darwinism
weteyes
I alternate back and forth from the shyness line to the loneliness
line. I hope that is allowed. Do you want to know why we are lonely?
Because for every winner there has to be a loser-and we're just being
polite and making room for the winners. I expect someday I will
receive thank-you cards in gratitude from all the winners out
there.As W.S. Gilbert said. "When everyone is somebody; then no one is
anybody." Amen.
Eleonore Beaudoin
The way I look at it, each and everyone of us is a winner.
We all came to life, and for that, we all need be issued from one winning
spermatozoid that found to beat millions of others trying to win as well.
Perhaps we should send a million thank you notes to all the million others
who lost...?;-)
Each and everyone of them would have killed to be in ur future shoes, no
matter how we might figure our life turns out to be....
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On Oct 28, 9:26 am, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
> wrote:
>> We all came to life, and for that, we all need be issued from one winning
>> spermatozoid that found to beat millions of others trying to win as well.
>>
>> Perhaps we should send a million thank you notes to all the million others
>> who lost...?;-)
>>
>> Each and everyone of them would have killed to be in ur future shoes, no
>> matter how we might figure our life turns out to be....
>
>
> None of us, should ever feel less than anyone else, we are all here
> for a reason - even if we have no clue as to what the reason is
> sometimes.
>
> J
>
We never know: every second of one's life impact on the continuum of the
universe. Change oen second in time and nothing can follow as it would
have before. In that, we ll shape each other's place in the universe, and
the so called winner is just winning because we all lived the frqctions of
secnds we did: without each and every single one fo us, they nevr woudl
have gotten there in the first place.
Perhaps, who knows;-)...perhaps we chose before we come here what lil
impact of nothing we havein what lil seemingly insignificant role....
When we see movies where people time travel t the past, they always
mention how nothign shoudl be ltered by their experience, to not affect th
time line. Well, we create the time line as we go, and if one of us ends
his or her life before its due time, then the entire universe gets affected.
Just imagine what woudl have happened if another spermatozoid would have
won rther than the one that gave you life (or me or anyoen else for
that matter). The possibilities are infinitely huge, and so would the
impact be, then.
Or think of this: it took gazillions of winning spermatoizoids of many
many gnerations so that the next is born. That is way higher odds than any
possible lottery on earth! And WE landed the jack pot. Now w can sit on t,
do somethign with it, or just live our lil pecefeul life...But no matter
what, w all shape Time in a n equally important way. Remove one, and all
the material of time and space is affected.
We all more than matter: we ARE the matter.
C
Carl P
"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Yes Chloe, We are the few percent that are not dark matter. And it is
matter that
we cannot see, but yet is there. Imagine if the space time continuum were to
bend,
what effect would it have on the rest of us? Would we ever know?
Carl
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On Oct 28, 2:11 pm, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
> wrote:
>> Jonezi (fx...@yahoo.com) writes:
>> > On Oct 28, 9:26 am, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
>> > wrote:
>> >> weteyes (mbuls...@hotmail.com) writes:
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I agree with you, that what we do now impacts our future I find this
> all really interesting, because I don't believe in coincidence - just
> that we are given a number of things to choose from that shape our
> destiny.
>
> Did you know, that there are some spiritual beliefs, that say the soul
> chooses it's existence. If this is true, then we chose our lives,
> good or bad, before our births so that we would have a maximum effect
> upon the collective energies of the universe. Every life we live is a
> lesson our soul needs/wants to learn, for the good of the all.
>
> Thus, our reason for being here.
>
> J
I did not know that a religion or Belief had it that we chose our life
pattern or events.
However,. I often thought that if God is a loving God, it is the only way
it could be....An imposed life would not be reconciliable (Engl?) with > >
a loving God.
Eleonore Beaudoin
I think it already has, and that that gave way to the 4% matter that is
not the dark (or was it black, again? Argh..me and memory:)) matter.
Or often I think of it in these terms: everyone is looking for the fourth
dimension. But the fourth dimension coudl be exactly not a fourth, but all
of them together, i.e. time and space no lnger being restrictive in any
way or shape. Therefore we woudl be instantly without mass, woudl be all
knwoledgeable, just as God is. In other words, if we got there, we woudl
just reversewhatever happened that bent the time and space continuum and
gave us the ''universe''as we know it, i.e. the lil 4% that this bend in
time and space gave wat to that became material.If we revert4ed that,.
what woudl we then be? A-material. Not limited by timeand space, etc...
Therefore we woudl so to speak ''meet God' eye''.
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On Oct 28, 3:30 pm, "Carl P" <carlp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fg2jbu$ou7$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Jonezi (fx...@yahoo.com) writes:
>> >> On Oct 28, 9:26 am, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> weteyes (mbuls...@hotmail.com) writes:
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> at managing it, because that's all we've ever had to work with. Life
> has never been easy, and we work with what we are given to make the
> best of things, rather than sit and feel sorry for ourselves.
>
> I know, that if I don't work to accomplish something, whether it be a
> task at hand, or soul work, there is nothing that will just hand me
> what I want - I must earn it, and I have been given the material and
> resources to do the whatever it is I need to do.
>
> I see it as being a realist and some of us are better at it than
> others, and we need to be here to balance it all out.
>
> J
>
I think we are here to be happy....
Each and everyone deep down inside does all they do to be happy, after
all, as if it was some encoded thing in each f us.
However, most of us seem to have a very odd way to go about it. It is
soemthign that is not taught in schools and rarely istalked about in
families, save as a wish offered: ''I wish you happiness til the end of
your life!''. But then they do not hand the recipe with it, do they!:)
The old saying''If youth knew; if old age could...'' pretty much says that
as old people look behind, they suddenly realize what was the key to
happiness and hwo they passed it by, or lived it without having the full
awareness of it. Living all their lives aiming at happiness, and only when
they are elderly, for most of us, realizing they had it right under their
fingers all that time....
The joy of being able to appreciate the simple fact of walking, of
sleeping without pain, of being able to eat whatever we pelase, etc, etc.
The simple things taken for granted that make the quality of life and made
it worth living for leaving so many doors opened to so many possibilities
of experiences.
As for dark matter, what Carl and I ment was not the dark force as in
movies, but the fact that sience says that with all known celestial bodies
and energies, the total of it all does not add up to howcme those planets
and celestial bodies stay in place: in other words, only 4% of what force
is needed to keep them going is known, and that elaves 96% unaccounted
for, missing in action. Or to put it this way, 96% of what makes the
unverse be as it is is invisible and completely unknown. Many scientiss
are tryign to come up with theories asto how and what coudl the 96% be
made of. For lack of a better word they then refer to the ''missing'' 96%
as ''dark matter''.
I rather think we are the very lucky 4% who somehow got propuled in this
time and spacedimension, in three D, and the lucky very very few thatc an
experiment this life as we know it, as limited in time as it is exactly
for being linear (vs say 4th or nth diomension or a-diemsnional, and hat
we exactly do not measure how ever so lucky we are. If I was part of the
9%, Iprobably woudl spend my days watchign teh lives of the 4% like we
here watch tv, just out of dreaming of hwo fantastic a voyage it must
be....I would in their shoes try and imagine hwo it feels to fel things,
to occupy time and space and have one's own space and material body, and
one's own timeline.
It must be a concept really hard to grasp fr its different reality to
'''someone'' (no individual could be in the 9% since it woudl not share
the linear timeline that we know) from the 96% ''unknown''...
C
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On Oct 28, 5:04 pm, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
> wrote:
>> Jonezi (fx...@yahoo.com) writes:
>> > On Oct 28, 2:11 pm, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
>> > wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 28, 9:26 am, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> weteyes (mbuls...@hotmail.com) writes:
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > all really interesting, because I don't believe in coincidence - just
>> > that we are given a number of things to choose from that shape our
>> > destiny.
>>
>> > Did you know, that there are some spiritual beliefs, that say the soul
>> > chooses it's existence. If this is true, then we chose our lives,
>> > good or bad, before our births so that we would have a maximum effect
>> > upon the collective energies of the universe. Every life we live is a
>> > lesson our soul needs/wants to learn, for the good of the all.
>>
>> > Thus, our reason for being here.
>>
>> > J
>>
>> I did not know that a religion or Belief had it that we chose our life
>> pattern or events.
>> However,. I often thought that if God is a loving God, it is the only way
>> it could be....An imposed life would not be reconciliable (Engl?) with > >
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Force, based on Chaos Energy, that requires balance in all things. I
> have a dark perspective towards life, but it keeps me sane. If I can
> say one positive thing about it all, it would be to say that it has
> all make me a strong and resourceful woman. What can I do with this?
> What purpose, does my Life serve? What wisdom have I gained from 40+
> years of experiences that can be applied to any given situation?
> This is how I've learned to cope with the far more frequent darkness.
>
>
> It's what I was given to work with from that Force.
>
> J
>
Is it not funny, in a way, how each time soemone reads the word ÔÔGod'',
they read it as being the God the ''other'' means, i.e. nto their own. As
if they instantly decide that they do not share the same beliefs and so on.
For isnatnce, ''you'' (or anyone lse that read this) read me writign th
word ÔGod'' and immediately you differenciate and calrify your beliefs,
sayign you ahve a difficulty with ''God'', but then go on to pretty much
define God as you conceive ''it''to be...without knowing what I or others
conceive it as...I.e. we alls eem to tend to do tha. Or most of us anyway:
to look for differences rather than for what is similar. To seperate
rather than encompass....
perhaps who knows;-)...That is what we are here to learn.
That our so called differences are only similitudes diffirently
expressed....;-)
Salamander
>
> Yes Chloe, We are the few percent that are not dark matter. And it is
> matter that
> we cannot see, but yet is there. Imagine if the space time continuum
> were to bend,
> what effect would it have on the rest of us? Would we ever know?
>
> Carl
I hate to be one of those annoying types but science/astronomy is one of
the things I like very much and I have trouble standing by when terms
aren't used correctly.
Dark matter is an astronomical term used to explain the behaviour of
galaxies and other significantly large clusters of matter. Basically,
with the amount of matter we can see, galaxies shouldn't behave the way
they do... the easiest explanation for this is that there is a large
amount of matter that doesn't emit or reflect enough electro-magnetic
radiation to be observed directly (we can observe it indirectly by the
gravitational influence it has on distant objects). This is "dark matter".
It does not refer to some invisible matter that surrounds us in
every-day life.
Thanks.
Salamander
>
> Thank you - I appreciate the clarification.
>
> J
>
I hate being a wet blanket and I do apologise. It's just an unfortunate
feature of my personality. Thank you for being so graceful around my
boorish behaviour.
I guess I like my science and my philosophy to be separate. Both are
equally valid realms of thought to pursue but blending them rarely does
either any favours. There is an unfortunate trend in a lot of New Age
philosophy/spirituality to include some toe-curlingly bad
interpretations of science (aka pseudo-science) to try and make certain
beliefs more palatable (it isn't just the New Agers either...
Creationists are my nemesis).
Bill Shroyer
Beaudoin) wrote:
> weteyes (mbul...@hotmail.com) writes:
> > Here I am-back on the Loneliness chat-line after 15 hours.You'll find
> > I alternate back and forth from the shyness line to the loneliness
> > line. I hope that is allowed. Do you want to know why we are lonely?
> > Because for every winner there has to be a loser-and we're just being
> > polite and making room for the winners. I expect someday I will
> > receive thank-you cards in gratitude from all the winners out
> > there.As W.S. Gilbert said. "When everyone is somebody; then no one is
> > anybody." Amen.
> >
>
>
> The way I look at it, each and everyone of us is a winner.
The way I look at it, each and every one of us is responsible for
whether or not we perceive ourselves as winners. ;-) If someone
perceives themselves to be a loser, I must agree with them, as to me,
the status of being a winner or a loser is entirely self-selected.
> We all came to life, and for that, we all need be issued from one winning
> spermatozoid that found to beat millions of others trying to win as well.
Sometimes two, even three - have you heard the latest about human
chimerism? Spooky, ooky stuff! :-# If you happened to be a human
chimeral, you could give birth to a child and have them do DNA testing
on it even before it's out of the womb, and the results would indicate
the child could not possibly be yours - it would register as being
only as related to you as a niece or nephew, but not your own.
> Perhaps we should send a million thank you notes to all the million others
> who lost...?;-)
>
> Each and everyone of them would have killed to be in ur future shoes, no
> matter how we might figure our life turns out to be....
I may have missed it, but you don't happen to be talking about the
Packers, do you?
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On Oct 29, 6:53 am, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
> wrote:
>> Jonezi (fx...@yahoo.com) writes:
>> > On Oct 28, 5:04 pm, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
>> > wrote:
>> >> Jonezi (fx...@yahoo.com) writes:
>> >> > On Oct 28, 2:11 pm, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin)
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Jonezi (fx...@yahoo.com) writes:
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> weteyes (mbuls...@hotmail.com) writes:
>> >> >> >> > Here I am-back on the Loneliness chat-line after 15 hours.You'=
> ll find
>> >> >> >> > I alternate back and forth from the shyness line to the loneli=
> ness
>> >> >> >> > line. I hope that is allowed. Do you want to know why we are =
> lonely?
>> >> >> >> > Because for every winner there has to be a loser-and we're jus=
> t being
>> >> >> >> > polite and making room for the winners. I expect someday I will
>> >> >> >> > receive thank-you cards in gratitude from all the winners out
> o one is
>> >> >> >> > anybody." Amen.
>>
>> >> >> >> The way I look at it, each and everyone of us is a winner.
> e winning
>> >> >> >> spermatozoid that found to beat millions of others trying to win=
> as well.
>>
>> >> >> >> Perhaps we should send a million thank you notes to all the mill=
> ion others
>> >> >> >> who lost...?;-)
>>
> hoes, no
>> >> >> >> matter how we might figure our life turns out to be....
>>
>>
> re
>> >> >> > for a reason - even if we have no clue as to what the reason is
>> >> >> > sometimes.
>>
>> >> >> > J
>>
> f the
>> >> >> universe. Change oen second in time and nothing can follow as it wo=
> uld
>> >> >> have before. In that, we ll shape each other's place in the univers=
> e, and
>> >> >> the so called winner is just winning because we all lived the frqct=
> ions of
>> >> >> secnds we did: without each and every single one fo us, they nevr w=
> oudl
>> >> >> have gotten there in the first place.
>>
> il
>> >> >> impact of nothing we havein what lil seemingly insignificant role..=
> .=2E
>>
>> >> >> When we see movies where people time travel t the past, they always
> fect th
>> >> >> time line. Well, we create the time line as we go, and if one of us=
> ends
>> >> >> his or her life before its due time, then the entire universe gets =
> affected.
>>
>> >> >> Just imagine what woudl have happened if another spermatozoid would=
> have
>> >> >> won rther than the one that gave you life (or me or anyoen else for
> he
>> >> >> impact be, then.
>>
>> >> >> Or think of this: it took gazillions of winning spermatoizoids of m=
> any
>> >> >> many gnerations so that the next is born. That is way higher odds t=
> han any
>> >> >> possible lottery on earth! And WE landed the jack pot. Now w can si=
> t on t,
>> >> >> do somethign with it, or just live our lil pecefeul life...But no m=
> atter
>> >> >> what, w all shape Time in a n equally important way. Remove one, an=
> d all
>> >> >> the material of time and space is affected.
>>
>> >> >> We all more than matter: we ARE the matter.
>>
>> >> >> C- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > I agree with you, that what we do now impacts our future I find this
>> >> > all really interesting, because I don't believe in coincidence - just
>> >> > that we are given a number of things to choose from that shape our
>> >> > destiny.
>>
> ul
>> >> > chooses it's existence. If this is true, then we chose our lives,
>> >> > good or bad, before our births so that we would have a maximum effect
> a
>> >> > lesson our soul needs/wants to learn, for the good of the all.
>>
>> >> > Thus, our reason for being here.
>>
>> >> > J
>>
>> >> I did not know that a religion or Belief had it that we chose our life
>> >> pattern or events.
> way
>> >> it could be....An imposed life would not be reconciliable (Engl?) wit=
> h > >
>> >> a loving God.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > I have a hard time with "God" in that regard, but I do believe in a
>> > Force, based on Chaos Energy, that requires balance in all things. I
>> > have a dark perspective towards life, but it keeps me sane. If I can
>> > say one positive thing about it all, it would be to say that it has
>> > all make me a strong and resourceful woman. What can I do with this?
>> > What purpose, does my Life serve? What wisdom have I gained from 40+
>> > years of experiences that can be applied to any given situation?
>> > This is how I've learned to cope with the far more frequent darkness.
>>
>> > It's what I was given to work with from that Force.
>>
>> > J
>>
> '',
>> they read it as being the God the ''other'' means, i.e. nto their own. As
> n=2E
>> For isnatnce, ''you'' (or anyone lse that read this) read me writign th
>> sayign you ahve a difficulty with ''God'', but then go on to pretty much
>> define God as you conceive ''it''to be...without knowing what I or others
>> conceive it as...I.e. we alls eem to tend to do tha. Or most of us anyway:
>> to look for differences rather than for what is similar. To seperate
>> rather than encompass....
>>
>> perhaps who knows;-)...That is what we are here to learn.
>> That our so called differences are only similitudes diffirently
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> The differences in the god-thought, come from our life experiences. I
> go into auto-defense mode, the minute that I hear a Christian concept
> of God, because I personally feel, that the God of my Catholic
> upbringing failed me. Yet, I can't be an atheist, and believe in just
> the physical/material realm of this existence, being the only
> existence. This would strip all meaning to my life. So I just put
> the god-thought into something I can grasp. I t gives me the
> strength and power I need to live, just as your concepts of a god-
> thought give you what you need. I think we are all looking for that
> Astral Plane/4th Dimension/ Nirvana, where we can finally find that
> inner peace. Some of us have found it, some are still looking, and
> sadly, there are those who will never find it at all.
>
> J
>
Yes. Then again, all and each of us always perceiving and grasping or
''prehensing'' the world through their own abilities,. even christians
(and any other denominational compartmntalizing word of the kind) go by
what they can grasp.
I think that religions should be seen and said to be a step towards
spoirituality, a means, and not the end. There are of course many other
means, including the ignorance of any existing religion, at the limit,
while yet living life and wondering f there is ''more'' ''beyond'', simply.
Dunno why you thought of a catholic God reafding the word God. But I find
funny how poeple often make a mental compartmentalization or other
''differenciating'' when they read r ehar the word, without knowing what
the other means by the word (if the person using it has any clear idea
themself to start with!:)). Perhaps this is why talking about religion
--or even just using the word ''God'') makes it so touchy a subject:
immediately people become defensive, which is a bit odd when we stop to
think of it, since no matetr what religion, save maybe satanism -and even
there, not sure- have peace and harmony as common ideals....
C
Eleonore Beaudoin
Huh?...? What is that all abut?
I am lost enough learnign that parents that are AB and B can apparently
have an O+ child, which just does not equate in my mind.....Since we were
taught in hisghchool hey coudl not:).
What is this new thing about? A way for parents of a child made in the
dark to make ther kid believe they are theirs (both parents'?) r what???
>
>> Perhaps we should send a million thank you notes to all the million others
>> who lost...?;-)
>>
>> Each and everyone of them would have killed to be in ur future shoes, no
>> matter how we might figure our life turns out to be....
>
> I may have missed it, but you don't happen to be talking about the
> Packers, do you?
Kiceca, the Packers? Are they related t the Dickens?;-):):)
Bill Shroyer
Beaudoin) wrote:
It's a fascinating thing, actually. Sometimes when twins begin
forming in the womb, one twin will absorb the other and they fuse into
a single person. If the twins happen to be fraternal, the child that
is born will have both sets of genes - not in each cell, but some
cells in one part of the body will have all the genes of one of the
twins, and the cells in another part of the body will have the genes
of the other. So you have one person who should actually have been
two. If the cells that formed your reproductive organs came from one
twin, but the cells they tested paternity on came from another, the
child will register as not being yours, but that of one of the two
people you should have been, neither of which exists today because you
"ate" them both. ;-)
Most such people should be male from what I can tell, because if
either egg has the "Y" chromosome, that will be enough to make the
resulting person male even if the other set of genes was supposed to
be a female. You know, "X + X = Female", "X + Y = Male", "Y + Y =
Male" and "Y + X = Male". I'm not real sure how they do paternity
tests for determining the father, but if they use a sample of sperm,
then male chimeras would not be detectable in this manner.
There are other ways for chimeras to arise, as well. Sometimes, when
you get a blood transfusion, some of the donor's cells can actually
settle into your marrow and produce new cells. This came up in a
crime group I read, the possibilities for getting away with crime
would be limitless if you knew you actually had this condition. You
could be a burly 50 year old white guy and leave a drop of blood at a
crime scene, and they'd end up looking for an Asian female (or
whatever race/gender that donated your transfusion). Screwy, huh?
Eleonore Beaudoin
Hm...Sounds like one opf those farfetched explanations they coudl come up
with if they had done a goof with dna testing and id, to not gt their lab
closed down.
But yeah, more and more doubts are raised about dna, mainly because often
the tests give wrogn results, simply.
This thing about one supposed twin absorbing the other....
In miscarraiages, in a high percentage, it is usually boys that die/stop
developping. Apparently the big reason woudl be ebcause their brain and
gender forms in the same motnh, while the female embryo ''stays
female''-no big sex change there.
Of course from there, one -me- coudl claim that that explains why men
soemtimes think with the wrong head: sleftovers from the big confusion in
their third to fourth month of embryotic development:):)
(Ducks:))
Bill Shroyer
Beaudoin) wrote:
> Bill Shroyer (BillS...@Pittsburgh.com) writes:
<snip "human chimerism">
> Hm...Sounds like one opf those farfetched explanations they coudl come up
> with if they had done a goof with dna testing and id, to not gt their lab
> closed down.
LoL! :-) I know what you mean, though it is a conclusively
established phenomenon. If one lab made a claim like that for
self-preservation, it would be easy enough for another lab to refute
it.
> But yeah, more and more doubts are raised about dna, mainly because often
> the tests give wrogn results, simply.
>
> This thing about one supposed twin absorbing the other....
Sometimes siamese twins are the result of this process. No relevance,
just an interesting fact I thought I'd throw in free of charge. ;-)
> In miscarraiages, in a high percentage, it is usually boys that die/stop
> developping. Apparently the big reason woudl be ebcause their brain and
> gender forms in the same motnh, while the female embryo ''stays
> female''-no big sex change there.
Yup - we all start out as females, essentially, and some either change
into males or they don't. The really interesting ones to me are those
who are genetically male, but came out anatomically female. They tend
to be some of the most beautiful women in the world, and most never
even realize that they're genetically male until they find themselves
unable to conceive.
> Of course from there, one -me- coudl claim that that explains why men
> soemtimes think with the wrong head: sleftovers from the big confusion in
> their third to fourth month of embryotic development:):)
>
> (Ducks:))
<quack> ;-)
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On 31 Oct 2007 00:21:03 GMT, bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore
> Beaudoin) wrote:
>
>> Bill Shroyer (BillS...@Pittsburgh.com) writes:
> <snip "human chimerism">
>
>> Hm...Sounds like one opf those farfetched explanations they coudl come up
>> with if they had done a goof with dna testing and id, to not gt their lab
>> closed down.
>
> LoL! :-) I know what you mean, though it is a conclusively
> established phenomenon. If one lab made a claim like that for
> self-preservation, it would be easy enough for another lab to refute
> it.
Not so sure about that: we saw what happened when human cloning was
declared feasable according to some uni lab in sme Asian country: they had
main pages in famous science magazines, and summities woudl attest to the
fact and call it established, etc. It went on for over a year before
smeone who was in the scientific publishing industry started doubting what
he read and started asking questions,where more then asked questions. Many
scientists had agreed with the findings of the article and declared it
established, yadee yada.
The thing is, for oen lab to ccuse another, they gotta be sure their own
hands are pure and clean. It is a contemporary holy grail where only pure
minds could touch that. And since all labs pry and make up numbers to
compete with the next one that does, then they don't dare say a word
either.
Science it ain't no more like it used to be, paw!;-)
>
>> But yeah, more and more doubts are raised about dna, mainly because often
>> the tests give wrogn results, simply.
Therefore why not come up with a few theories to lose people and
cponfuseTHEM so ''we'' don't look like the confused and confounded
ones.
Istill wonder if that thing I read on a website, made for blood types, was
done by a parent not wantign to tell their child they were adopted...
>> >> This thing about one supposed twin absorbing the other....
>
> Sometimes siamese twins are the result of this process. No relevance,
> just an interesting fact I thought I'd throw in free of charge. ;-)
Oh it was soemthign everyone sort of knew, if they did not use Ôeating the
other''. Rather they talked about dislodging or the other just seeming to
disintegrate. In my family, ther were twins. Even related to the Dionne
quints. On both my mom's side and dad's side, there are twins.
Ad we also heard about ho soemtimes a pregnancy lasts longer than usual
becauee the said ''twins'' were not cnceived at a same time, inf act. The
family suspects it was my case, icne I carried ''my son'' for 10.5 months.
My own dad was born after his mom carried him 11 months minus ne day. We
on one hand think that some females in the lineage carry children longer,
simply, OR that they sometimes expect twins and lose one without anything
showing so. Thelatter was a theory that my dr considered. Apparentl, the
second child conceived for some reason tends to dislodge the first.
Which would explain why the said pregancy lasts longer. One of my sisters
was also born after 10 months and some time of pregnancy. A few of the
sibblings were late that way, others came on term or a lil 2 weeks ahead
of time, i.e. normal average time.
From there, why not, a blood tye changing during the embryo's development.
Could be. Could be by a fusion of cells with another cell, be it that of a
twin or one of his own....Maybe from some inherited blood type that
sklipped a few generation and suddenly takes over for some reason.
Just take dominant and recessive traits: my son was born to me who had
blue-grey-green eyes (they change color), and a dad with brown eyes. Wen
he wa born, his eyes were blue. Navy blue. Normal: in North America,
babies orn with blue eyes that ahve a parent withdominant brown usually
change eye color to brown, if born with blue eyes. But in kiddo,s case,
the blue eyes remained for 4 years, the third seing them gardually become
entirely black. So balck, there was no difference with the iris and the
pupil. Like huge black marbles. Was stunning sicne he then had such blond
hair it was literally white-blond. Then at his age 4, over that year, the
black veeeerrrry slowly turned to brown. Light brown. Which they stayed since.
His dad had brown hair, but he inherited my supposed recessive har color,
in a more male shade, say. His turn o a bit darker blond to brown, with
blonder reflections at times and redreflections at other times.
So even in dominant and recessive genes, nothign is so clear cut as they
say in science. Just in families where there were so many kids, not so
long ago, one coudl see that wthout even having any knowledge fo science
existing:).
In my family, it ranges from whitish blond to dark borwn, passing by red
and auburn, too. And from curled (tight curls as in afro culrs, even, in
oen fo my brohers, who hates it:)), to waves, to loose big curls to
straight as hay wire. Both my parents havehad see through blue eyes. Sky
blue. None of us inherited exactly tha, We all range from grey with some
fainted blue in it to solid green. The oldest havign the bluest eyes, and
the younger brother solid green.
>
>> In miscarraiages, in a high percentage, it is usually boys that die/stop
>> developping. Apparently the big reason woudl be ebcause their brain and
>> gender forms in the same motnh, while the female embryo ''stays
>> female''-no big sex change there.
>
> Yup - we all start out as females, essentially, and some either change
> into males or they don't. The really interesting ones to me are those
> who are genetically male, but came out anatomically female. They tend
> to be some of the most beautiful women in the world, and most never
> even realize that they're genetically male until they find themselves
> unable to conceive.
And what of the complete mix where some can conseive, having both genders?
Apparently, in 4% of births, soemthign of both gender is visible. Imagien
with the parts unseen, then...?
>
>> Of course from there, one -me- coudl claim that that explains why men
>> soemtimes think with the wrong head: sleftovers from the big confusion in
>> their third to fourth month of embryotic development:):)
>>
>> (Ducks:))
>
> <quack> ;-)
(throws bread crumbs, and gets the axe sharpened, hehehe:))
Salamander
> Not so sure about that: we saw what happened when human cloning was
> declared feasable according to some uni lab in sme Asian country: they had
> main pages in famous science magazines, and summities woudl attest to the
> fact and call it established, etc. It went on for over a year before
> smeone who was in the scientific publishing industry started doubting what
> he read and started asking questions,where more then asked questions. Many
> scientists had agreed with the findings of the article and declared it
> established, yadee yada.
I'm not so sure about that, I don't think it was anywhere close to a
year before people within the scientific community were raising concerns
over the validity of those claims in regards to cloning stem cells.
There is a thing within the scientific community called "peer review".
Generally when someone makes a valid scientific discovery they publish
their results in science journals which gives the science community the
chance to scrutinise the work and raise any objections to the
methodology, the mathematics or whatever else they feel might be wrong.
It is considered highly suspicious if someone goes first to the media
with a sensational claim rather than first publishing in a scientific
journal. The Asian scientist making those claims did just that... he
went straight to the media without making his work available for review.
This pretty much marked him as suspicious from the very start.
Unfortunately the media took the story and ran with it and didn't really
bother to report the concerns raised over his authenticity until much
later. Sensational stories sell newspapers after all.
Eleonore Beaudoin
I saw a dcumentary a while ago on that particular case, and how other
scientists were in fact writing in admiration, gbbling it without checking
at all.
Actually even the poeple working at that lab talked abut hwo they believed
all he did for the ''longest time'' before some of them had doubts...but
chased them away trusting it could not be such a brain woudl be cheating....
One of them though tried to blow the whistle and was dismissed....
I do not remember the particulars of it more than that, save that mnay had
gone on writing about hissuccess with this as if they believed it too, and
for a long time (I think it was close to a year, if not a year and a half
before it finally started to fall at the seams)....
To get funding, scientists can do many things...Just like many
whatever-the-career.