes and not feeling a need to
> engage in any kind of foreplay beforehand.
> Even that was pretty incredible. I can only
> imagine what an "asshole" really feels like...
>
> So yes, before someone writes this kind of post
> in the future, they really should be prepared to
> admit whether or not they had the balls to go
> through with it. Otherwise, they really
> are bitterboy losers.
Or, they are suggesting some lessons that they learned,
such that others might not spend as much time learning
them...
>> It's all about sex with you, VF. Remember
>> when feminists bellyached and whined about
>> a woman's worth being measured solely by
>> her sexual attractiveness? Meanwhile, your
>> type was always measuring the men you
>> resent not being by THEIR sexual attrac-
>> tiveness. And there you went again, VF!
>>
>> <giggle>
>
> Indeed. The very measure of whether a bitterboy
> is a loser or an asshole deserving some
> backhanded respect is whether they got laid.
> So this would seem to imply that even his
> critics acknowledge that's the metric he's being
> measured by. If he really was a nice guy
> and did all kinds of nice things for women
> and didn't get laid and wasn't bitter about it, he might
> get a pat on the head but very little respect
> from anyone.
Indeed. The central self contradiction of wuch
Feminist women, is that they cannot respect any
man who they can dominate, and they get frustrated
by men they cannot dominate and manipulate...
Talk about " lose, lose " for the women...
Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.
Poppytar
Because in America, you cannot be who you are without hating what you
are not.
dwacon
"Hardpan" <har...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> THE RULES
>
>
> - Don't spend more than $30.00 on a date, $0 (zero dollars) is
> preferable. A better idea is not to take her out to dinner at all.
> Leave that to the chumps. Tell her to hook up with you for a drink
> after she has dinner with the chump. Why waste your money otherwise?
> A woman knows in the first few minutes of meeting you whether or not
> she'll want to sleep with you. It doesn't matter how much you spend on
> her after knowing that. And if it does matter, she's a whore anyway,
> so you can weed her out. Why spend money to validate her worth at your
> expense?
Most of the post was crap, but the date issue... hmm. While I disagree with
the tone, I also don't believe that a man should "buy" a woman with an
expensive date. That mindset is retardaire.
--
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"Hardpan" <har...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30ea315b56e89cde9...@4ax.com...
> THE RULES
>
>
> - Be inconsiderate, don't listen to her problems. Anyone a woman tells
> her problems to is someone she will not sleep with. Besides, if you're
> the guy she's pouring her heart out to about her relationship
> problems, chances are the guy she's sleeping with doesn't give a crap
> what she thinks and that's why she's sleeping with him.
> ------------------------------------
> - Be unreliable - don't be there to answer a call, especially on the
> weekends. Leave that to her male "friends", you know, the pussies that
> are too timid to actually "close the deal" and sleep with her like
> they truly want to.
> ------------------------------------
> - Do NOT be dependable. Do not be easily accessible. You do NOT want
> to be around when she needs someone to help her move. That's what her
> male friends are for.
> ------------------------------------
> - Don't spend more than $30.00 on a date, $0 (zero dollars) is
> preferable. A better idea is not to take her out to dinner at all.
> Leave that to the chumps. Tell her to hook up with you for a drink
> after she has dinner with the chump. Why waste your money otherwise?
> A woman knows in the first few minutes of meeting you whether or not
> she'll want to sleep with you. It doesn't matter how much you spend on
> her after knowing that. And if it does matter, she's a whore anyway,
> so you can weed her out. Why spend money to validate her worth at your
> expense?
>
> And what do you think that says about what she thinks about you?
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> - Never tell her when she asks if you're seeing someone, that you're
> not. It's a test question. She's probably going out with other people
> too. Telling her you're not seeing anyone does NOT improve your
> chances. Making women know that you're in demand is your best weapon
> to get sex. Give her a nice cryptic answer that lets her know you are
> seeing one or more other people. Put her on notice that you are
> getting it from other sources.
>
> Make sure she knows that.
> ------------------------------------
> - Be unavailable on the weekends. Only, only go out with a woman on
> the weekend if you're guaranteed to get laid. Otherwise, go out with
> your friends on the weekends. Go out with women (you're not screwing)
> on weekdays. Make sure they know they're on the B-list, especially the
> hot ones. Hot women are so insecure that when a man doesn't take that
> much of an interest in her, she's thinking "what's wrong with me", and
> they'll try harder to "get" you.
> ------------------------------------
> - Don't buy a woman any gifts, flowers, jewelry, etc. EVER. Perhaps
> you can buy her flowers on your first wedding anniversary. Whatever
> you buy sets the bar for all future expectations she'll have. It's
> better to have her whine about you never having bought her flowers,
> than having her whine about how you don't buy her as much crap as you
> used to. That way, when you do it, it's more appreciated. American
> women somehow feel entitled to something for nothing. Take the
> attitude that they should have to deserve what they get, and if they
> don't, kick 'em to the curb. They'll take, take, take as much as they
> can if you allow it.
>
> Is it any wonder why God shaped the vagina like a purse?
>
> ------------------------------------
> - Don't leave the toilet seat down if you don't have to. I'm sure she
> evokes the rules of equality only when it benefits her, but does an
> immediate about-face when it's a traditional "courtesy" that men do
> for women. And don't fall for that positive reinforcement crap that
> they do by saying how much of a "gentleman" or "real man" you are to
> do these acts for her benefit. It's an emotional device women have
> been using forever to manipulate men for their designs. When they
> start telling you something is the gentlemanly thing to do, do the
> opposite. Don't let her dictate the rules to you. (Just remember that
> anytime a woman tries to tell you what a "real man" or a "gentleman"
> would do, it's ALWAYS some self-serving definition that has nothing to
> do with being a real man. It's just a rationale for how you can better
> serve her.)
> ------------------------------------
> - Never compliment her. And if you do compliment her, give her the
> backhanded compliments (example, if she asks if she's fat, etc., just
> tell her, "but I like a woman with some meat on her bones. / if she
> mentions her boob size, say "but I like women with small boobs. More
> than a handful is too much" / "You know, you look nice, but if you
> worked out and toned up some and got rid of the flab on your arms and
> legs, you'd look really nice").
>
> It's the perfect crime because they can't be mad at you for
> complimenting them. American women are the most unappreciative
> creatures on earth. Compliments only make her think that "if this guy
> thinks I'm pretty, then imagine what better kind of guy I can get".
> Never let her self-esteem get too high. You want to keep it low so
> that she'll even sleep with YOU.
>
> The greatest part about this is that the better looking the woman, the
> more insecure she is likely to be.
>
> Women have been inundated with "empowering" bullcrap for years, it's
> time to deprogram them.
> ------------------------------------
> - Follow the 3-date-rule. If there is no sex after 3 dates, move on to
> the next one.
>
> Women decide within the first few minutes if they will have sex with
> you and under what terms......lover (right away) or provider (meal
> ticket). If more than a few dates go by (which you spend next to no
> money on) with no sex, get rid of her.
>
> This is very important. If you don't she will either use you for
> gifts, expensive dates etc. or start sizing you up as a long term meal
> ticket (hello, financial and emotional ruin).
> ------------------------------------
> - Always date more than one woman at a time, and if you're not, act as
> if you are. It signals unavailability and your value to the woman. She
> will find you more interesting because you have better things to do
> than just pursue her.
> ------------------------------------
> - NEVER go on a trip to Vegas, the Beach, etc. with a woman with whom
> you're not sleeping thinking you might get laid. You're being used.
> Yeah, you might get lucky, but why take that chance expending so much
> money and time?
> ------------------------------------
> - Women want what they can't have. When you go to a bar, you should
> just walk in and not talk to them. Make them buy you the drink, make
> them buy you dinner. Make them think that you've got something going
> on. You want them to think that you've got better things to do than be
> with them and that they're lucky that you're even wasting your time
> with them when you could be out with other women. NEVER, EVER buy them
> a drink, especially when they're with their friends because then, if
> they're truly detestable whores, they'll use you to buy their friends
> drinks too and then ignore you. Don't give them the satisfaction of
> thinking they're worth your buying them a drink. Women do NOT respect
> chumps.
> ------------------------------------
>
> Only give women what they deserve. American women are the most
> unappreciative creatures on Earth, so they don't often deserve
> anything but a good spanking.
> ------------------------------------
> Never give a woman an opportunity to say "no". Women love to say no to
> men to boost their own egos. They get pleasure from turning men down.
> Learn from salesman. Never ask a question where the answer could be
> no. Give them options (i.e. "what's better Tuesday or Thursday").
> ------------------------------------
> - Don't let them control you with sex. If she has competition, she'll
> work much harder to keep you interested. Ever watch the Bachelor or
> Joe Millionaire? It's the perfect experiment in just how far women go
> when they want a desirable man, who is made more desirable by the fact
> that other women want him and are competing for him. After a while,
> it's not even about the man, it's about the competition and
> validation. Do you think for a minute that those women were in love?
> Hell NO! Women are so self-deceptive that you can't even trust them
> when they tell you they love you, especially when they're benefiting
> greatly from being in the relationship.
>
> This is why marriage with American women is not desirable anymore,
> because it means that they don't have to do anything to keep you
> interested after they've got what they want. They have no more
> incentives. Now they can get fat, cut off all of their hair, have less
> sex with you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>
> It is a power shift, and I would advise any man no to allow any woman
> to have that kind of power over him. Women abuse the rules that
> protect them at an incredible rate, and they're often so f'ed in the
> head that they can dig deep and find some erroneous, illogical,
> irrational justification for it. They just don't have any incentive to
> keep you interested anymore.
>
> Don't let them be the only game in town.
>
> Women use sex as the "loss leader" to get you in the door. It's part
> of the bait & switch strategy that ultimately becomes Marriage. They
> use sex to get you lured in until they have you locked in and have
> control. They don't really want it as much as you anyway. They always
> need an incentive to have sex with you, so why not give them one. Men
> lie to get sex. Women lie to get married. Women will deny this all day
> long.
>
> Feel free to ignore their denials.
> ------------------------------------
>
> - DATE FOREIGN as much as possible. No experience in life will wake
> you up to the fact that American women aged 18-35 are the most
> atrocious, toxic, demanding, unappreciative, contemptuous,
> self-obsessed, self-centered, man-hating, bigoted, lying,
> double-standard following, deluded creatures in the galaxy. Find a
> South American, a Central American, a Southeast Asian, a Philipina -
> and you will see the difference. Some of the women in these countries
> are actually appreciative of the things you do for them.
>
> They actually make you want to do more for them simply because they
> actually deserve it, rather than feel entitled to it and demand it for
> nothing. Some of them actually like sex, enjoy sex, don't make you
> jump through unnecessary hoops for it, and don't use it as a
> bargaining chip. You can actually be honest with them. And because
> some of them come from countries where the men are not pussified,
> feminized, metrosexual nice guys, they actually appreciate men that
> are even semi-nice guys (especially Costa Ricans). You can be the nice
> guy you once were without a problem.
>
> American women just don't really respect men. They think men are
> idiots and should be manipulated and they feel justified in
> manipulating men because they rationalize it through a false sense of
> superiority.
>
> NOTE: These rules do not necessarily have to be applied when dealing
> with foreign women. You can experiment by opening up and being the
> nice, generous, thoughtful, caring man you always were but American
> women hate, don't appreciate and destroy.
> ------------------------------------
>
> - NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER take dating advice from a woman. Some would
> love to tell me what a jerk I am and how wrong I am about this. Well
> tell me this, when you listened to all those female friends who told
> you they liked nice guys who treated them well, and were talking to
> you as a "friend", then chances are they were talking to you about
> that scumbag-jerk they were having sex with? Exactly! I hope you men
> get it. She will steer you the wrong way. The only advice she will
> give is self-serving which makes you a sap if you follow it, and
> hence, you will only be the "nice guy / friend".
>
> Young American women aren't even honest with themselves about what
> they truly want, do you really think they'll be honest with you? How
> do you get honesty from someone that constantly lies to themselves so
> much that they actually believe their own self-deception?
>
> Besides, American women are so often so self-obsessed and
> self-centered that they will only give you dating advice that benefits
> THEM and, in turn, other women.
>
> They have no clue how to actually speak from a man's point of view or
> understand, and really, they don't even care what we men really want.
> They only know their point of view because Oprah and every other
> daytime show tells them that their feelings are of paramount
> importance and the man is just an insensitive, uncaring jerk for not
> pandering to them. They don't care if you get what you want.
>
> They're conditioned to give you the "jump through hoops" approach to
> validate their self-worth. Why do they care if you get what you want
> in the shortest amount of time at the lowest cost? This sense of
> superiority is the basis of the mindset that they use to degrade,
> dehumanize, chastise, criticize, mistreat, abuse and change men. The
> height of arrogance and condescension is a person who feels that you
> need changing and they're the ones who need to change you.
>
> Besides, if your self-esteem is so low that you buy into the fact that
> you're paying for dinner for the pleasure of their company or that the
> woman even mentions that you should pay for the pleasure of her
> company, then you need help. What about the pleasure of YOUR company?
>
> Isn't that worth something?
>
> And if a woman feels that her company is worth something and yours
> isn't, then that's all you need to know before dumping her. What man
> would want to be with a woman who thinks so little of him?
>
> (Still don't believe me? Well, just about any criticism to these
> points will be one that's about not wanting to fulfill a woman's needs
> at the man's own expense. Of course, the part about the man's expense
> is left out when women explain it. Anytime I've made these points to
> women, there was no logical, reasonable retort. The rebuttal would
> always be, "it's just 'nice' of him to pay", or "it's just
> 'gentlemanly'.")
>
> It seems that a lot of men don't even think about asking "what's in it
> for me?" or are conditioned to feel that this is not how they should
> think at all.
>
> Remember, if you're on the sinking ship, she goes first with the
> kiddies while you sink to your watery death, and you're supposed to
> feel good about it because you did something honorable, chivalrous and
> gentlemanly.
>
> Any activity a man commits that is for his sole pleasure and enjoyment
> but runs counter to women's interests, will ALWAYS meet with stiff
> emotional resistance and negative reinforcement from women (minus
> logic and reason, of course. The old time feminists actually
> considered logic and reason to be tools men used to win arguments).
>
> Not because you're doing what's best for you (something women are
> encouraged and applauded for doing) but because you're not doing
> what's best for HER. In womanspeak, a man that does things for HIS OWN
> BENEFIT is often referred to as a "loser". So the next time you're
> called a loser, take it as a compliment.
>
> Ignore what women say and watch what they do.
>
> Or as a friend put it "One more thing...many guys make the mistake of
> listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T
> KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They
> will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually
> RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual
> experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive
> sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed."
>
> Don't ask most married men for advice either.
>
> Misery loves company. So many American men suffer in silence. They
> would love to be able to tell the truth, but are so fearful of what
> their wives would to them and the repercussions therefrom, that they
> remain in a state of quiet misery. It's a good thing they have things
> like sports and beer to keep them numb. They have to live in denial
> because if they actually reflected for a moment on the truth, they'd
> be placing a call to Dr. Kevorkian. Most married American males are
> castrated beyond help.
>
> Their testicles are located in their wives' purses if they ever try to
> find them.
>
> I tell you, I have really begun to develop a healthy level of contempt
> and hate for a lot of the married American men that I meet. They're
> beaten dogs, beaten into submission. They're extremely pathetic
> creatures emotionally beaten down by their shrill, shrieking wives so
> much so, that they have capitulated.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> - Don't date single mothers. Not so much for the fact that they're
> looking for Daddy, but that they already made one mistake, do you
> really want the possibility of giving them a second mistake? You don't
> want to pay for someone else's mistake anyway. Another thing, you
> already know what she's most likely to do if she "accidentally"
> becomes pregnant.
>
>
>
> Of all of the single mothers I once dated (but will never touch again)
> I noticed a common thing, the father was a jerk 90% of the time, yet
> they try to teach their sons to be nice guys who "respect" women and
> put them on a pedestal. And what do these boys become? "Nice guys",
> "friends", guys who have heard "You're like a brother to me" so many
> times they want to puke. They should take a cue from Dad and realize
> that Mom liked jerks, she liked jerks so much that she let this jerk
> (who didn't give a damn about her) impregnate her.
>
> A man should realize that in order to get sex, he needs to be somewhat
> of a jerk to get it. Being a nice guy simply means you'll spend time
> in the bathroom with a copy of FHM while your phone is ringing with a
> call from your female "friend" asking you to help her move because her
> jerk of a boyfriend told her he was busy.
>
> ------------------------------------
> - Do not allow yourself to be a makeover project. Ever wonder why
> makeover shows and fixer-uppers are so popular with women? Because
> they are obsessed with changing things, especially men. They think
> they can change you and make you better. Forget about the arrogance,
> ego and sense of superiority it takes to drive this train of thought,
> just get away. If you're not what they want initially, then the
> logical thing would be to leave you and go somewhere else right? Well,
> not with them! Use it to your advantage. Don't change. Keep them
> challenged.
>
> What do you think the women's movement became in the 1970's and
> beyond? It was a mass movement telling men that they needed to change
> all the while ignoring female accountability.
> They still don't think they need to change. It's still all men's
> fault.
> ------------------------------------
> - When she tells you she needs "romance", run away, far away! When a
> woman uses the excuse that she needs romance in order to have sex with
> you, the relationship is over. It's a cover-up, a lie for her not to
> admit that she just doesn't like sex with you or that you can't
> satisfy her. It could also mean that she just doesn't like sex at all.
> If the sex were that good, she wouldn't need romance. If Brad Pitt
> walked up on her naked, she sure wouldn't need romance. I'll bet that
> one-night-stand she had in Cancun/Greece/other foreign country (where
> no one would know what she did) didn't involve romance. Maybe just
> substitute "Jagermeister" for "Romance", that should put her in the
> mood.
>
> Besides, 99% of the time, having romance means "spending inordinate
> amounts of money" to validate her worth. Too much work! Just dump her
> and get a whore. At least the whore leaves you alone and doesn't
> subject you to her incessant blabbering once she gets paid.
> When a woman orgasms, it has little to do with what the man is doing
> to her and mostly to do with what she is doing, inside her head.
>
> A woman can easily orgasm with any man she chooses to. If the woman
> you are with isn't orgasming, it's because she CHOOSES to see you as
> someone who isn't sexually stimulating, hence the need for "romance".
> It is EXTREMELY important to understand that (within limits) how
> sexual you appear toward a woman isn't under your direct control. You
> can slim down, lift weights and even get cosmetic surgery and she
> won't be attracted.
>
> She will, temporarily, be attracted to a guy who makes himself
> unavailable. And she definitely will be attracted if you make yourself
> inappropriate in some way (leather jackets, tattoos, earrings and
> other bad boy image stuff are favorites).
>
> Part of this is the hilarious situation that often a woman you barely
> know, orgasms like a banshee at the slightest stimulation, and then
> becomes completely frigid later on in the relationship. Often they
> will try to mask this as "issues with intimacy". But what is really
> going on here, is she is purposefully shutting down her own sexual
> impulses, because she no longer thinks she needs to please you
> anymore.
>
> This isn't true with men. A woman who makes herself look in certain
> stereotypical ways, will make herself generically attractive to all
> men. And a woman who screws you with ardor and skill, will definitely
> make you orgasm.
>
> The point here is frigidity in women is a big warning sign. It is
> intentional, passive aggressive behavior that is just a part of the
> bigger issue of disrespect. If a woman starts having "sexual problems"
> like this, dump her immediately, for two reasons. The next one won't
> (ie, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you are fucking
> her). AND, the woman you just dumped, seems to have no problem
> orgasming with the biker/meth dealer living next door (even though, he
> is so drugged out of his mind, he can barely get it up).
> ------------------------------------
> - Always make sure that you are either already successful or firmly
> set on the path to your success in your career endeavors before you
> actually commit to a woman. Women are dream killers. They will kill
> all of the hopes, plans, and dreams that you have, because once
> they're with you, their needs come first. They won't tell you this
> up-front, they'll simply emotionally abuse you into this position. If
> you work too much to pay for her overspending, she'll get mad at you
> for not spending enough time with her.
>
> If you work too little or don't make enough money to your full
> potential, she'll bash you relentlessly for not being ambitious or for
> just simply being a loser. You can't win. It only matters if her needs
> are satisfied and quite often, they'll change the agenda just to
> either test you or suit their needs.
>
> So many American women are so spoiled these days that they just don't
> understand sacrifice. How many would sacrifice living in a house they
> can afford for a studio apartment so that the excess money could be
> used to invest or make more money?
>
> They would rather meet a man who has already made the sacrifices to be
> successful. It's better that you take the risks and make the
> sacrifices it takes to be truly successful (if that's your goal)
> before you settle down. Shit, don't settle down with an American woman
> at all, keep your money!
>
> American women will act as if they care about your needs only to the
> extent that their own needs are already taken care of.
> Women need to realize that self-sacrifice is a male trait, something
> for which we're biologically wired.
>
> That's why we do the heavy lifting, fight the wars, die first, jump in
> front of bullets to save them, let them off the sinking ship first, do
> the worst, most dangerous jobs, so chivalrous acts to benefit them
> that in no way benefit us, etc.. Women need to learn self-sacrifice
> and unlearn selfishness. Unfortunately, feminism took away the things
> that governed and limited female selfishness and self-centeredness.
>
> That is why the "ME society" began.
>
> Feminism taught American (Westernized) women that any selfless act
> they do for men is "oppression". They have been conditioned to think
> that doing any little thing for a man makes them a "slave".
>
>
> Do not give into her HINTS. Even if you somehow have the magical,
> miracle power of being able to pick up on her hints, don't. Just wait
> until she says what she wants up front. We men are not mind-readers,
> and honestly, we don't care enough after a while to try to decipher
> your stupid code. And if you give us crap for not being psychic, I
> have no problem telling you to "FUCK OFF".
>
> I will tell you up front to ask me or tell me what you want, it's that
> simple. And if you don't want to follow that simple rule, find another
> punching bag. This hinting is nothing but an intentional set-up just
> so she can bitch at you for not being able to figure her out. Anyone
> who does that needs serious help and has zero respect for you.
> I mean, really. With all the inane, unimportant, incessant blabbering
> women dole out on a daily basis, would anyone really expect men to be
> able to filter through all of that crap to try to miraculously figure
> out what they want?
> ------------------------------------
>
> - No hugging, no cuddling, no spooning - get it and get out.
>
> ------------------------------------
> - Nice guys finish last. Yeah, this may be construed as true, but do
> you really want to finish last, and is it really all it's cracked up
> to be? When you're with a woman that wants to settle down with you,
> and she's dated a lot of jerks in the past but now she wants to be
> with you because you're nice and treat her well. Here's what they're
> telling you stealthily, "I'm sick of dating guys who make me so hot
> that I practically want to rip my clothes off for them. I'm ready for
> a nice guy who treats me well, even though he's not all that sexually
> attractive to me." "Besides, I'm sick of spreading my legs and being a
> complete slut, now I just want to settle down with a sperm donor,
> wallet and doormat whose testicles will fit nicely on my mantle."
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> The criticisms you get are not about how wrong I am, but about how
> women are justified in behaving this way because men are so bad, a
> sort of revenge, not a rational, equitable solution. Well, I'm telling
> the truth then yet women will constantly try to rationalize their
> evil. If they're not willing to change themselves for the better, then
> why the hell should they expect us to?
>
> The true reason why they want men to initiate contact is because
> they're too afraid to do it themselves. They're more afraid of
> rejection than us. They wouldn't admit it though, they'd rather hide
> behind the "old-fashioned", "traditional" way of a man approaching the
> woman. This way, their fragile female egos remain intact and they have
> a wonderfully convenient rationalization to boot. Yep, as much as they
> love to talk about our fragile egos, they've got them too, but can't
> admit it lest they abdicate their sense of superiority.
>
> Yeah, it takes a lot of guts for a man to approach a woman. Just
> remember that when that gutless, yellow-bellied, spineless,
> chickenshit whore tries to rationalize not asking a man out.
>
> Women try to force men to accept their extremely self-centered,
> self-absorbed, self-obsessed, erroneous worldview, and when we don't,
> they demonize us for it.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - You want to know why we don't talk? Because you don't listen and
> would rather not hear what we have to say anyway. And even after we've
> said how we feel honestly, you'll rip into us for being insensitive
> jerks and turn the conversation back towards yourselves and how your
> feelings are so important. And guess what happens, we shut down
> because we don't want to hear your shrill, shrieking voices anymore.
>
> Like you said, It just depends on who you want to be - Mr. Nice Guy,
> i.e. Mr. Reliable who's not necessarily a big turn-on or Mr.
> Money/Muscles/Power/Fame who really gets her hot sexually, is
> unpredictable, unreliable, doesn't really give a crap about her, and
> indulges her need to "get" him. This is why the pursuit of someone
> that will satisfy you sexually, isn't necessarily a good choice for a
> lifetime partner. Quite often there is conflict, because the sexual
> buzz lasts for a limited time.
>
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
> Because in America, you cannot be who you are without hating what you
> are not.
>
>
Classic. Am I crying or what?
--
"Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?" -SeaLab2021
"There is no way out of here." -Manos IV: Torgo Goes To Baghdad.
Your Grandpappy
"> (edit)
> >
> > I'm reminded of the character "Edith Bunker" from All
> > in the Family. Of course, towards the end of the series,
> > it became necessary to make her politically correct
> > and stand up to the evil, stupid, (and of course,
> > conservative) Archie Bunker. But for most of the
> > series, she was always pleasant and happy no matter
> > how abusive or demeaning Archie treated her.
> > At some level, she knew that her "stupidity" Archie
> > Bunker pointed out about her made him happy and she
> > found pleasure in this.
>
> The man who played Archie was, in real life, a flaming liberal.
He was a dickhead in real life and the show was idiotic taken from Till
Death Do Us Part.
And he
> loved the characters Archie and Edith because they represented
> uneducated America, prior to the time when people had a greater respect
> for education.
Maybe where you're from.
> In fact, Archie sent his own daughter to college, where she met
> 'meathead'. :-) Archie and Edith were typical of 50ish style parents
> who were not intune with what was happening in the world,
Right. No one knew anything till you were born lol Perhaps they were less
brainwashed by junk feminastie TV and girly magazines like Cosmo.
but had very
> definate opinions about it. :-)
Hey, just like YOU. YOU know nothing of the world but have a lot to say
haha
As to whether or not Edith was
> "happy" that Archie was an abusive asshole
But he wasn't abusive.
isn't relevant since they
> were fictional characters. But one way to answer that question is to,
> perhaps, put yourself in the shoes of the character.
> >
> > On the other hand, how many modern day female Archie
> > Bunkers love and enjoy the P-whipped guys they're
> > surrounded by?
>
> ????? I don't know any female Archie Bunkers.
C'mon your "girlfriends" would love a guy like Archie. Actually, ANY guy lol
I guess we travel in
> different circles. Most women I know would be relieved they didn't
> have to marry someone like Archie.
Have to marry? They still have shotgun weddings in Podunk?
>
> There's certainly no shortage > of such men. Why aren't all of these
> women happily settled down with such men instead of usually single
> > mothers or spinsters?
> >
> You can answer your own question simply by looking at the high divorce
> rate, I suppose.
The fact that 1/2 the people can stay married is amazing since marriage is
basically an unnatural state.
>
> > regards,
> > Mark Sobolewski
>
Your Grandpappy
"Frederick Jerome" <ni...@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:kdgd319ah1hmhj6u3...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:11:54 -0800, Hardpan <har...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >THE RULES
> >
>
> If your 're tall, well build and handsome and are possessed of a don't
> give a fuck attitude, you'll fuck yourself silly. I had a buddy like
> this and my son has one today. My son's friend is as dumb as a bag of
> hammers and as useless as tits on a boar, but women throw themselves
> at him begging him to fuck them.
I know the feeling.
>
> Women are primitive pigs. They want a champion not a decent guy. The
> key to getting laid is to pass yourself off as a champion. My 5'6"
> 130lb friend was a "virgin." He spent 2 years of frenzied working out
> and gained 35lbs of muscle. At 165 and with not an once of fat, he
> exuded muscularity. He began to fuck himself silly.
But yet a guy my size, 6', can just have an average physique and fuck girls
silly. Your friend could only fuck himself silly :o)
>
> The "rules" may help but handsome physical dominance is the only sure
> way to get laid. Money can "buy" you women, but only good looks and a
> great body will impel women to want to fuck you. Moron bush league
> sports players will always outfuck Mensa members.
Not if the Mensa member is tall,dark and handsome.
Women are primitive
> pigs. Without men intervening to prevent it, women will breed with the
> troglodyte not the intelligent, civilized man.
I don't agree. Dominance was always governed by intelligence.
ci+
>>>That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
the usual, to make money? :>
>>Have you even read it?
>
> My sister did (I only read reviews, interviews, etc. about it). She
> used it, too. It worked! Weirded me out.
on who(m)?
>I didn't think it was an
> honest approach.
--
Somewhere out there, a giant is missing a shoe
http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/images/shoe_12917.jpg
12 May 1966 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1673/DeborahKar_Vespa_635770_400.jpg
28 October 1963 http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1196/LaurenHolly_Granitz_189251.jpg http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/0826-
van/hollylau.ren
c. 1961 http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1739/HilaryShep_Kahn_721381_400.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1409/DianeLane_Ausse_390729_400.jpg shall we dance?
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/0901-per/lanegeor.ge4
59 http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/2813/MackenzieP_McCar_4275597_400.jpg uh!
http://et.tv.yahoo.com/tv/2005/02/02/mackenziephillips_sculptra/
kate
>themselves - or bitterness by men aimed at women, at other men or at
>themselves -- it's always sad.
I think it's generally boring. And I strongly suspect that there are
only one or two guys posting this stuff through a huge number of sock
puppets. When one guy uses two or three of his socks to support his oft
repeated and never varying message, it's not sad, it's pathological.
Kate
kate
>>Ellen Fein, Sherrie Schneider? This book set the ball rolling by
promising
>>to
>>teach women the power-play needed to snag a man. Or were you less
>>saddened
>>by that ?
>That book is a piece of crap, too. So why sink to their level?
Who even bothered to read that thing? Jeeze - talk about a person with
dull tastes!
There is another pathologically-posting dweeb who posts here who reads
Cosmo and watches soap operas and draws his opinions about women and
the world from THAT!
Kate